Is it possible to get Liquid Wrench or the equivalent in quarts.
Instead of the 4 oz bottles which is the largest size I've seen "nut
busters" in.

"mm" wrote in message
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Is it possible to get Liquid Wrench or the equivalent in quarts.
Instead of the 4 oz bottles which is the largest size I've seen "nut
busters" in.

www.mcmaster.com Page 2016 You can even get 5 gallons

mm writes:

Is it possible to get Liquid Wrench or the equivalent in quarts.

Don't be a sucker for "tiny can big label" marketing.

Liquid Wrench is just a petroleum distillate of about kerosene weight.
Gallons of (overpriced) kero at the paint store. Diesel fuel would be the
cheapest ready source of kerosene plus a few smelly additives.

I've never seen evidence that any of it really loosens nuts, although it
does lubricate them after they're loose.

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:46:44 -0500, Richard J Kinch
wrote:

mm writes:

Is it possible to get Liquid Wrench or the equivalent in quarts.

Don't be a sucker for "tiny can big label" marketing.

I don't think I'm a sucker. I've been using liquid wrench for 30 or
40 years and I think it is different from other things.

Liquid Wrench is just a petroleum distillate of about kerosene weight.
Gallons of (overpriced) kero at the paint store.

That's for sure. I needed kerosene too and it was 7 dollars a gallon
at Ace Hardware, (which did have the square U-bolts I was looking for.
I think I posted to say that already, follow-up to another thread,
where someone said to look in Ace Hardware and he was right.)

I think I'm going to buy kerosene at a fuel oil place. At another
hardware store I asked for kerosene and they sent me out to the yard,
and the guy there refilled my quart can from a big tank and charged
very little.

Diesel fuel would be the
cheapest ready source of kerosene plus a few smelly additives.

I've never seen evidence that any of it really loosens nuts, although it
does lubricate them after they're loose.

It worked just today, although it was the stuff that comes in the
"Zoom spout oiler", a cylindrical almost clear plastic bottle with a
long spout, in which is a movable tube which comes out to make the
whole tube about 6 inches long. I call it an oiler because I see the
oil for sale a lot of places, but the nut buster or whatever they call
it, I've only seen at 2 places, one of which doesn't sell it anymore.

Today I couldn't remove the distributor cap from my 95 Chrysler and
was starting to damage the screws, even with a good screwdriver. I
think perhaps it had never been opened and certainly not in the 4
years I've had the car. I put some of this on each of them, and
waited a couple minutes, and I got both of them. I don't think
kerosene is that thin, or that diesel fuel would work at all.



I have 3 bottles, one with this liquid wrench type stuff, one with
light oil, and one with 10W-30. Plus 3 empty bottles and I'm tired of
buying it 4 ounces at a time, or paying for 4 ounces more than what
they sell a quart for at McMaster (2.98) I'm going to make a list of
things and order from them. Thanks Edwin and Richard.

mm wrote in
:

Is it possible to get Liquid Wrench or the equivalent in quarts.
Instead of the 4 oz bottles which is the largest size I've seen "nut
busters" in.


Yes, just pour 8 of them in a quart container.

Sorry, couldn't resist :-)

mm wrote:

Is it possible to get Liquid Wrench or the equivalent in quarts.
Instead of the 4 oz bottles which is the largest size I've seen "nut
busters" in.

Ditch the Liquid Wrench and order a gallon of Kroil, vastly better
stuff. http://www.kanolabs.com try it and you'll never go back to LW.
It's highly regarded and recommended in the various metalworking, auto
and machine related groups.

Pete C.

call manufactuer and ask.....

they will love your $s

mm wrote:
Is it possible to get Liquid Wrench or the equivalent in quarts.
Instead of the 4 oz bottles which is the largest size I've seen "nut
busters" in.

Penetrating oils are just naptha and machine oil...... buy a quart of
light grade oil...even automotive oil...get the thinnest
viscosity...and a quart of naptha... mix them together.

Its just oil that is thinned down with a solvent....nothing magical
about them....they are all the same though many folks think one is
better than the other.

mm wrote:
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:46:44 -0500, Richard J Kinch
wrote:

mm writes:

....
Liquid Wrench is just a petroleum distillate of about kerosene weight.
....

Well, it's not "just" kerosene, it's a mixture with naptha-like
fractions for its penetrating ability. Kerosene or diesel alone don't
have the lower viscosity and reduced surface tension to penetrate
nearly as well. It definitely has some beneficial effects. One could,
of course, make their own blend, but the packaging in aerosols is one
beneficial result altho OP was apparently looking for the liquid.
Here's Section II of the MSDS which, of course, never gives away the
entire secret, but certainly gives a clue as to what is in any
product...

Liquid Wrench MSDS Chemical Makeup Info

CAS No. Chemical Name % Range
64742525 Naphthenic Petroleum Distillate 40 - 60
8008206 Petroleum Base Oil 40 - 60

I won't argue w/ the other poster that some more recent entrants may be
more effective (Kroil was mentioned, so here is the data from the MSDS
for it as well. More stuff, w/ some other trace ingredients, but
interestingly (yet not _too_ surprising) the two primary ingredients
are essentially the same...

Liquid Wrench MSDS Chemical Makeup Info

CAS No. % Range Chemical Name
64742-46-7 30%- 50% Petroleum Base Oil
78-92-2 1% - 10% Aliphatic Petroleum Distillate
64742-95-6 1% - 10% Petroleum Solvent
111-76-2 1% - 10% Aliphatic Hydrocarbon Solvent
1% - 20% Proprietary Mixture
64742-47-8 20%-40% Petroleum Naptha
123-42-2 1% - 10% Hydrocarbon Solvent

wrote:
mm wrote:
Is it possible to get Liquid Wrench or the equivalent in quarts.
Instead of the 4 oz bottles which is the largest size I've seen "nut
busters" in.

Penetrating oils are just naptha and machine oil...... buy a quart of
light grade oil...even automotive oil...get the thinnest
viscosity...and a quart of naptha... mix them together.

Its just oil that is thinned down with a solvent....nothing magical
about them....they are all the same though many folks think one is
better than the other.

just another thought... buy a nut splitter....they work really well on
rusted nuts if you are not planning on reusing the nut....which you
shouldnt be planning to anyway unless you are really that cheap....
different sizes of nut splitters but they are inexpensive.

wrote:

mm wrote:
Is it possible to get Liquid Wrench or the equivalent in quarts.
Instead of the 4 oz bottles which is the largest size I've seen "nut
busters" in.

Penetrating oils are just naptha and machine oil...... buy a quart of
light grade oil...even automotive oil...get the thinnest
viscosity...and a quart of naptha... mix them together.

Its just oil that is thinned down with a solvent....nothing magical
about them....they are all the same though many folks think one is
better than the other.

Try a few of them side by side for their intended use and you'll find
there are tremendous differences. If you're just going to sniff them as
you must if you think they're all the same then for that purpose they
probably are.

Pete C.

According to mm :
Liquid Wrench is just a petroleum distillate of about kerosene weight.
Gallons of (overpriced) kero at the paint store.

That's for sure. I needed kerosene too and it was 7 dollars a gallon
at Ace Hardware, (which did have the square U-bolts I was looking for.

Look for varsol or ordinary paint thinner. It's all the same stuff.
Approximately kerosene.

You can also get a "descented" varsol which is rather more pleasant to
work with than regular varsol or kerosene.
--
Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 02:56:07 -0400, mm
wrote:

Ace Hardware, (which did have the square U-bolts I was looking for.
I think I posted to say that already, follow-up to another thread,
where someone said to look in Ace Hardware and he was right.)

To elaborate, Ace Hardware had 8, probably 10 sizes of square U-bolts,
more than it had of round U-bolts.

Lowes and Home Depot had none. I don't know if you can judge the
whole chain by this one thing, but it's nice to find ways that Ace
Harware excels.

One size of the square U-bolts was the same that I saw on the web,
where I would have had to order 10! These were more expensive, but
I'd rather pay more and have nothing left over. They were to attach
the ladder stabilizer to the ladder, and they worked fine.

Penetrating oils are just naptha and machine oil.

No. Naphtha (pronounced naf-tha, not nap-tha) would evaporate quickly on
the shelf and change the characteristics.

Read the MSDS. They're just kerosene.

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:36:27 GMT, "Pete C."
wrote:

wrote:

mm wrote:
Is it possible to get Liquid Wrench or the equivalent in quarts.
Instead of the 4 oz bottles which is the largest size I've seen "nut
busters" in.

Penetrating oils are just naptha and machine oil...... buy a quart of
light grade oil...even automotive oil...get the thinnest
viscosity...and a quart of naptha... mix them together.

Its just oil that is thinned down with a solvent....nothing magical
about them....they are all the same though many folks think one is
better than the other.

Try a few of them side by side for their intended use and you'll find
there are tremendous differences. If you're just going to sniff them as
you must if you think they're all the same then for that purpose they
probably are.

Sniffing Liquid Wrench is really bad for you. One of my buds did it
and he's still in the sanitarium.

Stick to glue.

Pete C.

This reminds me of a time maybe 15 years ago I was camping during July
4 week with Rainbow (nothing to do with the "coalition".) And it was
the middle of the night and I was up for some reason, some
non-controversial reason, and Rainbow discourages drugs, but with
10,000 mostly young people camping together**, there are bound to be
those using drugs. So some guy comes by in the middle of the night to
one of the "kitchens", and he has mushrooms, which he diligently
informs us are hallucinogenic. Now I've never use illegal drugs, and
I avoid legal ones (and it's a good thing too, because if I had, I'd
think my short term memory was bad because of drugs. It's actually
just getting older. )

So the guy offers the mushrooms, and there are 3 of us there, and a
girl about 9 or 10 wants some, but the guy won't give her any because
she's so young. Amd she says "I had my first pot when I was 5 and my
first hit of acid when I was 7 and there's no reason I can't have
mushroom." and the third person there (besides the itinerant mushroom
provider), a guy around 15 or 16, pipes up, "I think one should wait
until his brain is fully developed before he damages it [with drugs]."

Then he took some mushroom for himself, and, given that, his statement
was one of the stupidest I had ever heard or have heard since.


**Over 500 or 1000 acres or more.

dpb writes:

Well, it's not "just" kerosene, it's a mixture with naptha-like
fractions for its penetrating ability.

CAS No. Chemical Name % Range
64742525 Naphthenic Petroleum Distillate 40 - 60
8008206 Petroleum Base Oil 40 - 60

No, you're confused. Naphthenes (cyclic hydrocarbons) are not naphtha.
Kind of like paraffins (chain hydrocarbons) are not wax. These are
confusing terms from 19th century petroleum biz, kept alive to baffle
consumers. In those days, they distilled petroleum to get kerosene for
lamp oil, and threw away (!) the gasoline and naphtha, which had little use
before the invention of the internal combustion engine.

The two CAS items are similar light petroleum distillates resulting from
different processes. No doubt this is to let them to optimize different
raw materials depending on the market or availability.

mm writes:

One size of the square U-bolts was the same that I saw on the web,
where I would have had to order 10!

They hide these at Wal-Mart on the boat trailer aisle. Or Boater's World,
West Marine, Bass Pro Shops, etc.

"Pete C." wrote in message
...
mm wrote:

Is it possible to get Liquid Wrench or the equivalent in quarts.
Instead of the 4 oz bottles which is the largest size I've seen "nut
busters" in.

Ditch the Liquid Wrench and order a gallon of Kroil, vastly better
stuff. http://www.kanolabs.com try it and you'll never go back to LW.
It's highly regarded and recommended in the various metalworking, auto
and machine related groups.

Pete C.

I agree. I've worked as an auto mechanic, Kroil is the only way to go.
Liquid Wrench is useless, and throw WD-40 in that list too....... IMHO.....

One thing though, once you use ANY of these "penetrating lubricants", be
sure to clean and coat the part(s) with protective lubricant if you want it
to not rust out in 6 months to a year.......... Again, just my 2cents.

According to Richard J Kinch :
dpb writes:

Well, it's not "just" kerosene, it's a mixture with naptha-like
fractions for its penetrating ability.

CAS No. Chemical Name % Range
64742525 Naphthenic Petroleum Distillate 40 - 60
8008206 Petroleum Base Oil 40 - 60

No, you're confused. Naphthenes (cyclic hydrocarbons) are not naphtha.
Kind of like paraffins (chain hydrocarbons) are not wax. These are
confusing terms from 19th century petroleum biz, kept alive to baffle
consumers. In those days, they distilled petroleum to get kerosene for
lamp oil, and threw away (!) the gasoline and naphtha, which had little use
before the invention of the internal combustion engine.

The two CAS items are similar light petroleum distillates resulting from
different processes. No doubt this is to let them to optimize different
raw materials depending on the market or availability.

I did a brief google search for the two items, and came to the
conclusion that the "Napthenic petroleum distillate" was a distillation
fraction somewhat lighter than kerosene - indeed, naptha, whereas
"petroleum base oil" was a light lubricating oil with a rather
higher boilpoint than kerosene.

Yeah, the terminology drives you nuts.

I had a summer job in a refinery for several years, testing the stuff
they produced. [Distillation curves, viscosity, pen tests,
flash points, etc.]

Meanwhile, earning a scholarship in chemistry. I think I knew more
chemistry than the permanent employees in the lab who'd been there
in some cases for decades. And I still couldn't make sense out
of the names. Rubber solvent? Wha?

In this particular refinery, I believe they called "naptha"
light kerosene.

In the sinks, the two faucets ran rubber solvent and varsol (I
now forgot what they called _that_) for cleaning the glassware.
--
Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:48:55 -0500, Richard J Kinch
wrote:

Penetrating oils are just naptha and machine oil.

No. Naphtha (pronounced naf-tha, not nap-tha)

Just like ophthamologist.

In article ,
mm wrote:
Is it possible to get Liquid Wrench or the equivalent in quarts.
Instead of the 4 oz bottles which is the largest size I've seen "nut
busters" in.

I've seen WD40 in gallons, available from Grainger amongst others. Why
not check with the manufacturer?


--

Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland