It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm

On Dec 26, 5:00�pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...-hybrid-to-pow...

see it can be done

RVers use inverters constantly

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm
Clearly, the kind of dumb-assed environmental wacko story I'd expect from
Mass. I use an inverter on a deep cycle marine battery in my service
vehicle. It powers chargers, lights, and the occasional power tool. Most of
the time it spends slowly recharging off the vehicle alternator. short
bursts are all they're really good for,if you're using any real power. So
this clown runs out to recharge his car once an hour or so, and thinks he's
a genius. If he had a half a brain he wouldn't be bothering powering his
refrigerator during a snow storm, and he'd own a cheap generator like his
smarter, but less environmentally friendly neighbors, who are all, by the
way, laughing at the idiot.

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:30:41 -0500, "RBM" wrote:


"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm
Clearly, the kind of dumb-assed environmental wacko story I'd expect from
Mass. I use an inverter on a deep cycle marine battery in my service
vehicle. It powers chargers, lights, and the occasional power tool. Most of
the time it spends slowly recharging off the vehicle alternator. short
bursts are all they're really good for,if you're using any real power. So
this clown runs out to recharge his car once an hour or so, and thinks he's
a genius. If he had a half a brain he wouldn't be bothering powering his
refrigerator during a snow storm, and he'd own a cheap generator like his
smarter, but less environmentally friendly neighbors, who are all, by the
way, laughing at the idiot.


The Prius is a genius - it starts itself when the battery gets down to
40% charge. No going out to the cold to start the generator.
Ant it is at leasta 13KW generator

wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:30:41 -0500, "RBM" wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm
Clearly, the kind of dumb-assed environmental wacko story I'd expect from
Mass. I use an inverter on a deep cycle marine battery in my service
vehicle. It powers chargers, lights, and the occasional power tool. Most of
the time it spends slowly recharging off the vehicle alternator. short
bursts are all they're really good for,if you're using any real power. So
this clown runs out to recharge his car once an hour or so, and thinks he's
a genius. If he had a half a brain he wouldn't be bothering powering his
refrigerator during a snow storm, and he'd own a cheap generator like his
smarter, but less environmentally friendly neighbors, who are all, by the
way, laughing at the idiot.

The Prius is a genius - it starts itself when the battery gets down to
40% charge. No going out to the cold to start the generator.
Ant it is at leasta 13KW generator

Hi,
13KW at 12V or 120V?

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:30:41 -0500, "RBM" wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm
Clearly, the kind of dumb-assed environmental wacko story I'd expect
from Mass. I use an inverter on a deep cycle marine battery in my
service vehicle. It powers chargers, lights, and the occasional power
tool. Most of the time it spends slowly recharging off the vehicle
alternator. short bursts are all they're really good for,if you're
using any real power. So this clown runs out to recharge his car once
an hour or so, and thinks he's a genius. If he had a half a brain he
wouldn't be bothering powering his refrigerator during a snow storm,
and he'd own a cheap generator like his smarter, but less
environmentally friendly neighbors, who are all, by the way, laughing
at the idiot.

The Prius is a genius - it starts itself when the battery gets down to
40% charge. No going out to the cold to start the generator.
Ant it is at leasta 13KW generator

Hi,
13KW at 12V or 120V?

Neither, the car has two motor/generators and a high voltage battery. It
also has a 12 volt battery, and as with most of these puff articles, they
either don't know or aren't going to divulge any of the pertinent
information

Tony Hwang wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:30:41 -0500, "RBM" wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm
Clearly, the kind of dumb-assed environmental wacko story I'd
expect from Mass. I use an inverter on a deep cycle marine
battery in my service vehicle. It powers chargers, lights, and the
occasional power tool. Most of the time it spends slowly
recharging off the vehicle alternator. short bursts are all
they're really good for,if you're using any real power. So this
clown runs out to recharge his car once an hour or so, and thinks
he's a genius. If he had a half a brain he wouldn't be bothering
powering his refrigerator during a snow storm, and he'd own a
cheap generator like his smarter, but less environmentally
friendly neighbors, who are all, by the way, laughing at the
idiot.

The Prius is a genius - it starts itself when the battery gets down
to 40% charge. No going out to the cold to start the generator.
Ant it is at leasta 13KW generator

Hi,
13KW at 12V or 120V?

Watts the difference?

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:01:39 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Tony Hwang wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:30:41 -0500, "RBM" wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm
Clearly, the kind of dumb-assed environmental wacko story I'd
expect from Mass. I use an inverter on a deep cycle marine
battery in my service vehicle. It powers chargers, lights, and the
occasional power tool. Most of the time it spends slowly
recharging off the vehicle alternator. short bursts are all
they're really good for,if you're using any real power. So this
clown runs out to recharge his car once an hour or so, and thinks
he's a genius. If he had a half a brain he wouldn't be bothering
powering his refrigerator during a snow storm, and he'd own a
cheap generator like his smarter, but less environmentally
friendly neighbors, who are all, by the way, laughing at the
idiot.

The Prius is a genius - it starts itself when the battery gets down
to 40% charge. No going out to the cold to start the generator.
Ant it is at leasta 13KW generator

Hi,
13KW at 12V or 120V?

Watts the difference?


Conversion efficiency?
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The government of the United States is not, in
any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:14:09 -0700, Tony Hwang
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:30:41 -0500, "RBM" wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm
Clearly, the kind of dumb-assed environmental wacko story I'd expect from
Mass. I use an inverter on a deep cycle marine battery in my service
vehicle. It powers chargers, lights, and the occasional power tool. Most of
the time it spends slowly recharging off the vehicle alternator. short
bursts are all they're really good for,if you're using any real power. So
this clown runs out to recharge his car once an hour or so, and thinks he's
a genius. If he had a half a brain he wouldn't be bothering powering his
refrigerator during a snow storm, and he'd own a cheap generator like his
smarter, but less environmentally friendly neighbors, who are all, by the
way, laughing at the idiot.

The Prius is a genius - it starts itself when the battery gets down to
40% charge. No going out to the cold to start the generator.
Ant it is at leasta 13KW generator

Hi,
13KW at 12V or 120V?
Over 200

RBM wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm
Clearly, the kind of dumb-assed environmental wacko story I'd expect from
Mass. I use an inverter on a deep cycle marine battery in my service
vehicle. It powers chargers, lights, and the occasional power tool. Most of
the time it spends slowly recharging off the vehicle alternator. short
bursts are all they're really good for,if you're using any real power. So
this clown runs out to recharge his car once an hour or so, and thinks he's
a genius. If he had a half a brain he wouldn't be bothering powering his
refrigerator during a snow storm, and he'd own a cheap generator like his
smarter, but less environmentally friendly neighbors, who are all, by the
way, laughing at the idiot.

Either RBM didn't read or didn't comprehend the article. Perhaps she was
distracted by a Limbaugh lame-assed rant.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm

Here's an excerpt:

"FIRST, the Prius carries a much LARGER BATTERY PACK than a regular car,
allowing someone to power more appliances for longer than the
conventional AC Delco found in most cars. SECOND, unlike some backup
battery systems found in homes, the Prius, like other cars, can recharge
its batteries with its normal internal combustion engine. And here's the
BEST PART -- because the PRIUS AUTOMATICALLY TURNS ITSELF ON WHEN THE
BATTERIES DRAIN to a certain level, SWEENEY LEFT THE CAR RUNNING AND IT
AUTOMATICALLY TURNED OVER WHEN IT NEEDED TO RECHARGE -- about once every
30 minutes. IF YOU WERE TRYING TO DO WHAT SWEENEY DID WITH A NON-HYBRID,
YOU'D FIND YOURSELF SPENDING A LOT MORE TIME OUTSIDE IN THE COLD. I THE
EFFICIENCY OF THE AUTO-ON FEATURE MEANT SWEENEY ONLY USED AROUND FIVE
GALLONS OF GAS."

Sweeney used considerably more gas to produce the 17 Kwh he used than my
Honda EU2000i would have used but I'll wager he used LESS gas than the
typical gas-hogging genny would have required to power what he did for
"a few days".

"Erma1ina" wrote in message
...
RBM wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm
Clearly, the kind of dumb-assed environmental wacko story I'd expect
from
Mass. I use an inverter on a deep cycle marine battery in my service
vehicle. It powers chargers, lights, and the occasional power tool. Most
of
the time it spends slowly recharging off the vehicle alternator. short
bursts are all they're really good for,if you're using any real power.
So
this clown runs out to recharge his car once an hour or so, and thinks
he's
a genius. If he had a half a brain he wouldn't be bothering powering his
refrigerator during a snow storm, and he'd own a cheap generator like
his
smarter, but less environmentally friendly neighbors, who are all, by
the
way, laughing at the idiot.

Either RBM didn't read or didn't comprehend the article. Perhaps she was
distracted by a Limbaugh lame-assed rant.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm

Here's an excerpt:

"FIRST, the Prius carries a much LARGER BATTERY PACK than a regular car,
allowing someone to power more appliances for longer than the
conventional AC Delco found in most cars. SECOND, unlike some backup
battery systems found in homes, the Prius, like other cars, can recharge
its batteries with its normal internal combustion engine. And here's the
BEST PART -- because the PRIUS AUTOMATICALLY TURNS ITSELF ON WHEN THE
BATTERIES DRAIN to a certain level, SWEENEY LEFT THE CAR RUNNING AND IT
AUTOMATICALLY TURNED OVER WHEN IT NEEDED TO RECHARGE -- about once every
30 minutes. IF YOU WERE TRYING TO DO WHAT SWEENEY DID WITH A NON-HYBRID,
YOU'D FIND YOURSELF SPENDING A LOT MORE TIME OUTSIDE IN THE COLD. I THE
EFFICIENCY OF THE AUTO-ON FEATURE MEANT SWEENEY ONLY USED AROUND FIVE
GALLONS OF GAS."

Sweeney used considerably more gas to produce the 17 Kwh he used than my
Honda EU2000i would have used but I'll wager he used LESS gas than the
typical gas-hogging genny would have required to power what he did for
"a few days".

Actually the ends of the columns were cut off for some reason, so I didn't
see that the car starts itself, of the part where Toyota voids the fools
warranty for misusing the equipment, and shortening the life of the battery.
If he had half a brain, he'd buy equipment intended for the purpose, like a
generator.

RBM wrote:

Actually the ends of the columns were cut off for some reason, so I
didn't see that the car starts itself, of the part where Toyota voids
the fools warranty for misusing the equipment, and shortening the
life of the battery. If he had half a brain, he'd buy equipment
intended for the purpose, like a generator.

Prius owners are not the sharpest knife in the six-pack.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
RBM wrote:

Actually the ends of the columns were cut off for some reason, so I
didn't see that the car starts itself, of the part where Toyota voids
the fools warranty for misusing the equipment, and shortening the
life of the battery. If he had half a brain, he'd buy equipment
intended for the purpose, like a generator.

Prius owners are not the sharpest knife in the six-pack.
Actually, It's a bigger joke than it would appear from that one article.
The only thing of any consequence that the idiot powered was his
refrigerator, during a snowstorm. They kept warm by using a gas fireplace,
(electric ignition). The reporters are idiots as well, as they report on
the special battery that the hybrid uses, but in fact the guy only used a
generic 1000 watt inverter, connected to the smaller than a normal 12 volt
car battery that the Prius uses. The really big battery that the prius uses
to power it's drive motors is over 200 volts, but the reporters certainly
aren't going to let the technical stuff , or reality, get in the way of a
good story.

Erma1ina wrote:
RBM wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...

It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm
Clearly, the kind of dumb-assed environmental wacko story I'd expect from
Mass. I use an inverter on a deep cycle marine battery in my service
vehicle. It powers chargers, lights, and the occasional power tool. Most of
the time it spends slowly recharging off the vehicle alternator. short
bursts are all they're really good for,if you're using any real power. So
this clown runs out to recharge his car once an hour or so, and thinks he's
a genius. If he had a half a brain he wouldn't be bothering powering his
refrigerator during a snow storm, and he'd own a cheap generator like his
smarter, but less environmentally friendly neighbors, who are all, by the
way, laughing at the idiot.


Either RBM didn't read or didn't comprehend the article. Perhaps she was
distracted by a Limbaugh lame-assed rant.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm

Here's an excerpt:

"FIRST, the Prius carries a much LARGER BATTERY PACK than a regular car,
allowing someone to power more appliances for longer than the
conventional AC Delco found in most cars. SECOND, unlike some backup
battery systems found in homes, the Prius, like other cars, can recharge
its batteries with its normal internal combustion engine. And here's the
BEST PART -- because the PRIUS AUTOMATICALLY TURNS ITSELF ON WHEN THE
BATTERIES DRAIN to a certain level, SWEENEY LEFT THE CAR RUNNING AND IT
AUTOMATICALLY TURNED OVER WHEN IT NEEDED TO RECHARGE -- about once every
30 minutes. IF YOU WERE TRYING TO DO WHAT SWEENEY DID WITH A NON-HYBRID,
YOU'D FIND YOURSELF SPENDING A LOT MORE TIME OUTSIDE IN THE COLD. I THE
EFFICIENCY OF THE AUTO-ON FEATURE MEANT SWEENEY ONLY USED AROUND FIVE
GALLONS OF GAS."

Sweeney used considerably more gas to produce the 17 Kwh he used than my
Honda EU2000i would have used but I'll wager he used LESS gas than the
typical gas-hogging genny would have required to power what he did for
"a few days".


That prolly should read 17 KW, not 17 KWH, huh?

Anyone remember back maybe 35 years ago when you could buy gizmos which
tricked a regular automobile alternator into outputting something near
120 volts DC which could be used to power things like power tools with
"universal" (AC or DC) electric motors in them?

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.98*10^14 fathoms per fortnight.

"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message
...
Erma1ina wrote:
RBM wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...

It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm
Clearly, the kind of dumb-assed environmental wacko story I'd expect
from
Mass. I use an inverter on a deep cycle marine battery in my service
vehicle. It powers chargers, lights, and the occasional power tool. Most
of
the time it spends slowly recharging off the vehicle alternator. short
bursts are all they're really good for,if you're using any real power.
So
this clown runs out to recharge his car once an hour or so, and thinks
he's
a genius. If he had a half a brain he wouldn't be bothering powering his
refrigerator during a snow storm, and he'd own a cheap generator like
his
smarter, but less environmentally friendly neighbors, who are all, by
the
way, laughing at the idiot.


Either RBM didn't read or didn't comprehend the article. Perhaps she was
distracted by a Limbaugh lame-assed rant.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm

Here's an excerpt:

"FIRST, the Prius carries a much LARGER BATTERY PACK than a regular car,
allowing someone to power more appliances for longer than the
conventional AC Delco found in most cars. SECOND, unlike some backup
battery systems found in homes, the Prius, like other cars, can recharge
its batteries with its normal internal combustion engine. And here's the
BEST PART -- because the PRIUS AUTOMATICALLY TURNS ITSELF ON WHEN THE
BATTERIES DRAIN to a certain level, SWEENEY LEFT THE CAR RUNNING AND IT
AUTOMATICALLY TURNED OVER WHEN IT NEEDED TO RECHARGE -- about once every
30 minutes. IF YOU WERE TRYING TO DO WHAT SWEENEY DID WITH A NON-HYBRID,
YOU'D FIND YOURSELF SPENDING A LOT MORE TIME OUTSIDE IN THE COLD. I THE
EFFICIENCY OF THE AUTO-ON FEATURE MEANT SWEENEY ONLY USED AROUND FIVE
GALLONS OF GAS."

Sweeney used considerably more gas to produce the 17 Kwh he used than my
Honda EU2000i would have used but I'll wager he used LESS gas than the
typical gas-hogging genny would have required to power what he did for
"a few days".


That prolly should read 17 KW, not 17 KWH, huh?

Anyone remember back maybe 35 years ago when you could buy gizmos which
tricked a regular automobile alternator into outputting something near 120
volts DC which could be used to power things like power tools with
"universal" (AC or DC) electric motors in them?

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.98*10^14 fathoms per fortnight.

I built one into my first Ford service van. I installed a separate battery
and alternator, so as not to interfere with the vehicle's equipment. You did
have to crank up the rpms quite a bit to get over 90 volts, but the damn
thing did work

Jeff Wisnia wrote:

Erma1ina wrote:
RBM wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...

It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm
Clearly, the kind of dumb-assed environmental wacko story I'd expect from
Mass. I use an inverter on a deep cycle marine battery in my service
vehicle. It powers chargers, lights, and the occasional power tool. Most of
the time it spends slowly recharging off the vehicle alternator. short
bursts are all they're really good for,if you're using any real power. So
this clown runs out to recharge his car once an hour or so, and thinks he's
a genius. If he had a half a brain he wouldn't be bothering powering his
refrigerator during a snow storm, and he'd own a cheap generator like his
smarter, but less environmentally friendly neighbors, who are all, by the
way, laughing at the idiot.


Either RBM didn't read or didn't comprehend the article. Perhaps she was
distracted by a Limbaugh lame-assed rant.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm

Here's an excerpt:

"FIRST, the Prius carries a much LARGER BATTERY PACK than a regular car,
allowing someone to power more appliances for longer than the
conventional AC Delco found in most cars. SECOND, unlike some backup
battery systems found in homes, the Prius, like other cars, can recharge
its batteries with its normal internal combustion engine. And here's the
BEST PART -- because the PRIUS AUTOMATICALLY TURNS ITSELF ON WHEN THE
BATTERIES DRAIN to a certain level, SWEENEY LEFT THE CAR RUNNING AND IT
AUTOMATICALLY TURNED OVER WHEN IT NEEDED TO RECHARGE -- about once every
30 minutes. IF YOU WERE TRYING TO DO WHAT SWEENEY DID WITH A NON-HYBRID,
YOU'D FIND YOURSELF SPENDING A LOT MORE TIME OUTSIDE IN THE COLD. I THE
EFFICIENCY OF THE AUTO-ON FEATURE MEANT SWEENEY ONLY USED AROUND FIVE
GALLONS OF GAS."

Sweeney used considerably more gas to produce the 17 Kwh he used than my
Honda EU2000i would have used but I'll wager he used LESS gas than the
typical gas-hogging genny would have required to power what he did for
"a few days".

That prolly should read 17 KW, not 17 KWH, huh?

Anyone remember back maybe 35 years ago when you could buy gizmos which
tricked a regular automobile alternator into outputting something near
120 volts DC which could be used to power things like power tools with
"universal" (AC or DC) electric motors in them?

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.98*10^14 fathoms per fortnight.

No. It should read exactly as it does: 17 KWH (Energy) NOT 17 KW
(Power). He used 17 KWH of ENERGY during those "few days".

"Erma1ina" wrote in message
...
Jeff Wisnia wrote:

Erma1ina wrote:
RBM wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...

It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm
Clearly, the kind of dumb-assed environmental wacko story I'd expect
from
Mass. I use an inverter on a deep cycle marine battery in my service
vehicle. It powers chargers, lights, and the occasional power tool.
Most of
the time it spends slowly recharging off the vehicle alternator. short
bursts are all they're really good for,if you're using any real power.
So
this clown runs out to recharge his car once an hour or so, and thinks
he's
a genius. If he had a half a brain he wouldn't be bothering powering
his
refrigerator during a snow storm, and he'd own a cheap generator like
his
smarter, but less environmentally friendly neighbors, who are all, by
the
way, laughing at the idiot.


Either RBM didn't read or didn't comprehend the article. Perhaps she
was
distracted by a Limbaugh lame-assed rant.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm

Here's an excerpt:

"FIRST, the Prius carries a much LARGER BATTERY PACK than a regular
car,
allowing someone to power more appliances for longer than the
conventional AC Delco found in most cars. SECOND, unlike some backup
battery systems found in homes, the Prius, like other cars, can
recharge
its batteries with its normal internal combustion engine. And here's
the
BEST PART -- because the PRIUS AUTOMATICALLY TURNS ITSELF ON WHEN THE
BATTERIES DRAIN to a certain level, SWEENEY LEFT THE CAR RUNNING AND IT
AUTOMATICALLY TURNED OVER WHEN IT NEEDED TO RECHARGE -- about once
every
30 minutes. IF YOU WERE TRYING TO DO WHAT SWEENEY DID WITH A
NON-HYBRID,
YOU'D FIND YOURSELF SPENDING A LOT MORE TIME OUTSIDE IN THE COLD. I THE
EFFICIENCY OF THE AUTO-ON FEATURE MEANT SWEENEY ONLY USED AROUND FIVE
GALLONS OF GAS."

Sweeney used considerably more gas to produce the 17 Kwh he used than
my
Honda EU2000i would have used but I'll wager he used LESS gas than the
typical gas-hogging genny would have required to power what he did for
"a few days".

That prolly should read 17 KW, not 17 KWH, huh?

Anyone remember back maybe 35 years ago when you could buy gizmos which
tricked a regular automobile alternator into outputting something near
120 volts DC which could be used to power things like power tools with
"universal" (AC or DC) electric motors in them?

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.98*10^14 fathoms per fortnight.

No. It should read exactly as it does: 17 KWH (Energy) NOT 17 KW
(Power). He used 17 KWH of ENERGY during those "few days".

Yes, you are correct here, and Jeff, as an EE understands KW and KWH,
however the deceptive wording of the puff story makes it sound like he was
getting 17 KWH, and never mentions that he only had a 1 KW inverter. It also
makes an incorrect comparison between the "Delco" battery of a normal car
and the special battery of the prius, with no concern for the fact that the
only 12 volt battery the Prius has, is a gel cell not much bigger than a
motorcycle battery, and considerably smaller than the Delco. You can buy
into this garbage if you so choose, but some of us live in the world where
laws of physics matter

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 06:47:24 GMT, Erma1ina
wrote:

Jeff Wisnia wrote:

Erma1ina wrote:
RBM wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...

It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm
Clearly, the kind of dumb-assed environmental wacko story I'd expect from
Mass. I use an inverter on a deep cycle marine battery in my service
vehicle. It powers chargers, lights, and the occasional power tool. Most of
the time it spends slowly recharging off the vehicle alternator. short
bursts are all they're really good for,if you're using any real power. So
this clown runs out to recharge his car once an hour or so, and thinks he's
a genius. If he had a half a brain he wouldn't be bothering powering his
refrigerator during a snow storm, and he'd own a cheap generator like his
smarter, but less environmentally friendly neighbors, who are all, by the
way, laughing at the idiot.


Either RBM didn't read or didn't comprehend the article. Perhaps she was
distracted by a Limbaugh lame-assed rant.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm

Here's an excerpt:

"FIRST, the Prius carries a much LARGER BATTERY PACK than a regular car,
allowing someone to power more appliances for longer than the
conventional AC Delco found in most cars. SECOND, unlike some backup
battery systems found in homes, the Prius, like other cars, can recharge
its batteries with its normal internal combustion engine. And here's the
BEST PART -- because the PRIUS AUTOMATICALLY TURNS ITSELF ON WHEN THE
BATTERIES DRAIN to a certain level, SWEENEY LEFT THE CAR RUNNING AND IT
AUTOMATICALLY TURNED OVER WHEN IT NEEDED TO RECHARGE -- about once every
30 minutes. IF YOU WERE TRYING TO DO WHAT SWEENEY DID WITH A NON-HYBRID,
YOU'D FIND YOURSELF SPENDING A LOT MORE TIME OUTSIDE IN THE COLD. I THE
EFFICIENCY OF THE AUTO-ON FEATURE MEANT SWEENEY ONLY USED AROUND FIVE
GALLONS OF GAS."

Sweeney used considerably more gas to produce the 17 Kwh he used than my
Honda EU2000i would have used but I'll wager he used LESS gas than the
typical gas-hogging genny would have required to power what he did for
"a few days".

That prolly should read 17 KW, not 17 KWH, huh?

Anyone remember back maybe 35 years ago when you could buy gizmos which
tricked a regular automobile alternator into outputting something near
120 volts DC which could be used to power things like power tools with
"universal" (AC or DC) electric motors in them?

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.98*10^14 fathoms per fortnight.

No. It should read exactly as it does: 17 KWH (Energy) NOT 17 KW
(Power). He used 17 KWH of ENERGY during those "few days".


I SUSPECT you are wrong - as theist generation Prius had a 17 KW
generator . Second Generation was something like30, and 3rd generation
50 or 55, from what I remember.

Erma1ina wrote:
Jeff Wisnia wrote:

Erma1ina wrote:

RBM wrote:


"HeyBub" wrote in message
...


It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm
Clearly, the kind of dumb-assed environmental wacko story I'd expect from
Mass. I use an inverter on a deep cycle marine battery in my service
vehicle. It powers chargers, lights, and the occasional power tool. Most of
the time it spends slowly recharging off the vehicle alternator. short
bursts are all they're really good for,if you're using any real power. So
this clown runs out to recharge his car once an hour or so, and thinks he's
a genius. If he had a half a brain he wouldn't be bothering powering his
refrigerator during a snow storm, and he'd own a cheap generator like his
smarter, but less environmentally friendly neighbors, who are all, by the
way, laughing at the idiot.


Either RBM didn't read or didn't comprehend the article. Perhaps she was
distracted by a Limbaugh lame-assed rant.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm

Here's an excerpt:

"FIRST, the Prius carries a much LARGER BATTERY PACK than a regular car,
allowing someone to power more appliances for longer than the
conventional AC Delco found in most cars. SECOND, unlike some backup
battery systems found in homes, the Prius, like other cars, can recharge
its batteries with its normal internal combustion engine. And here's the
BEST PART -- because the PRIUS AUTOMATICALLY TURNS ITSELF ON WHEN THE
BATTERIES DRAIN to a certain level, SWEENEY LEFT THE CAR RUNNING AND IT
AUTOMATICALLY TURNED OVER WHEN IT NEEDED TO RECHARGE -- about once every
30 minutes. IF YOU WERE TRYING TO DO WHAT SWEENEY DID WITH A NON-HYBRID,
YOU'D FIND YOURSELF SPENDING A LOT MORE TIME OUTSIDE IN THE COLD. I THE
EFFICIENCY OF THE AUTO-ON FEATURE MEANT SWEENEY ONLY USED AROUND FIVE
GALLONS OF GAS."

Sweeney used considerably more gas to produce the 17 Kwh he used than my
Honda EU2000i would have used but I'll wager he used LESS gas than the
typical gas-hogging genny would have required to power what he did for
"a few days".

That prolly should read 17 KW, not 17 KWH, huh?

Anyone remember back maybe 35 years ago when you could buy gizmos which
tricked a regular automobile alternator into outputting something near
120 volts DC which could be used to power things like power tools with
"universal" (AC or DC) electric motors in them?

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.98*10^14 fathoms per fortnight.


No. It should read exactly as it does: 17 KWH (Energy) NOT 17 KW
(Power). He used 17 KWH of ENERGY during those "few days".


I'll defer to you on that one.

What put me off track was wondering what he would have had to use to
meter the energy usage over time closely enough to be able to say
"approximately 17 KWH", and thinking that there was no "easy" way to do
that unless he had an old KWH meter lying around or maybe a few of those
Kill A Watt electricity usage meters. G

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:00:02 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm

The prius is a different story altogether. Notice 17 KILLOWATTS, with
the car starting about every half hout.
Gen 2 is 33Kw, and gen 3 is 50KW!!
Battery pack voltage is 273+ volts, so he wasn't using your normal
every-day inverter either!!.
The Gen 2 battery is good for 80 amps, and can take a 50 amp charge -
so not your typical deep-cycle battery either.
Gen 3 is 201 volts. Both are rated at 6.5 aH - or in the Gen3 case,
1300 watt hours (1.3kwh)

On Dec 26, 5:48*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:00:02 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...-hybrid-to-pow...

The prius is a different story altogether. Notice 17 KILLOWATTS, with
the car starting about every half hout.
Gen 2 is 33Kw, and gen 3 is 50KW!!
Battery pack voltage is 273+ volts, so he wasn't using your normal
every-day inverter either!!.

That assumes the inverter was somehow hooked directly to the Prius
battery pack. I see no indication that was the case. He only drew
17KWH over several days. I would think that could have been
provided by a small conventional inverter connected to the car's 12V
subsytem.




The Gen 2 battery is good for 80 amps, and can take a 50 amp charge -
so not your typical deep-cycle battery either.
Gen 3 is 201 volts. Both are rated at 6.5 aH - or in the Gen3 case,
1300 watt hours (1.3kwh)

wrote in message
...
On Dec 26, 5:48 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:00:02 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...-hybrid-to-pow...

The prius is a different story altogether. Notice 17 KILLOWATTS, with
the car starting about every half hout.
Gen 2 is 33Kw, and gen 3 is 50KW!!
Battery pack voltage is 273+ volts, so he wasn't using your normal
every-day inverter either!!.

That assumes the inverter was somehow hooked directly to the Prius
battery pack. I see no indication that was the case. He only drew
17KWH over several days. I would think that could have been
provided by a small conventional inverter connected to the car's 12V
subsytem.




The Gen 2 battery is good for 80 amps, and can take a 50 amp charge -
so not your typical deep-cycle battery either.
Gen 3 is 201 volts. Both are rated at 6.5 aH - or in the Gen3 case,
1300 watt hours (1.3kwh)


There are a dozen different stories on it. Reporters from all over were just
tripping over each other to write a worship the Prius story. Bottom line, he
connected a 1000 watt garden variety inverter to the gel cell 12 volt
battery, and let the car auto start to keep it charged. I guess he needed to
be a Harvard EE to figure out how to connect the red and black wires to the
battery.

On Dec 27, 8:07*am, "RBM" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Dec 26, 5:48 pm, wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:00:02 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...-hybrid-to-pow....

The prius is a different story altogether. Notice 17 KILLOWATTS, with
the car starting about every half hout.
Gen 2 is 33Kw, and gen 3 is 50KW!!
Battery pack voltage is 273+ volts, so he wasn't using your normal
every-day inverter either!!.

That assumes the inverter was somehow hooked directly to the Prius
battery pack. *I see no indication that was the case. *He only drew
17KWH over several days. * *I would think that could have been
provided by a small conventional inverter connected to the car's 12V
subsytem.

The Gen 2 battery is good for 80 amps, and can take a 50 amp charge -
so not your typical deep-cycle battery either.
Gen 3 is 201 volts. Both are rated at 6.5 aH - or in the Gen3 case,
1300 watt hours (1.3kwh)

There are a dozen different stories on it. Reporters from all over were just
tripping over each other to write a worship the Prius story. Bottom line, he
connected a 1000 watt garden variety inverter to the gel cell 12 volt
battery, and let the car auto start to keep it charged. I guess he needed to
be a Harvard EE to figure out how to connect the red and black wires to the
battery.

Why put it down, if you had a Chevy hybrid you would do it, My
neighbor had a Escalade Hybrid for testing and it will sell. but I am
sure you would do it more carefully. Monitoring the Gen temp and other
components with an IR thermometer and having aiflow would have been
smart.

"ransley" wrote in message
...
On Dec 27, 8:07 am, "RBM" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Dec 26, 5:48 pm, wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:00:02 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...-hybrid-to-pow...

The prius is a different story altogether. Notice 17 KILLOWATTS, with
the car starting about every half hout.
Gen 2 is 33Kw, and gen 3 is 50KW!!
Battery pack voltage is 273+ volts, so he wasn't using your normal
every-day inverter either!!.

That assumes the inverter was somehow hooked directly to the Prius
battery pack. I see no indication that was the case. He only drew
17KWH over several days. I would think that could have been
provided by a small conventional inverter connected to the car's 12V
subsytem.

The Gen 2 battery is good for 80 amps, and can take a 50 amp charge -
so not your typical deep-cycle battery either.
Gen 3 is 201 volts. Both are rated at 6.5 aH - or in the Gen3 case,
1300 watt hours (1.3kwh)

There are a dozen different stories on it. Reporters from all over were
just
tripping over each other to write a worship the Prius story. Bottom line,
he
connected a 1000 watt garden variety inverter to the gel cell 12 volt
battery, and let the car auto start to keep it charged. I guess he needed
to
be a Harvard EE to figure out how to connect the red and black wires to
the
battery.

Why put it down, if you had a Chevy hybrid you would do it, My
neighbor had a Escalade Hybrid for testing and it will sell. but I am
sure you would do it more carefully. Monitoring the Gen temp and other
components with an IR thermometer and having aiflow would have been
smart.

I'm not putting down that car or any other hybrid, only the deceptive
,twisted story, designed to make a guy with no foresight look like a genius,
and the least innovative part of the hybrid, (the gel cell), appear to be
something miraculous.

I too, live in the northeast. We have snow and ice storms. Sometimes we lose
electricity. People who don't want to be without power in those
circumstances, like me, own generators designed to power everything we
desire during an outage. It's really a no brainer

On Dec 27, 9:07*am, "RBM" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Dec 26, 5:48 pm, wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:00:02 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...-hybrid-to-pow....

The prius is a different story altogether. Notice 17 KILLOWATTS, with
the car starting about every half hout.
Gen 2 is 33Kw, and gen 3 is 50KW!!
Battery pack voltage is 273+ volts, so he wasn't using your normal
every-day inverter either!!.

That assumes the inverter was somehow hooked directly to the Prius
battery pack. *I see no indication that was the case. *He only drew
17KWH over several days. * *I would think that could have been
provided by a small conventional inverter connected to the car's 12V
subsytem.

The Gen 2 battery is good for 80 amps, and can take a 50 amp charge -
so not your typical deep-cycle battery either.
Gen 3 is 201 volts. Both are rated at 6.5 aH - or in the Gen3 case,
1300 watt hours (1.3kwh)

There are a dozen different stories on it. Reporters from all over were just
tripping over each other to write a worship the Prius story. Bottom line, he
connected a 1000 watt garden variety inverter to the gel cell 12 volt
battery, and let the car auto start to keep it charged. I guess he needed to
be a Harvard EE to figure out how to connect the red and black wires to the
battery.

He probably was a Harvard EE. If he was an MIT EE he would have
figured out that this doesn't make much sense and not have bothered.

wrote in message
...
On Dec 27, 9:07 am, "RBM" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Dec 26, 5:48 pm, wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:00:02 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...-hybrid-to-pow...

The prius is a different story altogether. Notice 17 KILLOWATTS, with
the car starting about every half hout.
Gen 2 is 33Kw, and gen 3 is 50KW!!
Battery pack voltage is 273+ volts, so he wasn't using your normal
every-day inverter either!!.

That assumes the inverter was somehow hooked directly to the Prius
battery pack. I see no indication that was the case. He only drew
17KWH over several days. I would think that could have been
provided by a small conventional inverter connected to the car's 12V
subsytem.

The Gen 2 battery is good for 80 amps, and can take a 50 amp charge -
so not your typical deep-cycle battery either.
Gen 3 is 201 volts. Both are rated at 6.5 aH - or in the Gen3 case,
1300 watt hours (1.3kwh)

There are a dozen different stories on it. Reporters from all over were
just
tripping over each other to write a worship the Prius story. Bottom line,
he
connected a 1000 watt garden variety inverter to the gel cell 12 volt
battery, and let the car auto start to keep it charged. I guess he needed
to
be a Harvard EE to figure out how to connect the red and black wires to
the
battery.

He probably was a Harvard EE. If he was an MIT EE he would have
figured out that this doesn't make much sense and not have bothered.

If he was an MIT EE he would have tapped into the Prius's HUGE generating
capabilities and powered his whole freekin house

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 05:45:06 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Dec 26, 5:48Â*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:00:02 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...-hybrid-to-pow...

The prius is a different story altogether. Notice 17 KILLOWATTS, with
the car starting about every half hout.
Gen 2 is 33Kw, and gen 3 is 50KW!!
Battery pack voltage is 273+ volts, so he wasn't using your normal
every-day inverter either!!.

That assumes the inverter was somehow hooked directly to the Prius
battery pack. I see no indication that was the case. He only drew
17KWH over several days. I would think that could have been
provided by a small conventional inverter connected to the car's 12V
subsytem.




The Gen 2 battery is good for 80 amps, and can take a 50 amp charge -
so not your typical deep-cycle battery either.
Gen 3 is 201 volts. Both are rated at 6.5 aH - or in the Gen3 case,
1300 watt hours (1.3kwh)


Which WOUYLD be absolute lunacy - and the Prius does NOT auto-restart
on the 12 volt accessory battery level.

On Dec 27, 12:40*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 05:45:06 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Dec 26, 5:48*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:00:02 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...-hybrid-to-pow....

The prius is a different story altogether. Notice 17 KILLOWATTS, with
the car starting about every half hout.
Gen 2 is 33Kw, and gen 3 is 50KW!!
Battery pack voltage is 273+ volts, so he wasn't using your normal
every-day inverter either!!.

That assumes the inverter was somehow hooked directly to the Prius
battery pack. *I see no indication that was the case. *He only drew
17KWH over several days. * *I would think that could have been
provided by a small conventional inverter connected to the car's 12V
subsytem.

The Gen 2 battery is good for 80 amps, and can take a 50 amp charge -
so not your typical deep-cycle battery either.
Gen 3 is 201 volts. Both are rated at 6.5 aH - or in the Gen3 case,
1300 watt hours (1.3kwh)

Which WOUYLD be absolute lunacy - and the Prius does NOT auto-restart
on the 12 volt accessory battery level.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Wrong, it does Auto Restart when on, when the traction battery is low
enough.

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:03:57 -0800 (PST), ransley
wrote:

On Dec 27, 12:40Â*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 05:45:06 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Dec 26, 5:48Â*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:00:02 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...-hybrid-to-pow...

The prius is a different story altogether. Notice 17 KILLOWATTS, with
the car starting about every half hout.
Gen 2 is 33Kw, and gen 3 is 50KW!!
Battery pack voltage is 273+ volts, so he wasn't using your normal
every-day inverter either!!.

That assumes the inverter was somehow hooked directly to the Prius
battery pack. Â*I see no indication that was the case. Â*He only drew
17KWH over several days. Â* Â*I would think that could have been
provided by a small conventional inverter connected to the car's 12V
subsytem.

The Gen 2 battery is good for 80 amps, and can take a 50 amp charge -
so not your typical deep-cycle battery either.
Gen 3 is 201 volts. Both are rated at 6.5 aH - or in the Gen3 case,
1300 watt hours (1.3kwh)

Which WOUYLD be absolute lunacy - and the Prius does NOT auto-restart
on the 12 volt accessory battery level.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Wrong, it does Auto Restart when on, when the traction battery is low
enough.
The TRACTION battery - not the 12 volt accessory battery.
READ and THINK

On Dec 26, 4:00*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...-hybrid-to-pow...

Another good reason to own a hybrid, that system is made to make
electricity.

ransley wrote:
On Dec 26, 4:00 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...-hybrid-to-pow...

Another good reason to own a hybrid, that system is made to make
electricity.

There are no good reasons to own a hybrid.

On Dec 26, 8:04�pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
ransley wrote:
On Dec 26, 4:00 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...-hybrid-to-pow....

Another good reason to own a hybrid, that system is made to make
electricity.

There are no good reasons to own a hybrid.

fiancial probably not.

however some prius owners are adding some equiptement to charge the
battery pack at home from the power line.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
ransley wrote:
On Dec 26, 4:00 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...-hybrid-to-pow...

Another good reason to own a hybrid, that system is made to make
electricity.

There are no good reasons to own a hybrid.

My brother gets to drive solo in the carpool lane in his.

On Dec 26, 7:04*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
ransley wrote:
On Dec 26, 4:00 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...-hybrid-to-pow....

Another good reason to own a hybrid, that system is made to make
electricity.

There are no good reasons to own a hybrid.

What do you drive, a 8mpg, 4wd expedition, Wasting money to drive is
not money you keep or enjoy. Do you agree with giving 700 Billion a
year to our Arab enemies to move our vehicles. Hybrid is one good
alternative, but until the Gov subsides them they are high priced. 700
Billion we could have bought everyone in the world an Iphone, or paid
for insurance, fix our infrastructure, or pay for enough solar to make
a big difference here.

ransley wrote:

What do you drive, a 8mpg, 4wd expedition, Wasting money to drive is
not money you keep or enjoy.

Agreed. I once had a car that got NINE miles to the gallon! It was a Ford
Custom 500 - with a 426 Interceptor engine, 4bbl carb, etc. God, I loved
that car.

Do you agree with giving 700 Billion a
year to our Arab enemies to move our vehicles.

Rest easy. We don't. We get about 15% of our imported oil from the Arab
lands. Most imported oil comes from our Canadian enemies (25%) and a goodly
bit from our Mexican enemies (13%). We also get a surprising amount from our
Nigerian enemies (10%).

Hybrid is one good
alternative, but until the Gov subsides them they are high priced. 700
Billion we could have bought everyone in the world an Iphone, or paid
for insurance, fix our infrastructure, or pay for enough solar to make
a big difference here.

No matter what is done, solar can never make even a tiny difference, let
alone a big one.

Had we spent the $700 billion as you suggest, we could talk to everyone on
the planet as we pedaled our bikes. That would be nice.

On Dec 27, 12:39*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
ransley wrote:

What do you drive, a 8mpg, 4wd expedition, Wasting money to drive is
not money you keep or enjoy.

Agreed. I once had a car that got NINE miles to the gallon! It was a Ford
Custom 500 - with a 426 Interceptor engine, 4bbl carb, etc. God, I loved
that car.

Do you agree with giving 700 Billion a
year to our Arab enemies to move our vehicles.

Rest easy. We don't. We get about 15% of our imported oil from the Arab
lands. Most imported oil comes from our Canadian enemies (25%) and a goodly
bit from our Mexican enemies (13%). We also get a surprising amount from our
Nigerian enemies (10%).

Hybrid is one good
alternative, but until the Gov subsides them they are high priced. 700
Billion we could have bought everyone in the world an Iphone, or paid
for insurance, fix our infrastructure, or pay for enough solar to make
a big difference here.

No matter what is done, solar can never make even a tiny difference, let
alone a big one.

Had we spent the $700 billion as you suggest, we could talk to everyone on
the planet as we pedaled our bikes. That would be nice.

Have you read about Germanys solar program, My numbers are not exact
but as I remember 1/3 of Germany will be solar by 2025 and they are
well ahead of schedule by 5 -10 years. The people installing solar
make money doing so by getting aproximatly .25cents kwh. It is
business that makes purchasers of solar money considered safe enough
that banks loan for it. Charge for public use is over .30c kwh.
Germany is the largest purchaser of and maybe producer of solar cells
now. To say it cant be done is not true, it can be done with
incentives.

Why isnt Ng pushed for cars, in utah it is I believe, Honda had a Ng
car. My friend had a Propane 1/2 ton chevy since maybe 1970, He said
the motors low end lasted longer from no oil contamination and oil was
clean till 10,000 miles. We have enough Ng to not export our money for
energy but make jobs here to keep money here to benefit the US.
Importing hurts everyones standard of living here and makes us
suceptable to conflict. If we didnt need mideast oil there would be no
wars going on, we would not have been there ****ing them off in the
first place.

Read Tboone Pickens initive that he is bankrolling, Ng cars and wind,
wind is free. The real point is we have no energy policy to change the
future.

On Dec 27, 1:39*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
ransley wrote:

What do you drive, a 8mpg, 4wd expedition, Wasting money to drive is
not money you keep or enjoy.

Agreed. I once had a car that got NINE miles to the gallon! It was a Ford
Custom 500 - with a 426 Interceptor engine, 4bbl carb, etc. God, I loved
that car.

Do you agree with giving 700 Billion a
year to our Arab enemies to move our vehicles.

Rest easy. We don't. We get about 15% of our imported oil from the Arab
lands. Most imported oil comes from our Canadian enemies (25%) and a goodly
bit from our Mexican enemies (13%). We also get a surprising amount from our
Nigerian enemies (10%).

And no matter what, with the world population growing, countries like
India and China economies growing and industrializing more, the WORLD
demand for oil will only increase over time. So, I don't see how it
makes much difference where an Arab country sells their oil.
Actually, it's probably better that we buy it instead of China, as it
then gives us at least some influence and relationship with those
countries.





Hybrid is one good
alternative, but until the Gov subsides them they are high priced.

Even if the govt subsidizes them, they are still high priced. The
money has to come from somewhere and if it comes from the govt, then
we all pay it through taxes. Minus of course the usual govt overhead
and waste factor.





700
Billion we could have bought everyone in the world an Iphone, or paid
for insurance, fix our infrastructure, or pay for enough solar to make
a big difference here.

No matter what is done, solar can never make even a tiny difference, let
alone a big one.

I'd like to see an example of a country that has used solar to make a
big difference in their energy consumption profile. Should be easy,
as there are lots of socialist leaning govts, with big govt subsidies,
who are way ahead of the USA in concern for global warming, reducing
fossil fuels, etc. So, where's the example? It would be nice if it
were a country with similar climate to the USA, but I'll take any
country as a start.




Had we spent the $700 billion as you suggest, we could talk to everyone on
the planet as we pedaled our bikes. That would be nice.

On 12/27/2008 10:39 AM HeyBub spake thus:

ransley wrote:

Hybrid is one good alternative, but until the Gov subsides them
they are high priced. 700 Billion we could have bought everyone in
the world an Iphone, or paid for insurance, fix our infrastructure,
or pay for enough solar to make a big difference here.

No matter what is done, solar can never make even a tiny difference, let
alone a big one.

With all due respect, "Bub", you're an idiot.

Forget solar for a sec. Take *wind*: article in today's paper says that
we (the U.S.) could supply 20% of our electrical energy from wind by
2030. (Article:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MN5C14VFGS.DTL
Source for that statement was a DOE report,
http://www.oe.energy.gov/Documentsan..._bindewald.pdf. I take it
you'll accept our own Dep't of Energy as expert enough in this area?)

Covering massive numbers of rooftops with solar systems would *have* to
be able to beat that by at least double. So much for your "tiny difference".

But go right on ahead and keep driving your gas-guzzler and denying that
we can do anything any way but the way we're doing it now.


--
Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the
powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral.

- Paulo Freire

HeyBub wrote:
It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm


To help clarify a few things,
If you have the car turned on. Actually, to clarify things: if
you have the car turned on, the engine is not automatically running.
Power is managed by the 201v traction battery. If you place a load on
the small startup battery, with the car turned on the traction battery
will keep the small startup battery charged. When the traction battery
reaches its low point, the engine will charge up the traction battery
then quit once the traction battery is full. This cycle will repeat
until you're out of gasoline. (Remember, this is a gas car; the only
form of energy that's added to the system is gasoline.)


What you read recently isn't news. People have been powering
refrigerators and sump pumps for some time now using Priuses.

On 12/26/2008 2:00 PM HeyBub spake thus:

It can be done - if you're smug enough.

http://jalopnik.com/5118297/tech+sav...ing-snow-storm

What I took away from this article and the ensuing discussion he

o Yes, marginally interesting & useful.
o But really only practical for getting through a power outage.
o Not really useful or efficient for otherwise powering one's house.
o Only technical error I could see is that odd description of regular
car batteries as "AC Delco". What, everyone in the world buys that
brand of batteries??!?
o Agree with those who suggested the guy would have been better off
putting his food outside in the snow rather than running any kind
of refrigerator. Snow is, like, cold, dude.

The real interesting story here is on the site which one of the
commenters to the article posted a link to: http://www.priups.com, which
shows how to tap the hybrid's propulsion batteries for powering one's home.


--
Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the
powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral.

- Paulo Freire