I am looking to add speakers to the kitchen feed from a stereo
system 20 feet away. I'd like to have the speakers recessed
into the ceiling at a corner in the kitchen.

What are some ideas for wiring this without tearing out too
much sheet rock?

Two-story house, stereo system is built-in to a corner area.
Some speakers are already wired into wall, shortening distance
by ten feet but I'm still unsure of how to get wire to ceiling
for next set of speakers.

Many thanks!

The Ranger

The Ranger wrote:
I am looking to add speakers to the kitchen feed from a stereo
system 20 feet away. I'd like to have the speakers recessed
into the ceiling at a corner in the kitchen.

What are some ideas for wiring this without tearing out too
much sheet rock?

Two-story house, stereo system is built-in to a corner area.
Some speakers are already wired into wall, shortening distance
by ten feet but I'm still unsure of how to get wire to ceiling
for next set of speakers.

Many thanks!

The Ranger


Consider wireless. Less expensive than it was and a lot easier.

Lou

On Dec 23, 8:47*am, "The Ranger" wrote:
I am looking to add speakers to the kitchen feed from a stereo
system 20 feet away. I'd like to have the speakers recessed
into the ceiling at a corner in the kitchen.

What are some ideas for wiring this without tearing out too
much sheet rock?

Two-story house, stereo system is built-in to a corner area.
Some speakers are already wired into wall, shortening distance
by ten feet but I'm still unsure of how to get wire to ceiling
for next set of speakers.

Here's a link that should help:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-eeUJqTh..._retrofit.html

You should also search this group for "fish tape" and "fishing wire".

R

LouB wrote in message
...
The Ranger wrote:
I am looking to add speakers to the kitchen feed from a
stereo system 20 feet away. I'd like to have the speakers
recessed into the ceiling at a corner in the
kitchen.

What are some ideas for wiring this without tearing out too
much sheet rock?

Two-story house, stereo system is built-in to a corner area.
Some speakers are already wired into wall, shortening
distance by ten feet but I'm still unsure of how to get wire
to ceiling for next set of speakers.

Consider wireless. Less expensive than it was and a lot
easier.

Any specific wireless suggestions? I've not seen any
recommended and am intrigued by the "less-mess" this option
offers.

The Ranger

In article dth,
"The Ranger" wrote:

Any specific wireless suggestions? I've not seen any
recommended and am intrigued by the "less-mess" this option
offers.

The Ranger

Which

The Ranger wrote:
LouB wrote in message
...
The Ranger wrote:
I am looking to add speakers to the kitchen feed from a
stereo system 20 feet away. I'd like to have the speakers
recessed into the ceiling at a corner in the
kitchen.

What are some ideas for wiring this without tearing out too
much sheet rock?

Two-story house, stereo system is built-in to a corner area.
Some speakers are already wired into wall, shortening
distance by ten feet but I'm still unsure of how to get wire
to ceiling for next set of speakers.

Consider wireless. Less expensive than it was and a lot
easier.

Any specific wireless suggestions? I've not seen any
recommended and am intrigued by the "less-mess" this option
offers.

The Ranger


Unfortunately, no suggestions due to no experience.

Lou

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:47:58 -0800, The Ranger wrote:

I am looking to add speakers to the kitchen feed from a stereo system 20
feet away. I'd like to have the speakers recessed into the ceiling at a
corner in the kitchen.

What are some ideas for wiring this without tearing out too much sheet
rock?

Two-story house, stereo system is built-in to a corner area. Some
speakers are already wired into wall, shortening distance by ten feet
but I'm still unsure of how to get wire to ceiling for next set of
speakers.

I put a piece of narrow crown molding in the corner where the stereo
system was and ran the wires behind that and up into the attic. Not
completely "hidden" but not unattractive and easy to undo should I want
to.

Wireless speakers still requires power. Power might be a bigger
hassle than speaker wire.

The Ranger wrote:
LouB wrote in message
...
The Ranger wrote:
I am looking to add speakers to the kitchen feed from a
stereo system 20 feet away. I'd like to have the speakers
recessed into the ceiling at a corner in the
kitchen.

What are some ideas for wiring this without tearing out too
much sheet rock?

Two-story house, stereo system is built-in to a corner area.
Some speakers are already wired into wall, shortening
distance by ten feet but I'm still unsure of how to get wire
to ceiling for next set of speakers.

Consider wireless. Less expensive than it was and a lot
easier.

Any specific wireless suggestions? I've not seen any
recommended and am intrigued by the "less-mess" this option
offers.

The Ranger

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:37:42 -0800, "The Ranger"
wrote:

LouB wrote in message
...
The Ranger wrote:
I am looking to add speakers to the kitchen feed from a
stereo system 20 feet away. I'd like to have the speakers
recessed into the ceiling at a corner in the
kitchen.

What are some ideas for wiring this without tearing out too
much sheet rock?

Two-story house, stereo system is built-in to a corner area.
Some speakers are already wired into wall, shortening
distance by ten feet but I'm still unsure of how to get wire
to ceiling for next set of speakers.

Consider wireless. Less expensive than it was and a lot
easier.

Any specific wireless suggestions? I've not seen any
recommended and am intrigued by the "less-mess" this option
offers.

The Ranger

Only problem with installed wireless is you need to get POWER to them.
Generally speaking it is easier to pull speaker wire than power wire -
and it does not need to meet code.
You don't say which way your joists run. If the speaker wires need to
run parallel to the koists, a good "fish tape" will do the job
nicely..

I've also seen light speaker wires installed in a "slot" in the
driwall, which only requires repairing that area. Run the wires above
the drywall between the joists - drop the wire through the driwall,
bury it in the drywall across the joist and punch it back up above the
drywall to run between the joists the rest of the way?

Can't do that with power wires.

Then there is always the foil tape speaker wire. It's like the tape
you put on windows for burglar alarms. Stick it to the drywall and
paint it.

Works good for a hidden FM dipole too.

On Dec 23, 7:47*am, "The Ranger" wrote:
I am looking to add speakers to the kitchen feed from a stereo
system 20 feet away. I'd like to have the speakers recessed
into the ceiling at a corner in the kitchen.

What are some ideas for wiring this without tearing out too
much sheet rock?

Two-story house, stereo system is built-in to a corner area.
Some speakers are already wired into wall, shortening distance
by ten feet but I'm still unsure of how to get wire to ceiling
for next set of speakers.

Many thanks!

The Ranger

This is a good article:

http://www.crutchfield.com/Learn/lea...ll_wiring.html

Also there are a lot of "tricks of the trade" when it comes to
installing wiring into an existing home, the article above discloses
many of them.

This place has a lot of the tools for these tricks:

http://www.hometech.com/hts/


Without a photo its hard to say what is the best (easiest) way to
route the wire. Also for a great deal on in-wall speakers and HDMI
cable check out:

www.monoprice.com

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:47:58 -0800, "The Ranger"
wrote:

I am looking to add speakers to the kitchen feed from a stereo
system 20 feet away. I'd like to have the speakers recessed
into the ceiling at a corner in the kitchen.

What are some ideas for wiring this without tearing out too
much sheet rock?

Two-story house, stereo system is built-in to a corner area.
Some speakers are already wired into wall, shortening distance
by ten feet but I'm still unsure of how to get wire to ceiling
for next set of speakers.

Many thanks!

The Ranger



I put my audio wiring into the crown molding, but base or chair
molding would work too.

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:47:58 -0800, "The Ranger"
wrote:

I am looking to add speakers to the kitchen feed from a stereo
system 20 feet away. I'd like to have the speakers recessed
into the ceiling at a corner in the kitchen.

What are some ideas for wiring this without tearing out too
much sheet rock?

If you have a one-story house, just go up into the attic.

If not, it's more trouble.

Read books on installing burglar alarms. Also note the parts about
flexible bits. I have one that's 6' feet long. Read about snakes,
and how to use two snakes to run a wire. One snake through the hole in
the ceiling and one through the wall. Hmmm. You may have to cut a
little bit of the wall-ceiling jumction out to get past that corner.

You can probably make the speaker hole a little wide in one direction,
to slip the speaker in, and cover it with the grill. Get an
electronic stud finder. They are incredible.

Two-story house, stereo system is built-in to a corner area.

You have a two-story house!

Some speakers are already wired into wall, shortening distance
by ten feet but I'm still unsure of how to get wire to ceiling
for next set of speakers.

Many thanks!

Do you know all about the issues of adding mroe speakers? Some amps
provide for this already, but having A, B, A+B, but even they don't
you can do it outside the amp, and you can put in more speakers than
the amp has outputs for. They sell remote volume controls too, that
is not at the amp but near the speakers.

You probably have 8 ohm outputs from your amp, and you don't want the
load to go below 4 ohms. That's one 8 ohm speaker, or 2 in parallel
for 4. If you have 4 speakers on a channel, you have to have two
parallel sets of two in series. The two in series make 16, but two
sets of that in parallel put it down to 8 again.

If your total impedance is too low, you risk burning out the final
stage of the amp. If you don't know all this already, find out about
it from someone or email me.

The Ranger

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:36:28 -0800 (PST), RicodJour
wrote:


You should also search this group for "fish tape" and "fishing wire".

R

Yeah, when I said snake I think I meant fish tape.

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:50:02 -0800, Bennett Price
""bjpriceNOSPAM\"@NOSPAMcal berkeley.edu" wrote:

Wireless speakers still requires power. Power might be a bigger
hassle than speaker wire.


Better to get the wired speakers, that is, if you want better sound.

on 12/24/2008 7:43 AM (ET) Phisherman wrote the following:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:50:02 -0800, Bennett Price
""bjpriceNOSPAM\"@NOSPAMcal berkeley.edu" wrote:


Wireless speakers still requires power. Power might be a bigger
hassle than speaker wire.



Better to get the wired speakers, that is, if you want better sound.

How come pro singers and band members use wireless mics and speakers on
stage?

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

In article ,
willshak wrote:

on 12/24/2008 7:43 AM (ET) Phisherman wrote the following:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:50:02 -0800, Bennett Price
""bjpriceNOSPAM\"@NOSPAMcal berkeley.edu" wrote:


Wireless speakers still requires power. Power might be a bigger
hassle than speaker wire.



Better to get the wired speakers, that is, if you want better sound.

How come pro singers and band members use wireless mics and speakers on
stage?

Because they aren't trying for better sound in the caverns of the bar,
stadium, or amphitheater ??

On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:31:19 -0500, willshak wrote:

on 12/24/2008 7:43 AM (ET) Phisherman wrote the following:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:50:02 -0800, Bennett Price
""bjpriceNOSPAM\"@NOSPAMcal berkeley.edu" wrote:


Wireless speakers still requires power. Power might be a bigger
hassle than speaker wire.



Better to get the wired speakers, that is, if you want better sound.

How come pro singers and band members use wireless mics and speakers on
stage?

Different issue. They are taking a high quality low-level signal and
sending it wirelessly to expensive, powerful, wall-powered amplifiers.

With wireless speakers used with a good stereo system you are taking a
high quality signal and sending it wirelessly to a speaker with a sub-
standard amplifier (and typically a speaker that's not much better).

Wireless has its place, like the patio or garage or where the stereo
system is not high quality in the first place, but using it with a good
system is a waste. Wireless headphones have the same problem. Since the
sound quality is totally dependent on the electronics inside the phones
there is no point at all in using them on a high quality system.

That isn't to say that high quality wireless cannot nor does not exist,
but the vast majority of it is mid to low grade as far as the sound
quality is concerned.

Phisherman writes:

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:50:02 -0800, Bennett Price
""bjpriceNOSPAM\"@NOSPAMcal berkeley.edu" wrote:

Wireless speakers still requires power. Power might be a bigger
hassle than speaker wire.


Better to get the wired speakers, that is, if you want better sound.

Also consider the privacy issue.

In the summer I use wireless speakers from my computer to speakers at
the pool side. If I don't have my computer broadcasting, the speakers
pick up audio from my neighbors.

If I leave the broadcast unit on (it has no switch)
and play a game or read youtube
everyone in the neighborhood gets to share.

Getting ready to run some wires.

On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:46:46 -0500, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

In article ,
willshak wrote:

on 12/24/2008 7:43 AM (ET) Phisherman wrote the following:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:50:02 -0800, Bennett Price
""bjpriceNOSPAM\"@NOSPAMcal berkeley.edu" wrote:


Wireless speakers still requires power. Power might be a bigger
hassle than speaker wire.



Better to get the wired speakers, that is, if you want better sound.

How come pro singers and band members use wireless mics and speakers on
stage?

Because they aren't trying for better sound in the caverns of the bar,
stadium, or amphitheater ??


And they are not using "consumer" wireless.
Good wireless mics are good. Cheap ones are junk. Same with speakers.

In article ,
mm wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:47:58 -0800, "The Ranger"
wrote:


If your total impedance is too low, you risk burning out the final
stage of the amp. If you don't know all this already, find out about
it from someone or email me.

The Ranger


Well, I bet a *lot* of us have never thought of this parallel impedance
stuff -- other than for physics and engineering exams -- but surely
not re extra speakers on an amp.

So please elaborate all you want -- whatever you'd respond by
email (as offered above), how about putting it here, where we
ALL can see it!

For sure, Ranger-man(?), you make a nice presentation of these
ideas!

THANKS!

David

On Dec 23 2008, 2:23*pm, RickH wrote:
On Dec 23, 7:47*am, "The Ranger" wrote:

I am looking to add speakers to the kitchen feed from a stereo
system 20 feet away. I'd like to have the speakers recessed
into the ceiling at a corner in the kitchen.

What are some ideas for wiring this without tearing out too
much sheet rock?

Two-story house, stereo system is built-in to a corner area.
Some speakers are already wired into wall, shortening distance
by ten feet but I'm still unsure of how to get wire to ceiling
for next set of speakers.

Many thanks!

The Ranger

This is a good article:

http://www.crutchfield.com/Learn/lea...ll_wiring.html

Also there are a lot of "tricks of the trade" when it comes to
installing wiring into an existing home, the article above discloses
many of them.

This place has a lot of the tools for these tricks:

http://www.hometech.com/hts/

Without a photo its hard to say what is the best (easiest) way to
route the wire. *Also for a great deal on in-wall speakers and HDMI
cable check out:

www.monoprice.com

Also for a great deal on in-wall speakers and HDMI cable check
out:

www.monoprice.com

The wall mount for my LCD TV is due to be delivered from monoprice
today.

By far the best deal I could find. Even with the $27 shipping cost the
mount was way cheaper than anything else I could find locally or
elsewhere on-line.

Studfinders, drills and some hand tools are on the menu for tonight.