This is going to be kind of hard to describe so bear with me. I'll
try
to post pics later.
I recently renovated my kitchen and I started to install the crown
molding on top of the cabinets.One
wall has wall cabinets and the last cabinet is a 45 degree cabinet
that ends with the wall . Past this wall is my DR and LR.
Here is the problem. the last 45 degree cabinet ends about 1" away
from the end of the wall. When I put up the crown, it sticks out
past
the wall. It looks good if standing in front of it in the DR, but
when
you look at it from the LR on the other side, all you see is this
piece of crown sticking out past the wall and it looks ugly. I
thought
about putting a return, but it would not look right on top of the
cabinet. I would basically have to cut the top molding about 3"
shorter then do a return and it would not look good. The only way it
looks good if I cut the end of the molding straight ( no 45 at the
wall). The molding does not stick out past the wall if I do this.
Obviously does not look as good as a return or a 45 , but this looks
like my only choice.
Anyone ever run into this before and how you dealt with it?

"Mikepier" wrote in message
...
This is going to be kind of hard to describe so bear with me. I'll
try
to post pics later.
I recently renovated my kitchen and I started to install the crown
molding on top of the cabinets.One
wall has wall cabinets and the last cabinet is a 45 degree cabinet
that ends with the wall . Past this wall is my DR and LR.
Here is the problem. the last 45 degree cabinet ends about 1" away
from the end of the wall. When I put up the crown, it sticks out
past
the wall. It looks good if standing in front of it in the DR, but
when
you look at it from the LR on the other side, all you see is this
piece of crown sticking out past the wall and it looks ugly. I
thought
about putting a return, but it would not look right on top of the
cabinet. I would basically have to cut the top molding about 3"
shorter then do a return and it would not look good. The only way it
looks good if I cut the end of the molding straight ( no 45 at the
wall). The molding does not stick out past the wall if I do this.
Obviously does not look as good as a return or a 45 , but this looks
like my only choice.
Anyone ever run into this before and how you dealt with it?



I sort of know what you mean. Pictures would really help. Not just
close-ups, but also vantage points from which you'll normally view the
situation.

Mikepier wrote:
....
Here is the problem. the last 45 degree cabinet ends about 1" away
from the end of the wall. When I put up the crown, it sticks out
past
the wall. It looks good if standing in front of it in the DR, but
when
you look at it from the LR on the other side, all you see is this
piece of crown sticking out past the wall and it looks ugly. I
thought
about putting a return, but it would not look right on top of the
cabinet. I would basically have to cut the top molding about 3"
shorter then do a return and it would not look good. The only way it
looks good if I cut the end of the molding straight ( no 45 at the
wall). The molding does not stick out past the wall if I do this.
Obviously does not look as good as a return or a 45 , but this looks
like my only choice.
Anyone ever run into this before and how you dealt with it?

What about a 45 return of the crown only at the corner the length of
which is simply the depth back to the cabinet (I presume) it is mounted
on? All that would "stick out" would be that relatively small amount
over 1" of the width of the mould.

As you say, I'm having a hard time visualizing exactly the situation...

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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:36:22 -0800 (PST), Mikepier
wrote:

This is going to be kind of hard to describe so bear with me. I'll
try
to post pics later.
I recently renovated my kitchen and I started to install the crown
molding on top of the cabinets.One
wall has wall cabinets and the last cabinet is a 45 degree cabinet
that ends with the wall . Past this wall is my DR and LR.
Here is the problem. the last 45 degree cabinet ends about 1" away
from the end of the wall. When I put up the crown, it sticks out
past
the wall. It looks good if standing in front of it in the DR, but
when
you look at it from the LR on the other side, all you see is this
piece of crown sticking out past the wall and it looks ugly. I
thought
about putting a return, but it would not look right on top of the
cabinet. I would basically have to cut the top molding about 3"
shorter then do a return and it would not look good. The only way it
looks good if I cut the end of the molding straight ( no 45 at the
wall). The molding does not stick out past the wall if I do this.
Obviously does not look as good as a return or a 45 , but this looks
like my only choice.
Anyone ever run into this before and how you dealt with it?

Kind of tough without pics, but a few ideas:

Instead of a normal 90 degree return, how about a 45 degree return
that would die into the wall flush with the side wall (or 1/4 back)
This would require a compound miter. The return piece would be
triangle shaped. A variation of this would be to build a decorative
corner block with one 90 side for the crown to die into, and one 45
side to parallel the wall.

Or, carry the crown 6 or 12 inches around the corner and do a normal
return into the wall. To make this look right, you will have to build
out the top front edge of the 45 cabinet with a flat piece so it ends
up flush with the corner. Then the crown can continue around the
corner without a notch in it. Of course, this will mean recutting the
piece before the 45 since it will have to run longer to line up with
the extended cabinet front.

Or, return the crown at the end of the straight row of cabinets and
use a flat molding (or dentil) to trim the 45. The flat piece would
die into the return on the one end and the wall on the other end. I
think this might end up looking best, especially if there is another
area (perhaps over sink or hood) where you can echo the treatment so
it looks like a design element.

HTH,

Paul F.

Appeciate the inputs. I'll try to post some pics when I get home from
work.

On Dec 15, 9:27 am, Mikepier wrote:
Appeciate the inputs. I'll try to post some pics when I get home from
work.

Listen, this whole thing about putting work above the newsgroup has
gotta stop. Blow off work, go home and post some pictures. Have a
celebratory cocktail when you get home in honor of not bowing down to
the Man.

R

On Dec 15, 11:07 am, RicodJour wrote:
On Dec 15, 9:27 am, Mikepier wrote:

Appeciate the inputs. I'll try to post some pics when I get home from
work.

Listen, this whole thing about putting work above the newsgroup has
gotta stop. Blow off work, go home and post some pictures. Have a
celebratory cocktail when you get home in honor of not bowing down to
the Man.

R

Unfortunately in order to pay for this new kitchen I have to bow to
the man for now. But after I get home and post the pics, I'll have a
beer out of my new fridge.

OK here are the pics

http://picasaweb.google.com/mikerock92/Molding

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:36:22 -0800 (PST), Mikepier
wrote:

This is going to be kind of hard to describe so bear with me. I'll
try
to post pics later.
I recently renovated my kitchen and I started to install the crown
molding on top of the cabinets.One
wall has wall cabinets and the last cabinet is a 45 degree cabinet
that ends with the wall . Past this wall is my DR and LR.
Here is the problem. the last 45 degree cabinet ends about 1" away
from the end of the wall. When I put up the crown, it sticks out
past
the wall. It looks good if standing in front of it in the DR, but
when
you look at it from the LR on the other side, all you see is this
piece of crown sticking out past the wall and it looks ugly. I
thought
about putting a return, but it would not look right on top of the
cabinet. I would basically have to cut the top molding about 3"
shorter then do a return and it would not look good. The only way it
looks good if I cut the end of the molding straight ( no 45 at the
wall). The molding does not stick out past the wall if I do this.
Obviously does not look as good as a return or a 45 , but this looks
like my only choice.
Anyone ever run into this before and how you dealt with it?

This is a situation where a picture is worth a thousand words. It
sounds like you want the molding belonging to the cabinets, rather
than to the room?

On Dec 15, 11:36 am, Phisherman wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:36:22 -0800 (PST), Mikepier





wrote:
This is going to be kind of hard to describe so bear with me. I'll
try
to post pics later.
I recently renovated my kitchen and I started to install the crown
molding on top of the cabinets.One
wall has wall cabinets and the last cabinet is a 45 degree cabinet
that ends with the wall . Past this wall is my DR and LR.
Here is the problem. the last 45 degree cabinet ends about 1" away
from the end of the wall. When I put up the crown, it sticks out
past
the wall. It looks good if standing in front of it in the DR, but
when
you look at it from the LR on the other side, all you see is this
piece of crown sticking out past the wall and it looks ugly. I
thought
about putting a return, but it would not look right on top of the
cabinet. I would basically have to cut the top molding about 3"
shorter then do a return and it would not look good. The only way it
looks good if I cut the end of the molding straight ( no 45 at the
wall). The molding does not stick out past the wall if I do this.
Obviously does not look as good as a return or a 45 , but this looks
like my only choice.
Anyone ever run into this before and how you dealt with it?

This is a situation where a picture is worth a thousand words. It
sounds like you want the molding belonging to the cabinets, rather
than to the room? - Hide quoted text -

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Yes

"Mikepier" wrote in message
...
This is going to be kind of hard to describe so bear with me. I'll
try
to post pics later.
I recently renovated my kitchen and I started to install the crown
molding on top of the cabinets.One
wall has wall cabinets and the last cabinet is a 45 degree cabinet
that ends with the wall . Past this wall is my DR and LR.
Here is the problem. the last 45 degree cabinet ends about 1" away
from the end of the wall. When I put up the crown, it sticks out
past
the wall. It looks good if standing in front of it in the DR, but
when
you look at it from the LR on the other side, all you see is this
piece of crown sticking out past the wall and it looks ugly. I
thought
about putting a return, but it would not look right on top of the
cabinet. I would basically have to cut the top molding about 3"
shorter then do a return and it would not look good. The only way it
looks good if I cut the end of the molding straight ( no 45 at the
wall). The molding does not stick out past the wall if I do this.
Obviously does not look as good as a return or a 45 , but this looks
like my only choice.
Anyone ever run into this before and how you dealt with it?


How about a piece of 1X on the side of the cabinet that runs to the wall. The crown can
die into that. The end of the 1X can be cut at about the same angle the crown makes with
it (not a compound cut, leave the face square with the side of the 1X), but with a slight
margin, following the profile as best you can with a few straight cuts.

If you have a scroll saw, you can leave the 1X long, trace the outline of the crown onto
it at the intersection and cut. Not sure how that will look, though