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I have a GFI installed at our lily pool. The pumps are the only things
running off it. I ran a line out to my tool shed and according to the instructions for the GFI, the shed should also be protected by the GFI. The other day I went out to the tool shed, the grass was wet with dew and I was just wearing house slippers, I suspect my feet were slightly damp. I grabbed the power cord of a battery charger to unplug it. Apparently mice had chewed the insulation on the cord and I grabbed the bare wire and got knocked on my butt. Why didn't the GFI protect me? ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:39:35 -0500, "Patch"
wrote: I have a GFI installed at our lily pool. The pumps are the only things running off it. I ran a line out to my tool shed and according to the instructions for the GFI, the shed should also be protected by the GFI. The other day I went out to the tool shed, the grass was wet with dew and I was just wearing house slippers, I suspect my feet were slightly damp. I grabbed the power cord of a battery charger to unplug it. Apparently mice had chewed the insulation on the cord and I grabbed the bare wire and got knocked on my butt. Why didn't the GFI protect me? You are still alive, right? |
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On Jun 29, 2:39*pm, "Patch" wrote:
I have a GFI installed at our lily pool. The pumps are the only things running off it. I ran a line out to my tool shed and according to the instructions for the GFI, the shed should also be protected by the GFI. The other day I went out to the tool shed, the grass was wet with dew and I was just wearing house slippers, I suspect my feet were slightly damp. I grabbed the power cord of a battery charger to unplug it. Apparently mice had chewed the insulation on the cord and I grabbed the bare wire and got knocked on my butt. Why didn't the GFI protect me? ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com** The GFI works on the unbalance of current between live and neutral. Ground may not come into it at all (despite the GFI designation). So suggestion: Maybe you touched both live and neutral wires that the mice had chewed so as be bare, simultaneously and electric current went through your hand but live and neutral currents being balanced, it did not trip the GFI? However if current went from your hand through your body to the damp ground it's a good question; one would think that would be an unbalanced current that would trip the GFI? Also could anyone comment on the amount of current through human body! Even a few milliamps, not enough or fast enough to trip the GFI could shock?????? Assuming, although not stated, for the moment this is typical North American/Mexico etc. 115 volts circuit etc. Not European style 230 volts etc. |
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"Patch" wrote in message ... I have a GFI installed at our lily pool. The pumps are the only things running off it. I ran a line out to my tool shed and according to the instructions for the GFI, the shed should also be protected by the GFI. The other day I went out to the tool shed, the grass was wet with dew and I was just wearing house slippers, I suspect my feet were slightly damp. I grabbed the power cord of a battery charger to unplug it. Apparently mice had chewed the insulation on the cord and I grabbed the bare wire and got knocked on my butt. Why didn't the GFI protect me? It might be defective. Try pushing the test button and see what happens. Did you wire the line coming from the GFI to the shed using the LOAD terminals? |
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On Jun 29, 11:39*am, "Patch" wrote:
I have a GFI installed at our lily pool. The pumps are the only things running off it. I ran a line out to my tool shed and according to the instructions for the GFI, the shed should also be protected by the GFI. The other day I went out to the tool shed, the grass was wet with dew and I was just wearing house slippers, I suspect my feet were slightly damp. I grabbed the power cord of a battery charger to unplug it. Apparently mice had chewed the insulation on the cord and I grabbed the bare wire and got knocked on my butt. Why didn't the GFI protect me? ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com** Is it made in China? |
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"Patch" wrote in message ... I have a GFI installed at our lily pool. The pumps are the only things running off it. I ran a line out to my tool shed and according to the instructions for the GFI, the shed should also be protected by the GFI. The other day I went out to the tool shed, the grass was wet with dew and I was just wearing house slippers, I suspect my feet were slightly damp. I grabbed the power cord of a battery charger to unplug it. Apparently mice had chewed the insulation on the cord and I grabbed the bare wire and got knocked on my butt. Why didn't the GFI protect me? ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** Two possibilities: The GFCI is defective, or GFCI devices trip when a fault current is leaked to ground. If the hot and neutral wires were bare, and you touched only them, and no ground, you'll simply stand there and fry, and the GFCI won't do a thing for you |
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Patch wrote:
I have a GFI installed at our lily pool. The pumps are the only things running off it. I ran a line out to my tool shed and according to the instructions for the GFI, the shed should also be protected by the GFI. The other day I went out to the tool shed, the grass was wet with dew and I was just wearing house slippers, I suspect my feet were slightly damp. I grabbed the power cord of a battery charger to unplug it. Apparently mice had chewed the insulation on the cord and I grabbed the bare wire and got knocked on my butt. Why didn't the GFI protect me? Did the GFI trip? If so, it did protect you - you got a 4 msec jolt instead of lying there twitching until someone noticed you hadn't come down for breakfast. |
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On 6/29/2008 9:39 AM Patch spake thus:
I have a GFI installed at our lily pool. The pumps are the only things running off it. I ran a line out to my tool shed and according to the instructions for the GFI, the shed should also be protected by the GFI. The other day I went out to the tool shed, the grass was wet with dew and I was just wearing house slippers, I suspect my feet were slightly damp. I grabbed the power cord of a battery charger to unplug it. Apparently mice had chewed the insulation on the cord and I grabbed the bare wire and got knocked on my butt. Why didn't the GFI protect me? I can't believe nobody asked the obvious question he is the outlet wired correctly? You say you "ran a line out to my tool shed" off the GFCI outlet, and everyone assumed you did this correctly; did you? In order to protect things "downstream" of the outlet, those things have to be connected to the "load" connections of the GFCI device. If you just wired the shed into the "line" side, nothing on that line will be protected. -- "Wikipedia ... it reminds me ... of dogs barking idiotically through endless nights. It is so bad that a sort of grandeur creeps into it. It drags itself out of the dark abyss of pish, and crawls insanely up the topmost pinnacle of posh. It is rumble and bumble. It is flap and doodle. It is balder and dash." - With apologies to H. L. Mencken |
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David Nebenzahl wrote: On 6/29/2008 9:39 AM Patch spake thus: I have a GFI installed at our lily pool. The pumps are the only things running off it. I ran a line out to my tool shed and according to the instructions for the GFI, the shed should also be protected by the GFI. The other day I went out to the tool shed, the grass was wet with dew and I was just wearing house slippers, I suspect my feet were slightly damp. I grabbed the power cord of a battery charger to unplug it. Apparently mice had chewed the insulation on the cord and I grabbed the bare wire and got knocked on my butt. Why didn't the GFI protect me? I can't believe nobody asked the obvious question he is the outlet wired correctly? You say you "ran a line out to my tool shed" off the GFCI outlet, and everyone assumed you did this correctly; did you? In order to protect things "downstream" of the outlet, those things have to be connected to the "load" connections of the GFCI device. If you just wired the shed into the "line" side, nothing on that line will be protected. John Grabowski's reply included that question, six hours ago. Perhaps his post hasn't made it to you yet. |
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On 6/29/2008 6:22 PM Smitty Two spake thus:
In article , David Nebenzahl wrote: I can't believe nobody asked the obvious question he is the outlet wired correctly? You say you "ran a line out to my tool shed" off the GFCI outlet, and everyone assumed you did this correctly; did you? In order to protect things "downstream" of the outlet, those things have to be connected to the "load" connections of the GFCI device. If you just wired the shed into the "line" side, nothing on that line will be protected. John Grabowski's reply included that question, six hours ago. Perhaps his post hasn't made it to you yet. Ah, yes, there it is: my bad. 5 lashes with a wet noodle for me. -- "Wikipedia ... it reminds me ... of dogs barking idiotically through endless nights. It is so bad that a sort of grandeur creeps into it. It drags itself out of the dark abyss of pish, and crawls insanely up the topmost pinnacle of posh. It is rumble and bumble. It is flap and doodle. It is balder and dash." - With apologies to H. L. Mencken |
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David Nebenzahl wrote: On 6/29/2008 9:39 AM Patch spake thus: I have a GFI installed at our lily pool. The pumps are the only things running off it. I ran a line out to my tool shed and according to the instructions for the GFI, the shed should also be protected by the GFI. The other day I went out to the tool shed, the grass was wet with dew and I was just wearing house slippers, I suspect my feet were slightly damp. I grabbed the power cord of a battery charger to unplug it. Apparently mice had chewed the insulation on the cord and I grabbed the bare wire and got knocked on my butt. Why didn't the GFI protect me? I can't believe nobody asked the obvious question he is the outlet wired correctly? You say you "ran a line out to my tool shed" off the GFCI outlet, and everyone assumed you did this correctly; did you? In order to protect things "downstream" of the outlet, those things have to be connected to the "load" connections of the GFCI device. If you just wired the shed into the "line" side, nothing on that line will be protected. John Grabowski's reply included that question, six hours ago. Perhaps his post hasn't made it to you yet. IMO since the OP hasn't come back even and hasn't answered any of the questions they rate being asked again so he'll see them and realize answers should be forthcoming. IMO it's all been said til he responds. |
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on 6/30/2008 10:49 AM TWayne said the following:
In article , David Nebenzahl wrote: On 6/29/2008 9:39 AM Patch spake thus: I have a GFI installed at our lily pool. The pumps are the only things running off it. I ran a line out to my tool shed and according to the instructions for the GFI, the shed should also be protected by the GFI. The other day I went out to the tool shed, the grass was wet with dew and I was just wearing house slippers, I suspect my feet were slightly damp. I grabbed the power cord of a battery charger to unplug it. Apparently mice had chewed the insulation on the cord and I grabbed the bare wire and got knocked on my butt. Why didn't the GFI protect me? I can't believe nobody asked the obvious question he is the outlet wired correctly? You say you "ran a line out to my tool shed" off the GFCI outlet, and everyone assumed you did this correctly; did you? In order to protect things "downstream" of the outlet, those things have to be connected to the "load" connections of the GFCI device. If you just wired the shed into the "line" side, nothing on that line will be protected. John Grabowski's reply included that question, six hours ago. Perhaps his post hasn't made it to you yet. IMO since the OP hasn't come back even and hasn't answered any of the questions they rate being asked again so he'll see them and realize answers should be forthcoming. IMO it's all been said til he responds. Maybe he touched the bare wires again with more dire consequences. Someone should call 911! :-) -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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