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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in
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Jimi wrote:
We have a very spoilt neutered Tom cat (only about 4 months old)
that
likes to jump on the dining room table while we are away from the
home.



I like the mousetrap idea the best. You won't have to do it long;
cats learn
fast where it's not good to go.

Avoidance behavior can be a powerful thing. I once trained a doberman
to stop
barking at me when I was in my own yard by using a BB gun on him.
Only had to
shoot him twice. The first time I stepped ou:, woof woof, BAM. The
second time
I stepped out in the yard (a day later): woof woof, BAM. The third
time I
stepped out in the yard the dog made a beeline for his doghouse and
didn't make
a sound. Never had another problem with that dog.



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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
m...
Avoidance behavior can be a powerful thing. I once trained a doberman to
stop
barking at me when I was in my own yard by using a BB gun on him. Only
had to
shoot him twice. The first time I stepped ou:, woof woof, BAM. The
second time
I stepped out in the yard (a day later): woof woof, BAM. The third time I
stepped out in the yard the dog made a beeline for his doghouse and didn't
make
a sound. Never had another problem with that dog.

12-gauges are even better for avoidance behavior -- it would have only taken
ONE shot... evil-grin

If you have a quality air gun, you could kill the dog... I have one that is
1000 fps... I used it to quietly put a pellet in the butt of cats that used
to get in my backyard...

On 12 Apr 2006 07:16:56 -0700, "Lesley" wrote:

! That, of
course, is assuming it dislikes water and is not as stubborn
as one of mine was. I could squirt Miu until he was
dripping wet, but if he were doing something he WANTED to
do, the only effect was a very wet cat!


Add just enough ammonia to make it smell bad, and avoid
hitting the beast in the face.

JMagerl wrote:
I can tell you how not to train him. Everytime he jumps on the table and is
being a pest toss him outside. Pretty soon, everytime he wants to go
outside, he will jump on the table. See how simple that is. Took my cat 3
days to learn that trick. He's three years old now and still jumps on the
table to go outside. (by outside I mean a screened in porch, he really is an
indoor cat).

as someone else said: Its his house

So how is it to be ruled by an animal with a brain the size of a
walnut?

"Goedjn" wrote in message
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On 12 Apr 2006 07:16:56 -0700, "Lesley" wrote:

! That, of
course, is assuming it dislikes water and is not as stubborn
as one of mine was. I could squirt Miu until he was
dripping wet, but if he were doing something he WANTED to
do, the only effect was a very wet cat!


Add just enough ammonia to make it smell bad, and avoid
hitting the beast in the face.

That is real intelligent and a sign you need counseling call someone

Matthew AKA NMR wrote:

"Goedjn" wrote in message
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On 12 Apr 2006 07:16:56 -0700, "Lesley" wrote:


! That, of

course, is assuming it dislikes water and is not as stubborn
as one of mine was. I could squirt Miu until he was
dripping wet, but if he were doing something he WANTED to
do, the only effect was a very wet cat!

Add just enough ammonia to make it smell bad, and avoid
hitting the beast in the face.


That is real intelligent and a sign you need counseling call someone

I second that! The idea is to discourage our pets from
"misbehaving" not to injure them! (I suppose squirting them
with ammonia water is better than setting rat traps to
frighten them - but not by much.)



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Add just enough ammonia to make it smell bad, and avoid
hitting the beast in the face.


That is real intelligent and a sign you need counseling call someone

I second that! The idea is to discourage our pets from
"misbehaving" not to injure them! (I suppose squirting them

What makes you think that a mild ammonia solution will hurt
them any?

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
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Matthew AKA NMR wrote:
"Goedjn" wrote in message
Add just enough ammonia to make it smell bad, and avoid
hitting the beast in the face.
That is real intelligent and a sign you need counseling call someone
I second that! The idea is to discourage our pets from "misbehaving" not
to injure them! (I suppose squirting them with ammonia water is better
than setting rat traps to frighten them - but not by much.)

I knew I'd seen that ammonia/water business long ago....just now
it came back to me: remedy for dog chasing you and trying to bite
leg as you ride a bicycle! A bit different than "cats on table", huh?
Atomic fission device to kill a mosquito?Duh.

That is real intelligent and a sign you need counseling call someone

I second that! The idea is to discourage our pets from
"misbehaving" not to injure them!

Hey. If the cat can't stay off the table, it needs flying lessons with a
wall as a landing strip. It may be okay in your house for your cat to go
directly from the litter box to your breakfast table, but not at mine.

Steve

I once had a cat that liked to hang around my basement
workshop, where I did hobby woodworking. I didn't mind
until the cat decided that my wood shavings and sawdust on
the floor made it a giant litter box. In my case, getting
the cat to understand it was no longer welcome in the shop
was easy.

I had piped in compressed air in several locations in the
shop. It was very easy to give him a good shot of air
across the face or rump from about 3' away. The first time
I did it, he literally left claw tracks in my workbench
getting off and heading upstairs. Another time, I spied him
peeking around the corner of my shop door. I waited until
he reappeared and got him with the air from about 4' away.
He went up the stairs so fast that he arched into the air at
the top step.

After that, he kept to his own world (the upstairs of the
house) and left my shop floor alone. Just be careful to not
get too close when squirting a cat.

Mark

"Mark and Gloria Hagwood" wrote in message
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I once had a cat that liked to hang around my basement
workshop, where I did hobby woodworking. I didn't mind
until the cat decided that my wood shavings and sawdust on
the floor made it a giant litter box. In my case, getting
the cat to understand it was no longer welcome in the shop
was easy.

I had piped in compressed air in several locations in the
shop. It was very easy to give him a good shot of air
across the face or rump from about 3' away. The first time
I did it, he literally left claw tracks in my workbench
getting off and heading upstairs. Another time, I spied him
peeking around the corner of my shop door. I waited until
he reappeared and got him with the air from about 4' away.
He went up the stairs so fast that he arched into the air at
the top step.

After that, he kept to his own world (the upstairs of the
house) and left my shop floor alone. Just be careful to not
get too close when squirting a cat.

Chuckle. Reminds of the old trick of getting a squalling human child to STFU
by blowing in their face. Doesn't hurt them at all, and works more often
than not. No idea how it works- interrupts a feedback loop or something. (Of
course, you do have to do the usual checks to make sure they don't have a
legitimate reason for crying before you do that....)

aem sends....

aem sends...

Goedjn wrote:

Add just enough ammonia to make it smell bad, and avoid
hitting the beast in the face.


That is real intelligent and a sign you need counseling call someone

I second that! The idea is to discourage our pets from
"misbehaving" not to injure them! (I suppose squirting them


What makes you think that a mild ammonia solution will hurt
them any?

A) because cats lick their fur, especially when something
wets it.

B) because they move so quickly you'd have no guarantee of
avoiding the cat's eyes. (You think that's fun, try
squirting some in your own eyes - the effect is sort of like
pepper spray, not something you'd do to anyone you care about.)



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Steve B wrote:

That is real intelligent and a sign you need counseling call someone

I second that! The idea is to discourage our pets from
"misbehaving" not to injure them!


Hey. If the cat can't stay off the table, it needs flying lessons with a
wall as a landing strip. It may be okay in your house for your cat to go
directly from the litter box to your breakfast table, but not at mine.

The first thing most cats do after leaving the litterbox is
to clean themselves - which is more than can be said for a
lot of humans after using the toilet! (And SFAIK, no one
was talking about getting on the table when people were
having a meal there - then you can discourage it in person.)


Steve



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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
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Steve B wrote:

That is real intelligent and a sign you need counseling call someone

I second that! The idea is to discourage our pets from
"misbehaving" not to injure them!


Hey. If the cat can't stay off the table, it needs flying lessons with a
wall as a landing strip. It may be okay in your house for your cat to go
directly from the litter box to your breakfast table, but not at mine.

The first thing most cats do after leaving the litterbox is to clean
themselves - which is more than can be said for a lot of humans after
using the toilet! (And SFAIK, no one was talking about getting on the
table when people were having a meal there - then you can discourage it
in person.)


Steve

It doesn't matter to me when the cat gets on the table. After using the
kitty box, after eating a cockroach, or after licking its anal glands. In
my house, cats NEVER get on the table, so there's no problem like at your
house. Cats on the table are disgusting, and people who let them get on the
table are mannerless and slobs.

I have owned cats, and I have yet to see one clean themselves first thing
after using the litter box. They usually lick their butt, or just go on to
the next thing. I've seen them toodle off dropping an extra hanging chad
somewhere on the floor or carpet.

Of course, I'm sure you have the world's cleanest best trained best behaved
cats. So, if they are so well trained and well behaved, why is it that you
can't keep them off the table?

Fi-Shock. One time is all it takes, and the cat won't come within six feet
of a table. After an experience with Fi-Shock, trying to put them on a
table is like trying to put them in a washing machine. They know what's
going to happen, and they put up a fight. You could leave an open can of
sardines up there, and they wouldn't jump up.

Steve

Try laquer thinner. Works every time.

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! That, of
course, is assuming it dislikes water and is not as stubborn
as one of mine was. I could squirt Miu until he was
dripping wet, but if he were doing something he WANTED to
do, the only effect was a very wet cat!



If you use a squirt bottle with Sarrasine she just drinks the water!

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"Fulla Bulla"

You have been added to the PLONK list
grow up and get some therapy


By not posting a portion of the thread you are commenting about, you look as
therapy challenged as FullaBulla.

Steve

"Steve B"

this comes from asshole that admits he is an animal abuser

Grew up and get some therapy you twit

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"Steve B"

this comes from asshole that admits he is an animal abuser

Grew up and get some therapy you twit

You have been added to the plonk list



Good. Glad I never came to dinner at your house. People who let their cats
roam on the counter and tables aren't my kind of people.

Steve

Oh, I forgot. You won't see this.

Steve B wrote:


It doesn't matter to me when the cat gets on the table. After using the
kitty box, after eating a cockroach, or after licking its anal glands. In
my house, cats NEVER get on the table, so there's no problem like at your
house.

There aren't any cockroaches in MY house for them to eat -
and apparently my cats are more fastidious than yours.
(Figures.) Cats on the table have never BEEN a "problem" at
"my house" - my cats have seldom shown much interest in
getting on the table! They get their full share of
attention outside of meal times, and their own dishes always
contain food, if they decide they're hungry.

Cats on the table are disgusting, and people who let them get on the
table are mannerless and slobs.

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On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:53:16 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote:



Steve B wrote:


It doesn't matter to me when the cat gets on the table. After using the
kitty box, after eating a cockroach, or after licking its anal glands. In
my house, cats NEVER get on the table, so there's no problem like at your
house.

There aren't any cockroaches in MY house for them to eat -
and apparently my cats are more fastidious than yours.
(Figures.) Cats on the table have never BEEN a "problem" at
"my house" - my cats have seldom shown much interest in
getting on the table! They get their full share of
attention outside of meal times, and their own dishes always
contain food, if they decide they're hungry.

Cats on the table are disgusting, and people who let them get on the
table are mannerless and slobs.

P-L-O-N-K

I used to know someone who always fed his cat on the table. This was
because he also had 2 dogs, and the dogs would eat the cat's food if
it was on the floor. I never saw the cat get on the table except at
feeding time.

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to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
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Steve B wrote:


It doesn't matter to me when the cat gets on the table. After using the
kitty box, after eating a cockroach, or after licking its anal glands.
In my house, cats NEVER get on the table, so there's no problem like at
your house.

There aren't any cockroaches in MY house for them to eat - and apparently
my cats are more fastidious than yours. (Figures.) Cats on the table have
never BEEN a "problem" at "my house" - my cats have seldom shown much
interest in getting on the table! They get their full share of attention
outside of meal times, and their own dishes always contain food, if they
decide they're hungry.

Cats on the table are disgusting, and people who let them get on the
table are mannerless and slobs.

P-L-O-N-K

--

If you don't see a problem with cats on a table, you probably wear dirty
underwear.

Steve

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
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Steve B wrote:

"Matthew AKA NMR" wrote in message
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"Steve B"

this comes from asshole that admits he is an animal abuser

Grew up and get some therapy you twit

You have been added to the plonk list




Good. Glad I never came to dinner at your house. People who let their
cats roam on the counter and tables aren't my kind of people.

Judging from your posts here so far, I doubt whether anyone in this
newsgroup is particularly crushed to learn that!



Steve

Learn what?

STeve

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:37:41 -0500, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

I used to know someone who always fed his cat on the table. This was
because he also had 2 dogs, and the dogs would eat the cat's food if
it was on the floor. I never saw the cat get on the table except at
feeding time.

My solution to the dog problem will happify Steve: I don't feed my
cats on any tables, but rather on the servant stairs, with a baby gate
at the bottom of the steps and a chain on the door at the top, left
ajar with one of those foam things to prevent fingers from being
smashed, so the dogs can't get to the food. In my previous house, I
just had a chain on the basement door and left it ajar for the cats to
go down to the landing, where their food dishes were kept. Both
solutions worked great.

"KLS" wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:37:41 -0500, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

I used to know someone who always fed his cat on the table. This was
because he also had 2 dogs, and the dogs would eat the cat's food if
it was on the floor. I never saw the cat get on the table except at
feeding time.

My solution to the dog problem will happify Steve: I don't feed my
cats on any tables, but rather on the servant stairs, with a baby gate
at the bottom of the steps and a chain on the door at the top, left
ajar with one of those foam things to prevent fingers from being
smashed, so the dogs can't get to the food. In my previous house, I
just had a chain on the basement door and left it ajar for the cats to
go down to the landing, where their food dishes were kept. Both
solutions worked great.

I used to feed my cat on top of the spa cover. If I left the food down, the
dog would eat if.

Cat food is much higher in protein than dog food. A dog will die or have
health problems if he eats only cat food. A cat won't be healthy if it only
eats dog food. Dog food has a lot more cereal and rice in it. Advertisers
push dog foods like Alpo that are 100% meat, but they are not good for dogs.
And they come up with names for the foods that make one want to sample the
stuff.

Steve

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"KLS" wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:37:41 -0500, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

I used to know someone who always fed his cat on the table. This was
because he also had 2 dogs, and the dogs would eat the cat's food if
it was on the floor. I never saw the cat get on the table except at
feeding time.

My solution to the dog problem will happify Steve: I don't feed my
cats on any tables, but rather on the servant stairs, with a baby gate
at the bottom of the steps and a chain on the door at the top, left
ajar with one of those foam things to prevent fingers from being
smashed, so the dogs can't get to the food. In my previous house, I
just had a chain on the basement door and left it ajar for the cats to
go down to the landing, where their food dishes were kept. Both
solutions worked great.

I used to feed my cat on top of the spa cover. If I left the food down,
the
dog would eat if.

Chuckle- a household I used to visit a lot many years ago, had the feeding
station in the garage, with the dog on the floor, and the cat on a shelf
about 48" up. The stepladder lived right next to the spot. The cat caught on
after about the second time being placed on the shelf, and used the ladder
at mealtime. Only problem was if mealtime came around, and the ladder was in
use elsewhere.

I miss that dog, more than I miss the girl I used to visit there....

aem sends....

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:53:19 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote:
B) because they move so quickly you'd have no guarantee of
avoiding the cat's eyes. (You think that's fun, try
squirting some in your own eyes - the effect is sort of like
pepper spray, not something you'd do to anyone you care about.)

Hmmm... Sounds like it's prefect then...

On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:00:05 -0400, Jo Anne Slaven
wrote:

My cat's food goes on top of the fridge. Same reason - dogs. We tried
feeding the cat in the laundry room (there's a cat door to get out
there) but he seems to think he should be eating in the kitchen with
everyone else.

SOLUTION -- Feed the cat to the dogs...

On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:11:19 GMT, Grumman-581
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:53:19 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote:
B) because they move so quickly you'd have no guarantee of
avoiding the cat's eyes. (You think that's fun, try
squirting some in your own eyes - the effect is sort of like
pepper spray, not something you'd do to anyone you care about.)

Hmmm... Sounds like it's prefect then...

Glad you've found the perfect solution for your own eyes. Enjoy the
sensation.

Jimi wrote:
Hi,

We have a very spoilt neutered Tom cat (only about 4 months old) that
likes to jump on the dining room table while we are away from the home.

Other than violence to this charming fellow, is there any constructive
methods proven to work to keep a cat off shelves, couners, tables etc.... I
think he's part mountain goat.

I have shot him several times with a water pistol...I think he's
starting to like water.

Any proven advice would be greatly appreciated.... Thanks...Jim




Put fly-paper on the table.

Bob

On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:01:41 GMT, KLS wrote:
Glad you've found the perfect solution for your own eyes. Enjoy the
sensation.

It would definitely be the puuuurrrrrrfect solution for cats... On my
grandfather's ranch, he had a cat that was *supposedly* for catching
field mice... If you made the mistake of leaving the wndows down on
your truck, he would jump in there and take a dump on your seats...
Nothing quite like cat **** that's been sitting in a hot vehicle for a
few hours... Yeah, I hate cats...

http://www.swingadeadcat.com/video/ford1.htm