Just looking for a patch job so it's at least presentable and last maybe a
year. I'm sure the right way is to dig up entire sections, new pack, etc.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=24mbwqb&s=5
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=11rzrc4&s=5

Have no real knowledge of concrete/driveway work. Thoughts are to cut out
bad hole area with maybe a rental tool, dig out some whatever is there,
toss in some stone, put in some concrete or something, hope.

Been sortta keeping an eye out for someone having driveway work done to hit
em up for a side job but no luck yet.

Anyone wanna toss out some hack attacks?

Red...

In article ,
Red Green wrote:

Just looking for a patch job so it's at least presentable and last maybe a
year. I'm sure the right way is to dig up entire sections, new pack, etc.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=24mbwqb&s=5
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=11rzrc4&s=5

Have no real knowledge of concrete/driveway work. Thoughts are to cut out
bad hole area with maybe a rental tool, dig out some whatever is there,
toss in some stone, put in some concrete or something, hope.

Been sortta keeping an eye out for someone having driveway work done to hit
em up for a side job but no luck yet.

Anyone wanna toss out some hack attacks?

Red...

Pics didn't load for me. But since you recently admonished the sliding
glass door fellow for being lazy about DIY, I'm surprised you're looking
for a 1-year solution. Follow your own advice and do it right the first
time.

On Apr 7, 8:12*am, Red Green wrote:
Just looking for a patch job so it's at least presentable and last maybe a
year. I'm sure the right way is to dig up entire sections, new pack, etc.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=24mb...ic=11rzrc4&s=5

Have no real knowledge of concrete/driveway work. Thoughts are to cut out
bad hole area with maybe a rental tool, dig out some whatever is there,
toss in some stone, put in some concrete or something, hope.

Been sortta keeping an eye out for someone having driveway work done to hit
em up for a side job but no luck yet.

Anyone wanna toss out some hack attacks?

Red...

Chisel or jackammer out the bad section. Google concrete repair. Buy
some good concrete tools. It doesn't look like a big job, and it'll
last longer than a year. Keep it covered with plastic for a while
when you're done to keep it wet.

mike wrote:

On Apr 7, 8:12Â*am, Red Green wrote:
Just looking for a patch job so it's at least presentable and last maybe
a year. I'm sure the right way is to dig up entire sections, new pack,
etc.


http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=24mb...ic=11rzrc4&s=5

Have no real knowledge of concrete/driveway work. Thoughts are to cut out
bad hole area with maybe a rental tool, dig out some whatever is there,
toss in some stone, put in some concrete or something, hope.

Been sortta keeping an eye out for someone having driveway work done to
hit em up for a side job but no luck yet.

Anyone wanna toss out some hack attacks?

Red...

Chisel or jackammer out the bad section. Google concrete repair. Buy
some good concrete tools. It doesn't look like a big job, and it'll
last longer than a year. Keep it covered with plastic for a while
when you're done to keep it wet.

That looks bad to me. I'd wait till you had the money and replace the whole
thing. Looks old and crack in other areas. Patching concrete never works
and looks like crap. Make sure new driveway has plenty of expansion joints
so the crack shows up in the joint not in the middle of the slab.

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On Apr 7, 11:12*am, Red Green wrote:
Just looking for a patch job so it's at least presentable and last maybe a
year. I'm sure the right way is to dig up entire sections, new pack, etc.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=24mb...ic=11rzrc4&s=5

Have no real knowledge of concrete/driveway work. Thoughts are to cut out
bad hole area with maybe a rental tool, dig out some whatever is there,
toss in some stone, put in some concrete or something, hope.

Been sortta keeping an eye out for someone having driveway work done to hit
em up for a side job but no luck yet.

Anyone wanna toss out some hack attacks?

Red...

I tried patching a hole like that and it heaved up the next winter.

Any chance you live in NC, I think I know that driveway.

This isnt a good time of the year to do concrete work I would wait a
few weeks for things to warm up a bit.

Jimmie

I think you would be better off just replacing the entire driveway. If you
wanted to save some money, you could rent a jack hammer and take the old
driveway out yourself.

Any patch is going to look like a patch.

On Apr 7, 10:07*am, JIMMIE wrote:

I tried patching a hole like that and it heaved up the next winter.


That's why you need to chisel the edge so that the bottom of your hole
is larger than the top.

On Apr 7, 1:25*pm, mike wrote:
On Apr 7, 10:07*am, JIMMIE wrote:

I tried patching a hole like that and it heaved up the next winter.

That's why you need to chisel the edge so that the bottom of your hole
is larger than the top.

That crack down the middle could be a tripping hazard. I think you
should try to grind down the high side edge and clean out the crack
and caulk it. The big hole in the center needs to be pulled out and
replaced with stone and at least 4" of concrete

Smitty Two wrote in
news
In article ,
Red Green wrote:

Just looking for a patch job so it's at least presentable and last
maybe a year. I'm sure the right way is to dig up entire sections,
new pack, etc.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=24mbwqb&s=5
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=11rzrc4&s=5

Have no real knowledge of concrete/driveway work. Thoughts are to cut
out bad hole area with maybe a rental tool, dig out some whatever is
there, toss in some stone, put in some concrete or something, hope.

Been sortta keeping an eye out for someone having driveway work done
to hit em up for a side job but no luck yet.

Anyone wanna toss out some hack attacks?

Red...

Pics didn't load for me. But since you recently admonished the sliding
glass door fellow for being lazy about DIY, I'm surprised you're
looking for a 1-year solution. Follow your own advice and do it right
the first time.

Ouch Smitty! :-) ...sigh deserved.

We are talking significant bucks vs not extensive labor of cleaning
track, parts and maybe a few misc parts though.

I think that if this was my driveway I might hire one of those guys with the
big wet saws to cut out the bad spot and perhaps a couple of strips in the
old work to remove the worst of the cracking and make the patch look less
like a patch and more like a geometric design.

Then you can compact the substrate and pour inserts (with expansion joints
between). The whole shooting match can then be painted or sand blasted to
obtain a more uniform look.


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2] Position on the food chain.




"Red Green" wrote in message
...
Just looking for a patch job so it's at least presentable and last maybe a
year. I'm sure the right way is to dig up entire sections, new pack, etc.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=24mbwqb&s=5
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=11rzrc4&s=5

Have no real knowledge of concrete/driveway work. Thoughts are to cut out
bad hole area with maybe a rental tool, dig out some whatever is there,
toss in some stone, put in some concrete or something, hope.

Been sortta keeping an eye out for someone having driveway work done to
hit
em up for a side job but no luck yet.

Anyone wanna toss out some hack attacks?

Red...

JIMMIE wrote in
:

On Apr 7, 11:12*am, Red Green wrote:
Just looking for a patch job so it's at least presentable and last
maybe
a
year. I'm sure the right way is to dig up entire sections, new pack,
etc.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=24mb...ic.com/view.ph
p?pic=11rzrc4&s=5

Have no real knowledge of concrete/driveway work. Thoughts are to cut
out bad hole area with maybe a rental tool, dig out some whatever is
there, toss in some stone, put in some concrete or something, hope.

Been sortta keeping an eye out for someone having driveway work done
to h
it
em up for a side job but no luck yet.

Anyone wanna toss out some hack attacks?

Red...

I tried patching a hole like that and it heaved up the next winter.

Any chance you live in NC, I think I know that driveway.

Yep, FAY. Still ringing a bell? If so, where do you know it from?


This isnt a good time of the year to do concrete work I would wait a
few weeks for things to warm up a bit.

Jimmie

tmurf1 wrote:

On Apr 7, 1:25Â*pm, mike wrote:
On Apr 7, 10:07Â*am, JIMMIE wrote:

I tried patching a hole like that and it heaved up the next winter.

That's why you need to chisel the edge so that the bottom of your hole
is larger than the top.

That crack down the middle could be a tripping hazard. I think you
should try to grind down the high side edge and clean out the crack
and caulk it. The big hole in the center needs to be pulled out and
replaced with stone and at least 4" of concrete

Geeeez the whole damn thing is a mess. I wouldn't even bother unless you're
planning on replacing the whole thing. You're talking concrete saws, jack
hammer and compactor and that's just to prepare it. Get a bobcat in there
and tear up the whole thing and pour a new driveway. I day and it's done.
Get some damn estimates all it takes is a phone call!!!

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but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
Website Address http://rentmyhusband.biz/

"Roger Shoaf" wrote:

I think that if this was my driveway I might hire one of those guys with the
big wet saws to cut out the bad spot and perhaps a couple of strips in the
old work to remove the worst of the cracking and make the patch look less
like a patch and more like a geometric design.

Then you can compact the substrate and pour inserts (with expansion joints
between). The whole shooting match can then be painted or sand blasted to
obtain a more uniform look.

I think you'd find that the labor to do that will come close to or equal the
cost of hammering out the old drive and completely replacing it.

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
Just looking for a patch job so it's at least presentable and last maybe a
year. I'm sure the right way is to dig up entire sections, new pack, etc.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=24mbwqb&s=5
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=11rzrc4&s=5

Have no real knowledge of concrete/driveway work. Thoughts are to cut out
bad hole area with maybe a rental tool, dig out some whatever is there,
toss in some stone, put in some concrete or something, hope.

Been sortta keeping an eye out for someone having driveway work done to
hit
em up for a side job but no luck yet.

Anyone wanna toss out some hack attacks?


*I'm wondering what kind of base there is? From those holes it looks as
though there is just dirt. That may explain why the driveway has come to
this. I think you are better off waiting until you can do it right. Why
waste time and money on a crummy patch job. Maybe you can get someone to
come in with a big wet saw and cut it up into manageable pieces and then
remove them one at a time.

In article , evodawg wrote:

Geeeez the whole damn thing is a mess. I wouldn't even bother unless you're
planning on replacing the whole thing. You're talking concrete saws, jack
hammer and compactor and that's just to prepare it. Get a bobcat in there
and tear up the whole thing and pour a new driveway. I day and it's done.
Get some damn estimates all it takes is a phone call!!!

I agree. This is beyond a patch job. If you're planning on staying
in the house for a while, might as well enjoy a new driveway.
If you're planning on selling, the patch will stick out like a
sore thumb. It'll be easer to sell with a nice new drive.

Get some estimates.

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My hack attack idea would be to knock out the bad hole area as you said,
clean out the whole, mix and pour in some concrete, and smooth it out. I
wouldn't bother with any rental equipment for such a small area that is
already broken up. A sledge hammer and a crowbar will do it easily. You
could try some cement crack patcher/filler to fill and level out the long
cracks if you want.

Can you have an asphalt driveway put in where you are? I am not sure how
big your driveway is, but it doesn't look to be too big. I had an approx.
900 square foot driveway removed and replaced with ashphalt about 2 years
ago for $2,800. I got a few estimates and they all came in at almost
exactly the same price except for one that was 50% higher. All of the
estimates included removing the old driveway, adding some modified stone to
the existing base and digging out and adding a new base of modified stone
for part of the driveway that was being widened, compacting the modified
stone, adding a 1 1/2 to 2 inch coat of ID2 asphalt as a stabilizing layer,
rolling and compacting that layer, adding a finish coat of ID2 asphalt on
top of that, and rolling and compacting that. No deposit up front. They
did it all in one day and I paid them at the end of the day when it was
done. While there, 3 other people on my street asked the same guy to do
theirs and he did them all (including mine) over a 2-3 day period while he
had all of his equipment there. It looks excellent two years later.

To get the estimates, I made a list of asphalt contractors and called about
10 of them. I left a message describing what I wanted done and I gave them
the address. Many never called back. 3 or 4 did. One gave a price over
the phone based on the dimensions. 3 others looked at it and gave me an
estimate. It's an outside job so you don't have to be there for them to go
out and look at it and give you an estimate.

Red Green wrote:
Just looking for a patch job so it's at least presentable and last
maybe a year. I'm sure the right way is to dig up entire sections,
new pack, etc.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=24mbwqb&s=5
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=11rzrc4&s=5

Have no real knowledge of concrete/driveway work. Thoughts are to cut
out bad hole area with maybe a rental tool, dig out some whatever is
there, toss in some stone, put in some concrete or something, hope.

Been sortta keeping an eye out for someone having driveway work done
to hit em up for a side job but no luck yet.

Anyone wanna toss out some hack attacks?

Red...

On Apr 7, 12:24*pm, (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:
In article , evodawg wrote:
Geeeez the whole damn thing is a mess. I wouldn't even bother unless you're
planning on replacing the whole thing. You're talking concrete saws, jack
hammer and compactor and that's just to prepare it. Get a bobcat in there
and tear up the whole thing and pour a new driveway. I day and it's done..
Get some damn estimates all it takes is a phone call!!!

I agree. This is beyond a patch job.

This isn't the facade of a building or a kitchen countertop. It's
just a damned driveway. If it's functional and looks a little worn, I
wouldn't mind saving thousands of dollars that can be put to much
better use.

I-5 has worse patches where I live. )

mike wrote in
:

On Apr 7, 12:24*pm, (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:
In article , evodawg

m wrote:
Geeeez the whole damn thing is a mess. I wouldn't even bother unless
you
're
planning on replacing the whole thing. You're talking concrete saws,
jac
k
hammer and compactor and that's just to prepare it. Get a bobcat in
ther
e
and tear up the whole thing and pour a new driveway. I day and it's
done
.
Get some damn estimates all it takes is a phone call!!!

I agree. This is beyond a patch job.

This isn't the facade of a building or a kitchen countertop. It's
just a damned driveway. If it's functional and looks a little worn, I
wouldn't mind saving thousands of dollars that can be put to much
better use.

I-5 has worse patches where I live. )


On some of the bridges in NYC, at one time there was a news spot where they
showed from the roadway where you could see the Hudson & East River through
holes! At least you could see rebar where there was missing concrete:-)

Yea it's functional and not getting worse by the month. I don't plan to be
here that much longer and could beef up a lot of other stuff for the bucks.
The pics isolate the bad part and I agree, looks nasty. Just wanna
"soften" things up. Those two sections showing represent like 1/3 the
length of which the rest is decent, not perfect but acceptable. There's
also a 20x24 carport with smoothed concrete that has flaws at all.

On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:24:27 GMT, (Malcolm Hoar)
wrote:

In article , evodawg wrote:

Geeeez the whole damn thing is a mess. I wouldn't even bother unless you're
planning on replacing the whole thing. You're talking concrete saws, jack
hammer and compactor and that's just to prepare it. Get a bobcat in there
and tear up the whole thing and pour a new driveway. I day and it's done.
Get some damn estimates all it takes is a phone call!!!

I agree. This is beyond a patch job. If you're planning on staying
in the house for a while, might as well enjoy a new driveway.
If you're planning on selling, the patch will stick out like a
sore thumb. It'll be easer to sell with a nice new drive.

Get some estimates.

I see local ads, for 8x20 4" patio pad -- complete for $800.00. People
need work and a new driveway may be real cheap right now.

Construction here hit a wall. It's a good time to have work done...

mike wrote:

This isn't the facade of a building or a kitchen countertop. It's
just a damned driveway. If it's functional and looks a little worn, I
wouldn't mind saving thousands of dollars that can be put to much
better use.

Presumably the OP is planning on selling the property in the next year or so.
The problem is that first impressions are critical in the current real state
market and a crap driveway will send a significant percentage of potential
buyers on to the next house. It's not like they don't have lots to choose from.

It would actually be better to replace the drive now rather than next year as it
will give the vegetation time to grow back and look a little less raw.

"BetaB4" wrote in message
...
My hack attack idea would be to knock out the bad hole area as you said,
clean out the whole, mix and pour in some concrete, and smooth it out. I
wouldn't bother with any rental equipment for such a small area that is
already broken up. A sledge hammer and a crowbar will do it easily. You
could try some cement crack patcher/filler to fill and level out the long
cracks if you want.


That is what I'd do. No matter how you do the patch, it is going to look
patched, the only clean spot. If it does not lift out by hand, leave it
alone and patch with a couple of bags of Sakcrete. You should get a year or
more out of that.

On Apr 7, 10:12�am, Red Green wrote:
Just looking for a patch job so it's at least presentable and last maybe a
year. I'm sure the right way is to dig up entire sections, new pack, etc.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=24mb...ic=11rzrc4&s=5

Have no real knowledge of concrete/driveway work. Thoughts are to cut out
bad hole area with maybe a rental tool, dig out some whatever is there,
toss in some stone, put in some concrete or something, hope.

Been sortta keeping an eye out for someone having driveway work done to hit
em up for a side job but no luck yet.

Anyone wanna toss out some hack attacks?

Red...

I would probably want a new driveway. It looks like the rest is
pitted as well, which means you will never really get a match with a
patch job. You could powerwash to help the colors come closer, but
the pitted areas will pick up dirt more quickly.

That being said, I suppose a decent patch would be to remove all of
the loose pieces and undercut the edges to prevent heaving as best you
can (which may not be much). A layer of stone, 4" of concrete, and
broom finish it. Then I would address the crack as a possible
tripping hazard.Since you probably aren't going to slabjack that,
maybe a sloping patch. Once that is all completed, a pewter or gray
concrete stain (after sufficient curing time, which is months to a
year, I believe) may make the whole area look a little more uniform. I
saw that paint was suggested, but it might be better to use a stain
which doesn't reduce traction.

" wrote in
:

On Apr 7, 10:12�am, Red Green wrote:
Just looking for a patch job so it's at least presentable and last
maybe
a
year. I'm sure the right way is to dig up entire sections, new pack,
etc.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=24mb...ic.com/view.ph
p?pic=11rzrc4&s=5

Have no real knowledge of concrete/driveway work. Thoughts are to cut
out bad hole area with maybe a rental tool, dig out some whatever is
there, toss in some stone, put in some concrete or something, hope.

Been sortta keeping an eye out for someone having driveway work done
to h
it
em up for a side job but no luck yet.

Anyone wanna toss out some hack attacks?

Red...

I would probably want a new driveway. It looks like the rest is
pitted as well, which means you will never really get a match with a
patch job. You could powerwash to help the colors come closer, but
the pitted areas will pick up dirt more quickly.

That being said, I suppose a decent patch would be to remove all of
the loose pieces and undercut the edges to prevent heaving as best you
can (which may not be much). A layer of stone, 4" of concrete, and
broom finish it. Then I would address the crack as a possible
tripping hazard.Since you probably aren't going to slabjack that,
maybe a sloping patch. Once that is all completed, a pewter or gray
concrete stain (after sufficient curing time, which is months to a
year, I believe) may make the whole area look a little more uniform. I
saw that paint was suggested, but it might be better to use a stain
which doesn't reduce traction.




I would probably want a new driveway.

Yea me too! I don't disagree with any of the critics I set myself up for
here.

Trouble is this particular place is an old (30+ yrs) starter home 1200sf
that will probably sell for around 80K. It was a trashed forclosed home
bought cheap, but unfortunately, before the **** hit the fan last fall or
it would have been a lot cheaper even. Many bucks put into it to get the
inside and outside in well above condition of comps, including both heat
and AC system. So, a few more K can cut in percentage-wise.

I realize I may just have to eat this. Heck, some of these people in
parts of the country have been screwed 100k+ just doing their everyday
living thing. Some deserve it for being fools and some are victims of the
acts of the fools.

No one denies it's a buyers mkt but less so here. Being in a military
town many homes are VA. The VA never allowed home prices to skyrocket
like in many areas. The rest of the work done on this place, the exterior
and interior daily living space, is very nicely done. No hacks or
patches. New stuff from the HVAC to countertops to flooring to lighting.

Yea I suspect these "buyer's market" people would try for new driveway
and new windows and new roof just since it's dirty and 'someday' it'll
need replacing...and whatever else they can get out of any seller.

**** happens - good ****, bad ****...but **** always happens.

Red...

Since you don't plan to be there too much longer, if you are not going to be
moving too far way, the property sounds like it may be a good one to keep as
an investment and rent out. You said you are near a military area, so maybe
it would be a good rental for a military family.

Either way, doing the patch should be quick, easy, very inexpensive, and
maybe fun to do. You could always try that for now and decide later if you
want to do anything more.

Red Green wrote:

Trouble is this particular place is an old (30+ yrs) starter home
1200sf that will probably sell for around 80K. It was a trashed
forclosed home bought cheap, but unfortunately, before the **** hit
the fan last fall or it would have been a lot cheaper even. Many
bucks put into it to get the inside and outside in well above
condition of comps, including both heat and AC system. So, a few more
K can cut in percentage-wise.

I realize I may just have to eat this. Heck, some of these people in
parts of the country have been screwed 100k+ just doing their everyday
living thing. Some deserve it for being fools and some are victims of
the acts of the fools.

No one denies it's a buyers mkt but less so here. Being in a military
town many homes are VA. The VA never allowed home prices to skyrocket
like in many areas. The rest of the work done on this place, the
exterior and interior daily living space, is very nicely done. No
hacks or patches. New stuff from the HVAC to countertops to flooring
to lighting.

Yea I suspect these "buyer's market" people would try for new driveway
and new windows and new roof just since it's dirty and 'someday' it'll
need replacing...and whatever else they can get out of any seller.

**** happens - good ****, bad ****...but **** always happens.

Red...

"BetaB4" wrote in
:

Since you don't plan to be there too much longer, if you are not going
to be moving too far way, the property sounds like it may be a good
one to keep as an investment and rent out. You said you are near a
military area, so maybe it would be a good rental for a military
family.

Either way, doing the patch should be quick, easy, very inexpensive,
and maybe fun to do. You could always try that for now and decide
later if you want to do anything more.

Red Green wrote:

Trouble is this particular place is an old (30+ yrs) starter home
1200sf that will probably sell for around 80K. It was a trashed
forclosed home bought cheap, but unfortunately, before the **** hit
the fan last fall or it would have been a lot cheaper even. Many
bucks put into it to get the inside and outside in well above
condition of comps, including both heat and AC system. So, a few more
K can cut in percentage-wise.

I realize I may just have to eat this. Heck, some of these people in
parts of the country have been screwed 100k+ just doing their
everyday living thing. Some deserve it for being fools and some are
victims of the acts of the fools.

No one denies it's a buyers mkt but less so here. Being in a military
town many homes are VA. The VA never allowed home prices to skyrocket
like in many areas. The rest of the work done on this place, the
exterior and interior daily living space, is very nicely done. No
hacks or patches. New stuff from the HVAC to countertops to flooring
to lighting.

Yea I suspect these "buyer's market" people would try for new
driveway and new windows and new roof just since it's dirty and
'someday' it'll need replacing...and whatever else they can get out
of any seller.

**** happens - good ****, bad ****...but **** always happens.

Red...




Thanks for the comments.

Yea could easily rent it. Based on what I've seen, high probability it
would get trashed. Also, it would be the only rental I would have. All
eggs in one basket is a big no-no. No other good/successful ones to
offset things. Cost of it getting trashed and maybe more so the cost of a
non-payment renter - loss of income as well as cost of legal fees to
evict. Once they know they are getting evicted they go into turbo-trash
mode. Just the way it is here. In other areas the loss would most likely
be limited to booting for non-payment. And with the way people, good
people, are losing jobs these days, it's often not the renters choice.