I'm about todo a remodel in a bath with one of the old 5 gal flush toilets.
This toilet's run is pretty long and takes several turns so it has always
been a bit slow. I know that one of the pressurized tank models would work
best but the noise would jack the person in the next bedroom right out of
bed. Has anyone read anything on the most efficient, siphon flush toilet
available?

Yea I have a pressure assist and im sure all the neighbors know when it
flushes its so loud. Consumer Reports online has a comparison test. But
You will get used to the pressure assists noise , it doesn`t bother me
at all anymore, it only took me 4 short years to get used to.

C & E wrote:
I'm about todo a remodel in a bath with one of the old 5 gal flush toilets.
This toilet's run is pretty long and takes several turns so it has always
been a bit slow. I know that one of the pressurized tank models would work
best but the noise would jack the person in the next bedroom right out of
bed. Has anyone read anything on the most efficient, siphon flush toilet
available?

The American Standard Champion was highest rated by an artical I read about a
year ago. May I suggest the elongated version in the comfort (orthopedic)
height? It runs $172-$247 at Home Depot, depending on color. The tank is
extra.

Lowes sells them for even cheaper, starting at $141. The tank is $112 there.

Shop around. Google is your friend.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

C & E wrote:
I'm about todo a remodel in a bath with one of the old 5 gal flush
toilets. This toilet's run is pretty long and takes several turns so
it has always been a bit slow. I know that one of the pressurized
tank models would work best but the noise would jack the person in
the next bedroom right out of bed. Has anyone read anything on the
most efficient, siphon flush toilet available?

The American Standard Cadet is one that usually rates well and is not
expensive. Consumer Reports magazine does test on the from time to time,
you may want to stop at the library and check out their last review. Note:
I just checked and AS is making a power assist Cadet as well now.

Look for two things. You will want a fully glazed trap. Regular traps
are like sand paper and well things don't slide well on sand paper. Next
look at the trap size; look for 2 inches or larger. A large flapper valve
is also a plus.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

In my experience in the "real world," regardless what CU says, are
toilets from Toto. These are great toilets with excellent flushing
capability. With experience with pressurized tanks toilets, the Toto
outperforms them and is very quiet.

They're a bit hard to find, but well worth the effort.

Here's a link to Toto's residential website. BTW . . . Toto is a
Japanese company. I bought mine at a local plumbing supply house.
Toto is the Lexus or Acura of toilets! I couldn't resist that, but my
experience tends to support that analogy.

http://www.totousa.com/residentialtoiletsearch.asp

"C & E" wrote in message
...
I'm about todo a remodel in a bath with one of the old 5 gal flush
toilets. This toilet's run is pretty long and takes several turns so it
has always been a bit slow. I know that one of the pressurized tank
models would work best but the noise would jack the person in the next
bedroom right out of bed. Has anyone read anything on the most efficient,
siphon flush toilet available?


As someone else said, Consumer Reports tested toilets. They actually made
artificial turds - pretty thorough! At www.consumerreports.org, you can buy
a short membership for something like $5 or $8 or something. Definitely do
it, or find the article at your library.

We just installed the Eljer mentioned in Consumer Reports, elongated and
comfort height. Best flush I've experienced in 40 years. An American
Standard Champion is going in the other bath only because my wife likes its
styling better.

Dave

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
...
C & E wrote:
I'm about todo a remodel in a bath with one of the old 5 gal flush
toilets.
This toilet's run is pretty long and takes several turns so it has
always
been a bit slow. I know that one of the pressurized tank models would
work
best but the noise would jack the person in the next bedroom right out
of
bed. Has anyone read anything on the most efficient, siphon flush
toilet
available?

The American Standard Champion was highest rated by an artical I read
about a
year ago. May I suggest the elongated version in the comfort (orthopedic)
height? It runs $172-$247 at Home Depot, depending on color. The tank is
extra.

Lowes sells them for even cheaper, starting at $141. The tank is $112
there.

Shop around. Google is your friend.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

Don Allen wrote:
In my experience in the "real world," regardless what CU says, are
toilets from Toto. These are great toilets with excellent flushing
capability. With experience with pressurized tanks toilets, the Toto
outperforms them and is very quiet.

They're a bit hard to find, but well worth the effort.


I second that emotion. We got a Toto Drake model. It would flush a
basketball. It also refills quickly and is quieter than the toilet it
replaced.

Another source of info: http://www.terrylove.com/

I would install a new 5 gallon flusher, or keep the old toilet.

Old ttoilets flushed great and werent noisey Fushing a watersaver
toilet repeatedly uses MORE water than a single 5 gallon flush.

I heard they are legal again in the US

The American Standard Champion was highest rated by an artical I read
about a year ago. May I suggest the elongated version in the comfort
(orthopedic) height? It runs $172-$247 at Home Depot, depending on color.
The tank is extra.


absolutely!
we have these installed and they are UNPLUGGABLE!

BCDrums wrote:
Don Allen wrote:
In my experience in the "real world," regardless what CU says, are
toilets from Toto. These are great toilets with excellent flushing
capability. With experience with pressurized tanks toilets, the Toto
outperforms them and is very quiet.

They're a bit hard to find, but well worth the effort.


I second that emotion. We got a Toto Drake model. It would flush a
basketball. It also refills quickly and is quieter than the toilet it
replaced.

Another source of info: http://www.terrylove.com/

I second that second, especially the link. Read that website
thoroughly. It's a goldmine of info.

"I'm about todo a remodel in a bath with one of the old 5 gal flush
toilets. This toilet's run is pretty long and takes several turns so it
has always been a bit slow. I know that one of the pressurized tank
models would work best but the noise would jack the person in the next
bedroom right out of bed. Has anyone read anything on the most
efficient, siphon flush toilet available?"
____________________________________
Re;
I just installed an Amercian Standard "Champion" at my mom and dad's
house 3 weeks ago because they were having trouble with clogging.
They've reported no problems since. The tolilet claims to be able to
handle two dozen golf balls in a single flush; for what that's worth.
Good luck...
Dan Akers

Whatever you get, run an auger down the pipe while you have it off. Since
you claim to have many bends in the pipe, you can proobably clear something
out and improve the drainige without buying any particular toilet.


wrote in message
oups.com...
I would install a new 5 gallon flusher, or keep the old toilet.

Old ttoilets flushed great and werent noisey Fushing a watersaver
toilet repeatedly uses MORE water than a single 5 gallon flush.

I heard they are legal again in the US

If you'd really like to dig into the subject, take a look at this
Canadian government study. It rated toilets by the weight (in grams) of,
uh, stuff that it could move in a single flush.

http://www.cwwa.ca/pdf_files/MaP%206...010%202006.pdf

The ratings start on page 17. More than you ever wanted to know!

I'm very happy with my Toto, but when my son broke one, I recommended
the AS Cadet, which cost quite a bit less and was more readily
available. He is quite happy with the Cadet.

C & E wrote:

I'm about todo a remodel in a bath with one of the old 5 gal flush toilets.
This toilet's run is pretty long and takes several turns so it has always
been a bit slow. I know that one of the pressurized tank models would work
best but the noise would jack the person in the next bedroom right out of
bed. Has anyone read anything on the most efficient, siphon flush toilet
available?

BCDrums wrote:
If you'd really like to dig into the subject, take a look at this
Canadian government study. It rated toilets by the weight (in grams) of,
uh, stuff that it could move in a single flush.

http://www.cwwa.ca/pdf_files/MaP%206...010%202006.pdf

The ratings start on page 17. More than you ever wanted to know!


This is the article I'd read last year. That's where I got the idea that the
American Standard Champion was a high performance toilet. Additionally, it's
widely available at the local borg.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

The newer Gerber pressure assisted are pretty darn quiet.


"m Ransley" wrote in message
...
Yea I have a pressure assist and im sure all the neighbors know when it
flushes its so loud. Consumer Reports online has a comparison test. But
You will get used to the pressure assists noise , it doesn`t bother me
at all anymore, it only took me 4 short years to get used to.

"C & E" wrote in
:

I'm about todo a remodel in a bath with one of the old 5 gal flush
toilets. This toilet's run is pretty long and takes several turns so
it has always been a bit slow. I know that one of the pressurized
tank models would work best but the noise would jack the person in the
next bedroom right out of bed. Has anyone read anything on the most
efficient, siphon flush toilet available?




Google "flapperless toilet";my apt.complex replaced all it's toilets with
this toilet,and it works great,uses the std. 1.6Gal/flush,and has no
flapper to degrade and leak,and no complex pressurizing stuff.
It's very simple,hasn't needed servicing in the 4 years I've had it.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Just a note to thank you for this link. It is great!! Much more
comprehensive and realistic than Consumer Reports.

BCDrums wrote:
If you'd really like to dig into the subject, take a look at this
Canadian government study. It rated toilets by the weight (in grams) of,
uh, stuff that it could move in a single flush.

http://www.cwwa.ca/pdf_files/MaP%206...010%202006.pdf

The ratings start on page 17. More than you ever wanted to know!

GaryRW wrote:
Just a note to thank you for this link. It is great!! Much more
comprehensive and realistic than Consumer Reports.

BCDrums wrote:
If you'd really like to dig into the subject, take a look at this
Canadian government study. It rated toilets by the weight (in grams) of,
uh, stuff that it could move in a single flush.

http://www.cwwa.ca/pdf_files/MaP%206...010%202006.pdf

The ratings start on page 17. More than you ever wanted to know!


You're welcome!

BC

Ditto. The Eljer with its fully glazed trap has worked out well for
me for 3 years without a clog.

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:50:38 GMT, "Dave Combs"
wrote:

We just installed the Eljer mentioned in Consumer Reports, elongated and
comfort height. Best flush I've experienced in 40 years. An American
Standard Champion is going in the other bath only because my wife likes its
styling better.

Dave

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
...
C & E wrote:
I'm about todo a remodel in a bath with one of the old 5 gal flush
toilets.
This toilet's run is pretty long and takes several turns so it has
always
been a bit slow. I know that one of the pressurized tank models would
work
best but the noise would jack the person in the next bedroom right out
of
bed. Has anyone read anything on the most efficient, siphon flush
toilet
available?

The American Standard Champion was highest rated by an artical I read
about a
year ago. May I suggest the elongated version in the comfort (orthopedic)
height? It runs $172-$247 at Home Depot, depending on color. The tank is
extra.

Lowes sells them for even cheaper, starting at $141. The tank is $112
there.

Shop around. Google is your friend.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE