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Bubba writes:

C'mon Noon,
You gotta follow along. Dont you remember? Todd is that wonderful EE
we all know and love. Oh yeah, he is also a self proclaimed computer
expert. :-)

Bubba boy, I've forgotten more about computers than I think you'll
ever know about anything. That may sound like bragging, but put it in
the perspective that based on your posting history, you simply aren't
all that bright and the bar isn't that high.

I think he also does brain surgery with that EE degree and solves
world problems in his spare time.

If dissecting your cute little brain and alerting your 2 knuckle
dragging friends in alt.hvac (where you think you are special) to what
a douchebag you are qualifies as a brain surgery and solving world
problems, well, then yes.

Bubby I'm curious of your education level. Are you one of the subset
of folks without a degree who feels like he's gotta overcompensate by
flinging poo at anyone who earned one? Or were you abused by someone
with an engineering degree as a child? Or is this really all about
your small penis and that your mother never breastfed you because she
"only liked you as a friend?"

To be clear, there are some outright idiots running around with
degrees who should go back to their alma maters and demand their money
back for how little common sense they have. There are also folks with
engineering degrees who think the sun rises and sets in their ass and
they won't listen to the sharp technicians who can help them design
better.

I also feel there are scores of folks without college degrees that are
highly intelligent extremely productive and vital members of the
workforce. But, Bubbster, all evidence seems to indicate that you
ain't one of em.


Best Regards,
--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

Todd H. wrote:
Bubba writes:

C'mon Noon,
You gotta follow along. Dont you remember? Todd is that wonderful EE
we all know and love. Oh yeah, he is also a self proclaimed computer
expert. :-)

Bubba boy, I've forgotten more about computers than I think you'll
ever know about anything. That may sound like bragging, but put it in
the perspective that based on your posting history, you simply aren't
all that bright and the bar isn't that high.

I think he also does brain surgery with that EE degree and solves
world problems in his spare time.

If dissecting your cute little brain and alerting your 2 knuckle
dragging friends in alt.hvac (where you think you are special) to what
a douchebag you are qualifies as a brain surgery and solving world
problems, well, then yes.

Bubby I'm curious of your education level. Are you one of the subset
of folks without a degree who feels like he's gotta overcompensate by
flinging poo at anyone who earned one? Or were you abused by someone
with an engineering degree as a child? Or is this really all about
your small penis and that your mother never breastfed you because she
"only liked you as a friend?"

To be clear, there are some outright idiots running around with
degrees who should go back to their alma maters and demand their money
back for how little common sense they have. There are also folks with
engineering degrees who think the sun rises and sets in their ass and
they won't listen to the sharp technicians who can help them design
better.

I also feel there are scores of folks without college degrees that are
highly intelligent extremely productive and vital members of the
workforce. But, Bubbster, all evidence seems to indicate that you
ain't one of em.


Best Regards,
--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

Todd, I also am an EE, and while I haven't spent very much time in this
group, I'll give you my take on what's happening here. Engineers are
overly analytical, and technicians sometimes take this as meaning we
believe we know everything. Also, since this is an HVAC group, I'll
venture to say it's full of blue-collar technicians.

I'll close with one of my favorite proverbs: The more you know, the
more you find you DON'T know. So ignorant people think they know
everything.

writes:
Todd, I also am an EE, and while I haven't spent very much time in this
group, I'll give you my take on what's happening here. Engineers are
overly analytical, and technicians sometimes take this as meaning we
believe we know everything. Also, since this is an HVAC group, I'll
venture to say it's full of blue-collar technicians.

Agreed.

I'll close with one of my favorite proverbs: The more you know, the
more you find you DON'T know. So ignorant people think they know
everything.

Absolutely.

And the most irritating folks are those who don't know everything, yet
who can't admit it.

And that's why I like picking on Bubba and Pauly. They both seem to
have a history of being less than helpful on questions they pretend
they know everything about...but don't. Imagine if they did! The
signal to noise ratio in alt.hvac would be a bit higher. :-)

Best Regards,
--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

On 27 Sep 2006 13:47:57 -0700, wrote:


Todd, I also am an EE, and while I haven't spent very much time in this
group, I'll give you my take on what's happening here. Engineers are
overly analytical, and technicians sometimes take this as meaning we
believe we know everything. Also, since this is an HVAC group, I'll
venture to say it's full of blue-collar technicians.

And a few others that you're not familiar with.


I'll close with one of my favorite proverbs: The more you know, the
more you find you DON'T know. So ignorant people think they know
everything.

You mean, like EE's ? :-)


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writes:

On 27 Sep 2006 13:47:57 -0700, wrote:

I'll close with one of my favorite proverbs: The more you know, the
more you find you DON'T know. So ignorant people think they know
everything.

You mean, like EE's ? :-)

But my Master's is in CompE Pauly. Gonna have to recalibrate that
wide net yer castin!

While we're playing with stereotypes, I'm pondering why is it that the
folks who are most vocal about animal rescue and animal rights tend to
be among the most dysfunctional when it comes to human to human
interaction? Causal link or coincidence? Discuss.

Best Regards,
--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

wrote:
On 27 Sep 2006 13:47:57 -0700, wrote:


Todd, I also am an EE, and while I haven't spent very much time in this
group, I'll give you my take on what's happening here. Engineers are
overly analytical, and technicians sometimes take this as meaning we
believe we know everything. Also, since this is an HVAC group, I'll
venture to say it's full of blue-collar technicians.

And a few others that you're not familiar with.


I'll close with one of my favorite proverbs: The more you know, the
more you find you DON'T know. So ignorant people think they know
everything.

You mean, like EE's ? :-)


I knew someone would do that. My 8 year old nephew could probably come
up with the same response.

On 27 Sep 2006 16:14:54 -0700, wrote:


wrote:
On 27 Sep 2006 13:47:57 -0700, wrote:


Todd, I also am an EE, and while I haven't spent very much time in this
group, I'll give you my take on what's happening here. Engineers are
overly analytical, and technicians sometimes take this as meaning we
believe we know everything. Also, since this is an HVAC group, I'll
venture to say it's full of blue-collar technicians.

And a few others that you're not familiar with.


I'll close with one of my favorite proverbs: The more you know, the
more you find you DON'T know. So ignorant people think they know
everything.

You mean, like EE's ? :-)


I knew someone would do that. My 8 year old nephew could probably come
up with the same response.

That's the kind of response I would expect from an EE.


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"Todd H." wrote in message ...
Bubba writes:

C'mon Noon,
You gotta follow along. Dont you remember? Todd is that wonderful EE
we all know and love. Oh yeah, he is also a self proclaimed computer
expert. :-)

Bubba boy, I've forgotten more about computers than I think you'll
ever know about anything. That may sound like bragging, but put it in
the perspective that based on your posting history, you simply aren't
all that bright and the bar isn't that high.

I think he also does brain surgery with that EE degree and solves
world problems in his spare time.

If dissecting your cute little brain and alerting your 2 knuckle
dragging friends in alt.hvac (where you think you are special) to what
a douchebag you are qualifies as a brain surgery and solving world
problems, well, then yes.

Bubby I'm curious of your education level. Are you one of the subset
of folks without a degree who feels like he's gotta overcompensate by
flinging poo at anyone who earned one? Or were you abused by someone
with an engineering degree as a child? Or is this really all about
your small penis and that your mother never breastfed you because she
"only liked you as a friend?"




NOTE: Todd is turning on the "Condescending, Suck-Ass, "I want you to like
me" mode now.



To be clear, there are some outright idiots running around with
degrees who should go back to their alma maters and demand their money
back for how little common sense they have. There are also folks with
engineering degrees who think the sun rises and sets in their ass and
they won't listen to the sharp technicians who can help them design
better.

I also feel there are scores of folks without college degrees that are
highly intelligent extremely productive and vital members of the
workforce.



TODD TURNS OFF THE "Condescending, Suck-Ass, "I want you to like me" mode
now.



But, Bubbster, all evidence seems to indicate that you
ain't one of em.


Best Regards,
--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

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Yes

wrote:

You mean, like EE's ? :-)


I knew someone would do that. My 8 year old nephew could probably come
up with the same response.

That's the kind of response I would expect from an EE.

Why, thank you!

Oscar_Lives wrote:

NOTE: Todd is turning on the "Condescending, Suck-Ass, "I want you to like
me" mode now.



To be clear, there are some outright idiots running around with
degrees who should go back to their alma maters and demand their money
back for how little common sense they have. There are also folks with
engineering degrees who think the sun rises and sets in their ass and
they won't listen to the sharp technicians who can help them design
better.

I also feel there are scores of folks without college degrees that are
highly intelligent extremely productive and vital members of the
workforce.



TODD TURNS OFF THE "Condescending, Suck-Ass, "I want you to like me" mode
now.

He makes perfect sense. What part didn't you get?? He gave credit
where credit is due. In other words, there are dumb people and there
are smart people of all types.

Which type are you?

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Oscar_Lives wrote:

NOTE: Todd is turning on the "Condescending, Suck-Ass, "I want you to
like
me" mode now.



To be clear, there are some outright idiots running around with
degrees who should go back to their alma maters and demand their money
back for how little common sense they have. There are also folks with
engineering degrees who think the sun rises and sets in their ass and
they won't listen to the sharp technicians who can help them design
better.

I also feel there are scores of folks without college degrees that are
highly intelligent extremely productive and vital members of the
workforce.



TODD TURNS OFF THE "Condescending, Suck-Ass, "I want you to like me"
mode
now.

He makes perfect sense. What part didn't you get?? He gave credit
where credit is due. In other words, there are dumb people and there
are smart people of all types.

Which type are you?



There are also very smart engineers who really know their ****, and there
are technicians who can't find their ass with both hands and a flashlight.

So ****ing what?

On 27 Sep 2006 09:14:55 -0500, (Todd H.) wrote:

Bubba writes:

C'mon Noon,
You gotta follow along. Dont you remember? Todd is that wonderful EE
we all know and love. Oh yeah, he is also a self proclaimed computer
expert. :-)

Bubba boy, I've forgotten more about computers than I think you'll
ever know about anything. That may sound like bragging, but put it in
the perspective that based on your posting history, you simply aren't
all that bright and the bar isn't that high.

I think he also does brain surgery with that EE degree and solves
world problems in his spare time.

If dissecting your cute little brain and alerting your 2 knuckle
dragging friends in alt.hvac (where you think you are special) to what
a douchebag you are qualifies as a brain surgery and solving world
problems, well, then yes.

Bubby I'm curious of your education level. Are you one of the subset
of folks without a degree who feels like he's gotta overcompensate by
flinging poo at anyone who earned one? Or were you abused by someone
with an engineering degree as a child? Or is this really all about
your small penis and that your mother never breastfed you because she
"only liked you as a friend?"

To be clear, there are some outright idiots running around with
degrees who should go back to their alma maters and demand their money
back for how little common sense they have. There are also folks with
engineering degrees who think the sun rises and sets in their ass and
they won't listen to the sharp technicians who can help them design
better.

I also feel there are scores of folks without college degrees that are
highly intelligent extremely productive and vital members of the
workforce. But, Bubbster, all evidence seems to indicate that you
ain't one of em.


Best Regards,

Me thinks someone forgot that I told them to,
"Have a nice life".
Looks like you're not having it yet.
Bubba

Bubba writes:

Me thinks someone forgot that I told them to,
"Have a nice life".
Looks like you're not having it yet.
Bubba

Oh, don't worry Bubba, I am! But thank you for your concern.

This relaxes me. :-)

--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

Sorry for the missunderstanding. What I was trying to say didnt reflect
buying a system like you would buy a car but evaluating the function ie
efficiency of the system using the analogy of fuel milage. For example
if you get a unit that is bigger than you actually need and it short
cycles (like city driving) you will get less efficiency per gallon
(less miles per gallon) then getting a unit that meets the heat load
specs so when it runs, it runs longer (like highway milage) and is more
efficient. This does not mean just adequate performance what it does
mean is the unit should not be oversized or your going to be wasting
yuor money on the unit and wasting you money on fuel.

Hope that helps
John
http://www.HeatingOilHelp.com and

http://www.HomeHeatingOilPrices.com


wrote:
jbogs wrote:
The goal is not to go to big with a unit since that will reduce the
actual efficiencies of the unit and you will be using more fuel with
the constant starts and stops. The goal is to have the unit on the
coldest day run for 45 minutes. This is like higheway mileage vs city
stop and go.

So bigger is not better.

I don't think a car analogy is a good one. Imagine walking into a car
dealership and saying I want model X, with options Y and engine Z and
all of a sudden getting interrupted by the dealer saying, sorry, you
can't choose the engine, I will pick the engine for you that will
maximize your gas mileage and give you barely adequate performance
under your worse case load conditions (i.e., you will have to floor the
gas pedal to maintain 55 mph), I don't think many consumers would be
happy to hear that...

Lets face it. A clean organized area is a clean organized mind. If the
"tech" is drinking buddies with the owner than the place is a mess to.
I dont know any druggies that keep a clean anything.

If there good and they cant keep their arms around keeping the office
clean and organized it means that chances are they are understaffed
have no proceedures in place and are burning the candles at both ends.
If they have time to keep a clean office it means they are organised,
efficent and have good employees.

Regardless if its a mess it shows poor skills no matter how you slice
it. Why so critical did I hit a nerve with you?

Impressions count and the goal here is to help the person find a good
company not be cranky right?


wrote:
On 26 Sep 2006 06:53:41 -0700, "jbogs" wrote:

Here's the inside scoop. You need to ask how long the techs have been
working for the company and the length of time they have been in the
business. This tells you 2 things. 1.) If the techs have been with the
company a long time it shows the company is strong and is run well. If

Or it means the company sucks, rips people off, and the
ex-felon druggy 'tech' that's been there 20 years can't get a job
anywhere else, and is drinking buddies with the owner.

Check to see how they maintain their vehicals inside and out. If it's
messy on the inside beware,

Bull****. The worst techs sometimes keep the cleanest trucks.
Because they have nothing better to do, and that's the only thing they
can do right, is wash a car.

Visit their office. If the inside of the office is in chaos RUN.

If they're good, a busy office is likely.


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On 27 Sep 2006 21:44:06 -0700, "jbogs" wrote:

Lets face it. A clean organized area is a clean organized mind. If the

Let's face it - a clean organized work area is a sure sign of
an anal-retentive with nothing better to do.

"tech" is drinking buddies with the owner than the place is a mess to.
I dont know any druggies that keep a clean anything.

If there good and they cant keep their arms around keeping the office
clean and organized it means that chances are they are understaffed
have no proceedures in place and are burning the candles at both ends.
If they have time to keep a clean office it means they are organised,
efficent and have good employees.

Or it means they have nothing better to do, or it means they
are thiefs that know some people are impressed by a neat office.

Regardless if its a mess it shows poor skills no matter how you slice
it. Why so critical did I hit a nerve with you?

No, I just called 'bull****' on your nonsense. You're one of
those who thinks techs should look like little soldiers on parade
review, neatly ironed seams in their pants, fresh haircut, just got
out of the shower, 2 spare uniforms in the truck in case god forbid
they get dirty during the day, sparkling chrome on the vehicle, inside
looks like an advertisement for a perfect dream service truck. At any
given moment throughout the day, they look like they're getting ready
to pose for a company photoshoot, and like they haven't done any
actual work yet. Which is likely true. HVAC/R work is like sex - if
you do it right, it's a little bit dirty.

I've worked with guys like that, and invariably, they were
****ing incompetent. I've had a few fired for it. The only thing
they were good at was washing their truck and ironing their pants.
They spent more time in front of the mirror than they did making sure
they hadn't missed anything on a service call.

Impressions count and the goal here is to help the person find a good
company not be cranky right?

I have no goal here at all except to say whatever the hell I
please. This ain't my workplace, and no one's paying me here.


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wrote in message
...
I have no goal here at all except to say whatever the hell I
please. This ain't my workplace, and no one's paying me here.


You don't collect your minion check?

Where's that ****ing shop steward...Prolly
nailin the dispatcher again.

On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:32:54 -0400, "She-Hate-Me"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
I have no goal here at all except to say whatever the hell I
please. This ain't my workplace, and no one's paying me here.


You don't collect your minion check?

You keep forgetting to send it.



Where's that ****ing shop steward...Prolly
nailin the dispatcher again.


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'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
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wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:32:54 -0400, "She-Hate-Me"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
I have no goal here at all except to say whatever the hell I
please. This ain't my workplace, and no one's paying me here.


You don't collect your minion check?

You keep forgetting to send it.


You keep failing to provide minion benefits in a timely manner.

Who is the damn shop steward these days? I wanna file a grievance but don't
know who to send it to.






Where's that ****ing shop steward...Prolly
nailin the dispatcher again.


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'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/