I am developing my basement that will have a kitchenette (1) , full
bath (2.5), a separate vanity only nook (1) and a wet bar (1), that is
five and a half sets of H+C water plumbing. I love the flex tube
water pipes (PEC?) for running the water lines. These tubes are
secured to the fixtures by a crimp ring that requires a special crimp
tool. The tool costs $60+ the last time I checked. Renting one for
the day is something like $20 and the clock is ticking on overtime. I
react poorly to this kind of stress. Instead of working faster I
freeze up.

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this? The alternative is to use stainless steel hose rings. Will
this have enough holding strength to keep the tube+fixtures securely
in place?

PaPaPeng wrote:
I am developing my basement that will have a kitchenette (1) , full
bath (2.5), a separate vanity only nook (1) and a wet bar (1), that is
five and a half sets of H+C water plumbing. I love the flex tube
water pipes (PEC?) for running the water lines. These tubes are
secured to the fixtures by a crimp ring that requires a special crimp
tool. The tool costs $60+ the last time I checked. Renting one for
the day is something like $20 and the clock is ticking on overtime. I
react poorly to this kind of stress. Instead of working faster I
freeze up.

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this? The alternative is to use stainless steel hose rings. Will
this have enough holding strength to keep the tube+fixtures securely
in place?

Why not just rent the tool and then when you are returning it you can bash the
clerk's head in and leave without paying?

Idiot.

On 2006-01-08, PaPaPeng wrote:

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund.

This is unethical. Instead of returning it, sell the tool on ebay and
recoup 75%-100% of the purchase price.

Cheers, Wayne

PaPaPeng wrote:
I am developing my basement that will have a kitchenette (1) , full
bath (2.5), a separate vanity only nook (1) and a wet bar (1), that is
five and a half sets of H+C water plumbing. I love the flex tube
water pipes (PEC?) for running the water lines. These tubes are
secured to the fixtures by a crimp ring that requires a special crimp
tool. The tool costs $60+ the last time I checked. Renting one for
the day is something like $20 and the clock is ticking on overtime. I
react poorly to this kind of stress. Instead of working faster I
freeze up.

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this? The alternative is to use stainless steel hose rings. Will
this have enough holding strength to keep the tube+fixtures securely
in place?

Kitchenette, full bath, wet bar, etc. = $5-10k and you're concerned over
$60?

Have someone quote you a price for all the pipes including the tool, that
way you won't be so distressed.

Or sell the tool afterward.

PaPaPeng wrote:
I am developing my basement that will have a kitchenette (1) , full
bath (2.5), a separate vanity only nook (1) and a wet bar (1), that is
five and a half sets of H+C water plumbing. I love the flex tube
water pipes (PEC?) for running the water lines. These tubes are
secured to the fixtures by a crimp ring that requires a special crimp
tool. The tool costs $60+ the last time I checked. Renting one for
the day is something like $20 and the clock is ticking on overtime. I
react poorly to this kind of stress. Instead of working faster I
freeze up.

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this? The alternative is to use stainless steel hose rings. Will
this have enough holding strength to keep the tube+fixtures securely
in place?

Hold up a liquor store and have more than enough money to buy the tool.

R

I look at EVERY TOOL PURCHASE as a investment for the future.

Renti the tool 3 times and you paid for it.

Just BUY the thing and its yours forever

"PaPaPeng" wrote in message
...



I am developing my basement that will have a kitchenette (1) , full
bath (2.5), a separate vanity only nook (1) and a wet bar (1), that is
five and a half sets of H+C water plumbing. I love the flex tube
water pipes (PEC?) for running the water lines. These tubes are
secured to the fixtures by a crimp ring that requires a special crimp
tool. The tool costs $60+ the last time I checked. Renting one for
the day is something like $20 and the clock is ticking on overtime. I
react poorly to this kind of stress. Instead of working faster I
freeze up.

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this? The alternative is to use stainless steel hose rings. Will
this have enough holding strength to keep the tube+fixtures securely
in place?

It's this type of thinking that drives prices up for those of us with a bit
of integrity.
Buy the damn tool and then sell it on ebay.

Aside from the totally unethical part of returning a used tool and screwing
the next person who buys it, look at the economic part. You spend time and
money buying and returning the tool. You'll surely need it again in the
future. Do you intend to buy and return one every time you need it. If you
have a leak and you can't get another tool, and have to hire a plumber,
you're out more than $60. Don't be cheap ass, but the tool and keep it.

"PaPaPeng" wrote in message
...



I am developing my basement that will have a kitchenette (1) , full
bath (2.5), a separate vanity only nook (1) and a wet bar (1), that is
five and a half sets of H+C water plumbing. I love the flex tube
water pipes (PEC?) for running the water lines. These tubes are
secured to the fixtures by a crimp ring that requires a special crimp
tool. The tool costs $60+ the last time I checked. Renting one for
the day is something like $20 and the clock is ticking on overtime. I
react poorly to this kind of stress. Instead of working faster I
freeze up.

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this? The alternative is to use stainless steel hose rings. Will
this have enough holding strength to keep the tube+fixtures securely
in place?

I have to agree with James Cubby Culbertson. If you are going to go
that far to get the flex tubing without fittings on the ends, then buy
the tool, and sell it on ebay. Someone out there that does this work
for a living just might be looking for this tool and will look on ebay.

Also, if you are that into doing home projects, what is to say that you
won't have a use for this tool again in the future?

WHy not just steal the tools? That would be just about as ethical.


"PaPaPeng" wrote in message
...



I am developing my basement that will have a kitchenette (1) , full
bath (2.5), a separate vanity only nook (1) and a wet bar (1), that is
five and a half sets of H+C water plumbing. I love the flex tube
water pipes (PEC?) for running the water lines. These tubes are
secured to the fixtures by a crimp ring that requires a special crimp
tool. The tool costs $60+ the last time I checked. Renting one for
the day is something like $20 and the clock is ticking on overtime. I
react poorly to this kind of stress. Instead of working faster I
freeze up.

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this? The alternative is to use stainless steel hose rings. Will
this have enough holding strength to keep the tube+fixtures securely
in place?

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this?

You are hoping that a few lowlifes will tell you that it is fine to do.
Then you can go ahead with it, telling yourself that other people said it is
okay. Right?

That is very very sad.

Why not use copper tubing? The only tool you need is a soldering torch
which you might already have or can buy new for around $10 or $12 and it is
a handy tool to have around the house for other things as well. Don't be a
cheapskate. If you need a tool, decide whether it is more beneficial for
you to rent it or buy it and then do it. Nevermind returning it under false
pretences after you have used it. I have customers that try tricks like
that with me, but they will need my services down the road when they have
problems with the product they have purchased and then they don't get the
services and are shocked to learn why.
Ric

"PaPaPeng" wrote in message
...



I am developing my basement that will have a kitchenette (1) , full
bath (2.5), a separate vanity only nook (1) and a wet bar (1), that is
five and a half sets of H+C water plumbing. I love the flex tube
water pipes (PEC?) for running the water lines. These tubes are
secured to the fixtures by a crimp ring that requires a special crimp
tool. The tool costs $60+ the last time I checked. Renting one for
the day is something like $20 and the clock is ticking on overtime. I
react poorly to this kind of stress. Instead of working faster I
freeze up.

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this? The alternative is to use stainless steel hose rings. Will
this have enough holding strength to keep the tube+fixtures securely
in place?

On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:50:18 GMT, PaPaPeng wrote:

I am developing my basement that will have a kitchenette (1) , full
bath (2.5), a separate vanity only nook (1) and a wet bar (1), that is
five and a half sets of H+C water plumbing. I love the flex tube
water pipes (PEC?) for running the water lines. These tubes are
secured to the fixtures by a crimp ring that requires a special crimp
tool. The tool costs $60+ the last time I checked. Renting one for
the day is something like $20 and the clock is ticking on overtime. I
react poorly to this kind of stress. Instead of working faster I
freeze up.

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this? The alternative is to use stainless steel hose rings. Will
this have enough holding strength to keep the tube+fixtures securely
in place?

It's not an idea of yours, it's a plan. You are looking for someone to
sign off on your bull**** and I'm not feeling it. It's selfishness at
it's best...Rent or buy the friggin tool. You will not find a PEX
crimper in the average store and good plumbing store will be on to
your crap. I guess you might also want a refund on the crimp rings you
hose during your freezing spell!

Oren



"My doctor says I have a malformed public-duty gland
and a natural deficiency in moral fiber, and that I am therefore
excused from saving Universes."

If you're asking, then you know it's wrong. Buy the tool and use it, sell
it on ebay when you're done. 60 bucks ain't squat when you roll it on to
the cost of your project. I have recently spent about $800.00 on various
tools that I need for a large upcoming project. The investment in the right
tool for the job is peanuts compared to hiring the work done. And, yes, I
plan on keeping all the tools I bought and using them for years to come.



"PaPaPeng" wrote in message
...



I am developing my basement that will have a kitchenette (1) , full
bath (2.5), a separate vanity only nook (1) and a wet bar (1), that is
five and a half sets of H+C water plumbing. I love the flex tube
water pipes (PEC?) for running the water lines. These tubes are
secured to the fixtures by a crimp ring that requires a special crimp
tool. The tool costs $60+ the last time I checked. Renting one for
the day is something like $20 and the clock is ticking on overtime. I
react poorly to this kind of stress. Instead of working faster I
freeze up.

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this? The alternative is to use stainless steel hose rings. Will
this have enough holding strength to keep the tube+fixtures securely
in place?

I would run in most of your fixtures with the proper hoses and shutoff
valves using common PVC or CPVC fittings.

The pex tube stuff is really good for service runs and a lot of the
places that sell it will crimp the fittings for you.

Buying and returning the tool is low. Just like buying a suit for a
wedding and returning it after the event.

If you install the fixtures and cut all the pipe runs you should easily
crimp on connectors in a day. So rent the thing.

You sound like the kind of person that fakes insurance claims and tries
to pay less for contracted work for no real reason, go steal one, whats
the difference, maybe we will be lucky and you will get caught

On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:50:18 GMT, PaPaPeng wrote:




I am developing my basement that will have a kitchenette (1) , full
bath (2.5), a separate vanity only nook (1) and a wet bar (1), that is
five and a half sets of H+C water plumbing. I love the flex tube
water pipes (PEC?) for running the water lines. These tubes are
secured to the fixtures by a crimp ring that requires a special crimp
tool. The tool costs $60+ the last time I checked. Renting one for
the day is something like $20 and the clock is ticking on overtime. I
react poorly to this kind of stress. Instead of working faster I
freeze up.

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this? The alternative is to use stainless steel hose rings. Will
this have enough holding strength to keep the tube+fixtures securely
in place?

Through all of history, few people had a kitchenette in addition to
their kitchen. And I'm sure your kitchen is nicer than most had. And
you want a wet bar, even though everything that accomplishes can be
done with a cabinet and the kitchenette sink, or the original kitchen
sink. And then you *love* flex tube water pipes. You just want
everthing don't you, even though you feel you can't afford it.

This strikes me as like saying, I can afford to go to that really
fancy restaurant, as long as I don't tip.

Remove NOPSAM to email me. Please let
me know if you have posted also.

To me he sounds like a troll.

"m Ransley" wrote in message
...
You sound like the kind of person that fakes insurance claims and tries
to pay less for contracted work for no real reason, go steal one, whats
the difference, maybe we will be lucky and you will get caught

On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:45:23 -0600, "J.A. Michel"
wrote:

If you're asking, then you know it's wrong. Buy the tool and use it, sell
it on ebay when you're done. 60 bucks ain't squat when you roll it on to
the cost of your project. I have recently spent about $800.00 on various
tools that I need for a large upcoming project. The investment in the right
tool for the job is peanuts compared to hiring the work done. And, yes, I
plan on keeping all the tools I bought and using them for years to come.


I already have more tools than I can shake a stick at. I will never
use the crimper again. The best solution so far is to look around for
a used one on the local swap shop or something like that and then
resell it the same way. Buying on eBay and shipping that tool across
the country isn't economical. Yes 60 bucks is something to me - 2
weeks groceries for example. I'm retired on a very limited income.
Fortunately I am a pretty good handyman and can fix just about
anything. That idea about buying and returning the tool came from
another customer and discussed infront of a HD salesman. The HM guy
said it is done all the time. The packaging looked it. Didn't faze
him.

Returning tools may be done all the time, but it doesn't mean you have to
bring yourself down to other people's level. There's a big difference
between being poor and being poor and unethical. At least the former can
still hold his head high.

"PaPaPeng" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:45:23 -0600, "J.A. Michel"
wrote:

If you're asking, then you know it's wrong. Buy the tool and use it,
sell
it on ebay when you're done. 60 bucks ain't squat when you roll it on to
the cost of your project. I have recently spent about $800.00 on various
tools that I need for a large upcoming project. The investment in the
right
tool for the job is peanuts compared to hiring the work done. And, yes,
I
plan on keeping all the tools I bought and using them for years to come.


I already have more tools than I can shake a stick at. I will never
use the crimper again. The best solution so far is to look around for
a used one on the local swap shop or something like that and then
resell it the same way. Buying on eBay and shipping that tool across
the country isn't economical. Yes 60 bucks is something to me - 2
weeks groceries for example. I'm retired on a very limited income.
Fortunately I am a pretty good handyman and can fix just about
anything. That idea about buying and returning the tool came from
another customer and discussed infront of a HD salesman. The HM guy
said it is done all the time. The packaging looked it. Didn't faze
him.

"Bob" wrote in message
...
To me he sounds like a troll.

"m Ransley" wrote in message
...
You sound like the kind of person that fakes insurance claims and tries
to pay less for contracted work for no real reason, go steal one, whats
the difference, maybe we will be lucky and you will get caught

PaPaPeng has been around here quite a few years.....

Lowes used to sell a lot of generators before hurricanes, then they
would be returned used after the power came back on. Now if the
generator comes back in an opened box, they will not take it back. I'm
sure that policy will apply to other stuff at Lowes and other stores in
the future as well after enough crooks try your stunt. You and your
stunt will get no respect or sympathy from me.

Stretch

PaPaPeng wrote:



I am developing my basement that will have a kitchenette (1) , full
bath (2.5), a separate vanity only nook (1) and a wet bar (1), that is
five and a half sets of H+C water plumbing. I love the flex tube
water pipes (PEC?) for running the water lines. These tubes are
secured to the fixtures by a crimp ring that requires a special crimp
tool. The tool costs $60+ the last time I checked. Renting one for
the day is something like $20 and the clock is ticking on overtime. I
react poorly to this kind of stress. Instead of working faster I
freeze up.

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this? The alternative is to use stainless steel hose rings. Will
this have enough holding strength to keep the tube+fixtures securely
in place?

Questions like that are why I have a sign on my office wall reading:

THERE IS NO RIGHT WAY TO DO THE WRONG THING.

Whenever anyone starts mumbling that maybe if we did such and such we'd
get away with it, I just point to the sign and tell them to knock it off.

Jeff (It's good to own the business.....)

--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"Truth exists; only falsehood has to be invented."

PaPaPeng wrote:

I already have more tools than I can shake a stick at. I will never
use the crimper again. The best solution so far is to look around for
a used one on the local swap shop or something like that and then
resell it the same way. Buying on eBay and shipping that tool across
the country isn't economical. Yes 60 bucks is something to me - 2
weeks groceries for example. I'm retired on a very limited income.
Fortunately I am a pretty good handyman and can fix just about
anything. That idea about buying and returning the tool came from
another customer and discussed infront of a HD salesman. The HM guy
said it is done all the time. The packaging looked it. Didn't faze
him.

Wow. I thought you were just a troll. You're not. You're a schmuck.
My mistake.

Sell some of those other tools, Brainiac, scale back your project by
$60, get a job where you can earn the money honestly (should take,
what?, half a day?) or don't eat for two weeks.

R

On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:50:18 GMT, PaPaPeng wrote:




I am developing my basement that will have a kitchenette (1) , full
bath (2.5), a separate vanity only nook (1) and a wet bar (1), that is
five and a half sets of H+C water plumbing. I love the flex tube
water pipes (PEC?) for running the water lines. These tubes are
secured to the fixtures by a crimp ring that requires a special crimp
tool. The tool costs $60+ the last time I checked. Renting one for
the day is something like $20 and the clock is ticking on overtime. I
react poorly to this kind of stress. Instead of working faster I
freeze up.

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this? The alternative is to use stainless steel hose rings. Will
this have enough holding strength to keep the tube+fixtures securely
in place?


This has got to be a troll, however, since the subject has been
broached I'll throw in my $.02. I worked for a tool manufacturer for
my entire career and clowns who do this are a source of great
irritation. Runs up the companies warranty (retailer just sends it
back or has a destroy in field policy, doesn't hurt them). One end
user customer did this so often with our product that the local
dealers were told that if they sold him anything else, that it was
without warranty or they would have to honor it themselves.

In my opinion it is simply stealing.

Oren wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:50:18 GMT, PaPaPeng wrote:


I am developing my basement that will have a kitchenette (1) , full
bath (2.5), a separate vanity only nook (1) and a wet bar (1), that is
five and a half sets of H+C water plumbing. I love the flex tube
water pipes (PEC?) for running the water lines. These tubes are
secured to the fixtures by a crimp ring that requires a special crimp
tool. The tool costs $60+ the last time I checked. Renting one for
the day is something like $20 and the clock is ticking on overtime. I
react poorly to this kind of stress. Instead of working faster I
freeze up.

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this? The alternative is to use stainless steel hose rings. Will
this have enough holding strength to keep the tube+fixtures securely
in place?


It's not an idea of yours, it's a plan. You are looking for someone to
sign off on your bull**** and I'm not feeling it. It's selfishness at
it's best...Rent or buy the friggin tool. You will not find a PEX
crimper in the average store and good plumbing store will be on to
your crap. I guess you might also want a refund on the crimp rings you
hose during your freezing spell!

Oren



"My doctor says I have a malformed public-duty gland
and a natural deficiency in moral fiber, and that I am therefore
excused from saving Universes."

Actually the "freezing" is about the worst excuse
for engaging in fraud that I have ever heard. Why
not just say, "the Devil made me do it?"

This has got to be a troll, however, since the subject has been
broached I'll throw in my $.02. I worked for a tool manufacturer for
my entire career and clowns who do this are a source of great
irritation. Runs up the companies warranty (retailer just sends it
back or has a destroy in field policy, doesn't hurt them). One end
user customer did this so often with our product that the local
dealers were told that if they sold him anything else, that it was
without warranty or they would have to honor it themselves.

I used to sell to a unnamed, but really big, home center. They started
having "defects" and "shortages" at a rate 10x higher than my other
customers. I told them if they didn't stop I wouldn't be shipping anymore.
You hate to do that, but there wasn't enough profit to do anything else.
Anyhow, their rates went back to normal.

Just something to think about.

"PaPaPeng" wrote in message
...



I am developing my basement that will have a kitchenette (1) , full
bath (2.5), a separate vanity only nook (1) and a wet bar (1), that is
five and a half sets of H+C water plumbing. I love the flex tube
water pipes (PEC?) for running the water lines. These tubes are
secured to the fixtures by a crimp ring that requires a special crimp
tool. The tool costs $60+ the last time I checked. Renting one for
the day is something like $20 and the clock is ticking on overtime. I
react poorly to this kind of stress. Instead of working faster I
freeze up.

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this? The alternative is to use stainless steel hose rings. Will
this have enough holding strength to keep the tube+fixtures securely
in place?

I'd bet the rest of your life is pretty much a messy daily drama.

Am I right?

Steve

When you're not home my friends and I are going to borrow your house
for a party. It's done all the time...

When you're not home my friends and I are going to borrow your house
for a party. It's done all the time...

"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message
...
PaPaPeng wrote:



I am developing my basement that will have a kitchenette (1) , full
bath (2.5), a separate vanity only nook (1) and a wet bar (1), that is
five and a half sets of H+C water plumbing. I love the flex tube
water pipes (PEC?) for running the water lines. These tubes are
secured to the fixtures by a crimp ring that requires a special crimp
tool. The tool costs $60+ the last time I checked. Renting one for
the day is something like $20 and the clock is ticking on overtime. I
react poorly to this kind of stress. Instead of working faster I
freeze up.

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this? The alternative is to use stainless steel hose rings. Will
this have enough holding strength to keep the tube+fixtures securely
in place?

Questions like that are why I have a sign on my office wall reading:

THERE IS NO RIGHT WAY TO DO THE WRONG THING.

"Here's yer sign....."

"Ric Shaw" wrote in message
...
Why not use copper tubing? The only tool you need is a soldering torch
which you might already have or can buy new for around $10 or $12 and it
is
a handy tool to have around the house for other things as well.

Hell, he'd just return it empty.

Yes 60 bucks is something to me - 2
weeks groceries for example. I'm retired on a very limited income.

Doesn't add up if you are doing this seemingly fairly unnecessary addition.

You've already lost more than $60 in good will from this posting IMHO.

"Steve B" wrote in message
news:xahwf.7287$JT.2037@fed1read06...

"PaPaPeng" wrote in message
...



I am developing my basement that will have a kitchenette (1) , full
bath (2.5), a separate vanity only nook (1) and a wet bar (1), that is
five and a half sets of H+C water plumbing. I love the flex tube
water pipes (PEC?) for running the water lines. These tubes are
secured to the fixtures by a crimp ring that requires a special crimp
tool. The tool costs $60+ the last time I checked. Renting one for
the day is something like $20 and the clock is ticking on overtime. I
react poorly to this kind of stress. Instead of working faster I
freeze up.

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this? The alternative is to use stainless steel hose rings. Will
this have enough holding strength to keep the tube+fixtures securely
in place?

I'd bet the rest of your life is pretty much a messy daily drama.

Am I right?

That's cruel, but probably right.

PaPaPeng wrote:


I am developing my basement that will have a kitchenette (1) , full
bath (2.5), a separate vanity only nook (1) and a wet bar (1), that is
five and a half sets of H+C water plumbing. I love the flex tube
water pipes (PEC?) for running the water lines. These tubes are
secured to the fixtures by a crimp ring that requires a special crimp
tool. The tool costs $60+ the last time I checked. Renting one for
the day is something like $20 and the clock is ticking on overtime. I
react poorly to this kind of stress. Instead of working faster I
freeze up.

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this? The alternative is to use stainless steel hose rings. Will
this have enough holding strength to keep the tube+fixtures securely
in place?

your an ASS just for thinking of doing that

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I am developing my basement that will have a kitchenette (1) , full
bath (2.5), a separate vanity only nook (1) and a wet bar (1), that is
five and a half sets of H+C water plumbing. I love the flex tube
water pipes (PEC?) for running the water lines. These tubes are
secured to the fixtures by a crimp ring that requires a special crimp
tool. The tool costs $60+ the last time I checked. Renting one for
the day is something like $20 and the clock is ticking on overtime. I
react poorly to this kind of stress. Instead of working faster I
freeze up.

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this? The alternative is to use stainless steel hose rings. Will
this have enough holding strength to keep the tube+fixtures securely
in place?

I'd bet the rest of your life is pretty much a messy daily drama.

Am I right?

That's cruel, but probably right.


Not cruel.

Ugly.

Truth is ugly.

Steve

PaPaPeng wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:45:23 -0600, "J.A. Michel"
wrote:

If you're asking, then you know it's wrong. Buy the tool and use it,
sell it on ebay when you're done. 60 bucks ain't squat when you roll
it on to the cost of your project. I have recently spent about
$800.00 on various tools that I need for a large upcoming project.
The investment in the right tool for the job is peanuts compared to
hiring the work done. And, yes, I plan on keeping all the tools I
bought and using them for years to come.


I already have more tools than I can shake a stick at.

Sell them, you need to money.


I will never
use the crimper again. The best solution so far is to look around for
a used one on the local swap shop or something like that and then
resell it the same way. Buying on eBay and shipping that tool across
the country isn't economical. Yes 60 bucks is something to me - 2
weeks groceries for example. I'm retired on a very limited income.

If you can afford the improvements you are planning you can afford the
tool.

You are either a troll or a thief.

Fortunately I am a pretty good handyman and can fix just about
anything.

Take on some jobs as a handyman to make money honestly rather than
steeling.

That idea about buying and returning the tool came from
another customer and discussed infront of a HD salesman. The HM guy
said it is done all the time. The packaging looked it. Didn't faze
him.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

In article , wrote:

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this?

My "take" on this is that you're hoping someone will tell you that stealing is
OK. That's what you're proposing to do.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

On 8 Jan 2006 14:08:49 -0800, "Stretch" wrote:

Lowes used to sell a lot of generators before hurricanes, then they
would be returned used after the power came back on. Now if the
generator comes back in an opened box, they will not take it back. I'm

Even if the paint is not burned off the muffler? That was the
standard 40 years ago iirc.

But still, I undestand why they tighted up.

Bad actors make things harder for everyone. Now there are a lot of
phone credit cards and loads of special plans, but there were decades
when one coulld make a long distance call from a pay phone (or any
phone I suppose) and charge it to one's own home phone. Too many
people lied about who they were and what there home phone was, and
they stopped permitting it, unless someone was at that number to ok
it. Since I lived alone, I could no longer do it.

Loads of things like that.

sure that policy will apply to other stuff at Lowes and other stores in
the future as well after enough crooks try your stunt. You and your
stunt will get no respect or sympathy from me.

Stretch


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In article , PaPaPeng
wrote:

I am developing my basement that will have a kitchenette (1) , full
bath (2.5), a separate vanity only nook (1) and a wet bar (1), that is
five and a half sets of H+C water plumbing. I love the flex tube
water pipes (PEC?) for running the water lines. These tubes are
secured to the fixtures by a crimp ring that requires a special crimp
tool. The tool costs $60+ the last time I checked. Renting one for
the day is something like $20 and the clock is ticking on overtime. I
react poorly to this kind of stress. Instead of working faster I
freeze up.

My idea is to buy the tool first, take a week to do a proper plumbing
job, then return the tool for a refund. The ruse "free use" is
obvious and I am not too comfortable with it. What's your take on
this? The alternative is to use stainless steel hose rings. Will
this have enough holding strength to keep the tube+fixtures securely
in place?

You know the answer to this question or you wouldn't be asking it here.

-Frank

--
Here's some of my work:
http://www.franksknives.com/