I have a relative who is out of work. I thought I would help him with
some re-modeling work. He is an experienced home re-modeler and I don't
question his experience.

My question is what to pay? The work might include installing
re-placement windows, re-model some bathrooms, new siding, etc.
The prevailing base wage rate established by the state (North East) for
a journey carpenter is about $38/hr.

He has no place to live so would move in here and we would provide room
and board.

Any thoughts?

Kadaifi wrote:
I have a relative who is out of work. I thought I would help him with
some re-modeling work. He is an experienced home re-modeler and I don't
question his experience.

My question is what to pay? The work might include installing
re-placement windows, re-model some bathrooms, new siding, etc.
The prevailing base wage rate established by the state (North East) for
a journey carpenter is about $38/hr.

He has no place to live so would move in here and we would provide room
and board.

Any thoughts?
BTDT. Nothing is more permanent that a relative that moves in
'temporarily'. Only you can judge- is he out of work due to the economy,
or because he is a less-than-ideal employee? Why does he have no place
to live? Not trying to pre-judge your relative, but I have a few of my
own that are skilled and experienced, but less than fully functional. If
you are going to pay 'prevailing' (aka union scale) wages, things might
be a lot more business-like if he rents a small apartment to live in,
and just stashes his tools at your place, while the work is going on. If
you have the space to put him up without pain, and you think the
after-hours time together will be pleasant or helpful, okay, but if I
was giving room and board, I wouldn't pay over 20 bucks an hour. And
speaking from sad experience- don't cut him any slack on the speed or
quality of the work- you would not be doing either of you any favors.

Standard disclaimer- you said you live in the northeast- some areas in
that part of country are notorious about being asses about permits, and
while 'owner installed' is often exempt, work done by a relative that is
temporarily residing there, but paid for his work, may make their heads
explode (especially if he isn't licensed). Best to research that before
you start, rather than being faced with having to rip out and redo.
Plus, of course, talk to your insurance agent about an appropriate rider
to your household policy, for the duration of the remodeling work.

--
aem sends...

In article ,
Kadaifi wrote:

I have a relative who is out of work. I thought I would help him with
some re-modeling work. He is an experienced home re-modeler and I don't
question his experience.

My question is what to pay? The work might include installing
re-placement windows, re-model some bathrooms, new siding, etc.
The prevailing base wage rate established by the state (North East) for
a journey carpenter is about $38/hr.

He has no place to live so would move in here and we would provide room
and board.

Any thoughts?

Pay him $38/hr. Charge him $350/wk for room and board.

What happens when the work's done? Are you going to toss him out?
What if he stops in the middle because he finds work?

Paying per hour (or for the job) and then charging rent might reduce
the chances of conflict.

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:39:33 -0800, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
Kadaifi wrote:

I have a relative who is out of work. I thought I would help him with
some re-modeling work. He is an experienced home re-modeler and I don't
question his experience.

My question is what to pay? The work might include installing
re-placement windows, re-model some bathrooms, new siding, etc.
The prevailing base wage rate established by the state (North East) for
a journey carpenter is about $38/hr.

He has no place to live so would move in here and we would provide room
and board.

Any thoughts?

Pay him $38/hr. Charge him $350/wk for room and board.

Disagree on the room/board: we charge $350 a month just for room
(includes private bathroom and cable TV and DSL and use of laundry
facilities in basement). Let him pay for his own board out of his
hourly wages.

In article ,
KLS wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:39:33 -0800, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
Kadaifi wrote:

I have a relative who is out of work. I thought I would help him with
some re-modeling work. He is an experienced home re-modeler and I don't
question his experience.

My question is what to pay? The work might include installing
re-placement windows, re-model some bathrooms, new siding, etc.
The prevailing base wage rate established by the state (North East) for
a journey carpenter is about $38/hr.

He has no place to live so would move in here and we would provide room
and board.

Any thoughts?

Pay him $38/hr. Charge him $350/wk for room and board.

Disagree on the room/board: we charge $350 a month just for room
(includes private bathroom and cable TV and DSL and use of laundry
facilities in basement). Let him pay for his own board out of his
hourly wages.

So you think he'll eat more than $1050 worth of food in a month?

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:21:50 -0800, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
KLS wrote:

Pay him $38/hr. Charge him $350/wk for room and board.

Disagree on the room/board: we charge $350 a month just for room
(includes private bathroom and cable TV and DSL and use of laundry
facilities in basement). Let him pay for his own board out of his
hourly wages.

So you think he'll eat more than $1050 worth of food in a month?

Not necessarily: just saying that allowing him to spend his $$ as he
wishes on food relieves the OP of the responsibility of providing
enough/appropriate food/drink and avoids the risk of arguments in that
arena. Also frees up $$ for relative to use for gas.

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:56:02 GMT, Kadaifi wrote:

I have a relative who is out of work. I thought I would help him with
some re-modeling work. He is an experienced home re-modeler and I don't
question his experience.

My question is what to pay? The work might include installing
re-placement windows, re-model some bathrooms, new siding, etc.
The prevailing base wage rate established by the state (North East) for
a journey carpenter is about $38/hr.

I don't know. But get a contract in writing that includes the
elements of a contrracting job...

He has no place to live so would move in here and we would provide room
and board.

And the elements of the lease.

Tell them your granfather before he died (great grandfather if your
grandfather is sill alive, father if your father's not) made you
promise to get things in writing.

The purpose of the contract is not to have something to fight him with
later on. It's to prevent fighting. It's so that both sides will
know before the job starts and while the job is going one, what their
duties are and what they will get in return. Ans so both parties will
know the same thing, becuase it's in writing, one copy for each,
signed by both.

It doesn't mean either of you is untrustworthy, but people
misunderstand, forget, and not only that, often important things are
not even discussed. No one knows what was intended.

Any thoughts?

Cogito, ergo sum.

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:55:14 -0500, mm
wrote:


I don't know. But get a contract in writing that includes the
elements of a contrracting job...

He has no place to live so would move in here and we would provide room
and board.

And the elements of the lease

The other postssers are right. Get a contract for the work and a
separate lease for the room.

I would pay the guy at least something. He will still have expenses other
than room and board.

When he finishes the initial work, find him some other jobs, possibly with
neighbors. If he does a good job, show his work off to neighbors.
Incentive for him to do good work.

"Kadaifi" wrote in message
...
I have a relative who is out of work. I thought I would help him with
some re-modeling work. He is an experienced home re-modeler and I don't
question his experience.

My question is what to pay? The work might include installing
re-placement windows, re-model some bathrooms, new siding, etc.
The prevailing base wage rate established by the state (North East) for
a journey carpenter is about $38/hr.

He has no place to live so would move in here and we would provide room
and board.

Any thoughts?

"trailer" wrote in message
...
I would pay the guy at least something. He will still have expenses other
than room and board.

When he finishes the initial work, find him some other jobs, possibly with
neighbors. If he does a good job, show his work off to neighbors.
Incentive for him to do good work.


Good idea about showing his work. Put *that* in the contract as well. That
way you will be on the up and up if you are warning someone of a shoddy job.
"Hey, I just showed them your work as we agreed". Either way, the contract
that spells out everything, as already mentioned, will cover you both
against forgetfulness. Tell him that too. Nothng hidden and no ill intent.
If he doesn't go for it, nothing lost and a heartache saved!
Chuck

"Kadaifi" wrote in message
...
I have a relative who is out of work. I thought I would help him with some
re-modeling work. He is an experienced home re-modeler and I don't question
his experience.

My question is what to pay? The work might include installing re-placement
windows, re-model some bathrooms, new siding, etc.
The prevailing base wage rate established by the state (North East) for a
journey carpenter is about $38/hr.

He has no place to live so would move in here and we would provide room
and board.

Any thoughts?

I paid an out-of-work carpenter to do some major repairs here this past
fall. The rate we agreed on was $40/hr, but if I had been providing room
and board I'd probably chop $10-15 off that depending on how much he eats,
and how comfortable he becomes in your home. My guy was both skilled and
productive, so I had no problem with the rate.

Keith

"Kadaifi" wrote in message
...

I have a relative who is out of work. I thought I would help him with some
re-modeling work. He is an experienced home re-modeler and I don't question
his experience.

My question is what to pay? The work might include installing re-placement
windows, re-model some bathrooms, new siding, etc.
The prevailing base wage rate established by the state (North East) for a
journey carpenter is about $38/hr.

He has no place to live so would move in here and we would provide room
and board.

Any thoughts?

He'll steal you blind and have sex with your wife or daughter-- maybe
both...

First, I'd allow him to stay for 2-3 weeks (possibly a month) for
free, including food. Make it clear from the beginning what the rent
will be, charge the upper monthly rent rate, pay $10 an hour, and
food is not provided. Motivate independence.

On Jan 11, 1:56*pm, Kadaifi wrote:
I have a relative who is out of work. I thought I would help him with
some re-modeling work. He is an experienced home re-modeler and I don't
question his experience.

My question is what to pay? The work might include installing
re-placement windows, re-model some bathrooms, new siding, etc.
The prevailing base wage rate established by the state (North East) for
a journey carpenter is about $38/hr.

He has no place to live so would move in here and we would provide room
and board.

Any thoughts?

38 an hr, thats is union and he isnt making anything. What do locals
charge now in winter. Alot are out of work and may normaly cut their
price in winter. I never hire union. I think you might be near 14-18
in range and cheap rent but you need bids to compare and base prices
on or the work might take 20 years.

On Jan 11, 2:56*pm, Kadaifi wrote:
I have a relative who is out of work. I thought I would help him with
some re-modeling work. He is an experienced home re-modeler and I don't
question his experience.

My question is what to pay? The work might include installing
re-placement windows, re-model some bathrooms, new siding, etc.
The prevailing base wage rate established by the state (North East) for
a journey carpenter is about $38/hr.

He has no place to live so would move in here and we would provide room
and board.

Any thoughts?

Umm. Unless you are 8 or more units AND have the construction being
done with state/federal money, prevailing wage is irrelevant. If you
must pay prevailing wages (aka DBRA), then you must get a wage
determination. To start that, you must know if you are paying
"residential rate" or "building rate" -- either can apply depending on
the circumstances.

If you are paying Federal prevailing wages, you can "lock" them at the
start of construction but some (all?) state wages do not lock so they
may change during construction.

Now, if you are paying prevailing wage rates because you are getting
some state/federal subsidy, remember that Federal subsidies trigger
all kinds of other niceties. For example, they will trigger lead-safe
work practices. If the cost is above $25,000; then it'll trigger
abatement.

Since you're hiring him, you also have asbestos testing requirements
under Federal law.

As for the lead, don't worry about the Fed requirements. You should
use lead-safe work practices anyway.

Good luck with it.

"Kadaifi" wrote in message
...
I have a relative who is out of work. I thought I would help him with some
re-modeling work. He is an experienced home re-modeler and I don't question
his experience.

My question is what to pay? The work might include installing re-placement
windows, re-model some bathrooms, new siding, etc.
The prevailing base wage rate established by the state (North East) for a
journey carpenter is about $38/hr.

He has no place to live so would move in here and we would provide room
and board.

Any thoughts?

Ask him. Maybe he will work for less being it is for a relative, and since
work is tight. If he wants more, you'll know if he's a good relative or
not.

Steve

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:37:41 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:


"Kadaifi" wrote in message
...
I have a relative who is out of work. I thought I would help him with some
re-modeling work. He is an experienced home re-modeler and I don't question
his experience.

My question is what to pay? The work might include installing re-placement
windows, re-model some bathrooms, new siding, etc.
The prevailing base wage rate established by the state (North East) for a
journey carpenter is about $38/hr.

He has no place to live so would move in here and we would provide room
and board.

Any thoughts?

Ask him.

Good advice. Or somewhere in between. "I was thinking of xx
dollars/hour. Is that all right? (I'm not sure.) ...."

Maybe he will work for less being it is for a relative, and since
work is tight. If he wants more, you'll know if he's a good relative or
not.

Steve

Minimum wage


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Jerry - OHIO wrote:
Minimum wage


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http://community.webtv.net/awoodbutcher/1974Tryke

I'm sure pleased to hear that poplar is a popular wood!

It's popular with me because all my wood is Free wood from when I
worked for a home builder. I wouldn't be able to build any thing if I
had to buy all my wood. I still have a lot of lumber in stock.
12@ 1x 12x 12ft oak
6@ 1x 10 x 12ft oak
15@ 1x12 x 10 ft popular poplar
and a bunch of 4 and 6 ft peices of red redwood
I ran out of the walnut I had .
I need to find some FREE pine.
Jerry


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http://community.webtv.net/awoodbutcher/1974Tryke

Jerry - OHIO wrote:
It's popular with me because all my wood is Free wood from when I
worked for a home builder. I wouldn't be able to build any thing if I
had to buy all my wood. I still have a lot of lumber in stock.
12@ 1x 12x 12ft oak
6@ 1x 10 x 12ft oak
15@ 1x12 x 10 ft popular poplar
and a bunch of 4 and 6 ft peices of red redwood
I ran out of the walnut I had .
I need to find some FREE pine.
Jerry


http://community.webtv.net/awoodbutc...oodWorkingPage


http://community.webtv.net/awoodbutcher/1974Tryke


I think that's a Whooosh.

Look at a subtitle on the first page of the first link.

On Jan 11, 1:56 pm, Kadaifi wrote:
I have a relative who is out of work. I thought I would help him
with some re-modeling work. He is an experienced home
re-modeler and I don't question his experience.

My question is what to pay?

Perhaps it would be best to avoid mentioning specific dollar amounts.
Show him what you have to offer in terms of a place to stay and then
negotiate what he might do for that.

Kadaifi wrote:

I have a relative who is out of work. I thought I would help him with
some re-modeling work. He is an experienced home re-modeler and I
don't question his experience.

My question is what to pay? The work might include installing
re-placement windows, re-model some bathrooms, new siding, etc.
The prevailing base wage rate established by the state (North East)
for a journey carpenter is about $38/hr.

He has no place to live so would move in here and we would provide
room and board.

Any thoughts?

It is a bad idea on several levels. First, IMO, that doing business or
financial deals with relatives is a bad idea.
I would have to know a lot more before advising to go ahead ... what
relationship? Why does he not go
elsewhere for work? Why is he homeless? How old? Married? Debts?

A mature adult needs their own living space.......living under your roof
makes him responsible to you, and
in combination with doing work on your home, it just seems to invite too
many conflicts. What would
be the rule for work hours, having guests, length of stay? If you set a
time limit and he still "can't find
work", what will you do? How long can he stay before he establishes
legal residency? A competent
carpenter can certainly find work, although it may be another vocation
for a time.

I have know a couple of elderly folks who, when they passed away, left
lists of all the little "loans"
to family. I decided long ago that if family needed money, it would be
a gift and not a loan. If
I can afford to lend it, I can afford to give it, and it is a done
deal. No worry for either party
and no "look at all I've done for you". And it wouldn't be time after
time, because folks either
take responsibility for finances or lose privileges. What doesn't kill
ya/ makes ya' stronger. And
smarter.

On Jan 11, 1:56*pm, Kadaifi wrote:
I have a relative who is out of work. I thought I would help him with
some re-modeling work. He is an experienced home re-modeler and I don't
question his experience.

My question is what to pay? The work might include installing
re-placement windows, re-model some bathrooms, new siding, etc.
The prevailing base wage rate established by the state (North East) for
a journey carpenter is about $38/hr.

He has no place to live so would move in here and we would provide room
and board.

Any thoughts?


I pay $30/hr for this kind of arrangement, with a friend of a friend
not a relative.