I have a friend that is splitting his subscription 3 ways.

Direct TV is furnishing him the full package. It runs around 110$ a
month last time we talked about it. Plus he pays $5x3 for the extra
boxes.

He has 2 of the boxes in his house and one at his parents house and
one at his wife's parents house. 3 families split 125 and get
everything.

Terry wrote:
I have a friend that is splitting his subscription 3 ways.

Direct TV is furnishing him the full package. It runs around 110$ a
month last time we talked about it. Plus he pays $5x3 for the extra
boxes.

He has 2 of the boxes in his house and one at his parents house and
one at his wife's parents house. 3 families split 125 and get
everything.

What, the three mobile homes are on the same lot?

lee

Terry wrote in
:

I have a friend that is splitting his subscription 3 ways.

Direct TV is furnishing him the full package. It runs around 110$ a
month last time we talked about it. Plus he pays $5x3 for the extra
boxes.

He has 2 of the boxes in his house and one at his parents house and
one at his wife's parents house. 3 families split 125 and get
everything.



Clever!
But,I wonder if he could be prosecuted for cable signal fraud? That usage
may be contrary to the subscription agreement.
(with possible BIG fines)
Wouldn't DirectTV notice that 2 of their boxes are on different phone
lines?

Heck,they might even monitor UseNet newsgroups for this sort of info.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jim Yanik wrote:
He has 2 of the boxes in his house and one at his parents house and
one at his wife's parents house. 3 families split 125 and get
everything.

But,I wonder if he could be prosecuted for cable signal fraud? That usage
may be contrary to the subscription agreement.
(with possible BIG fines)
Wouldn't DirectTV notice that 2 of their boxes are on different phone
lines?


There is no requirement for DirecTV to be on a phone line for normal operations.
None of ours have been since they were activated. As far as that goes, what's
to stop someone from bringing all the receivers to the subscriber's house to get
activated, then carrying them back to their ultimate home? DirecTV can't tell
where the signal goes, since it goes everywhere anyway.

Would this be fraudulent? Hell, yes. The chances of getting caught are nil but
if you do I'd imagine it'd be your ass.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in
:

Jim Yanik wrote:
He has 2 of the boxes in his house and one at his parents house and
one at his wife's parents house. 3 families split 125 and get
everything.

But,I wonder if he could be prosecuted for cable signal fraud? That
usage may be contrary to the subscription agreement.
(with possible BIG fines)
Wouldn't DirectTV notice that 2 of their boxes are on different phone
lines?


There is no requirement for DirecTV to be on a phone line for normal
operations.

Yes,I knew that,but if you want any PPV channels,you do.

None of ours have been since they were activated. As far
as that goes, what's to stop someone from bringing all the receivers
to the subscriber's house to get activated, then carrying them back to
their ultimate home? DirecTV can't tell where the signal goes, since
it goes everywhere anyway.

Would this be fraudulent? Hell, yes. The chances of getting caught
are nil but if you do I'd imagine it'd be your ass.




maybe they'll put GPS chips inside the boxes..... ;-(

BTW,wouldn't the other two homes also have to buy their own dishes and
LNBs?
IIRC,one LNB can drive up to 4 converter boxes.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

On 13 Oct 2007 16:56:49 GMT, Jim Yanik wrote:

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in
m:

Jim Yanik wrote:
He has 2 of the boxes in his house and one at his parents house and
one at his wife's parents house. 3 families split 125 and get
everything.

But,I wonder if he could be prosecuted for cable signal fraud? That
usage may be contrary to the subscription agreement.
(with possible BIG fines)
Wouldn't DirectTV notice that 2 of their boxes are on different phone
lines?


There is no requirement for DirecTV to be on a phone line for normal
operations.

Yes,I knew that,but if you want any PPV channels,you do.

None of ours have been since they were activated. As far
as that goes, what's to stop someone from bringing all the receivers
to the subscriber's house to get activated, then carrying them back to
their ultimate home? DirecTV can't tell where the signal goes, since
it goes everywhere anyway.

Would this be fraudulent? Hell, yes. The chances of getting caught
are nil but if you do I'd imagine it'd be your ass.




maybe they'll put GPS chips inside the boxes..... ;-(

BTW,wouldn't the other two homes also have to buy their own dishes and
LNBs?
IIRC,one LNB can drive up to 4 converter boxes.

My friend said that all 3 homes subscribed to Direct TV for a year.
This gave them all the hardware and installation free.

After the year, one of them had Direct TV install 3 more boxes in the
single home and added all the channels. This gave one subscriber 4
boxes with every channel.

The other two dropped their service and used 2 of the 4 boxes.

On 13 Oct 2007 16:56:49 GMT, Jim Yanik wrote:

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in
m:

Jim Yanik wrote:
He has 2 of the boxes in his house and one at his parents house and
one at his wife's parents house. 3 families split 125 and get
everything.

But,I wonder if he could be prosecuted for cable signal fraud? That
usage may be contrary to the subscription agreement.
(with possible BIG fines)
Wouldn't DirectTV notice that 2 of their boxes are on different phone
lines?


There is no requirement for DirecTV to be on a phone line for normal
operations.

Yes,I knew that,but if you want any PPV channels,you do.


No you don't. Use the website.

None of ours have been since they were activated. As far
as that goes, what's to stop someone from bringing all the receivers
to the subscriber's house to get activated, then carrying them back to
their ultimate home? DirecTV can't tell where the signal goes, since
it goes everywhere anyway.

Would this be fraudulent? Hell, yes. The chances of getting caught
are nil but if you do I'd imagine it'd be your ass.




maybe they'll put GPS chips inside the boxes..... ;-(

BTW,wouldn't the other two homes also have to buy their own dishes and
LNBs?
IIRC,one LNB can drive up to 4 converter boxes.

There is no such limit. I've seen multiswitches that handle 16
receivers. These can be cascaded for even more.
--
73 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"I have found Christian dogma unintelligable. Early
in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies."
-- Benjamin Franklin

Terry wrote:
I have a friend that is splitting his subscription 3 ways.

Direct TV is furnishing him the full package. It runs around 110$ a
month last time we talked about it. Plus he pays $5x3 for the extra
boxes.

He has 2 of the boxes in his house and one at his parents house and
one at his wife's parents house. 3 families split 125 and get
everything.



DirecTV DOES allow you to split the subscription if you have a home and
a vacation home. But I think what is described by the OP is probably
fraudulent.

--Steve

Direct TV is furnishing him the full package. It runs around 110$ a
month last time we talked about it. Plus he pays $5x3 for the extra
boxes.

He has 2 of the boxes in his house and one at his parents house and
one at his wife's parents house. 3 families split 125 and get
everything.



What exactly is your point?

"Terry" wrote in message
...
I have a friend that is splitting his subscription 3 ways.

Direct TV is furnishing him the full package. It runs around 110$ a
month last time we talked about it. Plus he pays $5x3 for the extra
boxes.

He has 2 of the boxes in his house and one at his parents house and
one at his wife's parents house. 3 families split 125 and get
everything.

This is old news to satellite providers. Satellite TV companies do
unannounced phone audits of customers with multiple boxes; if you don't
respond to the audit they shut down your service; if you can't provide data
on all of your boxes they can (will!) stop service to the suspect units --
and you'll never get them back onto the same base plan again.

Sounds like a good way to start up intra-family squabbles.

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:45:51 -0400, "JimR"
wrote:


"Terry" wrote in message
.. .
I have a friend that is splitting his subscription 3 ways.

Direct TV is furnishing him the full package. It runs around 110$ a
month last time we talked about it. Plus he pays $5x3 for the extra
boxes.

He has 2 of the boxes in his house and one at his parents house and
one at his wife's parents house. 3 families split 125 and get
everything.

This is old news to satellite providers. Satellite TV companies do
unannounced phone audits of customers with multiple boxes; if you don't
respond to the audit they shut down your service; if you can't provide data
on all of your boxes they can (will!) stop service to the suspect units --
and you'll never get them back onto the same base plan again.

Sounds like a good way to start up intra-family squabbles.


DTV can do an instant binary edit/write to the card, but not without a
phone line connected. IIRC.

Up to the death of HU cards and the early P5 card a Satellite had no
beariing on an "audit".


--
Oren

"The voices in my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!"

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:45:51 -0400, "JimR"
wrote:


"Terry" wrote in message
.. .
I have a friend that is splitting his subscription 3 ways.

Direct TV is furnishing him the full package. It runs around 110$ a
month last time we talked about it. Plus he pays $5x3 for the extra
boxes.

He has 2 of the boxes in his house and one at his parents house and
one at his wife's parents house. 3 families split 125 and get
everything.

This is old news to satellite providers. Satellite TV companies do
unannounced phone audits of customers with multiple boxes; if you don't
respond to the audit they shut down your service; if you can't provide data
on all of your boxes they can (will!) stop service to the suspect units --
and you'll never get them back onto the same base plan again.


I've had 2 receivers for at least 4 years. They were never connected
to a phoneline during that time, and have had no problems.

Sounds like a good way to start up intra-family squabbles.

--
73 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"I have found Christian dogma unintelligable. Early
in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies."
-- Benjamin Franklin

I've had DTV for 10 years and never hooked up to phone line after the first
year. Nearby lighting strikes roasted the modem in the receiver so I never
bothered to connect the phone line after that. Never been phone audited and
order ppv through their web sight.
What is the phone audit all about anyway, are you saying you get a call from
DTV wanting s/n's from your receivers?

"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:45:51 -0400, "JimR"
wrote:


"Terry" wrote in message
. ..
I have a friend that is splitting his subscription 3 ways.

Direct TV is furnishing him the full package. It runs around 110$ a
month last time we talked about it. Plus he pays $5x3 for the extra
boxes.

He has 2 of the boxes in his house and one at his parents house and
one at his wife's parents house. 3 families split 125 and get
everything.

This is old news to satellite providers. Satellite TV companies do
unannounced phone audits of customers with multiple boxes; if you don't
respond to the audit they shut down your service; if you can't provide
data
on all of your boxes they can (will!) stop service to the suspect units --
and you'll never get them back onto the same base plan again.


I've had 2 receivers for at least 4 years. They were never connected
to a phoneline during that time, and have had no problems.

Sounds like a good way to start up intra-family squabbles.

--
73 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"I have found Christian dogma unintelligable. Early
in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies."
-- Benjamin Franklin

"Jeff Dieterle" wrote in message
...

[snip]

What is the phone audit all about anyway, are you saying you get a call
from DTV wanting s/n's from your receivers?

Yes -- we have four receivers (Living Room, 2 Bedrooms, hobby room), and
about two months after installation we got a call auditing our use of the
receivers, asking for a couple of code numbers out of the software for each
receiver. This required going to each room, turning on the system and
getting setup info on the screen. Being careful and not sure who was
actually calling, I wouldn't answer their questions and asked for their
phone number. Then I called Dish TV (my provider) but their customer
service wasn't aware of what was happening (so I didn't return the auditer's
phone call). Two days later my satellite service was shut off, even though
I was paid up. I called CS again, they transferred me to the audit company,
and we went through our system receiver by receiver. They told me at the
time that they would shut down any receivers that couldn't be audited and
would start charging a monthly fee to have them reinstated. Within an hour
of the end of the audit satellite service was restored.

The audit was not particularly friendly (I won't go into details, but they
appeared to be starting from the position that I was cheating on them by
having receivers spread out in several houses.) There have been a few times
when I have seriously considered terminating the Dish TV service, and this
was one of those time. If I hadn't had a lot of my money already tied up by
purchasing the Dish receivers, I probably would have moved to Direct TV at
that time. I did make a formal complaint to Dish TV Customer Service about
this procedure, and it hasn't happened to me since.

It may be that if you only have two receivers you're a less visible
target -- certainly someone with four receivers is in the top few % of their
business and anyone trying to get away with having receivers in multiple
houses is likely to have four or more receivers, so we were an obvious
target --

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:20:28 -0400, "JimR"
wrote:


"Jeff Dieterle" wrote in message
...

[snip]

What is the phone audit all about anyway, are you saying you get a call
from DTV wanting s/n's from your receivers?

Yes -- we have four receivers (Living Room, 2 Bedrooms, hobby room), and
about two months after installation we got a call auditing our use of the
receivers, asking for a couple of code numbers out of the software for each
receiver. This required going to each room, turning on the system and
getting setup info on the screen. Being careful and not sure who was
actually calling, I wouldn't answer their questions and asked for their
phone number. Then I called Dish TV (my provider) but their customer
service wasn't aware of what was happening (so I didn't return the auditer's
phone call). Two days later my satellite service was shut off, even though
I was paid up. I called CS again, they transferred me to the audit company,
and we went through our system receiver by receiver. They told me at the
time that they would shut down any receivers that couldn't be audited and
would start charging a monthly fee to have them reinstated. Within an hour
of the end of the audit satellite service was restored.

The audit was not particularly friendly (I won't go into details, but they
appeared to be starting from the position that I was cheating on them by
having receivers spread out in several houses.) There have been a few times
when I have seriously considered terminating the Dish TV service, and this
was one of those time. If I hadn't had a lot of my money already tied up by
purchasing the Dish receivers, I probably would have moved to Direct TV at
that time. I did make a formal complaint to Dish TV Customer Service about
this procedure, and it hasn't happened to me since.

It may be that if you only have two receivers you're a less visible
target -- certainly someone with four receivers is in the top few % of their
business and anyone trying to get away with having receivers in multiple
houses is likely to have four or more receivers, so we were an obvious
target --


Which really shows just how poorly the one box per room design is. 4
TVs is not an uncommon thing. Paying rent to the satellite company
for 4 is. It is a very unfair charge.

The unscrambling design could have been done on the incoming signal
before splitting it to the rooms. It was a conscious decision on the
part of the satellite company to charge more. Most people don't pay
extra and are inconvenienced by having to watch the same show in more
than one room. The tuner and the remote control for the TV are
useless.

It is the main reason I am still using Cable.

Terry wrote:
I have a friend that is splitting his subscription 3 ways.

Direct TV is furnishing him the full package. It runs around 110$ a
month last time we talked about it. Plus he pays $5x3 for the extra
boxes.

He has 2 of the boxes in his house and one at his parents house and
one at his wife's parents house. 3 families split 125 and get
everything.




This is how we get around the NFL "blackout" rule.

Our Direct TV is registered at our camp well outside the 100 mile
radius(there are dishes at both home & the cabin).

Works like a charm.

Rob

providers call and ask for unique numbers from each box they change by
satellite, if you cant walk around your home and give them numbers
from each box you get shut down.

doing thisa is the same as going in a store and stealing merchandise

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 06:21:06 -0700, "
wrote:

providers call and ask for unique numbers from each box they change by
satellite, if you cant walk around your home and give them numbers
from each box you get shut down.

doing thisa is the same as going in a store and stealing merchandise

Definitely not!

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 06:21:06 -0700, "
wrote:

providers call and ask for unique numbers from each box they change by
satellite, if you cant walk around your home and give them numbers
from each box you get shut down.

doing thisa is the same as going in a store and stealing merchandise

No it is not. If you steal something from a store then the store no
longer has it.

It is NOT the same thing.

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:05:29 -0400, Terry
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 06:21:06 -0700, "
wrote:

providers call and ask for unique numbers from each box they change by
satellite, if you cant walk around your home and give them numbers
from each box you get shut down.

doing thisa is the same as going in a store and stealing merchandise

No it is not. If you steal something from a store then the store no
longer has it.

It is NOT the same thing.

Right. Is it even something wrong?

1. You paid (the sat company) to see the game. Didn't you?

2. The sat signal is already available both places. The losses
experienced by the provider are not affected by WHERE you are when you
watch the game.

I think that idea of it being "stealing" is corporate propaganda,
repeated by people who haven't really thought about it themselves.

Some people are going to be saying something like "your local stadium
lost a ticket sale because of it". Then what the [expletive deleted]
are they doing with YOUR money, so as to be able to lose it.
--
71 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"God was invented by man for a reason, that
reason is no longer applicable."

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:28:49 -0500, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:05:29 -0400, Terry
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 06:21:06 -0700, "
wrote:

providers call and ask for unique numbers from each box they change by
satellite, if you cant walk around your home and give them numbers
from each box you get shut down.

doing thisa is the same as going in a store and stealing merchandise

No it is not. If you steal something from a store then the store no
longer has it.

It is NOT the same thing.

Right. Is it even something wrong?

1. You paid (the sat company) to see the game. Didn't you?

2. The sat signal is already available both places. The losses
experienced by the provider are not affected by WHERE you are when you
watch the game.

I think that idea of it being "stealing" is corporate propaganda,
repeated by people who haven't really thought about it themselves.

Some people are going to be saying something like "your local stadium
lost a ticket sale because of it". Then what the [expletive deleted]
are they doing with YOUR money, so as to be able to lose it.

The RIAA is going after people making copies of mp3's while 2 million
people are crossing the border illegally each year. It boggles my
little mind.

On Oct 15, 10:05 am, Terry wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 06:21:06 -0700, "

wrote:
providers call and ask for unique numbers from each box they change by
satellite, if you cant walk around your home and give them numbers
from each box you get shut down.

doing thisa is the same as going in a store and stealing merchandise

No it is not. If you steal something from a store then the store no
longer has it.

It is NOT the same thing.

Yes, it most definately is and you lame defense proves it. I would
put your argument in the same category as claiming Rape is ok because
the victim still has her pussy. You are stealing something that does
not belong to you. Theft of service is no different than any other
from of stealing.

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:49:17 -0000, BobR
wrote:

On Oct 15, 10:05 am, Terry wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 06:21:06 -0700, "

wrote:
providers call and ask for unique numbers from each box they change by
satellite, if you cant walk around your home and give them numbers
from each box you get shut down.

doing thisa is the same as going in a store and stealing merchandise

No it is not. If you steal something from a store then the store no
longer has it.

It is NOT the same thing.

Yes, it most definately is and you lame defense proves it. I would
put your argument in the same category as claiming Rape is ok because
the victim still has her pussy. You are stealing something that does
not belong to you. Theft of service is no different than any other
from of stealing.

It is NOT theft of service, or theft of any kind no matter what the
businesses and business-controlled government say.

Of course this is in no way calling it good or acceptable.

Hope that brain regrows someday ...

wrote:
providers call and ask for unique numbers from each box they change by
satellite, if you cant walk around your home and give them numbers
from each box you get shut down.

doing thisa is the same as going in a store and stealing merchandise


Bull****. In 15 years with DirecTV they have never called for any reason. On
the few occasions I've needed to call them we discussed the offending receiver
and none of the others were even mentioned.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:19:57 -0400, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote:

wrote:
providers call and ask for unique numbers from each box they change by
satellite, if you cant walk around your home and give them numbers
from each box you get shut down.

doing thisa is the same as going in a store and stealing merchandise


Bull****. In 15 years with DirecTV they have never called for any reason. On
the few occasions I've needed to call them we discussed the offending receiver
and none of the others were even mentioned.

Once they asked me for a card number (to be sure we were talking about
the same receiver). There was no mention of a phone connection. Those
receivers were just a couple of feet apart, but they could have been
hundreds* of miles apart (and I wrote the card numbers down here) and
they'd never know.

&&&

* - that could been thousands, but I did call about a problem with
(spot beam) local channels.
--
71 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"God was invented by man for a reason, that
reason is no longer applicable."

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:19:57 -0400, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote:

wrote:
providers call and ask for unique numbers from each box they change by
satellite, if you cant walk around your home and give them numbers
from each box you get shut down.

doing thisa is the same as going in a store and stealing merchandise


Bull****. In 15 years with DirecTV they have never called for any reason. On
the few occasions I've needed to call them we discussed the offending receiver
and none of the others were even mentioned.

Bull Malarkey. Wasn't the smart card just brought to market in 1999?

From '99 - ' 01 hackers had the upper hand on DTV. Why would a hacker
of digital signal, even be talking to DTV? It certainly would not be
because the receivers still in the market were hackable. The reason
DTV asked for the information and numbers.

DTV launched an electronic counter measure (ECM): known as Black
Sunday ( Super Bowl '01) They fought hackers, until Rupert Murdodck
bought the mess.

Yes, they did ask for receiver and card numbers during the War!

"It turned all these cards into ice scrapers," says a California
pirate.

http://www.securityfocus.com/news/143


--
Oren

"If things get any worse, I'll have to ask you to stop helping me."

Oren wrote:
Bull****. In 15 years with DirecTV they have never called for any reason.
On the few occasions I've needed to call them we discussed the offending
receiver and none of the others were even mentioned.

Bull Malarkey. Wasn't the smart card just brought to market in 1999?

From '99 - ' 01 hackers had the upper hand on DTV. Why would a hacker
of digital signal, even be talking to DTV? It certainly would not be
because the receivers still in the market were hackable. The reason
DTV asked for the information and numbers.


Who said anything about hacking? I don't hack nor did I hack back in the day.
Every now and then there'd be a reason to call them... say, the locals dropped
off a set for some reason. I'd call and they'd do whatever they do to get it
working again. We never talked about any of the other sets. Nor were any of
the sets plugged into a phone line. They're still not.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:46:44 -0400, trainfan1
wrote:

Terry wrote:
I have a friend that is splitting his subscription 3 ways.

Direct TV is furnishing him the full package. It runs around 110$ a
month last time we talked about it. Plus he pays $5x3 for the extra
boxes.

He has 2 of the boxes in his house and one at his parents house and
one at his wife's parents house. 3 families split 125 and get
everything.




This is how we get around the NFL "blackout" rule.

Our Direct TV is registered at our camp well outside the 100 mile
radius(there are dishes at both home & the cabin).

Works like a charm.

Rob

Good for YOU!

Those fancy RV's have rotating sat dishes and folks watch as they
travel. Isn't life great. Have DTV on the road and in the home

--
Oren

"I didn’t say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you."