No, I'm not talking about potty training.

What I mean is what are some of the basics for toilet maintenance and toilet
replacement?

Let's say my toilet gets poor flush performance, what affects that? Does
the tank plumbing affect how the toilet performs? Can I save money in water
costs by replacing the plumbing inside the tank, or is that totally related
to how the toilet was designed?

Eigenvector wrote:
No, I'm not talking about potty training.

What I mean is what are some of the basics for toilet maintenance and
toilet replacement?

Generally maintenance is cleaning it and fixing what fails after it
fails.


Let's say my toilet gets poor flush performance, what affects that?

It can be design, or a build up preventing it from functioning as
designed. Sometimes mineral deposits clog the holes under the rim and you
may need to clean them or if that blue stuff was used in the tank, it is a
likely suspect.

Does the tank plumbing affect how the toilet performs?

I am not sure exactly what you mean, but no mater the answer is yes, but
maybe not the yes you think. Could you be more specific?

Can I save
money in water costs by replacing the plumbing inside the tank, or is
that totally related to how the toilet was designed?

Only if it is leaking. You can't do much to improve water usage by
changing something in the tank. The design of the tank really needs to
work with the design of the bowl.


Hint: When shopping for a toilet look for a large (2 inch or larger)
trap and make sure the trap is fully glazed.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

Eigenvector wrote:
No, I'm not talking about potty training.

What I mean is what are some of the basics for toilet maintenance and
toilet replacement?

Let's say my toilet gets poor flush performance, what affects that? Does
the tank plumbing affect how the toilet performs? Can I save
money in water costs by replacing the plumbing inside the tank, or is
that totally related to how the toilet was designed?

The easiest, and most satisfying, solution to poor flushing is to change
your diet to all/mostly meat (yum!). This results in a higher percentage of
"sinkers" as opposed to the "floaters" resulting from a diet high in fiber,
fruits, and vegetables.

Remember, vegetables are not food. Vegetables are what food eats.

"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message
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Eigenvector wrote:
No, I'm not talking about potty training.

What I mean is what are some of the basics for toilet maintenance and
toilet replacement?

Generally maintenance is cleaning it and fixing what fails after it
fails.


Let's say my toilet gets poor flush performance, what affects that?

It can be design, or a build up preventing it from functioning as
designed. Sometimes mineral deposits clog the holes under the rim and you
may need to clean them or if that blue stuff was used in the tank, it is
a likely suspect.

Does the tank plumbing affect how the toilet performs?

I am not sure exactly what you mean, but no mater the answer is yes,
but maybe not the yes you think. Could you be more specific?

By "plumbing" I mean the flaps, valves, floats, seals, flusher handle - that
sort of stuff.

There is someone in this group who typically answers questions about toilets
with a "Get the mumble superflush 9000 valve for the tank" That lead me
to ask whether or not the valves, and flappers inside the tank affect how a
toilet work - whether it will make the toilet "better". But if the rest of
your comments are correct it sounds like the overall toilet design affects
that more than actual plumbing inside the tank.

My toilet gets pretty terrible performance, it uses a lot of water per
flush, doesn't get all the TP down the drain, but otherwise works just fine.
Since I'm on septic I was wondering if there was a way to improve the
efficiency of the toilet or if replacing it is the best alternative assuming
water conservation is my goal.


Can I save
money in water costs by replacing the plumbing inside the tank, or is
that totally related to how the toilet was designed?

Only if it is leaking. You can't do much to improve water usage by
changing something in the tank. The design of the tank really needs to
work with the design of the bowl.


Hint: When shopping for a toilet look for a large (2 inch or larger)
trap and make sure the trap is fully glazed.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

Try flushing your poor flush toilet with a bucket of water!

If it flushes bad its a drain issue for SURE.... get out the snake..

If it flushes good with a bucket then come back here and I will explain
the problem the 5 buck 15 minute easy fix along with a link to the last
person who had the water just swirls and doesnt flush good problem, and
had success with my fix

newer low flow toilets which it appears yours isnt can be a bad design
issue....

wrote in message
oups.com...
Try flushing your poor flush toilet with a bucket of water!

If it flushes bad its a drain issue for SURE.... get out the snake..

If it flushes good with a bucket then come back here and I will explain
the problem the 5 buck 15 minute easy fix along with a link to the last
person who had the water just swirls and doesnt flush good problem, and
had success with my fix

newer low flow toilets which it appears yours isnt can be a bad design
issue....

Well I poured 2 quarts of water in the bowl and the bowl drained out. When
I flushed the exit hole farted then flushed normally.

Eigenvector wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Try flushing your poor flush toilet with a bucket of water!

If it flushes bad its a drain issue for SURE.... get out the snake..

If it flushes good with a bucket then come back here and I will explain
the problem the 5 buck 15 minute easy fix along with a link to the last
person who had the water just swirls and doesnt flush good problem, and
had success with my fix

newer low flow toilets which it appears yours isnt can be a bad design
issue....

Well I poured 2 quarts of water in the bowl and the bowl drained out. When
I flushed the exit hole farted then flushed normally.

try it with some ahhh effluent solids

If it flushes good then the bowl rim and inner passages are sluged up.
sediment hard water clogs the inside passages

Easily fixed heres a link from a old thread post number 11 said it was
miraclous

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.h...d4efa0a6cc9aba

wrote in message
oups.com...

Eigenvector wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Try flushing your poor flush toilet with a bucket of water!

If it flushes bad its a drain issue for SURE.... get out the snake..

If it flushes good with a bucket then come back here and I will explain
the problem the 5 buck 15 minute easy fix along with a link to the last
person who had the water just swirls and doesnt flush good problem, and
had success with my fix

newer low flow toilets which it appears yours isnt can be a bad design
issue....

Well I poured 2 quarts of water in the bowl and the bowl drained out.
When
I flushed the exit hole farted then flushed normally.

try it with some ahhh effluent solids

If it flushes good then the bowl rim and inner passages are sluged up.
sediment hard water clogs the inside passages

Easily fixed heres a link from a old thread post number 11 said it was
miraclous

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.h...d4efa0a6cc9aba


Hmm, I'll give it another go with some solids. If no grace I'll look into
the Muratic acid treatment. I'm on the cusp of just going to a GOOD low
flush toilet rather than much with the current crapper, although this one
isn't a bad unit. My fear is that the modern low flush toilets will all
have that same scrawny small bowl that makes me feel like I'm sitting on a
waste pit all scrunched up. I like the older designs because they're roomy.

Eigenvector wrote:
...

Hmm, I'll give it another go with some solids. If no grace I'll look
into the Muratic acid treatment. I'm on the cusp of just going to a
GOOD low flush toilet rather than much with the current crapper,
although this one isn't a bad unit. My fear is that the modern low
flush toilets will all have that same scrawny small bowl that makes
me feel like I'm sitting on a waste pit all scrunched up. I like the
older designs because they're roomy.

You can get a new one with lots of room. You may not see them at your
local DIY store as they tend to stock only the cheap models and maybe some
fancy looking expensive ones, but they seldom stock top line basic models
that work well and don't cost as much as the expensive ones they have.


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message
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Eigenvector wrote:
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Hmm, I'll give it another go with some solids. If no grace I'll look
into the Muratic acid treatment. I'm on the cusp of just going to a
GOOD low flush toilet rather than much with the current crapper,
although this one isn't a bad unit. My fear is that the modern low
flush toilets will all have that same scrawny small bowl that makes
me feel like I'm sitting on a waste pit all scrunched up. I like the
older designs because they're roomy.

You can get a new one with lots of room. You may not see them at your
local DIY store as they tend to stock only the cheap models and maybe some
fancy looking expensive ones, but they seldom stock top line basic models
that work well and don't cost as much as the expensive ones they have.


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit
Nice thing about being in the Seattle Metroplex is that I have access to
Home Despot, Lowe's, McClendon's, Ace, and more than a few specialty houses.
But I don't want to go down that road unless I really have to. No reason to
swap out a perfectly working unit once I determine if the flush issue is
fixable.

Try muriatic acid BEFORE tossing your toilet. Ours is a low flow model
we keep plunger close by at all times

Acid WORKS SO GOOD its amazing. I have used it on friends toilets,
pittsburgh has very hard water....

Eigenvector wrote:
No, I'm not talking about potty training.

What I mean is what are some of the basics for toilet maintenance and toilet
replacement?

Let's say my toilet gets poor flush performance, what affects that? Does
the tank plumbing affect how the toilet performs? Can I save money in water
costs by replacing the plumbing inside the tank, or is that totally related
to how the toilet was designed?



More than you ever wanted to know can be found he

http://www.toiletology.com/index.shtml

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
"What do you expect from a pig but a grunt?"

Eigenvector wrote:
....
Nice thing about being in the Seattle Metroplex is that I have access
to Home Despot, Lowe's, McClendon's, Ace, and more than a few
specialty houses. But I don't want to go down that road unless I
really have to. No reason to swap out a perfectly working unit once
I determine if the flush issue is fixable.

I like Seattle. My girlfriend is from Centralia down the road.

I agree. No need to change it out if you can get it working and frankly
I believe you can.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

"Eigenvector" wrote in message
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No, I'm not talking about potty training.

What I mean is what are some of the basics for toilet maintenance and
toilet replacement?

Let's say my toilet gets poor flush performance, what affects that? Does
the tank plumbing affect how the toilet performs? Can I save money in
water costs by replacing the plumbing inside the tank, or is that totally
related to how the toilet was designed?

Don't know of any basic web sites, but I'd look at your local home
improvement store and get a book that has what you want. The inside tank
plumbing can be important. You can save water costs by adjusting how high
the water fills the tank on a refill. All are adjustable this way.