We really need a new furnance but the wife keeps putting it off. I
need a tip to sabotage it before winter comes. It is a 30 year old
Lennox. Thanks guys. :crybaby:

Lossen the motor belt so nothing blows. Throw the breaker, or if your wife
is wise of that leave the breaker on and trip the switch that controlls the
funnace(the light switch one). Open up the thermostat and remove the mercury
container that adjusts the settings. Disconnect a low voltage wire that goes
to the thermostat.
Or make a fake web site that says the model of furnace you are using has a
tendancy to blow up after 29 years.

Thats my effort.


"mnbarrister" wrote in message
m...
We really need a new furnance but the wife keeps putting it off. I
need a tip to sabotage it before winter comes. It is a 30 year old
Lennox. Thanks guys. :crybaby:

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:21:56 GMT, lid (mnbarrister) wrote:

We really need a new furnance but the wife keeps putting it off. I
need a tip to sabotage it before winter comes. It is a 30 year old
Lennox. Thanks guys. :crybaby:


Set thermostat to min. Remove cover and disconnect wire. Cover wire
with some kind of "invisible" insulation. Reconnect and put cover
back.

mnbarrister wrote:
We really need a new furnance but the wife keeps putting it off. I
need a tip to sabotage it before winter comes. It is a 30 year old
Lennox. Thanks guys. :crybaby:

What does the wife have to do with it?

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Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

This is the way I look at it. I have a 30 year old furnace that cost me
about $200 a month (for 6 months) to heat my house. If I install a new high
effifancy furnace for $4500+ how long will it take me to save $4500..... A
very, very, very long time.... Keep the furnace until it breaks..



"mnbarrister" wrote in message
m...
We really need a new furnance but the wife keeps putting it off. I
need a tip to sabotage it before winter comes. It is a 30 year old
Lennox. Thanks guys. :crybaby:

"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message
. ..
mnbarrister wrote:
We really need a new furnance but the wife keeps putting it off. I
need a tip to sabotage it before winter comes. It is a 30 year old
Lennox. Thanks guys. :crybaby:

What does the wife have to do with it?


She, evidently, has the balls in the family.

Spray it with gasoline then light it on fire. Once she see the flames she
will agree to a new one. Thats what I do to my computer every year.


"mnbarrister" wrote in message
m...
We really need a new furnance but the wife keeps putting it off. I
need a tip to sabotage it before winter comes. It is a 30 year old
Lennox. Thanks guys. :crybaby:

"HotRod" wrote in message
...
This is the way I look at it. I have a 30 year old furnace that cost me
about $200 a month (for 6 months) to heat my house. If I install a new
high effifancy furnace for $4500+ how long will it take me to save
$4500..... A very, very, very long time.... Keep the furnace until it
breaks..



"mnbarrister" wrote in message
m...
We really need a new furnance but the wife keeps putting it off. I
need a tip to sabotage it before winter comes. It is a 30 year old
Lennox. Thanks guys. :crybaby:




Lets see thats 4 years to recoup your investment then every thing after that
for say the next 16 is gravy. I would replace.

I dont know where else you can get that kind of return on your money.

In article , Joseph Meehan says...

mnbarrister wrote:
We really need a new furnance but the wife keeps putting it off. I
need a tip to sabotage it before winter comes. It is a 30 year old
Lennox. Thanks guys. :crybaby:

What does the wife have to do with it?


I'd reckon she's something of a co-owner and partner....


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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message
. ..
mnbarrister wrote:
We really need a new furnance but the wife keeps putting it off. I
need a tip to sabotage it before winter comes. It is a 30 year old
Lennox. Thanks guys. :crybaby:

What does the wife have to do with it?


She, evidently, has the balls in the family.

Possibly the brains, too.

J

"mnbarrister" wrote in message
m...
We really need a new furnance but the wife keeps putting it off. I
need a tip to sabotage it before winter comes. It is a 30 year old
Lennox. Thanks guys. :crybaby:


run the numbers to prove iot will save bucks after X years....

then let her decide

Run numbers for her, yours when new was 80%, it is now likely 70- 75%
efficient, dirty burner and clogged-dirty coils. New 94.5% efficient
units with VSDC blower could save you maybe 25% on Ng and 10-20% on
electric. Figure in maintanance, things braking at -20f or a complete
exchanger failure which at 30 yrs is going to happen sooner or later,
and the excessive cost you will pay when the heating season is raising
furnace prices, Now double the price of the utilities 5 yrs out, and
figure a 20% increase this winter, if she is blind to the benefits pull
a fuse, remove a wire.

Sounds like a nice marriage -- can't come to a mutual, intelligent,
reasonable conclusion, can only trick one another into getting what you
want. BTW, I have a 30-year-old Lennox and got three estimates for
replacement recently. Using actual bills for last winter's heat
(rather than guesstimates about the furnace's current efficiency), the
BEST potential savings calculation was that it would take 15-16 years
to pay for the new furnace (approximately 10%/month with a $200 fuel
bill). So yes, it would pay back eventually, but as a fairly long-term
investment. Nothing like the "few years" claimed in some of these
postings. Every one of the salesmen switched in midstream from the
"you'll save huge money" to the "you'll be more comfortable" tactic.

Jo Ann

mnbarrister wrote:
We really need a new furnance but the wife keeps putting it off. I
need a tip to sabotage it before winter comes. It is a 30 year old
Lennox. Thanks guys. :crybaby:

m Ransley wrote:
Run numbers for her, yours when new was 80%, it is now likely 70- 75%
efficient, dirty burner and clogged-dirty coils. New 94.5% efficient
units with VSDC blower could save you maybe 25% on Ng and 10-20% on
electric. Figure in maintanance, things braking at -20f or a complete
exchanger failure which at 30 yrs is going to happen sooner or later,
and the excessive cost you will pay when the heating season is raising
furnace prices, Now double the price of the utilities 5 yrs out, and
figure a 20% increase this winter, if she is blind to the benefits
pull a fuse, remove a wire.

You might want to adjust for the cost of the money opportunity lost or
interest. That should about wipe out the increase utility cost.

I vote on waiting until the next non-trivial failure.



--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

our lennox duracurve 60+ or whatever dates back till about 1965 before
we lived here.

it works fine.

a new high efficent will save gas but probably cost more in maintence
and repairs.

still i want to replace it mostly to get central air which would be a
pain to install in this old furnace

In article , Charlie Morgan says...

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:21:56 GMT, lid (mnbarrister) wrote:

We really need a new furnance but the wife keeps putting it off. I
need a tip to sabotage it before winter comes. It is a 30 year old
Lennox. Thanks guys. :crybaby:

How about the truth? That furnace has an expected lifespan of 15 to 25
years. If you replace it before it fails, you can shop for the best
quality unit at the best price. If it fails in Mid-winter, you will be
paying top dollar for whatever piece of crap you can get installed on
short notice. You will not be in a negotiating position. If it's on a
weekend, you will be paying double time for the labor, as well. Best
of luck to you.

This is the one of few reasons I'd see for replacing a well-working but old
unit, if the efficiency numbers didn't point to it. About the only other would
be if it were part of a general renovation.

But it depends - what is the relationship and level of trust with one's
oil/gas/HVAC provider? What is the climate? What is the homeowner's tolerance
for a cold weekend at worst? Is the water heater separate?

I'd still lean to keeping the older furnace, if it's working well. Of course
there *are* reasons to replace things, even if they're still going along, but
one has to ask oneself how much of the urge to replace comes from the appeal of
the shiny and new.

But then again, I've always kept my cars and trucks for a decade or so,
maintained them well, and come out ahead...

Banty


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"Jimmie D" wrote in message
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"HotRod" wrote in message
...
This is the way I look at it. I have a 30 year old furnace that cost me
about $200 a month (for 6 months) to heat my house. If I install a new
high effifancy furnace for $4500+ how long will it take me to save
$4500..... A very, very, very long time.... Keep the furnace until it
breaks..



"mnbarrister" wrote in message
m...
We really need a new furnance but the wife keeps putting it off. I
need a tip to sabotage it before winter comes. It is a 30 year old
Lennox. Thanks guys. :crybaby:




Lets see thats 4 years to recoup your investment then every thing after that
for say the next 16 is gravy. I would replace.

I dont know where else you can get that kind of return on your money.

So, it appears that you think the new furnace will have no fuel costs?
I'd like one of those myself.

|Bob

Jimmie D wrote:

"HotRod" wrote in message
...

This is the way I look at it. I have a 30 year old furnace that cost me
about $200 a month (for 6 months) to heat my house. If I install a new
high effifancy furnace for $4500+ how long will it take me to save
$4500..... A very, very, very long time.... Keep the furnace until it
breaks..



"mnbarrister" wrote in message
. com...

We really need a new furnance but the wife keeps putting it off. I
need a tip to sabotage it before winter comes. It is a 30 year old
Lennox. Thanks guys. :crybaby:




Lets see thats 4 years to recoup your investment then every thing after that
for say the next 16 is gravy. I would replace.

I dont know where else you can get that kind of return on your money.


Buying a new furnace doesn't make the fuel it uses free.

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OK, so I let her wear the pants sometimes...it's when she takes them
off that gets my attention! It's give and take guys and she can
give...and take........

Now, she is also an engineer so no dumb blonde ideas...I need to break
it so she won't know it.

"mnbarrister" wrote in message
m...
OK, so I let her wear the pants sometimes...it's when she takes them
off that gets my attention! It's give and take guys and she can
give...and take........

Now, she is also an engineer so no dumb blonde ideas...I need to break
it so she won't know it.

If she is an engineer, chances are she will spot sabotage. If she is a good
engineer, she can easily explain why, or why not, the furnace should be
replaced. She should be able to do a simple cost analysis based on
efficiency, fuel cost, maintenance cost. Then a logical decision can be
made.

In article , mnbarrister says...

OK, so I let her wear the pants sometimes...it's when she takes them
off that gets my attention! It's give and take guys and she can
give...and take........

Now, she is also an engineer so no dumb blonde ideas...I need to break
it so she won't know it.


So - talk it over with her. Maybe the concern of a mid-winter breakdown will
convince her.

What are her reasons for wanting to hang on to the furnace? For that matter,
what are your reasons for wanting to replace it?

I tell you one thing, pulling s**t to get your way on a dumb thing like this
isn't worth the price.

Banty


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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5222154.stm

mnbarrister wrote:
OK, so I let her wear the pants sometimes...it's when she takes them
off that gets my attention! It's give and take guys and she can
give...and take........

Now, she is also an engineer so no dumb blonde ideas...I need to break
it so she won't know it.

Super glue in the bearings might work and be hard to detect.

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I'm looking into buying a new furnace, and looking into the numbers.
As it turns out, what the furnace guy told my wife, and reality are
two very different things, so I was thinking of posting a web-site
which describes how to make a realistic estimate of the real cost of
one furnace over another. I'll let you know when it's done


The long and the short of it is that a furnace does not pay itself off
over two to three years (unless your yearly gas bill is close to
double the price of the new furnace, and you're moving from an 50% to
90% furnace...). Realisticly, you're looking at 8-10 years. As well,
if you take time-value-of-money into account, the high-efficiency
furnaces don't look as appealing. Everything depends on your gas
bill, and current furnace of course, but I'll post all of that.

replying to Dick, susandangas wrote:
is there a specific website that you can do this or are you making it up.

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On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 11:14:09 AM UTC-4, susandangas wrote:
replying to Dick, susandangas wrote:
is there a specific website that you can do this or are you making it up.



I recommend doing it on the HomeMoanersHub website.

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 05 Sep 2017 15:14:02 GMT, susandangas
m wrote:

replying to Dick, susandangas wrote:
is there a specific website that you can do this or are you making it up.

Do you realize how little sense you make when you use pronouns with no
other meaning? "This"?

Why do all you people refuse to quote what you are replying to?

replying to julvr, Creck wrote:
I also have a 30 year old furnace that has a terrible mercury switch that just
ticks for ever. We still have a home warranty, so we need this thing to die.
We need to kill ours so the warranty company will cover it.

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