Over the weekend, the wife and I put on Cabot 1407 opaque oil-based
stain on the floor of the deck. At the recommendation of the person
who recommended the stuff to her at Lowe's, she now wants to put on
Thompson's watersealer. Is this necessary? Cabot claims to be
waterproof.

On Jul 21, 8:31*am, wrote:
Over the weekend, the wife and I put on Cabot 1407 opaque oil-based
stain on the floor of the deck. At the recommendation of the person
who recommended the stuff to her at Lowe's, she now wants to put on
Thompson's watersealer. Is this necessary? Cabot claims to be
waterproof.

Over the years, Thompson's products have gotten poor reviews from
Consumer Reports and contributors to this NG. Check out the archives
and then decide, but if you take a salesclerk's advice over the
experience of many more qualified people, you may be quite
disappointed. HTH

Joe

On Jul 21, 8:31*am, wrote:
Over the weekend, the wife and I put on Cabot 1407 opaque oil-based
stain on the floor of the deck. At the recommendation of the person
who recommended the stuff to her at Lowe's, she now wants to put on
Thompson's watersealer. Is this necessary? Cabot claims to be
waterproof.

Is this an exterior deck, is the Cabots a just a stain or exterior
deck treatment. Thompsons is maybe the worst product made, call cabots
and just use their products to finish the job. Thompsons was so bad
Consumer Reports dropped it off their long term test years ago,
Thompsons has wax in it, wax will give you adhesion issues over the
years when you redo the deck again.

I agree that Thompsons is not a quality product. I use Cabots Decking
stain and it works well applied as the manufacturer directs.

wrote:
Over the weekend, the wife and I put on Cabot 1407 opaque oil-based
stain on the floor of the deck. At the recommendation of the person
who recommended the stuff to her at Lowe's, she now wants to put on
Thompson's watersealer. Is this necessary? Cabot claims to be
waterproof.

Sorry to hear Cabots is now available in big box stores. I have
previously had good results with Cabot products. I wonder how much the
quality has gone down?

Thompsoms watersealer is testimony that if you market something
intensively even if it is the most useless concoction made people will
believe it works. Their "watersealer" is a complete waste of time.

George wrote:
wrote:

Over the weekend, the wife and I put on Cabot 1407 opaque oil-based
stain on the floor of the deck. At the recommendation of the person
who recommended the stuff to her at Lowe's, she now wants to put on
Thompson's watersealer. Is this necessary? Cabot claims to be
waterproof.


Sorry to hear Cabots is now available in big box stores. I have
previously had good results with Cabot products. I wonder how much the
quality has gone down?

Thompsoms watersealer is testimony that if you market something
intensively even if it is the most useless concoction made people will
believe it works. Their "watersealer" is a complete waste of time.
Thompson's is little more than paraffin. I used it once almost 20 years
ago and still regret it.

Cabot used to be a good product. I hope it still is.

My worry is that the big box stores seem to be able to convince
manufacturers to cheapen a product yet still retain the branding of
their formerly good product.

on 7/21/2008 3:17 PM Boden said the following:
George wrote:
wrote:

Over the weekend, the wife and I put on Cabot 1407 opaque oil-based
stain on the floor of the deck. At the recommendation of the person
who recommended the stuff to her at Lowe's, she now wants to put on
Thompson's watersealer. Is this necessary? Cabot claims to be
waterproof.


Sorry to hear Cabots is now available in big box stores. I have
previously had good results with Cabot products. I wonder how much
the quality has gone down?

Thompsoms watersealer is testimony that if you market something
intensively even if it is the most useless concoction made people
will believe it works. Their "watersealer" is a complete waste of time.
Thompson's is little more than paraffin. I used it once almost 20
years ago and still regret it.

Cabot used to be a good product. I hope it still is.

My worry is that the big box stores seem to be able to convince
manufacturers to cheapen a product yet still retain the branding of
their formerly good product.

The big box stores get their profit from volume retail selling, which
also benefits the manufacturers for their volume wholesale selling, and
therefore, are willing to lower their wholesale prices to those big box
stores.
I've bought the same color Cabots from a small hardware/paint store and
also from the big box stores (Lowes). They are no different in quality
that I noticed.
BTW, the small stores, with their small storage areas, usually only
carry the Cabots base, and they have to tint it with the final color.
The big box stores carry the color stain already mixed.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
in the original Orange County
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

willshak wrote:
on 7/21/2008 3:17 PM Boden said the following:
George wrote:
wrote:

Over the weekend, the wife and I put on Cabot 1407 opaque oil-based
stain on the floor of the deck. At the recommendation of the person
who recommended the stuff to her at Lowe's, she now wants to put on
Thompson's watersealer. Is this necessary? Cabot claims to be
waterproof.


Sorry to hear Cabots is now available in big box stores. I have
previously had good results with Cabot products. I wonder how much
the quality has gone down?

Thompsoms watersealer is testimony that if you market something
intensively even if it is the most useless concoction made people
will believe it works. Their "watersealer" is a complete waste of time.
Thompson's is little more than paraffin. I used it once almost 20
years ago and still regret it.

Cabot used to be a good product. I hope it still is.

My worry is that the big box stores seem to be able to convince
manufacturers to cheapen a product yet still retain the branding of
their formerly good product.

The big box stores get their profit from volume retail selling, which
also benefits the manufacturers for their volume wholesale selling, and
therefore, are willing to lower their wholesale prices to those big box
stores.

If it were only that simple. Quite often when the big box stores get to
be the major seller of something they name the price they will pay for a
product. Then the manufacturer has only two choices (three actually),
Become benevolent, stop selling or cheapen the product to meet the big
box price offer.

I've bought the same color Cabots from a small hardware/paint store and
also from the big box stores (Lowes). They are no different in quality
that I noticed.
BTW, the small stores, with their small storage areas, usually only
carry the Cabots base, and they have to tint it with the final color.
The big box stores carry the color stain already mixed.

on 7/21/2008 6:04 PM George said the following:
willshak wrote:
on 7/21/2008 3:17 PM Boden said the following:
George wrote:
wrote:

Over the weekend, the wife and I put on Cabot 1407 opaque oil-based
stain on the floor of the deck. At the recommendation of the person
who recommended the stuff to her at Lowe's, she now wants to put on
Thompson's watersealer. Is this necessary? Cabot claims to be
waterproof.


Sorry to hear Cabots is now available in big box stores. I have
previously had good results with Cabot products. I wonder how much
the quality has gone down?

Thompsoms watersealer is testimony that if you market something
intensively even if it is the most useless concoction made people
will believe it works. Their "watersealer" is a complete waste of
time.
Thompson's is little more than paraffin. I used it once almost 20
years ago and still regret it.

Cabot used to be a good product. I hope it still is.

My worry is that the big box stores seem to be able to convince
manufacturers to cheapen a product yet still retain the branding of
their formerly good product.

The big box stores get their profit from volume retail selling, which
also benefits the manufacturers for their volume wholesale selling,
and therefore, are willing to lower their wholesale prices to those
big box stores.

If it were only that simple. Quite often when the big box stores get
to be the major seller of something they name the price they will pay
for a product. Then the manufacturer has only two choices (three
actually), Become benevolent, stop selling or cheapen the product to
meet the big box price offer.

You meant stop selling to the big box stores, right?
The big box stores can contract the manufacturer to have them make a
cheaper version of the product, but I doubt that the manufacturer will
want their name on a cheaper product. Ergo, Store brands.


I've bought the same color Cabots from a small hardware/paint store
and also from the big box stores (Lowes). They are no different in
quality that I noticed.
BTW, the small stores, with their small storage areas, usually only
carry the Cabots base, and they have to tint it with the final color.
The big box stores carry the color stain already mixed.



--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
in the original Orange County
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

George wrote:

If it were only that simple. Quite often when the big box stores get
to be the major seller of something they name the price they will pay
for a product. Then the manufacturer has only two choices (three
actually), Become benevolent, stop selling or cheapen the product to
meet the big box price offer.

Here's a link to the story of why Snapper quit selling to Walmart. It's
documentation for your point.

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/...tml?page=0%2C0

--
Steve Bell
New Life Home Improvement
Arlington, TX

On Jul 21, 6:14*pm, "SteveB" wrote:
George wrote:
If it were only that simple. Quite often when the big box stores get
to be the major seller of something they name the price they will pay
for a product. Then the manufacturer has only two choices (three
actually), Become benevolent, stop selling or cheapen the product to
meet the big box price offer.

Here's a link to the story of why Snapper quit selling to Walmart. It's
documentation for your point.

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/...tml?page=0%2C0

--
Steve Bell
New Life Home Improvement
Arlington, TX

A fascinating and fair article...thanks, Steve.

Joe

Unnecessary to add the Thomsons.

But I think you will regret the solid color stain despite Consumer Reports
test results. It must be removed to recoat. Tell me how do you do that?


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Over the weekend, the wife and I put on Cabot 1407 opaque oil-based
stain on the floor of the deck. At the recommendation of the person
who recommended the stuff to her at Lowe's, she now wants to put on
Thompson's watersealer. Is this necessary? Cabot claims to be
waterproof.

willshak wrote:
on 7/21/2008 6:04 PM George said the following:
willshak wrote:
on 7/21/2008 3:17 PM Boden said the following:
George wrote:
wrote:

Over the weekend, the wife and I put on Cabot 1407 opaque oil-based
stain on the floor of the deck. At the recommendation of the person
who recommended the stuff to her at Lowe's, she now wants to put on
Thompson's watersealer. Is this necessary? Cabot claims to be
waterproof.


Sorry to hear Cabots is now available in big box stores. I have
previously had good results with Cabot products. I wonder how much
the quality has gone down?

Thompsoms watersealer is testimony that if you market something
intensively even if it is the most useless concoction made people
will believe it works. Their "watersealer" is a complete waste of
time.
Thompson's is little more than paraffin. I used it once almost 20
years ago and still regret it.

Cabot used to be a good product. I hope it still is.

My worry is that the big box stores seem to be able to convince
manufacturers to cheapen a product yet still retain the branding of
their formerly good product.

The big box stores get their profit from volume retail selling, which
also benefits the manufacturers for their volume wholesale selling,
and therefore, are willing to lower their wholesale prices to those
big box stores.

If it were only that simple. Quite often when the big box stores get
to be the major seller of something they name the price they will pay
for a product. Then the manufacturer has only two choices (three
actually), Become benevolent, stop selling or cheapen the product to
meet the big box price offer.

You meant stop selling to the big box stores, right?

Yes

The big box stores can contract the manufacturer to have them make a
cheaper version of the product, but I doubt that the manufacturer will
want their name on a cheaper product. Ergo, Store brands.


The cheapened version of the product doesn't necessarily need to be a
store brand. In some cases if they want to keep selling to the big box
they have to cheapen their branded product.




I've bought the same color Cabots from a small hardware/paint store
and also from the big box stores (Lowes). They are no different in
quality that I noticed.
BTW, the small stores, with their small storage areas, usually only
carry the Cabots base, and they have to tint it with the final color.
The big box stores carry the color stain already mixed.

Actually we had to replace the floor of the deck. The reason we went
with opaque was that the whole deck had been painted. In the future
we are hoping to be moving to another State.

On Jul 23, 11:07*pm, "Art" wrote:
Unnecessary to add the Thomsons.

But I think you will regret the solid color stain despite Consumer Reports
test results. *It must be removed to recoat. *Tell me how do you do that?

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