I live alone in a small house, and I was wondering if there was
any downside (particularly with regard to safety and the expense of
using the heater) to turning off my gas heater at selected times
during the day. I really only use the heater when I wash dishes and
take a shower at night, and I am wondering if repeatedly turning off
the heater everyday (late in the evening after I have used it) is safe
and whether it will save me substantial amounts of money. Thanks for
any assistance that anyone can provide.

JD

"JD" wrote in message
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I live alone in a small house, and I was wondering if there was
any downside (particularly with regard to safety and the expense of
using the heater) to turning off my gas heater at selected times
during the day. I really only use the heater when I wash dishes and
take a shower at night, and I am wondering if repeatedly turning off
the heater everyday (late in the evening after I have used it) is safe
and whether it will save me substantial amounts of money. Thanks for
any assistance that anyone can provide.

JD

Subjecting the heater to expansion and contraction for the heating cycles is
not a good idea either and it is more prone to crack the liner inside. If
you can, see how often the burner cycles and you can compute the gas used to
maintain the temperature versus a long time to bring it up to temperature.

"JD" wrote in message
ps.com...
I live alone in a small house, and I was wondering if there was
any downside (particularly with regard to safety and the expense of
using the heater) to turning off my gas heater at selected times
during the day. I really only use the heater when I wash dishes and
take a shower at night, and I am wondering if repeatedly turning off
the heater everyday (late in the evening after I have used it) is safe
and whether it will save me substantial amounts of money. Thanks for
any assistance that anyone can provide.

JD


I can't think of any problems with turning the thermostat knob from your
comfort level to the vacation setting on a daily basis. Physically turning
it off and on, as is shutdown and relight the pilot will cost you more in
the long run IMO.

I'm not sure you will save enough to make it worth the hassle. All you will
save is the "stand-by loss", the cost of keeping the water hot with no use.
You might Google "stand-by loss" +"gas water heater" and see what you can
learn.

Single person, hand washing dishes, one shower, you might do as well just
lowering the temp setting as low as you can go and still have enough water
for your needs.


Colbyt

On Wed, 9 May 2007 20:04:55 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:


"JD" wrote in message
ups.com...
I live alone in a small house, and I was wondering if there was
any downside (particularly with regard to safety and the expense of
using the heater) to turning off my gas heater at selected times
during the day. I really only use the heater when I wash dishes and
take a shower at night, and I am wondering if repeatedly turning off
the heater everyday (late in the evening after I have used it) is safe
and whether it will save me substantial amounts of money. Thanks for
any assistance that anyone can provide.

JD

Subjecting the heater to expansion and contraction for the heating cycles is
not a good idea either and it is more prone to crack the liner inside. If
you can, see how often the burner cycles and you can compute the gas used to
maintain the temperature versus a long time to bring it up to temperature.

Would it use enough to show up on the gas meter?

Edwin's is the better way, but maybe you could turn off the water
heater before you go away for a couple days, and without turning the
gas back on, see how hot the water is when you get home. That will
give you an idea of how much heat you are losing, and how much heat
you would need to keep it warm. It might only be the first 30?
seconds of water that is indicative, becasue as you use water, cold
water enters the tank. I don't know how long it takes to mix with the
hot water.

Also, don't forget that however much the water cools off in the night,
you'll end up warming it back to the orginal temperature the next time
you do dishes. So say the water is set to 140 degrees and in 18 hours
it cools to 130**. But let's say 120. So the average temp over 18
hours would be in the middle, 130. If the room the water heater is in
is 70 degrees, there would be a 60 degree differential instead of the
70 degree differential if the water were still 140 all the time.


**I don't think it will cool more than that. I went through
involuntary testing with an electric wh. It would break and I'd see
how long the hot water lasted. IT LASTED FOR 3 OR 4 DAYS!!!!! if I
used very little. I was showering somewhere else, and pretty much
just washing my hands, but still, it radiated so little heat that it
was hot for 3 or 4 days. This was a 12-year electric water heater and
they come iirc 3 inches of insulation. Can one use a water heater
blanket on a gas wh. My wh had one when I bought the house, but when
I replaced the wh, it was sort of messed up and for whatever reason I
didn't buy another one.



So it will radiate heat into the room at 6/7ths of rate it normally
does. There are two ways that heat is lost from the water heater, a)
radiation and b) using the water and replacing it with cold water.
What fraction is each depends on how much hot water you use, and to a
small extent, what the temp is in the room the wh is in.

FWIW, if the wh is in a room that you heat, or right next to one, like
a closet off of the kitchen, any heat that radiates from the WH will
heat your apartment in the winter and save you money on whatever other
method you are using. Of course when the AC is on, it will be the
opposite. You'll waste a little money with heat radiating from the
wh, and then waste it a second time running the AC. OTOH, you only use
the AC what, 3 months a year? And when it is more than 70 in the
room, the water heater will radiate less heat.

"JD" wrote in message
ps.com...
I live alone in a small house, and I was wondering if there was
any downside (particularly with regard to safety and the expense of
using the heater) to turning off my gas heater at selected times
during the day. I really only use the heater when I wash dishes and
take a shower at night, and I am wondering if repeatedly turning off
the heater everyday (late in the evening after I have used it) is safe
and whether it will save me substantial amounts of money. Thanks for
any assistance that anyone can provide.


It's safe all right, but what a hassle! It won't save you any money,
especially for all the time you'll spend going up & down the stairs.

Instead, buy a water heater blanket and if you're handy with plumbing, make
a loop out of copper pipe to keep the heated water in the tank. Put it on
the hot side of the tank. Heat rises, it can't sink, so the loop
effectively stops the heat right at the highest point of the loop. This
keeps all the hot water in the tank rather than migrating out of it and
heating up all the associated pipes. (Those pipe insulation things are
worthless, and furthermore, they're unnecessary with a proper heat trap.)

Heat rises, it can't sink,

Amazing new physics principle!

On Wed, 9 May 2007 19:44:58 -0600, "Bob M." wrote:


Instead, buy a water heater blanket and if you're handy with plumbing, make
a loop out of copper pipe to keep the heated water in the tank. Put it on
the hot side of the tank. Heat rises, it can't sink, so the loop
effectively stops the heat right at the highest point of the loop. This
keeps all the hot water in the tank rather than migrating out of it and
heating up all the associated pipes. (Those pipe insulation things are
worthless, and furthermore, they're unnecessary with a proper heat trap.)

But since almost no one has the proper heat trap that you recommend,
they're not unnecessary for all those people, are they?

That leaves the statement that they are worthless, which others can
comment on.

"mm" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 9 May 2007 19:44:58 -0600, "Bob M." wrote:


Instead, buy a water heater blanket and if you're handy with plumbing,
make
a loop out of copper pipe to keep the heated water in the tank. Put it on
the hot side of the tank. Heat rises, it can't sink, so the loop
effectively stops the heat right at the highest point of the loop. This
keeps all the hot water in the tank rather than migrating out of it and
heating up all the associated pipes. (Those pipe insulation things are
worthless, and furthermore, they're unnecessary with a proper heat trap.)

But since almost no one has the proper heat trap that you recommend,
they're not unnecessary for all those people, are they?

That leaves the statement that they are worthless, which others can
comment on.



They are still worthless. For the cost of 3 feet of copper pipe, some
elbows and about 1-2 hours' time, someone can build a heat trap and be done
with the problem forever.