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I have a Carrier Weather maker SX - model number 58SXA100-JG Serial
Number - 4390A02724 - the only reason I'm including the serial number is because someone told me that you may be able to tell the age of the unit. I don't know the age of the unit. It is definitely before the age of blinking leds to help diagnose problems. We had to replace the AC unit when we moved in 3 years ago, I've replaced it with a Lennox AC unit. About 1 month ago the furnace started to work intermittently on a weekend - of course. I called a local repair shop and they sent a guy out who listened to my story and said it's probably your high temp limit switch. We can replace it and do the green label program for $245.00. I was cold, so I said okay. I was in the middle of replacing the furnace filter when he arrived. The furnace worked that day, but the next morning it stopped working again. I called the shop and the same guy came over and said, you know I didn't have the right temperature high limit switch, so I'm going to replace the original one I put in with one that has a higher temperature rating at no charge. Well it worked for about 10 days, then stopped again. I called the same firm and a new guy came and said the only thing he could find wrong with it was that door to the blower fan housing was loose and the safety switch didn't let the furnace go on. No charge for that service call either. The furnace worked for another couple of days and stopped again. At this point I said to my wife, well I'm going to give these folks one more chance. I called them and told them that I was getting pretty frustrated. So they sent a new person over. A very, very conscientious and persistent fellow. He said right up front that he didn't like working on this type of furnace, that it was particularly difficult to diagnose. But he started in. He checked the power both 115v and 24v to the furnance, gas valve circuit board, high limit switch through the inducer circuitboard. He found that the inducer circuitboard was bad. The board had that "toasted" electronics smell. He said that he would have to replace the inducer circuitboard - $365.00. I said okay. So then the inducer motor came on, the pilot came on, the gas valve opened and the main burner came on. But there was no power to the blower motor from the main circuit board. The blower motor did work using a manual setting. He said he'd like to try to replace the main circuit board - cost $210. He replaced the main circuit board and still could not get the blower motor to run. He called another tech and they both traced all of the circuits using the schematics on the furnace and the schematics that came with the new parts. They could not get the blower motor to come on. So far total cost was $821, and the furnace was still not working. So - I asked them to put back the old circuit boards and not charge me the $365 and $210 for the new circuit boards. - I'll deal with the $245 later. My questions: 1) Should I call a "certified" carrier repair person, and get an estimate for what it would take to fix. Are these furnaces really that hard to diagnose? I know I need the inducer circuit board at $365.00. Is it worth getting fixed or 2) Should I start getting quotes - including a manual j calculation for a new furnace 3) If I do need a new furnace, are there any issues of mixing and maxing AC and furnace brands? I'm assuming that there isn't. 3) $245 sounds excessive for a limit switch that is very inexpensive. What's a reasonable rate for that. 4) If I did have to buy a new furnace, based on my description above, would you consider going through that shop for a new furnace - I'd probably get a credit of $245. I think I know the answer to this - call the local HVAC supply house, and ask them who would they use. Thanks - hope this has been entertaining for some of you. |
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![]() "Paul" wrote in message om... My questions: 1) Should I call a "certified" carrier repair person, and get an estimate for what it would take to fix. Are these furnaces really that hard to diagnose? I know I need the inducer circuit board at $365.00. Is it worth getting fixed or You need to, at the very least, call someone that knows what they are doing! The "techs" you have been calling don't! I don't work on Carrier furnaces every day, but they are relatively simple to work on. Also $245 seems quite a bit high for a limit switch, unless you are counting after hours labor in the price too. Greg |
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You just convinced me to keep my 26year old Lennox!
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Don't post in alt.hvac, they are just a bunch of fat ass hvac guys who
will tell you to just call another $90/hour fat ass hvac guy who will just end up scratching his fat ass while saying 'duhhhhh' Where do high school dropouts go? Into hvac. On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:43:27 GMT, "Martik" wrote: You just convinced me to keep my 26year old Lennox! Try posting in alt.hvac |
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![]() "Markie" wrote in message ... Don't post in alt.hvac, they are just a bunch of fat ass hvac guys who will tell you to just call another $90/hour fat ass hvac guy who will just end up scratching his fat ass while saying 'duhhhhh' Where do high school dropouts go? Into hvac. Another 7th grade drop-out named Markie heard from. Tell me Markie....is there a thing called cold? Is cold a real thing? Please....answer that one...and everyone else...let Markie Boy answer this one.... ![]() On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:43:27 GMT, "Martik" wrote: You just convinced me to keep my 26year old Lennox! Try posting in alt.hvac |
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Did you have a guy called Chris Young out , a Stoooormin Mormin. ?
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![]() "Paul" wrote in message om... I have a Carrier Weather maker SX - model number 58SXA100-JG Serial Number - 4390A02724 - the only reason I'm including the serial number is because someone told me that you may be able to tell the age of the unit. I don't know the age of the unit. It is definitely before the age of blinking leds to help diagnose problems. We had to replace the AC unit when we moved in 3 years ago, I've replaced it with a Lennox AC unit. I'm not too familiar with this model, but I can tell you that it was made the 43rd week of 1990. I'm not a big fan of Carrier, but I think they are better than Lennox...... |
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"Paul" wrote in message
...One thing that I neglected to mention (I tried to be thorough!) was that the first person that put in the limit switch also kicked up the blower speed. The carrier person said that perhaps (won't know until he's here) the way the wiring was changed to kick the fan speed up could be part of the problem... That's another thing. You get several different people (some not very experienced) out working on an electronic problem and one or more of them causes new problems. Then you still have the original problem plus the new problem(s)! |
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You can get into some really hairy problems with electronic problems of
this nature. Sometimes one bad circuit board will cause another to fail. Then you replace the failed circuit board, but the problem is still there and the circuit board fails again. Some intermittent problems will happen only when the circuit boards are warm or only when they are cold. Then the intermittent problem may go away when the service guy shows up, so he can't find what is causing the problem. Sometimes there can be one wire which is broken or has a bad connection. Just disconnecting a circuit board and reconnecting it can make it work again. Then the wire fails again in a few days. So you can keep installing new circuit boards thinking they are going bad, but the real problem is a loose or bad wiring connection! These things can be a royal pain to track down. Even the best service technicians will have a difficult time solving these problems and it may take several service calls before the problem is found. Some service organizations have an "escalation" policy where more and more knowledgeable technicians are sent out until the problem is resolved. Sometimes someone from the factory will even show up for real nasty cases. (I don't know if this is done in the HVAC industry or not.) If you want to resolve the problem quickly, I would get a new furnace. Otherwise go with the "certified" repair person idea and keep calling them back until it is fixed.... "Paul" wrote in message I have a Carrier Weather maker SX - model number 58SXA100-JG Serial Number - 4390A02724 - the only reason I'm including the serial number is because someone told me that you may be able to tell the age of the unit. I don't know the age of the unit. It is definitely before the age of blinking leds to help diagnose problems. We had to replace the AC unit when we moved in 3 years ago, I've replaced it with a Lennox AC unit. About 1 month ago the furnace started to work intermittently on a weekend - of course. I called a local repair shop and they sent a guy out who listened to my story and said it's probably your high temp limit switch. We can replace it and do the green label program for $245.00. I was cold, so I said okay. I was in the middle of replacing the furnace filter when he arrived. The furnace worked that day, but the next morning it stopped working again. I called the shop and the same guy came over and said, you know I didn't have the right temperature high limit switch, so I'm going to replace the original one I put in with one that has a higher temperature rating at no charge. Well it worked for about 10 days, then stopped again. I called the same firm and a new guy came and said the only thing he could find wrong with it was that door to the blower fan housing was loose and the safety switch didn't let the furnace go on. No charge for that service call either. The furnace worked for another couple of days and stopped again. At this point I said to my wife, well I'm going to give these folks one more chance. I called them and told them that I was getting pretty frustrated. So they sent a new person over. A very, very conscientious and persistent fellow. He said right up front that he didn't like working on this type of furnace, that it was particularly difficult to diagnose. But he started in. He checked the power both 115v and 24v to the furnance, gas valve circuit board, high limit switch through the inducer circuitboard. He found that the inducer circuitboard was bad. The board had that "toasted" electronics smell. He said that he would have to replace the inducer circuitboard - $365.00. I said okay. So then the inducer motor came on, the pilot came on, the gas valve opened and the main burner came on. But there was no power to the blower motor from the main circuit board. The blower motor did work using a manual setting. He said he'd like to try to replace the main circuit board - cost $210. He replaced the main circuit board and still could not get the blower motor to run. He called another tech and they both traced all of the circuits using the schematics on the furnace and the schematics that came with the new parts. They could not get the blower motor to come on. So far total cost was $821, and the furnace was still not working. So - I asked them to put back the old circuit boards and not charge me the $365 and $210 for the new circuit boards. - I'll deal with the $245 later. My questions: 1) Should I call a "certified" carrier repair person, and get an estimate for what it would take to fix. Are these furnaces really that hard to diagnose? I know I need the inducer circuit board at $365.00. Is it worth getting fixed or 2) Should I start getting quotes - including a manual j calculation for a new furnace 3) If I do need a new furnace, are there any issues of mixing and maxing AC and furnace brands? I'm assuming that there isn't. 3) $245 sounds excessive for a limit switch that is very inexpensive. What's a reasonable rate for that. 4) If I did have to buy a new furnace, based on my description above, would you consider going through that shop for a new furnace - I'd probably get a credit of $245. I think I know the answer to this - call the local HVAC supply house, and ask them who would they use. Thanks - hope this has been entertaining for some of you. |
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Thought I'd let folks know what happened. I called Carrier and they
immediately tranferred me to a local certified tech. He said the particular furnace I have can be tricky at times, but this time it seemed pretty straight forward. He came out and discovered I had two bad boards - an inducer circuit board, and a blower circuit board. Everything is working fine now. I had told the tech that the other repair folks had tried replacing those boards ( I made them swap them back when they couldn't get the furnace working). The carrier certified tech said it looked like the original repair folks probably had the wiring wrong and blew up the blower circuit board... The carrier tech had to change the way the thermostat had been wired to the blower circuit board. Another thing that I liked about this particular company was that they itemized the bill - price of parts, price of labor.... The first company just said this is what it will cost(after he had done some diagnoses). (Paul) wrote in message . com... I have a Carrier Weather maker SX - model number 58SXA100-JG Serial Number - 4390A02724 - the only reason I'm including the serial number is because someone told me that you may be able to tell the age of the unit. I don't know the age of the unit. It is definitely before the age of blinking leds to help diagnose problems. We had to replace the AC unit when we moved in 3 years ago, I've replaced it with a Lennox AC unit. About 1 month ago the furnace started to work intermittently on a weekend - of course. I called a local repair shop and they sent a guy out who listened to my story and said it's probably your high temp limit switch. We can replace it and do the green label program for $245.00. I was cold, so I said okay. I was in the middle of replacing the furnace filter when he arrived. The furnace worked that day, but the next morning it stopped working again. I called the shop and the same guy came over and said, you know I didn't have the right temperature high limit switch, so I'm going to replace the original one I put in with one that has a higher temperature rating at no charge. Well it worked for about 10 days, then stopped again. I called the same firm and a new guy came and said the only thing he could find wrong with it was that door to the blower fan housing was loose and the safety switch didn't let the furnace go on. No charge for that service call either. The furnace worked for another couple of days and stopped again. At this point I said to my wife, well I'm going to give these folks one more chance. I called them and told them that I was getting pretty frustrated. So they sent a new person over. A very, very conscientious and persistent fellow. He said right up front that he didn't like working on this type of furnace, that it was particularly difficult to diagnose. But he started in. He checked the power both 115v and 24v to the furnance, gas valve circuit board, high limit switch through the inducer circuitboard. He found that the inducer circuitboard was bad. The board had that "toasted" electronics smell. He said that he would have to replace the inducer circuitboard - $365.00. I said okay. So then the inducer motor came on, the pilot came on, the gas valve opened and the main burner came on. But there was no power to the blower motor from the main circuit board. The blower motor did work using a manual setting. He said he'd like to try to replace the main circuit board - cost $210. He replaced the main circuit board and still could not get the blower motor to run. He called another tech and they both traced all of the circuits using the schematics on the furnace and the schematics that came with the new parts. They could not get the blower motor to come on. So far total cost was $821, and the furnace was still not working. So - I asked them to put back the old circuit boards and not charge me the $365 and $210 for the new circuit boards. - I'll deal with the $245 later. My questions: 1) Should I call a "certified" carrier repair person, and get an estimate for what it would take to fix. Are these furnaces really that hard to diagnose? I know I need the inducer circuit board at $365.00. Is it worth getting fixed or 2) Should I start getting quotes - including a manual j calculation for a new furnace 3) If I do need a new furnace, are there any issues of mixing and maxing AC and furnace brands? I'm assuming that there isn't. 3) $245 sounds excessive for a limit switch that is very inexpensive. What's a reasonable rate for that. 4) If I did have to buy a new furnace, based on my description above, would you consider going through that shop for a new furnace - I'd probably get a credit of $245. I think I know the answer to this - call the local HVAC supply house, and ask them who would they use. Thanks - hope this has been entertaining for some of you. |
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