I've had an old B&D Dustbuster Deluxe cordless vac for years. Never really
worked 100%. Right off the charger, it'd rev up, then slow to near nothin',
they rev up again. About to roll over and die. Practical to replace
batteries?

I've had an old B&D Spotliter rechargable flashlite since the 80's.
Worked great until just recently. Output on the charger checked
out, so it's gotta be the battery. I can't even figger out how to
get it out of the handle. Any hope?

Thx,
Puddin'

Pease pudding hot,
Pease pudding cold,
Pease pudding in the pot
Nine days old ...

Puddin' Man wrote in
:



I've had an old B&D Dustbuster Deluxe cordless vac for years. Never
really worked 100%. Right off the charger, it'd rev up, then slow to
near nothin', they rev up again. About to roll over and die. Practical
to replace batteries?

I've had an old B&D Spotliter rechargable flashlite since the 80's.
Worked great until just recently. Output on the charger checked
out, so it's gotta be the battery. I can't even figger out how to
get it out of the handle. Any hope?

Thx,
Puddin'

Pease pudding hot,
Pease pudding cold,
Pease pudding in the pot
Nine days old ...


My B&D Dustbuster batteries died after 10 years,and checking with the local
DeWalt service center,it was cheaper to have a new pack installed than buy
a new Dustbuster.It took a week,because they had to order the battery
pack(4 cells),but it's still going strong,and that was 5 years ago.

Your fault may not be the battery pack,but perhaps a bad switch.
("never really worked right";shoulda used the warranty.)

Have you tried looking for a Black and Decker website?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

On 6 Jan 2007 03:52:53 GMT, Jim Yanik wrote:

Puddin' Man wrote in
:



I've had an old B&D Dustbuster Deluxe cordless vac for years. Never
really worked 100%. Right off the charger, it'd rev up, then slow to
near nothin', they rev up again. About to roll over and die. Practical
to replace batteries?

I've had an old B&D Spotliter rechargable flashlite since the 80's.
Worked great until just recently. Output on the charger checked
out, so it's gotta be the battery. I can't even figger out how to
get it out of the handle. Any hope?

Thx,
Puddin'

Pease pudding hot,
Pease pudding cold,
Pease pudding in the pot
Nine days old ...


My B&D Dustbuster batteries died after 10 years,and checking with the local
DeWalt service center,it was cheaper to have a new pack installed than buy
a new Dustbuster.It took a week,because they had to order the battery
pack(4 cells),but it's still going strong,and that was 5 years ago.

Your fault may not be the battery pack,but perhaps a bad switch.

Lost me here. I flip the switch, it closes the circuit.

("never really worked right";shoulda used the warranty.)

Flawlessly timed: just outa warranty. Superior engineering!

Have you tried looking for a Black and Decker website?

I took a peek at
http://www.dewaltservicenet.com/regi...r_register.asp
They want a curriculum vitae and full biography before
allowing po' me to search for a part (that well may not
exist). Appears to be a "Rip Site".

Lotsa Thanks :-)
P

Pease pudding hot,
Pease pudding cold,
Pease pudding in the pot
Nine days old ...

Your fault may not be the battery pack,but perhaps a bad switch.

Lost me here. I flip the switch, it closes the circuit.

It opens the motor circuit and simultaneously closes the recharge
circuit. The problem with the B&D dustbuster switch is that the
recharge connection doesn't always make a proper connection so
that many times the Ni-Cads go uncharged.

wrote:
Your fault may not be the battery pack,but perhaps a bad switch.

Lost me here. I flip the switch, it closes the circuit.


It opens the motor circuit and simultaneously closes the recharge
circuit. The problem with the B&D dustbuster switch is that the
recharge connection doesn't always make a proper connection so
that many times the Ni-Cads go uncharged.

My curious mind wonders why that switch has to disconnect the recharge
circuit?

Our Dustbuster doesn't do that. But it's about 15 years old and I've
changed the NiCads about three times now, using those tabbed cells from
Radio Shack. (Takes a bit of soldering though.)

Mine recharges when it's hung on its wall rack and since there's a diode
in the charging path inside it you wouldn't do anything bad if you
accidently shorted the two charging contacts on its underside with the
motor running or not.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:44:55 GMT, Puddin' Man
wrote:



I've had an old B&D Dustbuster Deluxe cordless vac for years. Never really

How old. Only relevant for deciding how it is assembled.

worked 100%. Right off the charger, it'd rev up, then slow to near nothin',
they rev up again. About to roll over and die. Practical to replace
batteries?

I've had an old B&D Spotliter rechargable flashlite since the 80's.
Worked great until just recently. Output on the charger checked
out, so it's gotta be the battery. I can't even figger out how to
get it out of the handle. Any hope?

Don't you see any screw heads? YOu can drill them out, especially
with a left handed drill bit and a reversible drill, or you can look
for special tips for their special screws. They sell them now wioth
32 tips in a red plastic thing about as big as 2 cigarette packs.

If you don't see the screw heads their under stomething. Or the case
snaps together

Thx,
Puddin'

Pease pudding hot,
Pease pudding cold,
Pease pudding in the pot
Nine days old ...

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:32:35 -0500, mm wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:44:55 GMT, Puddin' Man
wrote:



I've had an old B&D Dustbuster Deluxe cordless vac for years. Never really

How old. Only relevant for deciding how it is assembled.

It's a DB450. I don't 'member how old, maybe 10 years.

worked 100%. Right off the charger, it'd rev up, then slow to near nothin',
they rev up again. About to roll over and die. Practical to replace
batteries?

I've had an old B&D Spotliter rechargable flashlite since the 80's.
Worked great until just recently. Output on the charger checked
out, so it's gotta be the battery. I can't even figger out how to
get it out of the handle. Any hope?

Don't you see any screw heads?

I just looked again. No fasteners visable.

YOu can drill them out, especially
with a left handed drill bit and a reversible drill, or you can look
for special tips for their special screws. They sell them now wioth
32 tips in a red plastic thing about as big as 2 cigarette packs.

If you don't see the screw heads their under stomething. Or the case
snaps together

Doesn't look like it. The base doesn't snap together.

P


Pease pudding hot,
Pease pudding cold,
Pease pudding in the pot
Nine days old ...

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 13:20:33 -0500, Jeff Wisnia wrote:

wrote:
Your fault may not be the battery pack,but perhaps a bad switch.

Lost me here. I flip the switch, it closes the circuit.


It opens the motor circuit and simultaneously closes the recharge
circuit. The problem with the B&D dustbuster switch is that the
recharge connection doesn't always make a proper connection so
that many times the Ni-Cads go uncharged.

Yes, I've had that problem a time or 2 in past years.

It's not the problem I described at all.

My curious mind wonders why that switch has to disconnect the recharge
circuit?

That makes 2 of us ...

Our Dustbuster doesn't do that. But it's about 15 years old and I've
changed the NiCads about three times now, using those tabbed cells from
Radio Shack. (Takes a bit of soldering though.)

Yeah, I've done that with a little Norelco trimmer. RS finally
pulled the battery, I ordered 1 more from the inet.

Mine recharges when it's hung on its wall rack and since there's a diode
in the charging path inside it you wouldn't do anything bad if you
accidently shorted the two charging contacts on its underside with the
motor running or not.

As near as I can tell, my DB is charging OK.

P


Pease pudding hot,
Pease pudding cold,
Pease pudding in the pot
Nine days old ...

Jeff Wisnia wrote in
et:

wrote:
Your fault may not be the battery pack,but perhaps a bad switch.

Lost me here. I flip the switch, it closes the circuit.


It opens the motor circuit and simultaneously closes the recharge
circuit. The problem with the B&D dustbuster switch is that the
recharge connection doesn't always make a proper connection so
that many times the Ni-Cads go uncharged.

My curious mind wonders why that switch has to disconnect the recharge
circuit?

Our Dustbuster doesn't do that. But it's about 15 years old and I've
changed the NiCads about three times now, using those tabbed cells from
Radio Shack. (Takes a bit of soldering though.)

Mine recharges when it's hung on its wall rack and since there's a diode
in the charging path inside it you wouldn't do anything bad if you
accidently shorted the two charging contacts on its underside with the
motor running or not.

Jeff


did you know the Dustbuster cells are of a type designed for being left on
charge all the time,24/7/365 ? Digi-Key carrys them,but DeWalt charged me
less than what it would have cost to buy just the cells.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Puddin' Man wrote in
:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 13:20:33 -0500, Jeff Wisnia
wrote:

wrote:
Your fault may not be the battery pack,but perhaps a bad switch.

Lost me here. I flip the switch, it closes the circuit.


It opens the motor circuit and simultaneously closes the recharge
circuit. The problem with the B&D dustbuster switch is that the
recharge connection doesn't always make a proper connection so
that many times the Ni-Cads go uncharged.

Yes, I've had that problem a time or 2 in past years.

It's not the problem I described at all.

My curious mind wonders why that switch has to disconnect the recharge
circuit?

That makes 2 of us ...

Our Dustbuster doesn't do that. But it's about 15 years old and I've
changed the NiCads about three times now, using those tabbed cells
from Radio Shack. (Takes a bit of soldering though.)

Yeah, I've done that with a little Norelco trimmer. RS finally
pulled the battery, I ordered 1 more from the inet.

Mine recharges when it's hung on its wall rack and since there's a
diode in the charging path inside it you wouldn't do anything bad if
you accidently shorted the two charging contacts on its underside with
the motor running or not.

As near as I can tell, my DB is charging OK.

P


Pease pudding hot,
Pease pudding cold,
Pease pudding in the pot
Nine days old ...


Maybe the motor itself has bad brushes,or worn/sticky bearings.

there's not much else in there....

Battery,switch,motor;your problem is in one of those three items.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

On 6 Jan 2007 21:09:31 GMT, Jim Yanik wrote:

Jeff Wisnia wrote in
news:3OydnU_HbJqJdQLYnZ2dnUVZ_oSnnZ2d@conversent. net:

wrote:
Your fault may not be the battery pack,but perhaps a bad switch.

Lost me here. I flip the switch, it closes the circuit.


It opens the motor circuit and simultaneously closes the recharge
circuit. The problem with the B&D dustbuster switch is that the
recharge connection doesn't always make a proper connection so
that many times the Ni-Cads go uncharged.

My curious mind wonders why that switch has to disconnect the recharge
circuit?

Our Dustbuster doesn't do that. But it's about 15 years old and I've
changed the NiCads about three times now, using those tabbed cells from
Radio Shack. (Takes a bit of soldering though.)

Mine recharges when it's hung on its wall rack and since there's a diode
in the charging path inside it you wouldn't do anything bad if you
accidently shorted the two charging contacts on its underside with the
motor running or not.

Jeff


did you know the Dustbuster cells are of a type designed for being left on
charge all the time,24/7/365 ?

You mean left on the charger base? Yes.

Digi-Key carrys them,but DeWalt charged me
less than what it would have cost to buy just the cells.

If you remember: how long ago? How much $?

Thx,
P

Pease pudding hot,
Pease pudding cold,
Pease pudding in the pot
Nine days old ...

Jim Yanik wrote:

Jeff Wisnia wrote in
et:


wrote:

Your fault may not be the battery pack,but perhaps a bad switch.

Lost me here. I flip the switch, it closes the circuit.


It opens the motor circuit and simultaneously closes the recharge
circuit. The problem with the B&D dustbuster switch is that the
recharge connection doesn't always make a proper connection so
that many times the Ni-Cads go uncharged.

My curious mind wonders why that switch has to disconnect the recharge
circuit?

Our Dustbuster doesn't do that. But it's about 15 years old and I've
changed the NiCads about three times now, using those tabbed cells from
Radio Shack. (Takes a bit of soldering though.)

Mine recharges when it's hung on its wall rack and since there's a diode
in the charging path inside it you wouldn't do anything bad if you
accidently shorted the two charging contacts on its underside with the
motor running or not.

Jeff



did you know the Dustbuster cells are of a type designed for being left on
charge all the time,24/7/365 ? Digi-Key carrys them,but DeWalt charged me
less than what it would have cost to buy just the cells.


AFAIK, ALL Nicads can stand continuous charging currents of up to 1/10th
if their amp-hour rating. i.e. a 500ma/hr cell can take 50 ma continuously.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.98*10^14 fathoms per fortnight.

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:18:52 -0600, Puddin' Man
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:32:35 -0500, mm wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:44:55 GMT, Puddin' Man
wrote:



I've had an old B&D Dustbuster Deluxe cordless vac for years. Never really

How old. Only relevant for deciding how it is assembled.

It's a DB450. I don't 'member how old, maybe 10 years.

worked 100%. Right off the charger, it'd rev up, then slow to near nothin',
they rev up again. About to roll over and die. Practical to replace
batteries?

I've had an old B&D Spotliter rechargable flashlite since the 80's.
Worked great until just recently. Output on the charger checked
out, so it's gotta be the battery. I can't even figger out how to
get it out of the handle. Any hope?

Don't you see any screw heads?

I just looked again. No fasteners visable.

YOu can drill them out, especially
with a left handed drill bit and a reversible drill, or you can look
for special tips for their special screws. They sell them now wioth
32 tips in a red plastic thing about as big as 2 cigarette packs.

If you don't see the screw heads their under stomething. Or the case
snaps together

Doesn't look like it. The base doesn't snap together.

Take it to the airport and have them x-rey it.

If they don't want to do that for you, buy a ticket for a friend and
put it in his carry-on. Then stand behind them when he goes through
security.

P


Pease pudding hot,
Pease pudding cold,
Pease pudding in the pot
Nine days old ...

Puddin' Man wrote in
:

On 6 Jan 2007 21:09:31 GMT, Jim Yanik wrote:



did you know the Dustbuster cells are of a type designed for being
left on charge all the time,24/7/365 ?

You mean left on the charger base? Yes.

"left on the base" means they are being charged constantly.
There's no smarts in the DB charger of that era.


Digi-Key carrys them,but DeWalt charged me
less than what it would have cost to buy just the cells.

If you remember: how long ago? How much $?

Thx,
P

IIRC,it was $18 to replace the pack at the DeWalt service center,took a
week. A new DB would have cost around $22,IIRC.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jeff Wisnia wrote in
:

Jim Yanik wrote:

Jeff Wisnia wrote in
et:


wrote:

Your fault may not be the battery pack,but perhaps a bad switch.

Lost me here. I flip the switch, it closes the circuit.


It opens the motor circuit and simultaneously closes the recharge
circuit. The problem with the B&D dustbuster switch is that the
recharge connection doesn't always make a proper connection so
that many times the Ni-Cads go uncharged.

My curious mind wonders why that switch has to disconnect the
recharge circuit?

Our Dustbuster doesn't do that. But it's about 15 years old and I've
changed the NiCads about three times now, using those tabbed cells
from Radio Shack. (Takes a bit of soldering though.)

Mine recharges when it's hung on its wall rack and since there's a
diode in the charging path inside it you wouldn't do anything bad if
you accidently shorted the two charging contacts on its underside
with the motor running or not.

Jeff



did you know the Dustbuster cells are of a type designed for being
left on charge all the time,24/7/365 ? Digi-Key carrys them,but
DeWalt charged me less than what it would have cost to buy just the
cells.


AFAIK, ALL Nicads can stand continuous charging currents of up to
1/10th if their amp-hour rating. i.e. a 500ma/hr cell can take 50 ma
continuously.

Jeff



I don't believe so.regular cells are meant to be removed from the charging
current once they have becomes fuly charged.After that,they suffer.

Go check out the DigiKey info. Obviously,there ARE NiCds designed for 24/7
charging.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

On 7 Jan 2007 16:17:36 GMT, Jim Yanik wrote:

Puddin' Man wrote in
:

On 6 Jan 2007 21:09:31 GMT, Jim Yanik wrote:



did you know the Dustbuster cells are of a type designed for being
left on charge all the time,24/7/365 ?

You mean left on the charger base? Yes.

"left on the base" means they are being charged constantly.
There's no smarts in the DB charger of that era.


Digi-Key carrys them,but DeWalt charged me
less than what it would have cost to buy just the cells.

If you remember: how long ago? How much $?

Thx,
P

IIRC,it was $18 to replace the pack at the DeWalt service center,took a
week. A new DB would have cost around $22,IIRC.

And that was 5 years ago? Good chance no longer available or
cost prohibitive.

What's the relation (if any) between DeWalt and B&D?

I wish someone made a good, fully servicable cordless vac ...

I get the idea that, if 1 could analyze 50 different cordless
"appliances" now on the market, 1 would find maybe 28 differing
voltages and 47 different batteries.

Thanks,
Puddin'

Pease pudding hot,
Pease pudding cold,
Pease pudding in the pot
Nine days old ...

Jim Yanik wrote:
Jeff Wisnia wrote in
:


Jim Yanik wrote:


Jeff Wisnia wrote in
news:3OydnU_HbJqJdQLYnZ2dnUVZ_oSnnZ2d@conversen t.net:



wrote:


Your fault may not be the battery pack,but perhaps a bad switch.

Lost me here. I flip the switch, it closes the circuit.


It opens the motor circuit and simultaneously closes the recharge
circuit. The problem with the B&D dustbuster switch is that the
recharge connection doesn't always make a proper connection so
that many times the Ni-Cads go uncharged.

My curious mind wonders why that switch has to disconnect the
recharge circuit?

Our Dustbuster doesn't do that. But it's about 15 years old and I've
changed the NiCads about three times now, using those tabbed cells

from Radio Shack. (Takes a bit of soldering though.)

Mine recharges when it's hung on its wall rack and since there's a
diode in the charging path inside it you wouldn't do anything bad if
you accidently shorted the two charging contacts on its underside
with the motor running or not.

Jeff



did you know the Dustbuster cells are of a type designed for being
left on charge all the time,24/7/365 ? Digi-Key carrys them,but
DeWalt charged me less than what it would have cost to buy just the
cells.


AFAIK, ALL Nicads can stand continuous charging currents of up to
1/10th if their amp-hour rating. i.e. a 500ma/hr cell can take 50 ma
continuously.

Jeff




I don't believe so.regular cells are meant to be removed from the charging
current once they have becomes fuly charged.After that,they suffer.

Go check out the DigiKey info. Obviously,there ARE NiCds designed for 24/7
charging.



Wrll, I may have been a little generous in remembering that a continuous
charge rate of 10% of C was safe for all types of nicads.

Panasonic says here that up to 5% of C continuous "trickle" charge as
OK, without qualifying a need for special types of cells.

http://tinyurl.com/y87zqo

Shall we call it a draw? G

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.98*10^14 fathoms per fortnight.

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 21:44:50 -0500, mm wrote:


I've had an old B&D Spotliter rechargable flashlite since the 80's.
Worked great until just recently. Output on the charger checked
out, so it's gotta be the battery. I can't even figger out how to
get it out of the handle. Any hope?

Don't you see any screw heads?

I just looked again. No fasteners visable.

YOu can drill them out, especially
with a left handed drill bit and a reversible drill, or you can look
for special tips for their special screws. They sell them now wioth
32 tips in a red plastic thing about as big as 2 cigarette packs.

If you don't see the screw heads their under stomething. Or the case
snaps together

Doesn't look like it. The base doesn't snap together.

Take it to the airport and have them x-rey it.

If they don't want to do that for you, buy a ticket for a friend and
put it in his carry-on. Then stand behind them when he goes through
security.

X-ray Yo Mama! g

And Gramma, Too!! dg

Puddin'

"A truly good birddawg, even if you never, ever hunt her,
is a Precious, Precious Thing! Mayhap ruin ya for
homo sapiens ..."

replying to Puddin' Man, DrByte - Thomas Spears wrote:
pudding.man wrote:

I've had an old B&D Dustbuster Deluxe cordless vac for years. Never really
worked 100%. Right off the charger, it'd rev up, then slow to near nothin',
they rev up again. About to roll over and die. Practical to replace
batteries?
I've had an old B&D Spotliter rechargable flashlite since the 80's.
Worked great until just recently. Output on the charger checked
out, so it's gotta be the battery. I can't even figger out how to
get it out of the handle. Any hope?
Thx,
Puddin'
Pease pudding hot,
Pease pudding cold,
Pease pudding in the pot
Nine days old ...



Hello pudding man,
I also have had to figure out how to open the B & D Spotliter handle which
holds the rechargeable battery. Quite simply, remove the 2 phillips-type
screws on the larger upper part of the handle near the square compartment
holding the bulb. Then gently pull the handle apart at the fairly obvious
split on it. So now you have it open - but where do you get the
replacement battery. The battery is about 4 inches long and about 1/2" to
3/4" in diameter. It has sort of push on connectors at each end. I could
not locate any part number on the battery, but the instructions on the
battery strictly state "only replace with an identical battery."

--

its peas. not 'pease' ... theres no 'e' on the end.