On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 08:36:27 -0400, PeterD wrote:

On 9/9/2011 10:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:55:49 -0400,
wrote:

James, while the other replies have merit and should be considered, I have
used two plastic 55 gal. drums for hauling K1 oil for several years now.
I haul them on a small 4 x 6 trailer, and use a small 12volt pump
designed to handle fuels, which runs off my car battery, using extended
jumper cables. If you care to send me your email offline, I can send you
some pictures !!

The best place to get these 55 gal containers is at restaurants. All kinds
of liquids are shipped in them, things like orange juice concentrate, other
juices, etc. Call (or better yet, visit) some restaurants, and if you
find a friendly owner or manager, you might pick up several for free.

By all means, do take care, and follow all safety norms and laws.

James

Carrying fuel on the road in non-approved portable containers is
illegal. Storing it in non-approved containers is unwize at best.
Approved portable Gasoline containers MUST be red.
Approved portable Kerosene containers are generally Yellow or orange.

Gasoline - red
Gasoline - green (typically Europe)
Diesel - yellow
Kerosene - blue
water - tan or gray

kerosene is never yellow or orange that I know of.
Kero can be legally carried in a yellow (diesel) container. This is
because the two are so similar as to be safely interchanged. (in most
cases) In North America, BLUE is also water - which makes using blue
for Kerosene a problem.

On 9/10/2011 8:44 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 08:36:27 -0400, wrote:

On 9/9/2011 10:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:55:49 -0400,
wrote:

James, while the other replies have merit and should be considered, I have
used two plastic 55 gal. drums for hauling K1 oil for several years now.
I haul them on a small 4 x 6 trailer, and use a small 12volt pump
designed to handle fuels, which runs off my car battery, using extended
jumper cables. If you care to send me your email offline, I can send you
some pictures !!

The best place to get these 55 gal containers is at restaurants. All kinds
of liquids are shipped in them, things like orange juice concentrate, other
juices, etc. Call (or better yet, visit) some restaurants, and if you
find a friendly owner or manager, you might pick up several for free.

By all means, do take care, and follow all safety norms and laws.

James

Carrying fuel on the road in non-approved portable containers is
illegal. Storing it in non-approved containers is unwize at best.
Approved portable Gasoline containers MUST be red.
Approved portable Kerosene containers are generally Yellow or orange.

Gasoline - red
Gasoline - green (typically Europe)
Diesel - yellow
Kerosene - blue
water - tan or gray

kerosene is never yellow or orange that I know of.
Kero can be legally carried in a yellow (diesel) container. This is
because the two are so similar as to be safely interchanged. (in most
cases) In North America, BLUE is also water - which makes using blue
for Kerosene a problem.

After the last 4-day power outage, I've been looking off and on for some
semi-potable water rated jerry cans, to store 20 or 30 gallons in
basement to bathe and flush toilets with. (I'm on a well, so no power,
no water, once the itty-bitty tank goes flat, which doesn't take long.)
I probably wouldn't drink stored water, but wanted something cleaner
than the water I harvested from the plugged-up gutters last time.

Anyway, nobody has cans around here that don't have Kerosene or Gasoline
or whatever, molded right into the side. Plus, they want an insane price
for them, since they all have to be certified as self-venting, yada yada
yada. Getting tempted to steal some 5-gallon jugs from the water-cooler
guy's cart at work, but finding or making tight lids for those is
problematical.

(Yes, I know I need a generator, but to do even a minimalist setup for
this house would cost close to a grand, and there is a lot of stuff
higher on the list.)

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aemeijers wrote:

After the last 4-day power outage, I've been looking off and on for some
semi-potable water rated jerry cans, to store 20 or 30 gallons in
basement to bathe and flush toilets with.

We keep a 50 gallon tank in the garage. Screwed a valve in the bottom for
filling smaller containers.

http://www.tank-depot.com/productdet...t=CRMI-50VTFWG

On 9/10/2011 11:58 PM, Robert Neville wrote:
wrote:

After the last 4-day power outage, I've been looking off and on for some
semi-potable water rated jerry cans, to store 20 or 30 gallons in
basement to bathe and flush toilets with.

We keep a 50 gallon tank in the garage. Screwed a valve in the bottom for
filling smaller containers.

http://www.tank-depot.com/productdet...t=CRMI-50VTFWG


That is a possibility, I guess, but I would have to rig a stand in the
basement, and a way to fill it. (Maybe a tee on cold side of washer fill
hose?) No room in my garage, and while my garage seldom freezes hard
(since so much heat leaks from house and hot engine blocks), it does
sometimes freeze hard enough that the water bottles in the cars get
frozen. No way could I get that down my basement stairs if it was full.
I was looking for portable cans, since I know I can carry five gallons
at a time, and could use one container at a time carried upstairs to
bathroom, and pour directly into toilet or stoppered sink as needed. But
I may have to be more flexible in my plans.

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On 09/11/2011 05:40 AM, aemeijers wrote:
On 9/10/2011 11:58 PM, Robert Neville wrote:
wrote:

After the last 4-day power outage, I've been looking off and on for some
semi-potable water rated jerry cans, to store 20 or 30 gallons in
basement to bathe and flush toilets with.

We keep a 50 gallon tank in the garage. Screwed a valve in the bottom for
filling smaller containers.

http://www.tank-depot.com/productdet...t=CRMI-50VTFWG


That is a possibility, I guess, but I would have to rig a stand in the
basement, and a way to fill it. (Maybe a tee on cold side of washer fill
hose?) No room in my garage, and while my garage seldom freezes hard
(since so much heat leaks from house and hot engine blocks), it does
sometimes freeze hard enough that the water bottles in the cars get
frozen. No way could I get that down my basement stairs if it was full.
I was looking for portable cans, since I know I can carry five gallons
at a time, and could use one container at a time carried upstairs to
bathroom, and pour directly into toilet or stoppered sink as needed. But
I may have to be more flexible in my plans.


Alternate idea - at my last house the PO's had above ground cisterns on
each of the two downspouts. could you divert rain water into something?
NB: you need good, sealed screens on them or they will turn into a
breeding ground for mosquitoes, and also tree leaves etc. will get in
and steep and turn the water nasty. I don't know that I would drink
rainwater either, although obviously if it is the only thing available...

The primary purpose of those cisterns was to provide water for gardens
in dry periods and also provide water for washing cars etc. but I don't
see why you couldn't use them to fill a bucket to flush a toilet...

nate

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On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 05:40:27 -0400, aemeijers
wrote:

On 9/10/2011 11:58 PM, Robert Neville wrote:
wrote:

After the last 4-day power outage, I've been looking off and on for some
semi-potable water rated jerry cans, to store 20 or 30 gallons in
basement to bathe and flush toilets with.

We keep a 50 gallon tank in the garage. Screwed a valve in the bottom for
filling smaller containers.

http://www.tank-depot.com/productdet...t=CRMI-50VTFWG


That is a possibility, I guess, but I would have to rig a stand in the
basement, and a way to fill it. (Maybe a tee on cold side of washer fill
hose?) No room in my garage, and while my garage seldom freezes hard
(since so much heat leaks from house and hot engine blocks), it does
sometimes freeze hard enough that the water bottles in the cars get
frozen. No way could I get that down my basement stairs if it was full.
I was looking for portable cans, since I know I can carry five gallons
at a time, and could use one container at a time carried upstairs to
bathroom, and pour directly into toilet or stoppered sink as needed. But
I may have to be more flexible in my plans.
If you are worried about having enough water in an emergency, install
a couple of old electric hot water heaters in the basement - hung from
the ceiling or on a strong rack would be best - and have all your
water go through them so the water is always "fresh". In case of a
power failure you could drain water from them. No vent required if you
just crack a tap open above it to let air in.

On 9/11/2011 5:18 PM, wrote:
(snip)
If you are worried about having enough water in an emergency, install
a couple of old electric hot water heaters in the basement - hung from
the ceiling or on a strong rack would be best - and have all your
water go through them so the water is always "fresh". In case of a
power failure you could drain water from them. No vent required if you
just crack a tap open above it to let air in.

Okay, McGyver. Somehow that doesn't sound real practical, or cheap. It
gets TOO nasty, I can just go to a hotel. Only problem with the Memorial
day storm was, the damage and outage was so widespread, there wasn't a
hotel room within 50 miles. I managed, but it wasn't pleasant. 20 or 30
gallons of stored water would have made it a lot easier. I was looking
for a cheap and painless way to do that. Like 4 or 5 5gallon plastic
jerry cans for less than 20 bucks each.

Like I said before, proper cure is to get somebody who knows local code
to come in and put half-a-dozen critical circuits on a transfer switch
for me, and buy a generator. If I can have furnace (and maybe AC),
water, and 2 or 3 outlets for fridge, computer, tv, reading lamp, etc, I
would be fine. But given how seldom I have extended outages (every
couple of years), the other stuff the place needs (like new siding) has
to be higher on the list.

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On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:41:48 -0400, aemeijers
wrote:

On 9/11/2011 5:18 PM, wrote:
(snip)
If you are worried about having enough water in an emergency, install
a couple of old electric hot water heaters in the basement - hung from
the ceiling or on a strong rack would be best - and have all your
water go through them so the water is always "fresh". In case of a
power failure you could drain water from them. No vent required if you
just crack a tap open above it to let air in.

Okay, McGyver. Somehow that doesn't sound real practical, or cheap. It
gets TOO nasty, I can just go to a hotel. Only problem with the Memorial
day storm was, the damage and outage was so widespread, there wasn't a
hotel room within 50 miles. I managed, but it wasn't pleasant. 20 or 30
gallons of stored water would have made it a lot easier. I was looking
for a cheap and painless way to do that. Like 4 or 5 5gallon plastic
jerry cans for less than 20 bucks each.

Go to the camping supply department at Walmart or whatever your
favourite local reseller is, and buy a couple of camping water totes.
Ours was blue - 5 US gallons, and had a tap on it and a little vent
plug that you needed to pull. Only problem is keeping the water FRESH.

You want simple, effective,AND cheap??? Pick 2 - you can't have all 3.

If I lived where power outages were anything close to common AND
depended on a well for water I WOULD have a buffer tank installed
in-line that would hold a goodly supply of "always fresh" water. A
"gravity tank" in the attic would make the some sense, as it would
allow water usage in a normal manner, through the regular taps.

When I was in Zambis ALL houses were fed from a "gravity tank" in the
attic - and the "geyser" didn't have (or need) a pressure relief
safety valve because the "gravity tank" was not under pressure.
Picture a big livestock watering trough with a float valve and a
snug-fitting but not air-tight lid. If (actually when) water service
was disrubted because the pump broke down at the main water works, you
didn't even know about it unless it was off for quite some time - and
they did not have a "water tower" to provide system pressure like most
cities here do.

Not advocating doing that here.

Like I said before, proper cure is to get somebody who knows local code
to come in and put half-a-dozen critical circuits on a transfer switch
for me, and buy a generator. If I can have furnace (and maybe AC),
water, and 2 or 3 outlets for fridge, computer, tv, reading lamp, etc, I
would be fine. But given how seldom I have extended outages (every
couple of years), the other stuff the place needs (like new siding) has
to be higher on the list.

On 9/11/2011 4:41 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:41:48 -0400,
wrote:

On 9/11/2011 5:18 PM, wrote:
(snip)
If you are worried about having enough water in an emergency, install
a couple of old electric hot water heaters in the basement - hung from
the ceiling or on a strong rack would be best - and have all your
water go through them so the water is always "fresh". In case of a
power failure you could drain water from them. No vent required if you
just crack a tap open above it to let air in.

Okay, McGyver. Somehow that doesn't sound real practical, or cheap. It
gets TOO nasty, I can just go to a hotel. Only problem with the Memorial
day storm was, the damage and outage was so widespread, there wasn't a
hotel room within 50 miles. I managed, but it wasn't pleasant. 20 or 30
gallons of stored water would have made it a lot easier. I was looking
for a cheap and painless way to do that. Like 4 or 5 5gallon plastic
jerry cans for less than 20 bucks each.

Go to the camping supply department at Walmart or whatever your
favourite local reseller is, and buy a couple of camping water totes.
Ours was blue - 5 US gallons, and had a tap on it and a little vent
plug that you needed to pull. Only problem is keeping the water FRESH.

they also have square 7 gallon blue water jugs there.

you can get 5 gallon water jugs like the water delivery trucks at
walmart or the stores that sell water for .25/gallon if they have them
in your area.

replying to James, Chris wrote:
I have plenty of empty plastic 55 gallon drums for sale and I can deliver 1 at
a time for 25 bucks. Call me or text 702-409-3193

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On Sunday, June 11, 2017 at 10:14:06 AM UTC-5, Chris wrote:
replying to James, Chris wrote:
I have plenty of empty plastic 55 gallon drums for sale and I can deliver 1 at
a time for 25 bucks. Call me or text 702-409-3193
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