Hello Everyone,

I need to install a swipe card lock for the front door of my house. I
do not know of any good models or much about these locks period. I was
wondering if anyone could tell me of any reliable models. I need one
that is reliable, would look good on a front door, and could handle
many people using it on a daily basis.

Does anyone have one of these locks on their door?

The only model I have been able to find is:
http://www.lock-depot.com/Scripts/pr...?idproduct=154 . I don't
know much about it however and wont purchase it unless I wont find any
better alternatives.

If anyone could help me out or give me some input I would much
appreciate it.

On Jan 29, 10:36�pm, Aleksey wrote:
Hello Everyone,

I need to install a swipe card lock for the front door of my house. I
do not know of any good models or much about these locks period. I was
wondering if anyone could tell me of any reliable models. I need one
that is reliable, would look good on a front door, and could handle
many people using it on a daily basis.

Does anyone have one of these locks on their door?

The only model I have been able to find is:http://www.lock-depot.com/Scripts/pr...?idproduct=154. I don't
know much about it however and wont purchase it unless I wont find any
better alternatives.

If anyone could help me out or give me some input I would much
appreciate it.

there are ones that detect the presence of a key fob like device, get
near the lock it opens instantly, and for those without a fob a
touchpad can give them access too.

" wrote:

On Jan 29, 10:36�pm, Aleksey wrote:
Hello Everyone,

I need to install a swipe card lock for the front door of my house. I
do not know of any good models or much about these locks period. I was
wondering if anyone could tell me of any reliable models. I need one
that is reliable, would look good on a front door, and could handle
many people using it on a daily basis.

Does anyone have one of these locks on their door?

The only model I have been able to find is:http://www.lock-depot.com/Scripts/pr...?idproduct=154. I don't
know much about it however and wont purchase it unless I wont find any
better alternatives.

If anyone could help me out or give me some input I would much
appreciate it.

there are ones that detect the presence of a key fob like device, get
near the lock it opens instantly, and for those without a fob a
touchpad can give them access too.

Absolutely you want a non contact proximity card / fob type system and
mount the reader head relatively low so with the card or fob in your
pocket you can just bump the reader when your hands are full with
groceries or whatnot.

Does anyone have one of these locks on their door?

This one sounds good to me.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/gadgetfreak/77af/

In article , Aleksey wrote:
Hello Everyone,

I need to install a swipe card lock for the front door of my house. I
do not know of any good models or much about these locks period. I was
wondering if anyone could tell me of any reliable models. I need one
that is reliable, would look good on a front door, and could handle
many people using it on a daily basis.

Does anyone have one of these locks on their door?

The only model I have been able to find is:
http://www.lock-depot.com/Scripts/pr...?idproduct=154 . I don't
know much about it however and wont purchase it unless I wont find any
better alternatives.

Try asking this question in alt.locksmithing. You'll likely get some
intelligent advice there. Pay attention to whatever Roger Shoaf says;
he's usually right on target ;-)


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"Pete C." wrote in
:

" wrote:

On Jan 29, 10:36�pm, Aleksey wrote:
Hello Everyone,

I need to install a swipe card lock for the front door of my house.
I do not know of any good models or much about these locks period.
I was wondering if anyone could tell me of any reliable models. I
need one that is reliable, would look good on a front door, and
could handle many people using it on a daily basis.

Does anyone have one of these locks on their door?

The only model I have been able to find
is:http://www.lock-depot.com/Scripts/pr...?idproduct=154. I
don't know much about it however and wont purchase it unless I wont
find any better alternatives.

If anyone could help me out or give me some input I would much
appreciate it.

there are ones that detect the presence of a key fob like device, get
near the lock it opens instantly, and for those without a fob a
touchpad can give them access too.

passive RFID chips.


Absolutely you want a non contact proximity card / fob type system and
mount the reader head relatively low so with the card or fob in your
pocket you can just bump the reader when your hands are full with
groceries or whatnot.


OTOH, a fingerprint-reader lock can't get lost.
(or left -inside- when you close the door and it locks behind you.=Aws#!t.)
AFAIK,you can program several person's FPs into them.

Swipe cards(magnetic stripe) can be COPIED just like thieves do with credit
cards.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Cindy Hamilton wrote in
:

On Jan 29, 10:36*pm, Aleksey wrote:
Hello Everyone,

I need to install a swipe card lock for the front door of my house. I
do not know of any good models or much about these locks period. I
was wondering if anyone could tell me of any reliable models. I need
one that is reliable, would look good on a front door, and could
handle many people using it on a daily basis.

Does anyone have one of these locks on their door?

The only model I have been able to find
is:http://www.lock-depot.com/Scrip
ts/prodView.asp?idproduct=154. I don't
know much about it however and wont purchase it unless I wont find
any better alternatives.

If anyone could help me out or give me some input I would much
appreciate it.

Is there a locksmith in your town that you could visit and talk to?
Not all wisdom is available on the Internet.

Cindy Hamilton

OTOH,a locksmith may have a vested interest in selling you a system HE
benefits from,if you don't have some initial basic info and ideas.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jim Yanik wrote:

"Pete C." wrote in
:

" wrote:

On Jan 29, 10:36�pm, Aleksey wrote:
Hello Everyone,

I need to install a swipe card lock for the front door of my house.
I do not know of any good models or much about these locks period.
I was wondering if anyone could tell me of any reliable models. I
need one that is reliable, would look good on a front door, and
could handle many people using it on a daily basis.

Does anyone have one of these locks on their door?

The only model I have been able to find
is:http://www.lock-depot.com/Scripts/pr...?idproduct=154. I
don't know much about it however and wont purchase it unless I wont
find any better alternatives.

If anyone could help me out or give me some input I would much
appreciate it.

there are ones that detect the presence of a key fob like device, get
near the lock it opens instantly, and for those without a fob a
touchpad can give them access too.

passive RFID chips.


Absolutely you want a non contact proximity card / fob type system and
mount the reader head relatively low so with the card or fob in your
pocket you can just bump the reader when your hands are full with
groceries or whatnot.


OTOH, a fingerprint-reader lock can't get lost.
(or left -inside- when you close the door and it locks behind you.=Aws#!t.)
AFAIK,you can program several person's FPs into them.

Swipe cards(magnetic stripe) can be COPIED just like thieves do with credit
cards.

Fingerprint readers are slow, vulnerable to vandals, and can be defeated
in several ways. Prox card / fob readers hide nicely under vinyl siding
or trim so vandals can't even find them.

Smitty Two wrote:
In article
,
Cindy Hamilton wrote:

Not all wisdom is available on the Internet.

I don't think wisdom is available anywhere at any price, grasshopper.
But as far as information, the World Wide Web is the clearance aisle of
Wal-Mart, packaged primarily for a stunningly dumb audience.

OTOH, the internet at large (of which the WWW might be 1%, but I'm
guessing) contains a vast wealth of information, unseen by most.
Virtually everything that's ever been published in any medium, in any
language, anywhere in the world, at any time, is on the internet
somewhere.

Uh, actually NOT. An amazing amount of (mostly old) data, publications,
records, etc, has not been and likely never WILL be digitized. It simply
fails the cost-bennies test of how often it is likely to ever be
accessed. Digitizing old data is expensive, if it only exists in
hardcopy. And stuff under current copyright is often not available at
all. There are projects out there to digitize public-domain old stuff
before it vanishes, or titles the authors and publishers donate to the
cause. But it is only a tiny volume of the works published in last 20
years, much less the last 200 or 2000.

I know better, having grown up using actual paper libraries, and still
have to fight to avoid the syndrome of 'if it isn't on Google, it
doesn't exist'. Teachers are reporting it as endemic among the younger
set- to them a keyboard and a screen is their ONLY portal to recorded
storehouses of knowledge. Spending a day in the stacks, much less using
an old-style physical card catalog, would bore them to tears.

aem sends...

aemeijers wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:
In article
,
Cindy Hamilton wrote:

Not all wisdom is available on the Internet.

I don't think wisdom is available anywhere at any price, grasshopper.
But as far as information, the World Wide Web is the clearance aisle of
Wal-Mart, packaged primarily for a stunningly dumb audience.

OTOH, the internet at large (of which the WWW might be 1%, but I'm
guessing) contains a vast wealth of information, unseen by most.
Virtually everything that's ever been published in any medium, in any
language, anywhere in the world, at any time, is on the internet
somewhere.

Uh, actually NOT. An amazing amount of (mostly old) data, publications,
records, etc, has not been and likely never WILL be digitized. It simply
fails the cost-bennies test of how often it is likely to ever be
accessed. Digitizing old data is expensive, if it only exists in
hardcopy. And stuff under current copyright is often not available at
all. There are projects out there to digitize public-domain old stuff
before it vanishes, or titles the authors and publishers donate to the
cause. But it is only a tiny volume of the works published in last 20
years, much less the last 200 or 2000.

I know better, having grown up using actual paper libraries, and still
have to fight to avoid the syndrome of 'if it isn't on Google, it
doesn't exist'. Teachers are reporting it as endemic among the younger
set- to them a keyboard and a screen is their ONLY portal to recorded
storehouses of knowledge. Spending a day in the stacks, much less using
an old-style physical card catalog, would bore them to tears.

aem sends...

You'd be surprised, as I was at some of the data available in electronic
form. I needed service information for the Kohler engine in my lawn
mower. I looked on the Kohler site and found info listed for newer
models, but nothing for my old one. I did the "contact us" email form
thing with the engine model and serial number info, not really expecting
much, this was about 3pm central time. About 9:15am the next day I got
an email from Kohler with links to the full owners and service manuals
in PDF form... and this was for a 32 year old engine! It's amazing how
good some companies are.

doesn't exist'. Teachers are reporting it as endemic among the younger
set- to them a keyboard and a screen is their ONLY portal to recorded
storehouses of knowledge. Spending a day in the stacks, much less using an
old-style physical card catalog, would bore them to tears.

The reality of most libraries is that they just don't have reasonable
coverage.

Even some college (and most Jr. College) libraries just don't have much
coverage.

For folks in World Class cities (NY, Chicago, London, ...) there are
libraries that definitely would compete with the internet. Perhaps some
medium sized cities (Pittsburgh, Washington Public Library) have 1/2 good
coverage in the main branch. (Of course, DC is the Library of Congress).

Most high school and below libraries are somewhat of a joke. But if you
can find a good book it will definitely beat the "net" in the area it does
cover.

If you have a specific problem and you want to find some information on it,
the typical library will just not have much help. But if you just want to
write a term paper you can just pick a topic that's "covered" by the library
you have.

aem sends...

"Pete C." wrote:

About 9:15am the next day I got
an email from Kohler with links to the full owners and service manuals
in PDF form... and this was for a 32 year old engine! It's amazing how
good some companies are.

Mercury Marine has done this for their outboard motors dating back to the 50s...

Pete C. wrote:
aemeijers wrote:
Smitty Two wrote:
In article
,
Cindy Hamilton wrote:

Not all wisdom is available on the Internet.
I don't think wisdom is available anywhere at any price, grasshopper.
But as far as information, the World Wide Web is the clearance aisle of
Wal-Mart, packaged primarily for a stunningly dumb audience.

OTOH, the internet at large (of which the WWW might be 1%, but I'm
guessing) contains a vast wealth of information, unseen by most.
Virtually everything that's ever been published in any medium, in any
language, anywhere in the world, at any time, is on the internet
somewhere.
Uh, actually NOT. An amazing amount of (mostly old) data, publications,
records, etc, has not been and likely never WILL be digitized. It simply
fails the cost-bennies test of how often it is likely to ever be
accessed. Digitizing old data is expensive, if it only exists in
hardcopy. And stuff under current copyright is often not available at
all. There are projects out there to digitize public-domain old stuff
before it vanishes, or titles the authors and publishers donate to the
cause. But it is only a tiny volume of the works published in last 20
years, much less the last 200 or 2000.

I know better, having grown up using actual paper libraries, and still
have to fight to avoid the syndrome of 'if it isn't on Google, it
doesn't exist'. Teachers are reporting it as endemic among the younger
set- to them a keyboard and a screen is their ONLY portal to recorded
storehouses of knowledge. Spending a day in the stacks, much less using
an old-style physical card catalog, would bore them to tears.

aem sends...

You'd be surprised, as I was at some of the data available in electronic
form. I needed service information for the Kohler engine in my lawn
mower. I looked on the Kohler site and found info listed for newer
models, but nothing for my old one. I did the "contact us" email form
thing with the engine model and serial number info, not really expecting
much, this was about 3pm central time. About 9:15am the next day I got
an email from Kohler with links to the full owners and service manuals
in PDF form... and this was for a 32 year old engine! It's amazing how
good some companies are.
That is a good example of data that DOES pass the cost-bennies test for
digitization. Industrial engines like Kohler are often built off same
design for many years, and in use for decades. Not having to keep a
shelf stock of paper manuals and reprint them every so often more than
offsets the cost of having them scanned.

aem sends...

In article
,
aemeijers wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:
In article
,
Cindy Hamilton wrote:

Not all wisdom is available on the Internet.

I don't think wisdom is available anywhere at any price, grasshopper.
But as far as information, the World Wide Web is the clearance aisle of
Wal-Mart, packaged primarily for a stunningly dumb audience.

OTOH, the internet at large (of which the WWW might be 1%, but I'm
guessing) contains a vast wealth of information, unseen by most.
Virtually everything that's ever been published in any medium, in any
language, anywhere in the world, at any time, is on the internet
somewhere.

Uh, actually NOT. An amazing amount of (mostly old) data, publications,
records, etc, has not been and likely never WILL be digitized. It simply
fails the cost-bennies test of how often it is likely to ever be
accessed. Digitizing old data is expensive, if it only exists in
hardcopy. And stuff under current copyright is often not available at
all. There are projects out there to digitize public-domain old stuff
before it vanishes, or titles the authors and publishers donate to the
cause. But it is only a tiny volume of the works published in last 20
years, much less the last 200 or 2000.

I know better, having grown up using actual paper libraries, and still
have to fight to avoid the syndrome of 'if it isn't on Google, it
doesn't exist'. Teachers are reporting it as endemic among the younger
set- to them a keyboard and a screen is their ONLY portal to recorded
storehouses of knowledge. Spending a day in the stacks, much less using
an old-style physical card catalog, would bore them to tears.

aem sends...

Uh huh. Google indexes the world wide web, not the internet. To search
the internet, information brokers pay hefty monthly subscription fees,
and per use charges in the neighborhood of $600/hour. You'd be stupified
by the astronomical volume of what has been digitized, and by the amount
of funding that goes into the effort.

"Mark" wrote in
:


"Pete C." wrote in message
...
" wrote:

On Jan 29, 10:36�pm, Aleksey wrote:
Hello Everyone,

I need to install a swipe card lock for the front door of my
house. I do not know of any good models or much about these locks
period. I was wondering if anyone could tell me of any reliable
models. I need one that is reliable, would look good on a front
door, and could handle many people using it on a daily basis.

Does anyone have one of these locks on their door?

The only model I have been able to find
is:http://www.lock-depot.com/Scripts/pr...?idproduct=154. I
don't
know much about it however and wont purchase it unless I wont find
any better alternatives.

If anyone could help me out or give me some input I would much
appreciate it.

there are ones that detect the presence of a key fob like device,
get near the lock it opens instantly, and for those without a fob a
touchpad can give them access too.

Absolutely you want a non contact proximity card / fob type system
and mount the reader head relatively low so with the card or fob in
your pocket you can just bump the reader when your hands are full
with groceries or whatnot.

You might be able to unlock with a 'bump' but unless the lock includes
the latch as well you are probably still going to have to turn the
knob to open the door.


Didya see that commercial on TV for the voice-operated "sync" software in
some auto?

girl approaches office glass door;says "door open",and then she slams into
the still-closed door,spills latte all over glass door.....

So,you have your RFID fob in pocket,approach door,speak "door open" and
PRESTO! 8-)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jim Yanik wrote:

"Mark" wrote in
:


"Pete C." wrote in message
...
" wrote:

On Jan 29, 10:36�pm, Aleksey wrote:
Hello Everyone,

I need to install a swipe card lock for the front door of my
house. I do not know of any good models or much about these locks
period. I was wondering if anyone could tell me of any reliable
models. I need one that is reliable, would look good on a front
door, and could handle many people using it on a daily basis.

Does anyone have one of these locks on their door?

The only model I have been able to find
is:http://www.lock-depot.com/Scripts/pr...?idproduct=154. I
don't
know much about it however and wont purchase it unless I wont find
any better alternatives.

If anyone could help me out or give me some input I would much
appreciate it.

there are ones that detect the presence of a key fob like device,
get near the lock it opens instantly, and for those without a fob a
touchpad can give them access too.

Absolutely you want a non contact proximity card / fob type system
and mount the reader head relatively low so with the card or fob in
your pocket you can just bump the reader when your hands are full
with groceries or whatnot.

You might be able to unlock with a 'bump' but unless the lock includes
the latch as well you are probably still going to have to turn the
knob to open the door.

I've spent much of the last decade working in an environment with prox
cards and electric door latches. Waving your hip with the prox card
badge by the deader and then pushing through the door. Very convenient.



Didya see that commercial on TV for the voice-operated "sync" software in
some auto?

girl approaches office glass door;says "door open",and then she slams into
the still-closed door,spills latte all over glass door.....

So,you have your RFID fob in pocket,approach door,speak "door open" and
PRESTO! 8-)

Give the wonderful job that MacroSloth Word / Excel mangled a simple
document with a couple embedded spreadsheet objects on me recently, I
certainly wouldn't use any MacroSloth voice control software for
anything important.

aemeijers wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

You'd be surprised, as I was at some of the data available in electronic
form. I needed service information for the Kohler engine in my lawn
mower. I looked on the Kohler site and found info listed for newer
models, but nothing for my old one. I did the "contact us" email form
thing with the engine model and serial number info, not really expecting
much, this was about 3pm central time. About 9:15am the next day I got
an email from Kohler with links to the full owners and service manuals
in PDF form... and this was for a 32 year old engine! It's amazing how
good some companies are.

That is a good example of data that DOES pass the cost-bennies test for
digitization. Industrial engines like Kohler are often built off same
design for many years, and in use for decades. Not having to keep a
shelf stock of paper manuals and reprint them every so often more than
offsets the cost of having them scanned.

I've seen examples of other companies (who I won't do business with)
that don't want to know anything about a product that's a whopping two
years old.

On Jan 30, 8:35*pm, aemeijers wrote:

I know better, having grown up using actual paper libraries, and still
have to fight to avoid the syndrome of 'if it isn't on Google, it
doesn't exist'. Teachers are reporting it as endemic among the younger
set- to them a keyboard and a screen is their ONLY portal to recorded
storehouses of knowledge. Spending a day in the stacks, much less using
an old-style physical card catalog, would bore them to tears.

You know, I think being bored to tears occasionally would be good for
them.

Cindy Hamilton

On Jan 30, 7:27*pm, Jim Yanik wrote:
Cindy Hamilton wrote :





On Jan 29, 10:36*pm, Aleksey wrote:
Hello Everyone,

I need to install a swipe card lock for the front door of my house. I
do not know of any good models or much about these locks period. I
was wondering if anyone could tell me of any reliable models. I need
one that is reliable, would look good on a front door, and could
handle many people using it on a daily basis.

Does anyone have one of these locks on their door?

The only model I have been able to find
is:http://www.lock-depot.com/Scrip
ts/prodView.asp?idproduct=154. I don't
know much about it however and wont purchase it unless I wont find
any better alternatives.

If anyone could help me out or give me some input I would much
appreciate it.

Is there a locksmith in your town that you could visit and talk to?
Not all wisdom is available on the Internet.

Cindy Hamilton

OTOH,a locksmith may have a vested interest in selling you a system HE
benefits from,if you don't have some initial basic info and ideas.

Of course. So does lock-depot.com. I'd rather look the locksmith in
the
eye and ask him what he thinks.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote in
:

On Jan 30, 7:27*pm, Jim Yanik wrote:
Cindy Hamilton wrote
innews:204d6d35-0630-
:





On Jan 29, 10:36*pm, Aleksey wrote:
Hello Everyone,

I need to install a swipe card lock for the front door of my
house. I do not know of any good models or much about these locks
period. I was wondering if anyone could tell me of any reliable
models. I need one that is reliable, would look good on a front
door, and could handle many people using it on a daily basis.

Does anyone have one of these locks on their door?

The only model I have been able to find
is:http://www.lock-depot.com/Scrip
ts/prodView.asp?idproduct=154. I don't
know much about it however and wont purchase it unless I wont find
any better alternatives.

If anyone could help me out or give me some input I would much
appreciate it.

Is there a locksmith in your town that you could visit and talk to?
Not all wisdom is available on the Internet.

Cindy Hamilton

OTOH,a locksmith may have a vested interest in selling you a system
HE benefits from,if you don't have some initial basic info and ideas.

Of course. So does lock-depot.com. I'd rather look the locksmith in
the
eye and ask him what he thinks.

Cindy Hamilton


my point was that using the Internet,you can get an idea of whats
available,any potential problems with a particular product,check prices.
It's a valuable research resource,even with all the wackos.

and like ANY technical person,locksmiths range from inept to genius.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net