I have one room in my house where I have 3 different phone lines and numbers
which also are in 3 different jacks (a home phone and 2 business lines). All
3 of them when you pick up the phone and hit a number to stop the dial tone
or during a phone call, seem to pick up music or a radio station, very loudly
too. This only happens in this room, an ideas on how to fix this or
counteract the music?


Thank you for your time


David

"kloud9y2k" u39589@uwe wrote in message news:7c273baf54dd6@uwe...
I have one room in my house where I have 3 different phone lines and
numbers
which also are in 3 different jacks (a home phone and 2 business lines).
All
3 of them when you pick up the phone and hit a number to stop the dial
tone
or during a phone call, seem to pick up music or a radio station, very
loudly
too. This only happens in this room, an ideas on how to fix this or
counteract the music?

Change the phone?

On Dec 3, 5:11 pm, "kloud9y2k" u39589@uwe wrote:
I have one room in my house where I have 3 different phone lines and numbers
which also are in 3 different jacks (a home phone and 2 business lines). All
3 of them when you pick up the phone and hit a number to stop the dial tone
or during a phone call, seem to pick up music or a radio station, very loudly
too. This only happens in this room, an ideas on how to fix this or
counteract the music?

Thank you for your time

David

May I suggest dancing?

What is going on here is pretty simple. You must be close to an AM or
FM transmitter. Either a semiconductor part or corroded connection is
acting as a rectifier -- "crystal set," if you like. See if there are
any clearly corroded connections in the system, especially if you live
by any body of water. Here at the Delaware shore I've used a lot of
silicon grease on stuff for just that reason. Also see if one
telephone is more of a problem than another.

/paul
W3FIS

professorpaul wrote:
What is going on here is pretty simple. You must be close to an AM or
FM transmitter. Either a semiconductor part or corroded connection is
acting as a rectifier -- "crystal set," if you like. See if there are
any clearly corroded connections in the system, especially if you live
by any body of water. Here at the Delaware shore I've used a lot of
silicon grease on stuff for just that reason. Also see if one
telephone is more of a problem than another.

/paul
W3FIS

Thank you for the information professorpaul. The house has just been rebuilt
so all wiring and materials are brand new. The framing of my house is steel,
could this add to the issue?


David

"kloud9y2k" u39589@uwe wrote:
professorpaul wrote:
What is going on here is pretty simple. You must be close to an AM or
FM transmitter. Either a semiconductor part or corroded connection is
acting as a rectifier -- "crystal set," if you like. See if there are
any clearly corroded connections in the system, especially if you live
by any body of water. Here at the Delaware shore I've used a lot of
silicon grease on stuff for just that reason. Also see if one
telephone is more of a problem than another.

/paul
W3FIS

Thank you for the information professorpaul. The house has just been rebuilt
so all wiring and materials are brand new. The framing of my house is steel,
could this add to the issue?

Well, it can't be an FM station, only an AM one.

Generally it isn't as easy to be quite as assertive
about causes and effects as it is in this case, but
three lines and three phone and only in one room...
sorta eliminates a lot of things!

Generally modern telephones (with more active
electronics inside them) are a bigger problem with this
sort of thing than older ones. Normally swapping
telephone sets is a good idea. But, with three of them
you are doing that. Same with the lines.

The key is probably the fact that it only happens in one
room, and the "framing of my house is steel". There is
still some question as to *exactly* what is going on,
but the best bet is that the cable to your phone lines
in that room was damaged, or at least in some way
compromised, when it was installed. Telephones
basically depend on a "balanced" circuit to prevent a
variety of things, and it sounds as if the balance on
your lines is not good. But only in that room, and
probably only at relatively high frequencies. As in,
somebody tightly wrapped the cable around a piece of
steel. I'd expect that if the cables were actually
broken open and wires were bare and touching something
that you would also be complaining about a loud hum.
Lacking that, it is more likely not that bad.

If this cabling is all in one sheath, it is very likely
that the grounding has been damaged. In that case it
might have an outer shield of aluminum, and that has
been allowed to touch a steel beam or something like it.

There are all sorts of odd possibilities, but the same
corrective action is require for any of them. Replace
the cable.

Before you do that though, get a roll of CAT5 cable and
go to the next nearest room with a telephone jack, and
run CAT5 from that jack into the problem room, and hook
a phone up to it. It should be without the music. If
so... replace the existing cable.

That may or may not be easy. If it goes into a crawl
space or in any way allows inspection of significant
parts of the run you might want to go looking for
anything odd. Kinks, twists that break the sheilding or
even just the sheath, etc etc. But most likely it is
run through walls and not only is inspection going to be
impossible, but replacement may be danged difficult too.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:35:06 GMT, "kloud9y2k" u39589@uwe wrote:

professorpaul wrote:
What is going on here is pretty simple. You must be close to an AM or
FM transmitter. Either a semiconductor part or corroded connection is
acting as a rectifier -- "crystal set," if you like. See if there are
any clearly corroded connections in the system, especially if you live
by any body of water. Here at the Delaware shore I've used a lot of
silicon grease on stuff for just that reason. Also see if one
telephone is more of a problem than another.

/paul
W3FIS

Thank you for the information professorpaul. The house has just been rebuilt
so all wiring and materials are brand new. The framing of my house is steel,
could this add to the issue?


David

Swap phones to another room and line.
Does the music stay with the phone? If yes, replace the phone. If
not, the problem is in the wiring and you'll have to figure out what
is going on, such as a loose connection. A capacitor across the line
might help too, but I can not tell you the value to use. Maybe a
..01uuf.

In article 7c273baf54dd6@uwe, "kloud9y2k" u39589@uwe wrote:

when you pick up the phone and hit a number to stop the dial tone
or during a phone call, seem to pick up music or a radio station,
very loudly too.

With the RARE exception of a high-joint (high-resistance fault) on the cable
or drop pair, which would affect ALL phones on that line, this is caused by a
defective (usually cheap) telephone. Eliminate/disconnect one phone at-a-time
until you've isolated the offending set. Good luck.
--

JR

Climb poles and dig holes
Have staplegun, will travel

Jim Redelfs wrote:
In article 7c273baf54dd6@uwe, "kloud9y2k" u39589@uwe wrote:

when you pick up the phone and hit a number to stop the dial tone
or during a phone call, seem to pick up music or a radio station,
very loudly too.

With the RARE exception of a high-joint (high-resistance fault) on the cable
or drop pair, which would affect ALL phones on that line, this is caused by a
defective (usually cheap) telephone. Eliminate/disconnect one phone at-a-time
until you've isolated the offending set. Good luck.

He's got three lines, three phones, and it only happens in
one room.

It isn't the telset.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

"Joseph Meehan" wrote:
I might add one more thing. Make sure your grounds are all good.

There are no grounds on the telephone system in a home.

Other objects, such as the steel framing, won't affect
the phone lines by being grounded or not.

(Interesting question you pose though, about if they
should be grounded or not. I'd assume yes, but I don't have
any idea if that is so or not.)

I wonder how grounding the frame would fit into this
and if it should be grounded or if it should not be
grounded by code or best practices. I have never worked
with steel framing.

"kloud9y2k" u39589@uwe wrote in message news:7c273baf54dd6@uwe...
I have one room in my house where I have 3 different
phone lines and numbers
which also are in 3 different jacks (a home phone and
2 business lines). All
3 of them when you pick up the phone and hit a number
to stop the dial tone
or during a phone call, seem to pick up music or a
radio station, very loudly
too. This only happens in this room, an ideas on how to fix this or
counteract the music?


Thank you for your time


David


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

In article , (Floyd L. Davidson)
wrote:

He's got three lines

I have lost count of the number of customers that I have queried about the
number of PHONES in the residence and were told they have 6 lines or 7 lines
when, in fact, they have 6 or 7 EXTENSIONS. Many customers don't know the
difference between a "line" and an "extension". I now ask how many phone
NUMBERS they have. I have yet to run afoul of a Distinctive Ring customer and
that question.

Three LINES in a residence is very unusual these days.

It isn't the telset.

OK, if you say so.
--

JR

In article ,
"Joseph Meehan" wrote:

I believe (at least in my area) the outdoor box where the homeowner's
lines connect to the providers lines has an earth ground requirement.

All protectors are (supposed to be) grounded. The latest practice is 10-gauge
solid copper of minimum length to the premises' multi-grounded neutral system.

I have no idea off hand if any
ground is carried into the home.

Not anymore. It was YEARS ago, but only to facilitate multi-party ringing
service and, later, a dial-light circuit. I don't know if the phone chassis
used those grounds or not.
--

JR

Jim Redelfs wrote:
In article , (Floyd L. Davidson)
wrote:

He's got three lines

I have lost count of the number of customers that I have queried about the
number of PHONES in the residence and were told they have 6 lines or 7 lines
when, in fact, they have 6 or 7 EXTENSIONS. Many customers don't know the
difference between a "line" and an "extension". I now ask how many phone
NUMBERS they have. I have yet to run afoul of a Distinctive Ring customer and
that question.

Three LINES in a residence is very unusual these days.

It isn't the telset.

OK, if you say so.

Here's what the OP said:

"I have one room in my house where I have 3 different
phone lines and numbers which also are in 3 different
jacks (a home phone and 2 business lines)."

Pretty clear. I'd expect he's in the practice of accurate
descriptions; he gave the whole scenario in 6 or 7 lines!

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)