MY 3 year old house built on a concrete slab has a new crack I found
(the 6th one) in the floor of a room where I was removing builder
(Veranda Homes LLC) installed carpet. The crack is 14 feet long and at
one end was a bad patch job that was a 1 1/2 foot hole.
I tapped on the patch area to find that it sounded hollow, then the
patch crumbled.
I found that my slab is only 2-3 inches thick in this area and not the
required 4 inches by building code.
How do I repair this hole?
Builder is uncooperative.House is only 3 years old.
http://verandahomessucks.com/

On Sep 5, 6:03*am, hands on wrote:
MY 3 year old house built on a concrete slab has a new crack I found
(the 6th one) in the floor of a room where I was removing builder
(Veranda Homes LLC) installed carpet. The crack is 14 feet long and at
one end was a bad patch job that was *a 1 1/2 foot hole.
I tapped on the patch area to find that it sounded hollow, then the
patch crumbled.
I found that my slab is only 2-3 inches thick in this area and not the
required 4 inches by building code.
How do I repair this hole?
Builder is uncooperative.House is only 3 years old.http://verandahomessucks.com/

No real advice except perhaps; run, don't walk, away. If they
cheated on the foundation, what else did they do?
A lot of people are in for surprises when the peel back layers of trim
on recently built houses.
For a while my son and his wife had a final cleaning business,
prepping the house for its occupants and at various stages before.
He told me that it was common for builders to hurry the flooring to
hide the cracks as quickly as possible, and these were $350k & up
houses.

On Fri 05 Sep 2008 04:03:30a, hands on told us...

MY 3 year old house built on a concrete slab has a new crack I found
(the 6th one) in the floor of a room where I was removing builder
(Veranda Homes LLC) installed carpet. The crack is 14 feet long and at
one end was a bad patch job that was a 1 1/2 foot hole.
I tapped on the patch area to find that it sounded hollow, then the
patch crumbled.
I found that my slab is only 2-3 inches thick in this area and not the
required 4 inches by building code.
How do I repair this hole?
Builder is uncooperative.House is only 3 years old.
http://verandahomessucks.com/


Dig a deeper hole and pour more concrete.


--
Wayne Boatwright

*******************************************
Date: Friday, 09(IX)/05(V)/08(MMVIII)
*******************************************
Countdown till Veteran's Day
9wks 3dys 18hrs 37mins
*******************************************
Everything's a lie, and that's a fact.
*******************************************

On Sep 5, 8:23*am, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
On Fri 05 Sep 2008 04:03:30a, hands on told us...

MY 3 year old house built on a concrete slab has a new crack I found
(the 6th one) in the floor of a room where I was removing builder
(Veranda Homes LLC) installed carpet. The crack is 14 feet long and at
one end was a bad patch job that was *a 1 1/2 foot hole.
I tapped on the patch area to find that it sounded hollow, then the
patch crumbled.
I found that my slab is only 2-3 inches thick in this area and not the
required 4 inches by building code.
How do I repair this hole?
Builder is uncooperative.House is only 3 years old.
http://verandahomessucks.com/

Dig a deeper hole and pour more concrete.

--
* * * * * * *Wayne Boatwright * * * * * *

*******************************************
Date: Friday, 09(IX)/05(V)/08(MMVIII)
*******************************************
* * * *Countdown till Veteran's Day * * *
* * * * * 9wks 3dys 18hrs 37mins * * * * *
*******************************************
* Everything's a lie, and that's a fact. *
*******************************************

The original concrete was supposed to be fiber reinforced, what kind
should I use to fill the hole?

"hands on" wrote in message
...
MY 3 year old house built on a concrete slab has a new crack I found
(the 6th one) in the floor of a room where I was removing builder
(Veranda Homes LLC) installed carpet. The crack is 14 feet long and at
one end was a bad patch job that was a 1 1/2 foot hole.
I tapped on the patch area to find that it sounded hollow, then the
patch crumbled.
I found that my slab is only 2-3 inches thick in this area and not the
required 4 inches by building code.
How do I repair this hole?
Builder is uncooperative.House is only 3 years old.
http://verandahomessucks.com/


be sure when you pour new cement that you add rebar and tie the foundation
together... kinda like stitches for an open wound.

On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:46:33 -0500, Dave wrote:

"hands on" wrote in message
...
MY 3 year old house built on a concrete slab has a new crack I found
(the 6th one) in the floor of a room where I was removing builder
(Veranda Homes LLC) installed carpet. The crack is 14 feet long and at
one end was a bad patch job that was a 1 1/2 foot hole.
I tapped on the patch area to find that it sounded hollow, then the
patch crumbled.
I found that my slab is only 2-3 inches thick in this area and not the
required 4 inches by building code.
How do I repair this hole?
Builder is uncooperative.House is only 3 years old.
http://verandahomessucks.com/


be sure when you pour new cement that you add rebar and tie the foundation
together... kinda like stitches for an open wound.

Get a lawyer and file formal charges against the builder for your money
back. You will continue having problems with this illegally built home.
Personally, even 4 inches is totally inadequate. It needs to be a minimum
of 6 inches.

YA, good luck with that.... LMAO!


s


"Michael Dobony" wrote in message
...


Get a lawyer and file formal charges against the builder for your money
back. You will continue having problems with this illegally built home.
Personally, even 4 inches is totally inadequate. It needs to be a minimum
of 6 inches.

Why is this funny? A house with code violations has reduced value on
the market, buyer should be compensated for his losses.

nate

On Sep 5, 10:26*am, "Steve Barker DLT"
wrote:
YA, good luck with that.... *LMAO!

s

"Michael Dobony" wrote in message

...





Get a lawyer and file formal charges against the builder for your money
back. *You will continue having problems with this illegally built home.
Personally, even 4 inches is totally inadequate. *It needs to be a minimum
of 6 inches.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Two reasons it's funny:

1. He'll never re-coop his losses from a lawsuit.

2. Should have been watching as it was being built.

s


"N8N" wrote in message
...
Why is this funny? A house with code violations has reduced value on
the market, buyer should be compensated for his losses.

nate

On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:26:47 -0500, Steve Barker DLT wrote:

YA, good luck with that.... LMAO!



Built in violation of code.

s


"Michael Dobony" wrote in message
...


Get a lawyer and file formal charges against the builder for your money
back. You will continue having problems with this illegally built home.
Personally, even 4 inches is totally inadequate. It needs to be a minimum
of 6 inches.

On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:17:06 -0500, Steve Barker DLT wrote:

Two reasons it's funny:

1. He'll never re-coop his losses from a lawsuit.

Why not? He will also loose his investment in this house with such a
shabby foundation. Walls will have major cracking and will not appreciate
in value. Op will have a difficult time selling if he does not get this
dealt with immediately.

2. Should have been watching as it was being built.


You are assuming he ordered the house. Many builders build and then sell.
Can't do much about that. It is still built in violation of the building
code. The contractor is in jeopardy of loosing his license if this goes to
court.

s


"N8N" wrote in message
...
Why is this funny? A house with code violations has reduced value on
the market, buyer should be compensated for his losses.

nate

On Sep 5, 11:29*am, Michael Dobony wrote:
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:17:06 -0500, Steve Barker DLT wrote:
Two reasons it's funny:

1. He'll never re-coop his losses from a lawsuit.

Why not? *He will also loose his investment in this house with such a
shabby foundation. *Walls will have major cracking and will not appreciate
in value. *Op will have a difficult time selling if he does not get this
dealt with immediately.

2. Should have been watching as it was being built.

You are assuming he ordered the house. *Many builders build and then sell.
Can't do much about that. *It is still built in violation of the building
code. *The contractor is in jeopardy of loosing his license if this goes to
court. *

s

"N8N" wrote in message
....
Why is this funny? *A house with code violations has reduced value on
the market, buyer should be compensated for his losses.

nate

I have a structural engineer coming today to give me formal evaluation
for legal proceedings with builder and town that okd the slab
inspection.

"Steve Barker DLT" wrote in message
...
Two reasons it's funny:

1. He'll never re-coop his losses from a lawsuit.


With lawsuits you'll never know which way it goes, but if the OP is in a
strong consumer state with strong consumer laws, OP has a good chance to
recoup, perhaps many times the actual lost. He could go after the builder,
general contractor, concrete contractor, permit department and the
structural engineer/architect who signed off the plans. All the above
entities are deep pockets with million dollar liability, errors and omission
insurance policies.


2. Should have been watching as it was being built.

City inspectors supose to do that for you.


s


"N8N" wrote in message
...
Why is this funny? A house with code violations has reduced value on
the market, buyer should be compensated for his losses.

nate

"hands on" wrote in message
...
On Sep 5, 8:23 am, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
On Fri 05 Sep 2008 04:03:30a, hands on told us...

MY 3 year old house built on a concrete slab has a new crack I found
(the 6th one) in the floor of a room where I was removing builder
(Veranda Homes LLC) installed carpet. The crack is 14 feet long and at
one end was a bad patch job that was a 1 1/2 foot hole.
I tapped on the patch area to find that it sounded hollow, then the
patch crumbled.
I found that my slab is only 2-3 inches thick in this area and not the
required 4 inches by building code.
How do I repair this hole?
Builder is uncooperative.House is only 3 years old.
http://verandahomessucks.com/

Dig a deeper hole and pour more concrete.

--
Wayne Boatwright

*******************************************
Date: Friday, 09(IX)/05(V)/08(MMVIII)
*******************************************
Countdown till Veteran's Day
9wks 3dys 18hrs 37mins
*******************************************
Everything's a lie, and that's a fact.
*******************************************

The original concrete was supposed to be fiber reinforced, what kind
should I use to fill the hole?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


My fiber reinforced concrete slab cracked after 10 years, the contractor
should have used rebars. I would just get a few bags of premixed concrete
either regular, high strength or fiber reinforced and it doesn't make all
that much difference. Make sure the earth is well compacted, I would make
the new pour 6" deep, throw a generous amount of rebar all around with tie
wires and pin it to the existing slab to anchor it in place.

hands on wrote:

MY 3 year old house built on a concrete slab has a new crack I found
(the 6th one) in the floor of a room where I was removing builder
(Veranda Homes LLC) installed carpet. The crack is 14 feet long and at
one end was a bad patch job that was a 1 1/2 foot hole.
I tapped on the patch area to find that it sounded hollow, then the
patch crumbled.
I found that my slab is only 2-3 inches thick in this area and not the
required 4 inches by building code.
How do I repair this hole?
Builder is uncooperative.House is only 3 years old.
http://verandahomessucks.com/


Is this part of a complex of homes? Neighbors have problems? Slab
poured by sub-contractor?

Have you written to the builder? County/state construction boards and
licensing boards?

If ever there was a case for calling in the cavalry, this sounds like
one.....attorney, prosecutor, etc.

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:42:54 -0400, Norminn
wrote:


Have you written to the builder? County/state construction boards and
licensing boards?

If ever there was a case for calling in the cavalry, this sounds like
one.....attorney, prosecutor, etc.




Agree completely.

On Sep 5, 3:24*pm, grasshopper wrote:
On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:42:54 -0400, Norminn
wrote:



Have you written to the builder? *County/state construction boards and
licensing boards?

If ever there was a case for calling in the cavalry, this sounds like
one.....attorney, prosecutor, etc.

Agree completely.

I contacted the builder, this was his response to my letting him know
I had another crack and I wanted him to buy back my home-
"My attorney will be in touch to discuss all your accusations and
libelous statements. Any offer will be contingent on current actions
in place."
As you can see I am not dealing with a concerned person.

hands on wrote:

On Sep 5, 3:24 pm, grasshopper wrote:


On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:42:54 -0400, Norminn
wrote:





Have you written to the builder? County/state construction boards and
licensing boards?


If ever there was a case for calling in the cavalry, this sounds like
one.....attorney, prosecutor, etc.


Agree completely.



I contacted the builder, this was his response to my letting him know
I had another crack and I wanted him to buy back my home-
"My attorney will be in touch to discuss all your accusations and
libelous statements. Any offer will be contingent on current actions
in place."
As you can see I am not dealing with a concerned person.


I would do nothing to make further repairs to the slab. Write a
business-like letter listing with
precise wording describing the defects. Send it certified mail, with cc
to state construction
board if you have one, local building code authority. Of course a good
attorney would be my first
choice if I had the $ and expected better conduct from one than from
builder. )

On Sep 5, 8:38*pm, Norminn wrote:
hands on wrote:
On Sep 5, 3:24 pm, grasshopper wrote:

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:42:54 -0400, Norminn
wrote:

Have you written to the builder? *County/state construction boards and
licensing boards?

If ever there was a case for calling in the cavalry, this sounds like
one.....attorney, prosecutor, etc.

Agree completely.

I contacted the builder, this was his response to my letting him know
I had another crack and I wanted him to buy back my home-
"My attorney will be in touch to discuss all your accusations and
libelous statements. Any offer will be contingent on current actions
in place."
As you can see I am not dealing with a concerned person.

I would do nothing to make further repairs to the slab. *Write a
business-like letter listing with
precise wording describing the defects. *Send it certified mail, with cc
to state construction
board if you have one, local building code authority. *Of course a good
attorney would be my first
choice if I had the $ and expected better conduct from one than from
builder. )

I told my builder I had a structural engineer evaluate my house and he
found my home was not built to specs in the building plans.
The guy could care less.

hands on wrote:
On Sep 5, 8:38 pm, Norminn wrote:
hands on wrote:
On Sep 5, 3:24 pm, grasshopper wrote:
On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:42:54 -0400, Norminn
wrote:
Have you written to the builder? County/state construction boards and
licensing boards?
If ever there was a case for calling in the cavalry, this sounds like
one.....attorney, prosecutor, etc.
Agree completely.
I contacted the builder, this was his response to my letting him know
I had another crack and I wanted him to buy back my home-
"My attorney will be in touch to discuss all your accusations and
libelous statements. Any offer will be contingent on current actions
in place."
As you can see I am not dealing with a concerned person.
I would do nothing to make further repairs to the slab. Write a
business-like letter listing with
precise wording describing the defects. Send it certified mail, with cc
to state construction
board if you have one, local building code authority. Of course a good
attorney would be my first
choice if I had the $ and expected better conduct from one than from
builder. )

I told my builder I had a structural engineer evaluate my house and he
found my home was not built to specs in the building plans.
The guy could care less.

get a lawyer. make him care.

nate