As we go out to celebrate our freedom this
4th of July, let's go over a few things to
make your celebration a success.

Before leaving home make sure you check the
color coded Homeland Security alert status.
Be especially careful if it is orange or red.
Don't worry about yellow. It's always yellow.

Be aware of your surroundings at all times.
New Yorkers, in particular, watch out for
those pesky mushroom clouds.

Don't use any illegal fireworks in your 4th
Celebration. It is for your own safety. And
the founding father's implemented a government
to protect you from yourselves. Didn't they?
Besides, fireworks are explosive devices and
you might be considered a terrorist with
weapons of mass destruction. And although the
government can't find any in Iraq, you can rest
assured they will find them in your car trunk.
But don't worry, getting arrested, imprisoned
indefinitely without formal charges, and a 5
year wait before the secret tribunal trial per
the Patriot Act is a breeze. It's that secret
summary execution that should make you nervous.

Make sure you are buckled up in your seat belts,
there will be roadblocks and checkpoints to
make sure you comply. It is for the children.

If you are an airline employee, lighten up for
the holiday, you can always look for a job
tomorrow. Maybe you could transfer over to a
Federal Airport Security Screener job. Big
demand for those jobs and you don't have to
be smart.

If you are a Haliburton employee, then celebrate,
you probably have a raise coming from the Iraqi
contract windfall.

If celebrating on any public property,
make no mention or relgious ideals.
Government is god there.
You will be aprehended.

Have your papers ready as you approach the
holiday police checkpoints.

Don't criticize the President or other government
officials, you might be in violation of the
Patriot Act and considered a possible terrorist.

Don't mention the Constitution in any district
court or you could be held in contempt.

If your children get out of line this holiday,
do not discipline them, or they may be kidnapped
by the Dept. of Social Services and held hostage
until you receive approved psychological therapy
and are deemed acceptable.

Show compassion this Independence Day by
bringing an illegal immigrant to your celebration
or by hugging a tree.

If an election is occurring in your locality
within the next 90 days, do not talk about or
publicly support any candidate, as that is no
longer lawful. Keep your mouth shut.

If an officer asks to search your vehicle at
the "seat belt" checks, do not be belligerent
and demand a search warrant. Standing up for
your fourth amendment rights is anti-social and
not in tune with the new American way. Are you
with Al Quada or something?

Do not get upset when the searching officer
will not help you pick up your belongings that
he has strewn all over the highway as he searched
your vehicle. It is not in his job description
and complaining will get you charged with
obstructing justice.

Keep your guns at home. You are not going
hunting and besides, What on earth do guns have
to do with American Independence? Better yet,
turn your guns into the authorities to let them
know that you are a true patriotic American.

Better yet, just STAY at home. BUT do not
assume that you are safe, because you are at
home. If a government bureaucrat shows up at your
home, he will probably be flashing a badge at you.
This makes him look like a constitutional law
enforcement officer. He may even be armed. Do not
ask to see a warrant, and then tell him to leave
if he does not have one. They will put a siege
around your house. If you do not come out soon
enough, they may invade, with guns drawn, or
even set your house on fire.

For more information, do a search using keywords
like "Symbionese Liberation Army", "Philadelphia
MOVE group", "Gordon Kahl", "The Order", "Robert
Matthews", "Covenant of the Sword and Arm of the
Lord", "Randy Weaver" , "Branch Davidian", or
"Elian Gonzalez".

If you are counting on you congressman to protect
you, understand that the average congressman is
ALSO afraid to resist. For more information, do
a search using keywords like "George Hanson" ,
"James Trafficant" or "Larry McDonald".

If celebrating at the mall in Washington DC. you
are probably safe as the mall is now monitored
by hundreds of surveillance cameras, watched by
federal security forces. Don't do anything that
you wouldn't want them to see.

Bring lots of cash with you, there will be many
taxes, fines, and fees to pay as you celebrate
your freedoms this day.

Do not leave home without your driver's license,
social security card, birth certificate, welfare
card, medicare card, medical records, W-2 Form,
and two others forms of ID. You may be asked
for them at the police checkpoints.

Better yet, get micro-chipped, and avoid the
hassle of carrying around your papers.

Bring your library card, the FBI may ask you
for it.

Do not put any "anti-government" bumper stickers
on your car. Especially not anything about the
right to keep and bear arms. Police have been
trained by the FBI in "bumper sticker profiling".
This attracts their attention at the check
points, and makes you look like a terrorist.

With regard to "bumper sticker profiling" you
should be especially aware of the fact that
"They will get my gun, when they pry it from
my cold dead fingers" is no longer mere
semantics. At WACO, and at RUBY RIDGE, we
learned that they WILL kill you to take your guns

ALSO, be careful not to have any unauthorized
THOUGHTS. There are now serious penalties for
"thought crime". Be aware that "civil forfeiture"
laws make it possible to take anything that you
own, by alleging that it was "intended" to be
used for the commission of a crime. This could
include transporting or storing a gun.
If "civil forfeiture" proceedings are initiated
against you, then you will have the burden of
proof, to show that your thoughts were in
compliance with government standards.

If traveling by air this Independence Day, do
not give the airport screeners a hard time.
They are feeling you up and molesting your
daughter and wife for the security of America.
If you complain you could be arrested. You
don't support Bin Laden do you?

Keep an eye on your fellow Americans as you
celebrate this 4th of July. If you see anything
supicious, take notes so that when you get
home you can call and report them to the
Homeland Security Office. And remember you a
re not a nosey snitch, you are a great
American Patriot.

Do not mention the signers of the Declaration
of Independence this 4th of July. Mentioning
these white subversive terrorists is not
popular and could get you in big trouble.
Besides what do these guys have to do with
the 4th of July anyway?

Do not leave home without one or more little
plastic American flags made by political
slaves in Communist China. Make sure you
have one flying from the antennae of your
vehicle. You don't want to seem un-American
do you?

Do not take a copy of the Declaration of
Independence with you as it advocates the
overthrow of tyrannical government. It is
a terrorist document and will be confiscated
at the holiday police checkpoints. Same
advice for the Constitution.

And remember, as you leave home for your 4th
of July outing, that the second you stepped
out of your door that you probably broke
hundreds of federal, state, and local laws
that you are probably unaware of. However,
if you toe the line, you will not be charged.

Don't even think about taxes on this great
day. The 50 per cent government confiscation
of your income at the threat of imprisonment
or at the point of a gun should not even cross
your mind as you revel in your freedom. After
all, April 15th is a long way off.

And whatever you do, do not let on that you
really know that true freedom died a long time
ago in America, just have fun for the day and
then go home and stick your head back in the
sand and pretend America is not becoming a
socialist police state.

Now go out there and celebrate your freedom and
liberty and have a great sanitized, politically correct, and government
approved and authorized
Independence Day!

If you have a few decades with nothing better to
do, study up on "administrative law". Laws are now made by the unelected
bureaucrats, in hundreds
of "administrative agencies". If you are charged
with violating one of these "laws" you will not
get a trial by a jury of your peers. You will be tried by the agency that
made the charge.

I hope this message gets past the Department of
Homeland security approved internet filter.
How else can they protect us from unauthorized thought?

Now go out and celebrate your independence and have
a great Independence Day!

=====

HOMELAND SECURITY ADVISORY
This transmission screened prior to receipt by
addressee pursuant to applicable sections of the USA PATRIOT Act.

I want to make sure we retain these freedoms.
Who should I vote for this fall?

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
As we go out to celebrate our freedom this
4th of July, let's go over a few things to
make your celebration a success.

Before leaving home make sure you check the
color coded Homeland Security alert status.
Be especially careful if it is orange or red.
Don't worry about yellow. It's always yellow.

Be aware of your surroundings at all times.
New Yorkers, in particular, watch out for
those pesky mushroom clouds.

Don't use any illegal fireworks in your 4th
Celebration. It is for your own safety. And
the founding father's implemented a government
to protect you from yourselves. Didn't they?
Besides, fireworks are explosive devices and
you might be considered a terrorist with
weapons of mass destruction. And although the
government can't find any in Iraq, you can rest
assured they will find them in your car trunk.
But don't worry, getting arrested, imprisoned
indefinitely without formal charges, and a 5
year wait before the secret tribunal trial per
the Patriot Act is a breeze. It's that secret
summary execution that should make you nervous.

Make sure you are buckled up in your seat belts,
there will be roadblocks and checkpoints to
make sure you comply. It is for the children.

If you are an airline employee, lighten up for
the holiday, you can always look for a job
tomorrow. Maybe you could transfer over to a
Federal Airport Security Screener job. Big
demand for those jobs and you don't have to
be smart.

If you are a Haliburton employee, then celebrate,
you probably have a raise coming from the Iraqi
contract windfall.

If celebrating on any public property,
make no mention or relgious ideals.
Government is god there.
You will be aprehended.

Have your papers ready as you approach the
holiday police checkpoints.

Don't criticize the President or other government
officials, you might be in violation of the
Patriot Act and considered a possible terrorist.

Don't mention the Constitution in any district
court or you could be held in contempt.

If your children get out of line this holiday,
do not discipline them, or they may be kidnapped
by the Dept. of Social Services and held hostage
until you receive approved psychological therapy
and are deemed acceptable.

Show compassion this Independence Day by
bringing an illegal immigrant to your celebration
or by hugging a tree.

If an election is occurring in your locality
within the next 90 days, do not talk about or
publicly support any candidate, as that is no
longer lawful. Keep your mouth shut.

If an officer asks to search your vehicle at
the "seat belt" checks, do not be belligerent
and demand a search warrant. Standing up for
your fourth amendment rights is anti-social and
not in tune with the new American way. Are you
with Al Quada or something?

Do not get upset when the searching officer
will not help you pick up your belongings that
he has strewn all over the highway as he searched
your vehicle. It is not in his job description
and complaining will get you charged with
obstructing justice.

Keep your guns at home. You are not going
hunting and besides, What on earth do guns have
to do with American Independence? Better yet,
turn your guns into the authorities to let them
know that you are a true patriotic American.

Better yet, just STAY at home. BUT do not
assume that you are safe, because you are at
home. If a government bureaucrat shows up at your
home, he will probably be flashing a badge at you.
This makes him look like a constitutional law
enforcement officer. He may even be armed. Do not
ask to see a warrant, and then tell him to leave
if he does not have one. They will put a siege
around your house. If you do not come out soon
enough, they may invade, with guns drawn, or
even set your house on fire.

For more information, do a search using keywords
like "Symbionese Liberation Army", "Philadelphia
MOVE group", "Gordon Kahl", "The Order", "Robert
Matthews", "Covenant of the Sword and Arm of the
Lord", "Randy Weaver" , "Branch Davidian", or
"Elian Gonzalez".

If you are counting on you congressman to protect
you, understand that the average congressman is
ALSO afraid to resist. For more information, do
a search using keywords like "George Hanson" ,
"James Trafficant" or "Larry McDonald".

If celebrating at the mall in Washington DC. you
are probably safe as the mall is now monitored
by hundreds of surveillance cameras, watched by
federal security forces. Don't do anything that
you wouldn't want them to see.

Bring lots of cash with you, there will be many
taxes, fines, and fees to pay as you celebrate
your freedoms this day.

Do not leave home without your driver's license,
social security card, birth certificate, welfare
card, medicare card, medical records, W-2 Form,
and two others forms of ID. You may be asked
for them at the police checkpoints.

Better yet, get micro-chipped, and avoid the
hassle of carrying around your papers.

Bring your library card, the FBI may ask you
for it.

Do not put any "anti-government" bumper stickers
on your car. Especially not anything about the
right to keep and bear arms. Police have been
trained by the FBI in "bumper sticker profiling".
This attracts their attention at the check
points, and makes you look like a terrorist.

With regard to "bumper sticker profiling" you
should be especially aware of the fact that
"They will get my gun, when they pry it from
my cold dead fingers" is no longer mere
semantics. At WACO, and at RUBY RIDGE, we
learned that they WILL kill you to take your guns

ALSO, be careful not to have any unauthorized
THOUGHTS. There are now serious penalties for
"thought crime". Be aware that "civil forfeiture"
laws make it possible to take anything that you
own, by alleging that it was "intended" to be
used for the commission of a crime. This could
include transporting or storing a gun.
If "civil forfeiture" proceedings are initiated
against you, then you will have the burden of
proof, to show that your thoughts were in
compliance with government standards.

If traveling by air this Independence Day, do
not give the airport screeners a hard time.
They are feeling you up and molesting your
daughter and wife for the security of America.
If you complain you could be arrested. You
don't support Bin Laden do you?

Keep an eye on your fellow Americans as you
celebrate this 4th of July. If you see anything
supicious, take notes so that when you get
home you can call and report them to the
Homeland Security Office. And remember you a
re not a nosey snitch, you are a great
American Patriot.

Do not mention the signers of the Declaration
of Independence this 4th of July. Mentioning
these white subversive terrorists is not
popular and could get you in big trouble.
Besides what do these guys have to do with
the 4th of July anyway?

Do not leave home without one or more little
plastic American flags made by political
slaves in Communist China. Make sure you
have one flying from the antennae of your
vehicle. You don't want to seem un-American
do you?

Do not take a copy of the Declaration of
Independence with you as it advocates the
overthrow of tyrannical government. It is
a terrorist document and will be confiscated
at the holiday police checkpoints. Same
advice for the Constitution.

And remember, as you leave home for your 4th
of July outing, that the second you stepped
out of your door that you probably broke
hundreds of federal, state, and local laws
that you are probably unaware of. However,
if you toe the line, you will not be charged.

Don't even think about taxes on this great
day. The 50 per cent government confiscation
of your income at the threat of imprisonment
or at the point of a gun should not even cross
your mind as you revel in your freedom. After
all, April 15th is a long way off.

And whatever you do, do not let on that you
really know that true freedom died a long time
ago in America, just have fun for the day and
then go home and stick your head back in the
sand and pretend America is not becoming a
socialist police state.

Now go out there and celebrate your freedom and
liberty and have a great sanitized, politically correct, and government
approved and authorized
Independence Day!

If you have a few decades with nothing better to
do, study up on "administrative law". Laws are now made by the unelected
bureaucrats, in hundreds
of "administrative agencies". If you are charged
with violating one of these "laws" you will not
get a trial by a jury of your peers. You will be tried by the agency that
made the charge.

I hope this message gets past the Department of
Homeland security approved internet filter.
How else can they protect us from unauthorized thought?

Now go out and celebrate your independence and have
a great Independence Day!

=====

HOMELAND SECURITY ADVISORY
This transmission screened prior to receipt by
addressee pursuant to applicable sections of the USA PATRIOT Act.


As a final footnote: Buy a fifth on the third for the fourth.

George Washington for President.

On the left, your choices are a Muslim, and a socialist. Not really sure
about McSame.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message
. ..
I want to make sure we retain these freedoms.
Who should I vote for this fall?

Stormin Mormon wrote:
George Washington for President.

On the left, your choices are a Muslim, and a socialist. Not really
sure about McSame.

There are still five months to go. Obama, at the rate he's changing, may be
quite acceptable by then.

I loved his comments on gun control: He's for an individual right to bear
arms and he's for a community's right to regulate guns. But what happens
when they disagree? He's silent so far.

In law school, a required course is "Conflict of Laws," which deals with the
obvious case where one law says you MUST and another says you CAN'T. He
evidently flunked that class.

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:42:07 -0400, Frank
frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote:

I want to make sure we retain these freedoms.
Who should I vote for this fall?

It doesn't matter who, but it is important you vote for SOMEONE.

That makes it easier for them to blame you while torturing you and
your family. If you don't vote, they can keep you in a
maximum-security prison for 300 years instead of just 200 (and the
guards actually help with the ass-rapings instead of ignoring the
inmates).

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:09:38 -0400, "Charlie Bress"
wrote:


"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
As we go out to celebrate our freedom this
4th of July, let's go over a few things to
make your celebration a success.


[snip]


Now go out and celebrate your independence and have
a great Independence Day!

=====

HOMELAND SECURITY ADVISORY
This transmission screened prior to receipt by
addressee pursuant to applicable sections of the USA PATRIOT Act.


As a final footnote: Buy a fifth on the third for the fourth.


The third is "National Air-Conditioning Appreciation Day".

Stormin Mormon wrote:
George Washington for President.

On the left, your choices are a Muslim, and a socialist. Not really sure
about McSame.


BobBarr 2008!!!

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in
:

George Washington for President.

On the left, your choices are a Muslim, and a socialist. Not really sure
about McSame.


Think who would be better for national defense,better for the economy,and
who would nominate reasonable Supreme Court Justices.
Obama is the MOST leftist of all the Congress. McCain is midstream compared
to Obama.
Obama's Inexperienced with a capital I,too,and totally wrong for the most
important job in the world.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Chuck wrote in
:

Stormin Mormon wrote:
George Washington for President.

On the left, your choices are a Muslim, and a socialist. Not really
sure about McSame.


BobBarr 2008!!!


is a vote for Obama.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
George Washington for President.

On the left, your choices are a Muslim, and a socialist. Not really
sure about McSame.

There are still five months to go. Obama, at the rate he's changing, may
be quite acceptable by then.

I loved his comments on gun control: He's for an individual right to bear
arms and he's for a community's right to regulate guns. But what happens
when they disagree? He's silent so far.

In law school, a required course is "Conflict of Laws," which deals with
the obvious case where one law says you MUST and another says you CAN'T.
He evidently flunked that class.
Is that really different from my right to own an automobile while the state
has the right to control who can drive it?

Charlie Bress wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
George Washington for President.

On the left, your choices are a Muslim, and a socialist. Not really
sure about McSame.

There are still five months to go. Obama, at the rate he's changing,
may be quite acceptable by then.

I loved his comments on gun control: He's for an individual right to
bear arms and he's for a community's right to regulate guns. But
what happens when they disagree? He's silent so far.

In law school, a required course is "Conflict of Laws," which deals
with the obvious case where one law says you MUST and another says
you CAN'T. He evidently flunked that class.

Is that really different from my right to own an automobile while the
state has the right to control who can drive it?

The difference is that you don't have a Constitutional right to own a car.
Nor is their any Constitutional "right" to drive. Driving is considered a
privilege.

--
Dave www.davebbq.com

What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Chuck wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
George Washington for President.

On the left, your choices are a Muslim, and a socialist. Not really
sure about McSame.


BobBarr 2008!!!

Now that you mention it, Bob Barr with a shave, a wig and wooden teeth
would look like George Washington

In article ,
"Charlie Bress" wrote:


Is that really different from my right to own an automobile while the state
has the right to control who can drive it?

The state has no right to control who. They say they have a right to
limit who drives on their highways and under what circumstances. Anyone
can let their kid drive the car around their own property all they want
to.

In article ,
"Dave Bugg" wrote:


The difference is that you don't have a Constitutional right to own a car.
Nor is their any Constitutional "right" to drive. Driving is considered a
privilege.

And you are driving on their roads. Ownership by a public entity still
means ownership.

"Dave Bugg" wrote in
:

Charlie Bress wrote:


Is that really different from my right to own an automobile while the
state has the right to control who can drive it?

State controls WHERE you drive it.
You can drive a car on your own private properry without any state
intrusion.(I have,when I was 16,no DL)
At any age. You can own a car at any age.

The difference is that you don't have a Constitutional right to own a
car.

Uh,there's a basic right to own property.Cars are property.
there's no right you are entitled to one.

Nor is their any Constitutional "right" to drive. Driving is
considered a privilege.




--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

I wonder, sometimes. How would Christopher A. Young do, as president. I'd
likely be assassinated by people after I cut federal spending.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
...
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in
:

George Washington for President.

On the left, your choices are a Muslim, and a socialist. Not really sure
about McSame.


Think who would be better for national defense,better for the economy,and
who would nominate reasonable Supreme Court Justices.
Obama is the MOST leftist of all the Congress. McCain is midstream compared
to Obama.
Obama's Inexperienced with a capital I,too,and totally wrong for the most
important job in the world.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in
:

I wonder, sometimes. How would Christopher A. Young do, as president.
I'd likely be assassinated by people after I cut federal spending.


That's hard to do without Congress supporting you.And they won't.
Also,cutting Federal programs means cutting Federal JOBS,and those people
will do everything possible to screw you.
That's why DemocRAT social programs get such great support;they mean more
Federal jobs with great benefits,great vacation time,and superb job
security.

They don't produce anything except paperwork,and nobody measures their
effectiveness.

at least with military spending,we get good hardware,and National security.
It's also one of the clearly defined jobs (job #1;IMO)of the Government.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

In article ,
Jim Yanik wrote:

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in
:

I wonder, sometimes. How would Christopher A. Young do, as president.
I'd likely be assassinated by people after I cut federal spending.


That's hard to do without Congress supporting you.And they won't.
Veto everything and let God sort it out. The way Congress is now,
anyone who can't get 10-12 people in their party to support the veto has
more problems than just spending.

Douglas Johnson wrote:
Jim Yanik wrote:


Obama's Inexperienced with a capital I,too,and totally wrong for the
most important job in the world.

There was another fella from Illinois with even less experience. He
did pretty well. -- Doug

If you're thinking of Dan Rostenkowski, 36 years in Congress, Chairman of
the Ways and Means Committee, you're right. 'Course he went to prison.

If you're thinking of that tall, lanky fellow who lead one side in the
Second War of Independence (or, as we Southerners sometimes call it "The
Recent Unpleasantness"), he was solely responsible for the deaths of more
Americans than in all the other wars we've ever fought. I'd say his tenure
was "mixed."

"HeyBub" wrote:

If you're thinking of Dan Rostenkowski, 36 years in Congress, Chairman of
the Ways and Means Committee, you're right. 'Course he went to prison.

He's not the guy. Danny did pretty well for himself, at least 'til he got
caught. But 36 years is a little more experience than Obama.


If you're thinking of that tall, lanky fellow

That's the guy. Beard, suffered from depression. Got shot.

who lead one side in the
Second War of Independence (or, as we Southerners sometimes call it "The
Recent Unpleasantness"),

Or the ever-popular "War of Northern Aggression".

he was solely responsible for the deaths of more
Americans than in all the other wars we've ever fought. I'd say his tenure
was "mixed."

660,000 fine young men. Based on relative populations, well over 6,000,000
today. Gawd! Can you imagine that? All wars are nasty. Civil wars are the
nastiest.

But it's hard to call him "solely responsible". At least one other person could
have ended it -- that Jefferson fellow from Mississippi. There was a large cast
of characters with secondary responsibility from Lieutenant Henry S. Farley, who
opened fire on Fort Sumter, to Lee, Grant, Jackson, and Sherman.

-- Doug

Douglas Johnson wrote in
:

Jim Yanik wrote:


Obama's Inexperienced with a capital I,too,and totally wrong for the
most important job in the world.

There was another fella from Illinois with even less experience. He
did pretty well. -- Doug


not in today's world and global politics.

also Abe was honest and had character. Obama has neither.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Douglas Johnson wrote in
:

Jim Yanik wrote:

You can own a car at any age.

Nope. You need to be an adult (18) to own things. Especially things
with titles and deeds. -- Doug


Bullcrap! *I* owned my own car at 16.
Young celebs have bought their own homes before 18.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
...
Douglas Johnson wrote in
:

Jim Yanik wrote:

You can own a car at any age.

Nope. You need to be an adult (18) to own things. Especially things
with titles and deeds. -- Doug


Not true. My neighbors were killed in a car crash and their 8 year old
daughter inherited everything. Her grandparents moved into the house to care
for her, but legally the house, cars, other property belongs to Jenny. The
mortgage is paid out of the trust in her name, and her grandparents are the
trustees. Now if she wanted to sell it prior to turning 18 she might have a
problem, but her name is the only one on the deed.

Jim Yanik wrote:

Douglas Johnson wrote in
:

Jim Yanik wrote:

You can own a car at any age.

Nope. You need to be an adult (18) to own things. Especially things
with titles and deeds. -- Doug


Bullcrap! *I* owned my own car at 16.

I stand partially corrected. http://www.carinsurance.com/kb/content35051.aspx
It seems to vary from state to state. Many states seem to allow it with parents
consent.

-- Doug

In article , "h"
wrote:

Not true. My neighbors were killed in a car crash and their 8 year old
daughter inherited everything. Her grandparents moved into the house to care
for her, but legally the house, cars, other property belongs to Jenny. The
mortgage is paid out of the trust in her name, and her grandparents are the
trustees. Now if she wanted to sell it prior to turning 18 she might have a
problem, but her name is the only one on the deed.

I'd be willing to bet that the stuff is owned by the Estate of the
parents or a trust in the kid's name until she turns 18. The deed
probably says the trust is the owner.

In article , "h"
wrote:


I happen to know that's not true, because I witnessed some of the paperwork
when the notary recorded all the changes. We're in the boonies and I'm the
closest neighbor. The notary lives down the road and makes house calls.
Absolutely everything (property) is in Jenny's name alone, even the house.
Apparently you can own anything prior to turning 18, you just can't enter
into a legal contract (there are parental consent exceptions). So, Jenny
owns the house, but the trust is named on the mortgage, since she can't
assume that debt until she turns 18. Bottom line is that she has all of the
assets and none of the responsibility for those assets, at least for the
next 7 years.

Interesting. I stand corrected. Not the first time, doubtful the last.

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
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In article , "h"
wrote:

Not true. My neighbors were killed in a car crash and their 8 year old
daughter inherited everything. Her grandparents moved into the house to
care
for her, but legally the house, cars, other property belongs to Jenny.
The
mortgage is paid out of the trust in her name, and her grandparents are
the
trustees. Now if she wanted to sell it prior to turning 18 she might have
a
problem, but her name is the only one on the deed.

I'd be willing to bet that the stuff is owned by the Estate of the
parents or a trust in the kid's name until she turns 18. The deed
probably says the trust is the owner.

I happen to know that's not true, because I witnessed some of the paperwork
when the notary recorded all the changes. We're in the boonies and I'm the
closest neighbor. The notary lives down the road and makes house calls.
Absolutely everything (property) is in Jenny's name alone, even the house.
Apparently you can own anything prior to turning 18, you just can't enter
into a legal contract (there are parental consent exceptions). So, Jenny
owns the house, but the trust is named on the mortgage, since she can't
assume that debt until she turns 18. Bottom line is that she has all of the
assets and none of the responsibility for those assets, at least for the
next 7 years.

Lift your shirt. I have a wet scrub brush in my hand.

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