Bush shuld of stopped Israels attack, not only didnt Israel get their
hostages back but the hezbollah and iran came out winning.

bush set up a loser situation............

bush the failed idiot president, he and cheney should resign for
incompetence.

Iraq the new vietnam..........

"Hoy Paloy" wrote in message
...

http://www.vdare.com/misc/060818_buchanan.htm

Judgment Day Coming - For The Neocons

By Patrick J. Buchanan

The Democrats are determined to make the election of 2006 a referendum
on Bush and the war in Iraq. And, as of now, that is how history will
likely record it.

But beneath the surface of the national election, a different
plebiscite is being held, within the conservative movement, on the
ideology George Bush imposed on Ronald Reagan's party.

What are the elements of Bu****e neoconservatism?

First, an interventionist foreign policy, using U.S. power to impose
democracy and "end tyranny on this earth." Afghanistan, Iraq and
Lebanon are the laboratories and proving ground.

Second, "Big Government Conservatism," as seen in the deficits, the
dearth of vetoes, soaring social spending in wartime, the bulking up
of the Department of Education and "faith-based initiatives" -
LBJ-style cash grants to pastors and parsons for social-gospel work,
to reap a harvest of gratitude from the pulpits in elections to come.

Third, a La Raza immigration policy, featuring amnesty and a "path to
citizenship" for 12 million illegal aliens, pardons for all businesses
that hired illegals and outsourcing of immigration policy to Corporate
America to go abroad and hire workers for jobs here Americans cannot
take at the wages offered.

Fourth, a trade policy rooted in the belief that it does not matter
where goods are produced or whether Americans produce them. What
matters is unimpeded global commerce, where the consumer is king and
gets all the goods he wants at the cheapest possible price.

On these four mega-questions, Republicans are as divided as they were
in the days of Rockefeller and Goldwater. Where the right unites - on
tax cuts, John Roberts and Sam Alito - the president has the nation
behind him.

Wherever "conservatives" stand - whether Old Right or neocon,
supply-sider or deficit hawk, America First or global democrat, big
government or small government - the returns of Bush's policies are
largely in and the outcome unlikely to change. And this is why Bush
and the GOP are in trouble, and neoconservatism is in the dock.

The altarpiece of the Bush foreign policy is Iraq. American dead are
at 2,600, the wounded at 18,000. Three hundred billion dollars has
been plunged into the war. Yet Iraq is a bloodier, more dangerous
place than it has been since the fall of Baghdad. One hundred are
being killed every day, half of them in the capital. IED attacks on
U.S. troops are at record levels - three and a half years after
Baghdad fell.

The Bush democracy campaign brought stunning electoral gains for the
Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Hamas in Palestine, Hezbollah in Lebanon
and Moqtada al-Sadr in Iraq. Our ally Hamid Kharzai is today little
more than mayor of Kabul, as the Taliban roam the southeast and
coalition casualties reach the highest levels since liberation five
years ago.

North Korea and Iran remain defiant on their nuclear programs.
Vladimir Putin is befriending every regime at odds with Bush, from
Tehran to Damascus to Caracas. Neocon meddling in the Bear's backyard
has gotten us bit.

Unless we grade foreign policy on the nobility of the intent, which is
how the liberals used to defend disasters like Yalta, it is not
credible to call Bush's foreign policy a success. The Lebanon debacle,
once U.S. complicity is exposed, is unlikely to win anyone a Nobel.

Bush's trade policy has left us with annual deficits of $800 billion
with the world and $200 billion with Beijing. Once the greatest
creditor nation in history, we are now the greatest debtor. U.S.
manufacturing has been hollowed out with thousands of plants closed
and 3 million industrial jobs vanishing since Bush took office.

As for Bush immigration policy, the nation is in virtual rebellion.
Six million aliens have been caught at the Mexican border since he
took office. One in 12 had a criminal record. In April-May, millions
of Hispanics marched through U.S. cities demanding amnesty and all
rights of citizenship for aliens who are breaking the law by even
being here. Bush and the Senate are in paralysis, appeasing the
lawbreakers by offering amnesties and by opposing House demands that
the president seal the border before the invasion brings an end to the
America we once knew.

While the economy has been running well since 2003, creating jobs, and
the markets are performing well, the real wages of working Americans
have not kept pace with the portfolios of the clients of Lawrence
Kudlow. Industrial states, like Ohio, could be killing fields of the
GOP in November.

To the neocon guru Irving Kristol, "The historical task and political
purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be ... to convert the
Republican Party and American conservatism in general, against their
respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to
governing a modern democracy." [The Neoconservative Persuasion, Weekly
Standard, August 25, 2003]

With some of us, the tutoring never took, but the neocons surely did
convert George W. How's your boy doing, Irving?

America needs a populist movement.

hank-----------

wrote:
Bush shuld of stopped Israels attack, not only didnt Israel get their
hostages back but the hezbollah and iran came out winning.

Wasn't Bush's fault that the political leadership of Israel was incompetent
or that the IDF Chief of Staff came from the Air Force.


bush set up a loser situation............

bush the failed idiot president, he and cheney should resign for
incompetence.

Iraq the new vietnam..........

Maybe, then, a second chance? Ah, if we could have only killed Ho Chi Min's
children, confiscated his money, exiled his family, evicted him from his
home(s), imprisoned his friends, and put him in a hole, Viet Nam would
probably have turned out differently.

No, probably not. The Democrats would have still cut off funding to support
our allies as they did with South Viet Nam.

In article ,
says...
wrote:
Bush shuld of stopped Israels attack, not only didnt Israel get their
hostages back but the hezbollah and iran came out winning.

Wasn't Bush's fault that the political leadership of Israel was incompetent
or that the IDF Chief of Staff came from the Air Force.


bush set up a loser situation............

bush the failed idiot president, he and cheney should resign for
incompetence.

Iraq the new vietnam..........

Maybe, then, a second chance? Ah, if we could have only killed Ho Chi Min's
children, confiscated his money, exiled his family, evicted him from his
home(s), imprisoned his friends, and put him in a hole, Viet Nam would
probably have turned out differently.

No, probably not. The Democrats would have still cut off funding to support
our allies as they did with South Viet Nam.

Wow, somebody's got it! ...and on a "consumer" group, where all
the lefties and whiners hang out.

They *ARE* out to get you, folks.

--
Keith

krw wrote:
Iraq the new vietnam..........

Maybe, then, a second chance? Ah, if we could have only killed Ho
Chi Min's children, confiscated his money, exiled his family,
evicted him from his home(s), imprisoned his friends, and put him in
a hole, Viet Nam would probably have turned out differently.

No, probably not. The Democrats would have still cut off funding to
support our allies as they did with South Viet Nam.

Wow, somebody's got it! ...and on a "consumer" group, where all
the lefties and whiners hang out.


Not THIS group. This group is populated, in the main, by self-reliant,
hard-working, intelligent folk with the "do it yourself" attitude rather
than the "government does it for me" mind-set.

We're the "I see something wrong and I'll fix it myself if it harelips the
cat" bunch.

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:57:08 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Wow, somebody's got it! ...and on a "consumer" group, where all
the lefties and whiners hang out.


Not THIS group. This group is populated, in the main, by self-reliant,
hard-working, intelligent folk with the "do it yourself" attitude rather
than the "government does it for me" mind-set.

And which group is that?
This was crossposted to three: neworleans.general, alt.home.repair,
and rec.photo.digital.

We're the "I see something wrong and I'll fix it myself if it harelips the
cat" bunch.
--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
krw wrote:
Iraq the new vietnam..........

Maybe, then, a second chance? Ah, if we could have only killed Ho
Chi Min's children, confiscated his money, exiled his family,
evicted him from his home(s), imprisoned his friends, and put him in
a hole, Viet Nam would probably have turned out differently.

No, probably not. The Democrats would have still cut off funding to
support our allies as they did with South Viet Nam.

Wow, somebody's got it! ...and on a "consumer" group, where all
the lefties and whiners hang out.


Not THIS group. This group is populated, in the main, by self-reliant,
hard-working, intelligent folk with the "do it yourself" attitude rather
than the "government does it for me" mind-set.

We're the "I see something wrong and I'll fix it myself if it harelips the
cat" bunch.


You are a shower of short sighted ignorant Americans who do not know your
arses from your elbows.

Your knowledge of world politics is considerably less than the bowlegged
intellectual midget who keeps talking about "Freedom", and about which he
knows nothing.

The government of South Vietnam, was an evil dictatorship, which operated
for its own personal benefit.

The prolonged War was bound to end in failure for America, simply because
America was trying to support a totally unpopular and thoroughly corrupt
regime.

There is no argument that the people of Vietnam are now much better off and
happier than they ever were before. This could all have been achieved
without the dreadfull loss of so many brave young Americans.

A real understanding of World Politics, instead of Name Calling, would have
made the difference.

It is about time that the posturing over Cuba, also came to an end.

That posturing is only because Castro is a Communist.

If America had supported him and the people of Cuba for overcoming the
previous Evil & Mafia Ridden Dictatorship, would he still be running a one
party state, or would Cuba now be a prosperous democracy?

Roy G

On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:19:00 GMT, Roy G wrote:

It is about time that the posturing over Cuba, also came to an end.

That posturing is only because Castro is a Communist.

If America had supported him and the people of Cuba for overcoming the
previous Evil & Mafia Ridden Dictatorship, would he still be running a one
party state, or would Cuba now be a prosperous democracy?

Hand this man a cigar! I heard someone talking about Cuba several
days ago mention some interesting things about Cuba, Fidel and the
Bush family. That while Fidel was traipsing around in his part of
Cuba (Oriente Province) that he was funded in part by some member of
the Bush family that had some economic interest in that area (not
oil, and I wasn't paying close attention when the guy's name was
mentioned). Also that the CIA's internal name for the Bay of Pigs
operation was Operation Zapata, named after George HW Bush's Houston
based Zapata Petroleum Corporation. Given to Bush to be used in the
Bay of Pigs invasion were three ships, Río Escondido, Houston and
Barbara J. Barbara Bush has no middle name, and Pierce, her maiden
name obviously doesn't start with or contain a "J". So whether the
Barbara J. was named after Barbara B. is not known. If it was named
after her, perhaps the "J" was based on something or someone that
would later play a part in the choice of Jeb as the name of one of
her sons.

Coming? It came - and went.

Roy G wrote:

If America had supported him and the people of Cuba for overcoming the
previous Evil & Mafia Ridden Dictatorship, would he still be running a one
party state, or would Cuba now be a prosperous democracy?


Could you enlighten me please? I'm trying to think of other democratic
communist states, and I can't think of any. Socialist, maybe.

Really, I'd like to know.

On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:08:33 -0700, Taunto wrote:

Roy G wrote:

If America had supported him and the people of Cuba for overcoming the
previous Evil & Mafia Ridden Dictatorship, would he still be running a one
party state, or would Cuba now be a prosperous democracy?


Could you enlighten me please? I'm trying to think of other democratic
communist states, and I can't think of any. Socialist, maybe.

Really, I'd like to know.
There is no democratic state and hasn't been since ancient Greece.
--
Neil
Delete l to reply

Neil Ellwood wrote:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:08:33 -0700, Taunto wrote:


Roy G wrote:

If America had supported him and the people of Cuba for overcoming the
previous Evil & Mafia Ridden Dictatorship, would he still be running a one
party state, or would Cuba now be a prosperous democracy?


Could you enlighten me please? I'm trying to think of other democratic
communist states, and I can't think of any. Socialist, maybe.

Really, I'd like to know.

There is no democratic state and hasn't been since ancient Greece.

Looks like we'll have to send you through the conditioning one more time.

--
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"Work like no one is watching,
Dance like you've never been hurt, and
Love like you don't need the money"

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On 08/23/06 04:17 am Neil Ellwood wrote:

If America had supported him and the people of Cuba for overcoming the
previous Evil & Mafia Ridden Dictatorship, would he still be running a one
party state, or would Cuba now be a prosperous democracy?

Could you enlighten me please? I'm trying to think of other democratic
communist states, and I can't think of any. Socialist, maybe.

Really, I'd like to know.

There is no democratic state and hasn't been since ancient Greece.

And I was surprised to find that the official answer to the question
"What kind of government does the
United States have?" on the Citizenship Test for those seeking to become
US citizens is not "A Democracy" but "A Republic."

Perce

Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
On 08/23/06 04:17 am Neil Ellwood wrote:

If America had supported him and the people of Cuba for overcoming
the previous Evil & Mafia Ridden Dictatorship, would he still be
running a one party state, or would Cuba now be a prosperous democracy?


Could you enlighten me please? I'm trying to think of other
democratic communist states, and I can't think of any. Socialist,
maybe.

Really, I'd like to know.


There is no democratic state and hasn't been since ancient Greece.


And I was surprised to find that the official answer to the question
"What kind of government does the
United States have?" on the Citizenship Test for those seeking to become
US citizens is not "A Democracy" but "A Republic."

Perce

I thought it was a democratic republic, or was that just to get the
religion vote?

duh wrote:
Neil Ellwood wrote:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:08:33 -0700, Taunto wrote:


Roy G wrote:

If America had supported him and the people of Cuba for overcoming
the previous Evil & Mafia Ridden Dictatorship, would he still be
running a one party state, or would Cuba now be a prosperous democracy?


Could you enlighten me please? I'm trying to think of other
democratic communist states, and I can't think of any. Socialist,
maybe.

Really, I'd like to know.

There is no democratic state and hasn't been since ancient Greece.

Looks like we'll have to send you through the conditioning one more time.

You're arguing with alt.home.repair and rec.photo.digital?

Wtf?

I can see it now, glue-guns and digiscopes at 20 paces.

It's shop class vs the audio/visual club. Watch as they take down New
Orleans. ARRRrrr. The ultimate grudge match. Mothra is the referee.

Neil Ellwood wrote:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:08:33 -0700, Taunto wrote:

Roy G wrote:

If America had supported him and the people of Cuba for overcoming the
previous Evil & Mafia Ridden Dictatorship, would he still be running a one
party state, or would Cuba now be a prosperous democracy?


Could you enlighten me please? I'm trying to think of other democratic
communist states, and I can't think of any. Socialist, maybe.

Really, I'd like to know.

There is no democratic state and hasn't been since ancient Greece.

democracy
a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and
exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
representation usually involving periodically held free elections

www.m-w.com

--
Ray Fischer