Due to AC duct work and clearances, I am having to create a lower ceiling.

The joists are 100" from the floor. The previous owner had framed a ceiling
at 6'6" from the floor due to the need to route a large AC coil across that
room. I removed the low ceiling board and framing, and had someone redo the
AC coil a different shape and tuck it partly into the attic and was able to
reduce the protrusion all the way down to 92" from the floor, still 8" below
the original roof joists but that's the best I can do.

Now I need to frame in a new ceiling, I will mount to this a few lights and
a ceiling fan.

What is the best way to frame this ceiling? The room is 7'6" in width and I
have walls on both sides with studs 16" apart. I am thinking of using 2x4s
spaced 16" apart and attach them directly to the studs. I am not sure how
to make the attachment, was thinking of using some Simpson hangers but not
sure which one would work, however if I did, then when I mount the ceiling
sheet rock the edges will be wrapped in metal and I will have trouble
shooting drywall screws up.

Any ideas on what is the best way to frame this ceiling?

Thanks,

MC

On Feb 7, 6:30*pm, "MiamiCuse" wrote:
Due to AC duct work and clearances, I am having to create a lower ceiling..

The joists are 100" from the floor. *The previous owner had framed a ceiling
at 6'6" from the floor due to the need to route a large AC coil across that
room. *I removed the low ceiling board and framing, and had someone redo the
AC coil a different shape and tuck it partly into the attic and was able to
reduce the protrusion all the way down to 92" from the floor, still 8" below
the original roof joists but that's the best I can do.

Now I need to frame in a new ceiling, I will mount to this a few lights and
a ceiling fan.

What is the best way to frame this ceiling? *The room is 7'6" in width and I
have walls on both sides with studs 16" apart. *I am thinking of using 2x4s
spaced 16" apart and attach them directly to the studs. *I am not sure how
to make the attachment, was thinking of using some Simpson hangers but not
sure which one would work, however if I did, then when I mount the ceiling
sheet rock the edges will be wrapped in metal and I will have trouble
shooting drywall screws up.

Any ideas on what is the best way to frame this ceiling?

Thanks,

MC

MC-

How about running the 2x4 passed the face of the studs into the wall
cavity thus creating overlap for nailing?

Get out your framing gun & shoot a couple 16d shorts and you're done.


cheers
Bob

"BobK207" wrote in message
...
On Feb 7, 6:30 pm, "MiamiCuse" wrote:
Due to AC duct work and clearances, I am having to create a lower ceiling.

The joists are 100" from the floor. The previous owner had framed a
ceiling
at 6'6" from the floor due to the need to route a large AC coil across
that
room. I removed the low ceiling board and framing, and had someone redo
the
AC coil a different shape and tuck it partly into the attic and was able
to
reduce the protrusion all the way down to 92" from the floor, still 8"
below
the original roof joists but that's the best I can do.

Now I need to frame in a new ceiling, I will mount to this a few lights
and
a ceiling fan.

What is the best way to frame this ceiling? The room is 7'6" in width and
I
have walls on both sides with studs 16" apart. I am thinking of using 2x4s
spaced 16" apart and attach them directly to the studs. I am not sure how
to make the attachment, was thinking of using some Simpson hangers but not
sure which one would work, however if I did, then when I mount the ceiling
sheet rock the edges will be wrapped in metal and I will have trouble
shooting drywall screws up.

Any ideas on what is the best way to frame this ceiling?

Thanks,

MC

MC-

How about running the 2x4 passed the face of the studs into the wall
cavity thus creating overlap for nailing?

Get out your framing gun & shoot a couple 16d shorts and you're done.


cheers
Bob

Ditto what Bob suggested but I'd sister a 2X4 underneath the ceiling 2X4 to
beef up the wall stud..

benick wrote:

"BobK207" wrote in message
...
On Feb 7, 6:30 pm, "MiamiCuse" wrote:
Due to AC duct work and clearances, I am having to create a lower
ceiling.

The joists are 100" from the floor. The previous owner had framed a
ceiling
at 6'6" from the floor due to the need to route a large AC coil across
that
room. I removed the low ceiling board and framing, and had someone
redo the
AC coil a different shape and tuck it partly into the attic and was
able to
reduce the protrusion all the way down to 92" from the floor, still 8"
below
the original roof joists but that's the best I can do.

Now I need to frame in a new ceiling, I will mount to this a few
lights and
a ceiling fan.

What is the best way to frame this ceiling? The room is 7'6" in width
and I
have walls on both sides with studs 16" apart. I am thinking of using
2x4s
spaced 16" apart and attach them directly to the studs. I am not sure how
to make the attachment, was thinking of using some Simpson hangers but
not
sure which one would work, however if I did, then when I mount the
ceiling
sheet rock the edges will be wrapped in metal and I will have trouble
shooting drywall screws up.

Any ideas on what is the best way to frame this ceiling?

Thanks,

MC

MC-

How about running the 2x4 passed the face of the studs into the wall
cavity thus creating overlap for nailing?

Get out your framing gun & shoot a couple 16d shorts and you're done.


cheers
Bob

Ditto what Bob suggested but I'd sister a 2X4 underneath the ceiling 2X4
to beef up the wall stud..

Depending on area (and what floor this is) that may not meet fire code.
That would create a path from wall cavity to above the ceiling. May have
to add blocking in each stud bay, or something.

Hate to say it, but this sounds like a perfect application for a drop
ceiling, as much as I hate them. Especially true if OP ever wants access
to the HVAC stuff buried up there. If his heart is set on drywall, just
nail a horizontal 2x6 onto the face of the studs, and toenail the joists
for the faux ceiling into that. If room is that narrow, not a lot of
strength needed, since no load from above- it is just holding the
drywall/lights/fan. Probably still need blocking in the stud bays, or
rock on the wall in the dead space, though.

One of those situations that is hard to advise about without seeing it.

--
aem sends....

"aemeijers" wrote in message
...
benick wrote:

"BobK207" wrote in message
...
On Feb 7, 6:30 pm, "MiamiCuse" wrote:
Due to AC duct work and clearances, I am having to create a lower
ceiling.

The joists are 100" from the floor. The previous owner had framed a
ceiling
at 6'6" from the floor due to the need to route a large AC coil across
that
room. I removed the low ceiling board and framing, and had someone redo
the
AC coil a different shape and tuck it partly into the attic and was able
to
reduce the protrusion all the way down to 92" from the floor, still 8"
below
the original roof joists but that's the best I can do.

Now I need to frame in a new ceiling, I will mount to this a few lights
and
a ceiling fan.

What is the best way to frame this ceiling? The room is 7'6" in width
and I
have walls on both sides with studs 16" apart. I am thinking of using
2x4s
spaced 16" apart and attach them directly to the studs. I am not sure
how
to make the attachment, was thinking of using some Simpson hangers but
not
sure which one would work, however if I did, then when I mount the
ceiling
sheet rock the edges will be wrapped in metal and I will have trouble
shooting drywall screws up.

Any ideas on what is the best way to frame this ceiling?

Thanks,

MC

MC-

How about running the 2x4 passed the face of the studs into the wall
cavity thus creating overlap for nailing?

Get out your framing gun & shoot a couple 16d shorts and you're done.


cheers
Bob

Ditto what Bob suggested but I'd sister a 2X4 underneath the ceiling 2X4
to beef up the wall stud..

Depending on area (and what floor this is) that may not meet fire code.
That would create a path from wall cavity to above the ceiling. May have
to add blocking in each stud bay, or something.

Hate to say it, but this sounds like a perfect application for a drop
ceiling, as much as I hate them. Especially true if OP ever wants access
to the HVAC stuff buried up there. If his heart is set on drywall, just
nail a horizontal 2x6 onto the face of the studs, and toenail the joists
for the faux ceiling into that. If room is that narrow, not a lot of
strength needed, since no load from above- it is just holding the
drywall/lights/fan. Probably still need blocking in the stud bays, or rock
on the wall in the dead space, though.

One of those situations that is hard to advise about without seeing it.

--
aem sends....

That is a good point. I will keep that in mind and if there are any slivers
of space to cover that up.

Thanks,

MC

"BobK207" wrote in message
...
On Feb 7, 6:30 pm, "MiamiCuse" wrote:
Due to AC duct work and clearances, I am having to create a lower ceiling.

The joists are 100" from the floor. The previous owner had framed a
ceiling
at 6'6" from the floor due to the need to route a large AC coil across
that
room. I removed the low ceiling board and framing, and had someone redo
the
AC coil a different shape and tuck it partly into the attic and was able
to
reduce the protrusion all the way down to 92" from the floor, still 8"
below
the original roof joists but that's the best I can do.

Now I need to frame in a new ceiling, I will mount to this a few lights
and
a ceiling fan.

What is the best way to frame this ceiling? The room is 7'6" in width and
I
have walls on both sides with studs 16" apart. I am thinking of using 2x4s
spaced 16" apart and attach them directly to the studs. I am not sure how
to make the attachment, was thinking of using some Simpson hangers but not
sure which one would work, however if I did, then when I mount the ceiling
sheet rock the edges will be wrapped in metal and I will have trouble
shooting drywall screws up.

Any ideas on what is the best way to frame this ceiling?

Thanks,

MC

MC-

How about running the 2x4 passed the face of the studs into the wall
cavity thus creating overlap for nailing?

Get out your framing gun & shoot a couple 16d shorts and you're done.

cheers
Bob

That sounds like it may work. I will check into it. Thanks!

MC

On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 21:30:19 -0500, MiamiCuse wrote:

Due to AC duct work and clearances, I am having to create a lower
ceiling.

The joists are 100" from the floor. The previous owner had framed a
ceiling at 6'6" from the floor due to the need to route a large AC coil
across that room. I removed the low ceiling board and framing, and had
someone redo the AC coil a different shape and tuck it partly into the
attic and was able to reduce the protrusion all the way down to 92" from
the floor, still 8" below the original roof joists but that's the best I
can do.

Now I need to frame in a new ceiling, I will mount to this a few lights
and a ceiling fan.

What is the best way to frame this ceiling? The room is 7'6" in width
and I have walls on both sides with studs 16" apart. I am thinking of
using 2x4s spaced 16" apart and attach them directly to the studs. I am
not sure how to make the attachment, was thinking of using some Simpson
hangers but not sure which one would work, however if I did, then when I
mount the ceiling sheet rock the edges will be wrapped in metal and I
will have trouble shooting drywall screws up.

Any ideas on what is the best way to frame this ceiling?

Thanks,

MC

For a ceiling of this size have you considered using MF? I have no idea
what they're called in the US but the basic subframe is metal (much the
same as metal stud drywall) suspended using 25mmx25mm (1"x1") galv angle
The boards attached to this frame come in 600mmx900mm (3"x6") for easy
one-man installation.

I would do it this way, as it would be much easier and quicker in your
circumstances than making up and installing a timber frame.



--
The month of March in this year of 2009 sees the centenary of the laying
of the keel of the most famous (or infamous) ocean liner of all time, RMS
Titanic, at Harland & Wolff shipyard in Belfast.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Titanic

"MiamiCuse" wrote in message
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"BobK207" wrote in message
...
On Feb 7, 6:30 pm, "MiamiCuse" wrote:
Due to AC duct work and clearances, I am having to create a lower
ceiling.

The joists are 100" from the floor. The previous owner had framed a
ceiling
at 6'6" from the floor due to the need to route a large AC coil across
that
room. I removed the low ceiling board and framing, and had someone redo
the
AC coil a different shape and tuck it partly into the attic and was able
to
reduce the protrusion all the way down to 92" from the floor, still 8"
below
the original roof joists but that's the best I can do.

Now I need to frame in a new ceiling, I will mount to this a few lights
and
a ceiling fan.

What is the best way to frame this ceiling? The room is 7'6" in width and
I
have walls on both sides with studs 16" apart. I am thinking of using
2x4s
spaced 16" apart and attach them directly to the studs. I am not sure how
to make the attachment, was thinking of using some Simpson hangers but
not
sure which one would work, however if I did, then when I mount the
ceiling
sheet rock the edges will be wrapped in metal and I will have trouble
shooting drywall screws up.

Any ideas on what is the best way to frame this ceiling?

Thanks,

MC

MC-

How about running the 2x4 passed the face of the studs into the wall
cavity thus creating overlap for nailing?

Get out your framing gun & shoot a couple 16d shorts and you're done.

cheers
Bob

That sounds like it may work. I will check into it. Thanks!

MC


I am wondering, should I just put 2x4s up with the top edge of it butt up to
the bottom of the top plate, which means I assume the top plate to be level
and even on both sides (I did some measurements and it seems to be), and
then hope that the finished frame will be all even and level with each
other, or should I score a line a little lower than the "4" of the 2x4 all
the way across, and attach the 2x4s with their bottom against it.

MC

"MiamiCuse" wrote in message
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"MiamiCuse" wrote in message
...

"BobK207" wrote in message
...
On Feb 7, 6:30 pm, "MiamiCuse" wrote:
Due to AC duct work and clearances, I am having to create a lower
ceiling.

The joists are 100" from the floor. The previous owner had framed a
ceiling
at 6'6" from the floor due to the need to route a large AC coil across
that
room. I removed the low ceiling board and framing, and had someone redo
the
AC coil a different shape and tuck it partly into the attic and was able
to
reduce the protrusion all the way down to 92" from the floor, still 8"
below
the original roof joists but that's the best I can do.

Now I need to frame in a new ceiling, I will mount to this a few lights
and
a ceiling fan.

What is the best way to frame this ceiling? The room is 7'6" in width
and I
have walls on both sides with studs 16" apart. I am thinking of using
2x4s
spaced 16" apart and attach them directly to the studs. I am not sure
how
to make the attachment, was thinking of using some Simpson hangers but
not
sure which one would work, however if I did, then when I mount the
ceiling
sheet rock the edges will be wrapped in metal and I will have trouble
shooting drywall screws up.

Any ideas on what is the best way to frame this ceiling?

Thanks,

MC

MC-

How about running the 2x4 passed the face of the studs into the wall
cavity thus creating overlap for nailing?

Get out your framing gun & shoot a couple 16d shorts and you're done.

cheers
Bob

That sounds like it may work. I will check into it. Thanks!

MC


There is a small problem. The two walls of this bathroom are not built the
same way. In other words, the spacing of the studs do not correspond to
each other. So if I run a 2x4 on the face of the stud on one wall, the
other wall the 2x4 may hit the middle of the stud, or be in between two
studs. I don't think this would work.

I think I need to add blocking to the bottom of the top plate, which in
essense will make the top plate not 2x4 but 4x4, and then use 2x4 to butt
joint the top plate and the 2x4 below it.

Thoughts?

MC

On Feb 9, 11:36*pm, "MiamiCuse" wrote:
"MiamiCuse" wrote in message

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"MiamiCuse" wrote in message
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"BobK207" wrote in message
....
On Feb 7, 6:30 pm, "MiamiCuse" wrote:
Due to AC duct work and clearances, I am having to create a lower
ceiling.

The joists are 100" from the floor. The previous owner had framed a
ceiling
at 6'6" from the floor due to the need to route a large AC coil across
that
room. I removed the low ceiling board and framing, and had someone redo
the
AC coil a different shape and tuck it partly into the attic and was able
to
reduce the protrusion all the way down to 92" from the floor, still 8"
below
the original roof joists but that's the best I can do.

Now I need to frame in a new ceiling, I will mount to this a few lights
and
a ceiling fan.

What is the best way to frame this ceiling? The room is 7'6" in width
and I
have walls on both sides with studs 16" apart. I am thinking of using
2x4s
spaced 16" apart and attach them directly to the studs. I am not sure
how
to make the attachment, was thinking of using some Simpson hangers but
not
sure which one would work, however if I did, then when I mount the
ceiling
sheet rock the edges will be wrapped in metal and I will have trouble
shooting drywall screws up.

Any ideas on what is the best way to frame this ceiling?

Thanks,

MC

MC-

How about running the 2x4 passed the face of the studs into the wall
cavity thus creating overlap for nailing?

Get out your framing gun & shoot a couple 16d shorts and you're done.

cheers
Bob

That sounds like it may work. *I will check into it. *Thanks!

MC

There is a small problem. *The two walls of this bathroom are not built the
same way. *In other words, the spacing of the studs do not correspond to
each other. *So if I run a 2x4 on the face of the stud on one wall, the
other wall the 2x4 may hit the middle of the stud, or be in between two
studs. *I don't think this would work.

I think I need to add blocking to the bottom of the top plate, which in
essense will make the top plate not 2x4 but 4x4, and then use 2x4 to butt
joint the top plate and the 2x4 below it.

Thoughts?

MC

Put a 2x4 ledger on the face of one set of studs...you'll loose 1.5"
out of the room but its quick & easy.

A 1x might even work since you're only concerned with the weigh of a
ceiling.

Continuous members are easier to deal with that cutting & fitting a
bunch of blocking and trying to get it all trued up will be a PITA.

Or if you dont want to lose even 1.5 or 3/4" ....use the 1x4 as temp
ledger, install the 2x4 ceiling joists, cut blocks & hold them in
position beneath the 2x4 joists with ~8" 2x4 stubs. Nail gun them in
place and when you're all done remove the temporary ledger.


cheers
Bob

MiamiCuse wrote:
"MiamiCuse" wrote in message
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"MiamiCuse" wrote in message
...
"BobK207" wrote in message
...
On Feb 7, 6:30 pm, "MiamiCuse" wrote:
Due to AC duct work and clearances, I am having to create a lower
ceiling.

The joists are 100" from the floor. The previous owner had framed a
ceiling
at 6'6" from the floor due to the need to route a large AC coil across
that
room. I removed the low ceiling board and framing, and had someone redo
the
AC coil a different shape and tuck it partly into the attic and was able
to
reduce the protrusion all the way down to 92" from the floor, still 8"
below
the original roof joists but that's the best I can do.

Now I need to frame in a new ceiling, I will mount to this a few lights
and
a ceiling fan.

What is the best way to frame this ceiling? The room is 7'6" in width
and I
have walls on both sides with studs 16" apart. I am thinking of using
2x4s
spaced 16" apart and attach them directly to the studs. I am not sure
how
to make the attachment, was thinking of using some Simpson hangers but
not
sure which one would work, however if I did, then when I mount the
ceiling
sheet rock the edges will be wrapped in metal and I will have trouble
shooting drywall screws up.

Any ideas on what is the best way to frame this ceiling?

Thanks,

MC
MC-
How about running the 2x4 passed the face of the studs into the wall
cavity thus creating overlap for nailing?
Get out your framing gun & shoot a couple 16d shorts and you're done.
cheers
Bob
That sounds like it may work. I will check into it. Thanks!

MC

There is a small problem. The two walls of this bathroom are not built the
same way. In other words, the spacing of the studs do not correspond to
each other. So if I run a 2x4 on the face of the stud on one wall, the
other wall the 2x4 may hit the middle of the stud, or be in between two
studs. I don't think this would work.

I think I need to add blocking to the bottom of the top plate, which in
essense will make the top plate not 2x4 but 4x4, and then use 2x4 to butt
joint the top plate and the 2x4 below it.

Thoughts?

MC



You could have framed it already in the time it took to read all the
emails, is my first thought :^/

If you want to make it REAL simple, put a band of 2x10 up against the
existing joists and top plate/studs, all the way around the inside of
the room. That eliminates cutting and fitting all the blocking. Then,
depending on how the studs line up, and access from the far side of the
wall, either end-nail or toe-nail or use hangers, to hang your new 2x6
joists, even with the bottom edge of the banding. If the fan is heavy,
put blocking across the top of 3 joists in the middle, to stiffen up
that area. Not conventional framing style, but it will be plenty strong
enough for what you need, and go up quick. If 2x10 are too expensive,
put up a band of 1x6 at the top, and 2x4 below it. Should net you nine
inches either way.

--
aem sends...

If I were having a problem figuring out how to do something the right
way I would consult a building inspector. That is what they are for.
I'm sure you don't want to do something that will be a safety concern
or lower your resale value. They will make sure that won't happen.

The cost of a permit, if one is necessary, is cheap insurance.

G.S.

Get
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 21:30:19 -0500, "MiamiCuse"
wrote:

Due to AC duct work and clearances, I am having to create a lower ceiling.

The joists are 100" from the floor. The previous owner had framed a ceiling
at 6'6" from the floor due to the need to route a large AC coil across that
room. I removed the low ceiling board and framing, and had someone redo the
AC coil a different shape and tuck it partly into the attic and was able to
reduce the protrusion all the way down to 92" from the floor, still 8" below
the original roof joists but that's the best I can do.

Now I need to frame in a new ceiling, I will mount to this a few lights and
a ceiling fan.

What is the best way to frame this ceiling? The room is 7'6" in width and I
have walls on both sides with studs 16" apart. I am thinking of using 2x4s
spaced 16" apart and attach them directly to the studs. I am not sure how
to make the attachment, was thinking of using some Simpson hangers but not
sure which one would work, however if I did, then when I mount the ceiling
sheet rock the edges will be wrapped in metal and I will have trouble
shooting drywall screws up.

Any ideas on what is the best way to frame this ceiling?

Thanks,

MC

"aemeijers" wrote in message
...
MiamiCuse wrote:
"MiamiCuse" wrote in message
...
"MiamiCuse" wrote in message
...
"BobK207" wrote in message
...
On Feb 7, 6:30 pm, "MiamiCuse" wrote:
Due to AC duct work and clearances, I am having to create a lower
ceiling.

The joists are 100" from the floor. The previous owner had framed a
ceiling
at 6'6" from the floor due to the need to route a large AC coil across
that
room. I removed the low ceiling board and framing, and had someone
redo the
AC coil a different shape and tuck it partly into the attic and was
able to
reduce the protrusion all the way down to 92" from the floor, still 8"
below
the original roof joists but that's the best I can do.

Now I need to frame in a new ceiling, I will mount to this a few
lights and
a ceiling fan.

What is the best way to frame this ceiling? The room is 7'6" in width
and I
have walls on both sides with studs 16" apart. I am thinking of using
2x4s
spaced 16" apart and attach them directly to the studs. I am not sure
how
to make the attachment, was thinking of using some Simpson hangers but
not
sure which one would work, however if I did, then when I mount the
ceiling
sheet rock the edges will be wrapped in metal and I will have trouble
shooting drywall screws up.

Any ideas on what is the best way to frame this ceiling?

Thanks,

MC
MC-
How about running the 2x4 passed the face of the studs into the wall
cavity thus creating overlap for nailing?
Get out your framing gun & shoot a couple 16d shorts and you're done.
cheers
Bob
That sounds like it may work. I will check into it. Thanks!

MC

There is a small problem. The two walls of this bathroom are not built
the same way. In other words, the spacing of the studs do not correspond
to each other. So if I run a 2x4 on the face of the stud on one wall,
the other wall the 2x4 may hit the middle of the stud, or be in between
two studs. I don't think this would work.

I think I need to add blocking to the bottom of the top plate, which in
essense will make the top plate not 2x4 but 4x4, and then use 2x4 to butt
joint the top plate and the 2x4 below it.

Thoughts?

MC

You could have framed it already in the time it took to read all the
emails, is my first thought :^/

If you want to make it REAL simple, put a band of 2x10 up against the
existing joists and top plate/studs, all the way around the inside of the
room. That eliminates cutting and fitting all the blocking. Then,
depending on how the studs line up, and access from the far side of the
wall, either end-nail or toe-nail or use hangers, to hang your new 2x6
joists, even with the bottom edge of the banding. If the fan is heavy, put
blocking across the top of 3 joists in the middle, to stiffen up that
area. Not conventional framing style, but it will be plenty strong enough
for what you need, and go up quick. If 2x10 are too expensive, put up a
band of 1x6 at the top, and 2x4 below it. Should net you nine inches
either way.

--
aem sends...

I already framed it last weekend...and then I took it all down because of
poor planning I forgot to consider a few details. This is a second attempt
at it trying to do the framing at the same time consider all other aspects,
clearance for hi-hats, clearance for exhaust fan, attic access hatch, AC
handler right up, drain pan drain lines, exhaust fan duct, electrical
conduits, AC returns and supplies all coming together up there in that
space.

Thanks,

MC