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Offgassing from vinyl floors vs. laminate floors
I know vinyl flooring offgasses toxins for quite some time, however, is
it like carpet where it stops after a few years or does it continue offgassing for it's whole life. Does laminate flooring (ie: Pergo and such) offgass also? If so, how long does it last (years, decades, forever, etc.). Would vinyl or laminate flooring be worse when it comes to releasing toxins? Thanks, Harry P.S. I know there are other flooring options that are probably better when it comes to offgassing, etc. (ie: linoleum). |
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Harry Muscle wrote:
I know vinyl flooring offgasses toxins for quite some time, however, is it like carpet where it stops after a few years or does it continue offgassing for it's whole life. Does laminate flooring (ie: Pergo and such) offgass also? If so, how long does it last (years, decades, forever, etc.). Would vinyl or laminate flooring be worse when it comes to releasing toxins? Thanks, Harry P.S. I know there are other flooring options that are probably better when it comes to offgassing, etc. (ie: linoleum). I am very sensitive to the outgassing you mention. I installed quite a bit of laminate in the last few years in my home and the residual outgassing was minimal. After a few weeks, I couldn't detect it. The laminate was also very effective in preventing outgassing from the plywood and particle board which happens to be in the subfloor. Jim |
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"Harry Muscle" wrote in message oups.com... I know vinyl flooring offgasses toxins for quite some time, however, is it like carpet where it stops after a few years or does it continue offgassing for it's whole life. Does laminate flooring (ie: Pergo and such) offgass also? If so, how long does it last (years, decades, forever, etc.). Would vinyl or laminate flooring be worse when it comes to releasing toxins? Thanks, Harry P.S. I know there are other flooring options that are probably better when it comes to offgassing, etc. (ie: linoleum). I've install a few 1,000 sf of laminates during the last couple of years. Offgassing I don't notice and don't bother me either but my wife detect it even its sealed in the boxes - about 600 sf - after a year in storage. |
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Although I have no numbers or statistics but I would expect that vinyl,
carpet and laminate outgassing is exponential. Something similar to 50% during the first 100 days, 50% of whats left during the next 100 days, so on and so on. After a period of time the outgassing is so minimal that it could not be detected by most people as it would be down to less than 1% of the original amount. "Harry Muscle" wrote in message oups.com... I know vinyl flooring offgasses toxins for quite some time, however, is it like carpet where it stops after a few years or does it continue offgassing for it's whole life. Does laminate flooring (ie: Pergo and such) offgass also? If so, how long does it last (years, decades, forever, etc.). Would vinyl or laminate flooring be worse when it comes to releasing toxins? Thanks, Harry P.S. I know there are other flooring options that are probably better when it comes to offgassing, etc. (ie: linoleum). |
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We were re-doing a condo for my elderly parents and decided to replace an 8
year old vinyl floor with Mannington click together laminate. It was a sunroom and quite frankly even though the vinyl was 8 years old when the sun came out you could still smell vinyl. Anyway we had it pulled up and the underside reeked of vinyl smell even though it was 8 years old. The replacement Mannington laminate had no smell after a fell days. This is true even though a vapor barrier (I think it was plastic and fiber, definitely made by Mannington too) was installed underneath and you would think that it might give off a bit of gasses for a while. I will never use vinyl flooring in my home. "Harry Muscle" wrote in message oups.com... I know vinyl flooring offgasses toxins for quite some time, however, is it like carpet where it stops after a few years or does it continue offgassing for it's whole life. Does laminate flooring (ie: Pergo and such) offgass also? If so, how long does it last (years, decades, forever, etc.). Would vinyl or laminate flooring be worse when it comes to releasing toxins? Thanks, Harry P.S. I know there are other flooring options that are probably better when it comes to offgassing, etc. (ie: linoleum). |
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Harry Muscle wrote:
I know vinyl flooring offgasses toxins for quite some time, however, is it like carpet where it stops after a few years or does it continue offgassing for it's whole life. Does laminate flooring (ie: Pergo and such) offgass also? If so, how long does it last (years, decades, forever, etc.). Would vinyl or laminate flooring be worse when it comes to releasing toxins? Thanks, Harry P.S. I know there are other flooring options that are probably better when it comes to offgassing, etc. (ie: linoleum). Yes, laminates off-gas too, but as far as I can remember, not nearly as badly (the volumes of volitiles required is considerably less in the production of laminates than vinyls. In terms of off-gassing duration, it will vary from product to product. Michael Halliwell |
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In article .com,
Harry Muscle wrote: I know vinyl flooring offgasses toxins for quite some time, however, is it like carpet where it stops after a few years or does it continue offgassing for it's whole life. Does laminate flooring (ie: Pergo and such) offgass also? If so, how long does it last (years, decades, forever, etc.). Would vinyl or laminate flooring be worse when it comes to releasing toxins? Thanks, Harry P.S. I know there are other flooring options that are probably better when it comes to offgassing, etc. (ie: linoleum). Yes, people are dropping dead left and right in enormous numbers from the deadly flooring and carpet gases. -- Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland |
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Yes, people are dropping dead left and right in enormous numbers from the deadly flooring and carpet gases. You wouldn't believe the gasses you can find in sofa cushions after a couple of years of good use! |
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"Noozer" wrote in message news:ngRJg.491147$iF6.272431@pd7tw2no... Yes, people are dropping dead left and right in enormous numbers from the deadly flooring and carpet gases. You wouldn't believe the gasses you can find in sofa cushions after a couple of years of good use! Them is aromatics to prevent bug infestations. You can clear out entire rooms if done properly. |
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wrote:
In article , Harry Muscle wrote: I know vinyl flooring offgasses toxins for quite some time, however, is it like carpet where it stops after a few years or does it continue offgassing for it's whole life. Does laminate flooring (ie: Pergo and such) offgass also? If so, how long does it last (years, decades, forever, etc.). Would vinyl or laminate flooring be worse when it comes to releasing toxins? Thanks, Harry P.S. I know there are other flooring options that are probably better when it comes to offgassing, etc. (ie: linoleum). Yes, people are dropping dead left and right in enormous numbers from the deadly flooring and carpet gases. Maybe not dropping dead, but it is one of he main reasons why indoor air quality is so much worse than outdoor. |
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Why not spend money on real hardwood flooring? If you decide to sell,
your home will be more attractive to home buyers than those who put in cheap crappy laminate. ~Melanie |
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Offgassing from vinyl floors vs. laminate floors
It might be a big issue for someone with asthma. My wife has that and
we have talked of covering our hardwood junky floors with vinyl. With dogs we have 4 it would be easy clean up. |
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Melanie wrote:
Why not spend money on real hardwood flooring? If you decide to sell, your home will be more attractive to home buyers than those who put in cheap crappy laminate. ~Melanie We have a dog and hardwood floors currently which are getting slowly destroyed by all the running in the house, etc. So we're looking for something more durable (with less maintenance ... ie: no refinishing needed, etc.). Thanks, Harry |
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Offgassing from vinyl floors vs. laminate floors
We have a dog and hardwood floors currently which are getting slowly destroyed by all the running in the house, etc. So we're looking for something more durable (with less maintenance ... ie: no refinishing needed, etc.). Another option, though somewhat expensive (not that hardwood isn't) would be slate...rock is long lasting (providing you're not taking a hammer to it) and doesn't usually require off-gassing (depending on what you use to lay it).br It's not obvious that slate will stand rough use better than properly plasticized hardwood. And when it does take damage, fixing it is a bigger deal. |
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Goedjn wrote:
We have a dog and hardwood floors currently which are getting slowly destroyed by all the running in the house, etc. So we're looking for something more durable (with less maintenance ... ie: no refinishing needed, etc.). Another option, though somewhat expensive (not that hardwood isn't) would be slate...rock is long lasting (providing you're not taking a hammer to it) and doesn't usually require off-gassing (depending on what you use to lay it).<br> It's not obvious that slate will stand rough use better than properly plasticized hardwood. And when it does take damage, fixing it is a bigger deal. true enough... I guess it just depends on what you want most.... no offgassing, minimal offgassing, high durability, moderate durability, ease of repair and so forth. I shouldn't have specified slate....it is just one of many options available for stone flooring. |
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Harry Muscle wrote: I know vinyl flooring offgasses toxins for quite some time, however, is it like carpet where it stops after a few years or does it continue offgassing for it's whole life. Harry: Alarmism to the contrary, this won't hurt you. Smells (often coupled with worry) *can* give people headaches. New car smell used to give me those because I didn't like it. I preferred the 'old car' mixture of gasoline vapors and mildew, probably much more toxic if you analyze it. But there is such a thing as exposure far below the limits of toxicity, despite what the pseudoscientists say. Keep a window open if the smell bothers you. Cordially yours: A. P. M. F. |
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Hi, I've worked as a commercial floor covering installer in a major city in Canada for about 40 years. Linoleum the all natural product made from linseed oil, clay, softwood and cork hasn't had any detrimental health side effects that I can recall. However there seems to be a growing body of evidence that perhaps PVC or vinyl can be harmful at times. There are a few occasions when I have been completely sidelined from the toxic effects of PVC. The very first occurrence was back in 1989 when I brought my brand new 1989 Van home for the first time from the dealership. I only drove it about two or three miles through the city and that night I was violently ill with flu-like symptoms. The following day I was excited to go to work to show off my new truck but unfortunately I was too sick to go. This was from the gassing off of the new PVC dash and front interior panels which were constructed of PVC. I remember being hard it with the gassing-off effect of PVC on particular job where the material (pure PVC) had been wrapped inside and out with a layer of paper. When we unrolled these sheet goods I remember being hit with a blast that left me woozy for the rest of the day. While heat welding seams in PVC flooring with a hand held welding gun I remember being so effected by the fumes caused by the heat that I had to where a respirator to keep from getting sick. Fast forward to July this year and I had been installing a commercial kitchen with abrasive vinyl coved up the wall 4", all week prior to the week that the incident took place. I started welding the flooring material on a Friday and continued on the Monday. Tuesday morning I was too sick with diarrhea to make it in to work and by noon that day I was too weak to get out of bed. That evening I was taken to the hospital to have some tests done. I reported flu-like symptoms no-vomiting though this time, only diarrhea, I had multiple blood samples taken from me, more than I ever remember before, chest x-rays, a digital prostate exam, but they found nothing, only to say it might be a virus? I stayed home for a few days and let my diarrhea clear up, then went back to work to work on the Friday to finish heat welding the seams in the kitchen at the new retirement home. On the following day Saturday, I was too sick with diarrhea again to leave the house. Why? Was I being effected by the toxic effects of the PVC when it is heated and sometimes even burned to a minor degree, while I heat welding the seams? Seems so. On Thursday, August 31, 2006 at 9:58:52 AM UTC-4, Harry Muscle wrote: I know vinyl flooring offgasses toxins for quite some time, however, is it like carpet where it stops after a few years or does it continue offgassing for it's whole life. Does laminate flooring (ie: Pergo and such) offgass also? If so, how long does it last (years, decades, forever, etc.). Would vinyl or laminate flooring be worse when it comes to releasing toxins? Thanks, Harry P.S. I know there are other flooring options that are probably better when it comes to offgassing, etc. (ie: linoleum). |
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