We are moving to the country, no NG, so we have to go with propane. I
probably would have choosen oil if I could have but the house we got is
propane.
I wondered about the safety of LP.
The BTU for LP being lower than NG, with NG going up all the time, would you
say LP prices are similar?
considering all the extra charges of NG like : delivery to you, storage,
monthly fee etc....these prices are probably not reflected with LP so we'd
think the price would be cheaper.

boubou wrote:

We are moving to the country, no NG, so we have to go with propane. I
probably would have choosen oil if I could have but the house we got is
propane.
I wondered about the safety of LP.

Essentially the same as NG--only real difference is heavier than air
rather than lighter so it will settle. Consequently, no water heaters,
etc., in basements.

The BTU for LP being lower than NG, with NG going up all the time, would you
say LP prices are similar?

LP is derived from NG so they're tied at the waist, so to speak...

considering all the extra charges of NG like : delivery to you, storage,
monthly fee etc....these prices are probably not reflected with LP so we'd
think the price would be cheaper.

Seems like you've got this backwards--NG is the one on pipeline
distribution systems, LPG is truck delivery. You're right, these are
some cost items.

about the delivery of NG in ontario:
here's an example of my NG bill for october
gas @ 29.9
transportation to union gas @ 3.3687
transportation to union gas (again????) @ 2.8987
storage @ 2.8308
storage @ 2.7642
delivery to you@ 8.53
monthly charge @ 8.5338

soooooooooo
my monthly $$$ for the gas alone at 29.9 cents is $28.94
all the other costs: $ 27.85
total of :$56.79 for 96.796 gas used m3/
anyone good at math to convert this to LP?

This IS Natural gas

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
...
boubou wrote:

We are moving to the country, no NG, so we have to go with propane. I
probably would have choosen oil if I could have but the house we got is
propane.
I wondered about the safety of LP.

Essentially the same as NG--only real difference is heavier than air
rather than lighter so it will settle. Consequently, no water heaters,
etc., in basements.

The BTU for LP being lower than NG, with NG going up all the time, would
you
say LP prices are similar?

LP is derived from NG so they're tied at the waist, so to speak...

considering all the extra charges of NG like : delivery to you, storage,
monthly fee etc....these prices are probably not reflected with LP so
we'd
think the price would be cheaper.

Seems like you've got this backwards--NG is the one on pipeline
distribution systems, LPG is truck delivery. You're right, these are
some cost items.

"boubou" wrote in message
...
We are moving to the country, no NG, so we have to go with propane. I
probably would have choosen oil if I could have but the house we got is
propane.
I wondered about the safety of LP.
The BTU for LP being lower than NG, with NG going up all the time, would
you
say LP prices are similar?
considering all the extra charges of NG like : delivery to you, storage,
monthly fee etc....these prices are probably not reflected with LP so we'd
think the price would be cheaper.

You will find that LP flucuates just like every other petrolum product.
There are regs in my state about hauling tanks 100 pounds and above. Less
and they do not get in your way.
Delivery charges can be substantial. I grew up in Iowa and folks always
filled their 300-1000 gallon tanks just before fall hit. Then another fill
to get into summer. Depends a lot on the house and your life style how much
you will use.

Some tanks are owner tanks, some are leased. There are advantages to both.

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
...
boubou wrote:


Essentially the same as NG--only real difference is heavier than air
rather than lighter so it will settle. Consequently, no water heaters,
etc., in basements.




No appliances in the basement? What am I missing?
I see, and install LP furnaces, boilers, and water heaters in basements all
the time. Absolutely normal operation around here.
Greg

Time for me to call the builder about the water heater,
I got nervous about it.
Should I put a LP water heater in basement or go we electric???
I'd rather go the safe route, I'm nervous about the pilot light.
How about putting a safety shut off valve AND a propane gas detector??

"Greg O" wrote in message
...
"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
...
boubou wrote:


Essentially the same as NG--only real difference is heavier than air
rather than lighter so it will settle. Consequently, no water heaters,
etc., in basements.




No appliances in the basement? What am I missing?
I see, and install LP furnaces, boilers, and water heaters in basements
all the time. Absolutely normal operation around here.
Greg

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:31:12 -0500, "boubou"
wrote:

Time for me to call the builder about the water heater,
I got nervous about it.
Should I put a LP water heater in basement or go we electric???
I'd rather go the safe route, I'm nervous about the pilot light.
How about putting a safety shut off valve AND a propane gas detector??

============
I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill...
..
Millions of famlies use Propane to heat their homes..
I can not recall seeing any stories in the local paper or on the
nightly TV news braodcast concerning houses exploding etc

I heat my hoime with electricity but I heat my shop with Propane..
its a non issue except for the price...propane goes up and down all
the time..

Bob G.

Thanks
"Bob G." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:31:12 -0500, "boubou"
wrote:

Time for me to call the builder about the water heater,
I got nervous about it.
Should I put a LP water heater in basement or go we electric???
I'd rather go the safe route, I'm nervous about the pilot light.
How about putting a safety shut off valve AND a propane gas detector??

============
I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill...
.
Millions of famlies use Propane to heat their homes..
I can not recall seeing any stories in the local paper or on the
nightly TV news braodcast concerning houses exploding etc

I heat my hoime with electricity but I heat my shop with Propane..
its a non issue except for the price...propane goes up and down all
the time..

Bob G.

"Bob G." wrote:

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:31:12 -0500, "boubou"
wrote:

Time for me to call the builder about the water heater,
I got nervous about it.
Should I put a LP water heater in basement or go we electric???
I'd rather go the safe route, I'm nervous about the pilot light.
How about putting a safety shut off valve AND a propane gas detector??

============
I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill...

I agree...

Millions of famlies use Propane to heat their homes..
I can not recall seeing any stories in the local paper or on the
nightly TV news braodcast concerning houses exploding etc

In general, that's true but there were two here in the last two weeks
plus the one last year that led to a new home on whatever is the name of
that silly ABC show where they create these monstrosities for folks to
have to deal w/ when they're done and gone...

Just like w/ NG you have to be sure you don't have a leak and if you
smell anything at all, _don't_ ignore it which apparently at least one
of the above did.

I heat my hoime with electricity but I heat my shop with Propane..
its a non issue except for the price...propane goes up and down all
the time..

But, like all fossil energy products, it's going to continue to rise in
general.

boubou wrote:

about the delivery of NG in ontario:
here's an example of my NG bill for october
gas @ 29.9
transportation to union gas @ 3.3687
transportation to union gas (again????) @ 2.8987
storage @ 2.8308
storage @ 2.7642
delivery to you@ 8.53
monthly charge @ 8.5338

soooooooooo
my monthly $$$ for the gas alone at 29.9 cents is $28.94
all the other costs: $ 27.85
total of :$56.79 for 96.796 gas used m3/
anyone good at math to convert this to LP?

This IS Natural gas

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
...
boubou wrote:

We are moving to the country, no NG, so we have to go with propane. I
probably would have choosen oil if I could have but the house we got is
propane.
I wondered about the safety of LP.

Essentially the same as NG--only real difference is heavier than air
rather than lighter so it will settle. Consequently, no water heaters,
etc., in basements.

The BTU for LP being lower than NG, with NG going up all the time, would
you
say LP prices are similar?

LP is derived from NG so they're tied at the waist, so to speak...

considering all the extra charges of NG like : delivery to you, storage,
monthly fee etc....these prices are probably not reflected with LP so
we'd
think the price would be cheaper.

Seems like you've got this backwards--NG is the one on pipeline
distribution systems, LPG is truck delivery. You're right, these are
some cost items.

Didn't notice that you mentioned you were Canadian--that's a different
pricing arrangement than in the US for NG.

Greg O wrote:

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
...
boubou wrote:


Essentially the same as NG--only real difference is heavier than air
rather than lighter so it will settle. Consequently, no water heaters,
etc., in basements.



No appliances in the basement? What am I missing?
I see, and install LP furnaces, boilers, and water heaters in basements all
the time. Absolutely normal operation around here.
Greg

Not around here for LP...NG, yes. Whether there's an actual code
restriction I can't say but it is common practice. We've always had the
NG tap off the main pipeline that runs across the pasture so never used
LP for anything except tractor fuel back in the 60s/70s so I was just
reporting what I observe w/ those who do use LP.

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:57:55 -0500, "boubou"
wrote:

We are moving to the country, no NG, so we have to go with propane. I
probably would have choosen oil if I could have but the house we got is
propane.
I wondered about the safety of LP.
The BTU for LP being lower than NG, with NG going up all the time, would you
say LP prices are similar?
considering all the extra charges of NG like : delivery to you, storage,
monthly fee etc....these prices are probably not reflected with LP so we'd
think the price would be cheaper.


First, you got LP and NG reversed.......

Just a few tips

Buy your own propane tank so you are not at the mercy of the same
company, because if you rent their tank, you're stuck with them.

Use decent pipe and your propane is as safe as natural gas. For some
reason, people tend to use copper tubing for their range connection.
DONT DO IT. Get a flex pipe. (I learned this when I moved my range
and the copper tube broke.

I think the BTU is about the same, but I am not positive.

Presently, oil is more expensive than LP

Do NOT let your LP tank go empty. The LP companies require an
inspection, and they insist on lighting your pilot lights if your tank
gets empty. Around here, they charge $50 to do that. They will NOT
fill your tank without doing it. Some assenine law, that gives these
companies permission to rob you. (The last time I was almost empty, I
swapped my pipe to a 100lb tank that I own, just to keep enough gas in
the tank to hold a pilot light in my furnace, because I'll be damned
if I am going to pay $50 for them to look at my pipes for 30 seconds
and light the pilot in my furnace.

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:57:55 -0500, "boubou"
wrote:

We are moving to the country, no NG, so we have to go with propane. I
probably would have choosen oil if I could have but the house we got is
propane.
I wondered about the safety of LP.
The BTU for LP being lower than NG, with NG going up all the time, would you
say LP prices are similar?
considering all the extra charges of NG like : delivery to you, storage,
monthly fee etc....these prices are probably not reflected with LP so we'd
think the price would be cheaper.


Definitely more expensive than ng. Delivery trucks and terminals cost
money . One advantage is that if you get a big enough tank you can
avoid fall and winter price spikes. Many sellers also offer contract
pricing which can help as well.

As far as safety goes, most of the houses that blow up are ng houses.
Propane settles, which could be a problem if you had a leak. If you
smell gas pay attention. I have never heard of a problem with water
heaters in basements, we have ours there.

On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:27:55 GMT, Chris Hill
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:57:55 -0500, "boubou"
wrote:

We are moving to the country, no NG, so we have to go with propane. I
probably would have choosen oil if I could have but the house we got is
propane.
I wondered about the safety of LP.
The BTU for LP being lower than NG, with NG going up all the time, would you
say LP prices are similar?
considering all the extra charges of NG like : delivery to you, storage,
monthly fee etc....these prices are probably not reflected with LP so we'd
think the price would be cheaper.


Definitely more expensive than ng. Delivery trucks and terminals cost
money . One advantage is that if you get a big enough tank you can
avoid fall and winter price spikes. Many sellers also offer contract
pricing which can help as well.

As far as safety goes, most of the houses that blow up are ng houses.
Propane settles, which could be a problem if you had a leak. If you
smell gas pay attention. I have never heard of a problem with water
heaters in basements, we have ours there.


What's a ng house?

Propane settles for apx 50-60$ Nighthawk has a digital read out Co -Ng
detector, check to see if it will work with propane, but it should.
Mount it at the floor incase of any leak.

Of course its more expensive its a by product and is trucked to you.

wrote in message
What's a ng house?


Natural Gas.

Millions of homes have it, but every year there seems to be one house that
burns down from it. Every fuel has potential safety issues and every year
at least one house is destroyed by a faulty heater, no matter what the fuel.

Would I be able to hear the gas alarm from a 2 nd story? How loud are these
things? Can they be wired to a home security pannel?

"m Ransley" wrote in message
...
Propane settles for apx 50-60$ Nighthawk has a digital read out Co -Ng
detector, check to see if it will work with propane, but it should.
Mount it at the floor incase of any leak.

Of course its more expensive its a by product and is trucked to you.

A smoke alarm is loud , try yours in the basement, many alarm companies
offer auxilary alarms, water, Ng, Co, etc . but im sure you could esily
buy a gas detector and wire it yourself, remember for propane, put it at
the floor, or where instructions say.

How do I put it at the floor?
is this plugged into an electrical outlet? if so, would it be low enough?
if not low enough? do these alarm come in battery ?

"m Ransley" wrote in message
...
A smoke alarm is loud , try yours in the basement, many alarm companies
offer auxilary alarms, water, Ng, Co, etc . but im sure you could esily
buy a gas detector and wire it yourself, remember for propane, put it at
the floor, or where instructions say.

Im sure an extension cord would work.

Duane Bozarth wrote:
boubou wrote:

We are moving to the country, no NG, so we have to go with propane. I
probably would have choosen oil if I could have but the house we got is
propane.
I wondered about the safety of LP.


Essentially the same as NG--only real difference is heavier than air
rather than lighter so it will settle. Consequently, no water heaters,
etc., in basements.


The BTU for LP being lower than NG, with NG going up all the time, would you
say LP prices are similar?


LP is derived from NG so they're tied at the waist, so to speak..



LP is derived from petroleum.





considering all the extra charges of NG like : delivery to you, storage,
monthly fee etc....these prices are probably not reflected with LP so we'd
think the price would be cheaper.


Seems like you've got this backwards--NG is the one on pipeline
distribution systems, LPG is truck delivery. You're right, these are
some cost items.

extension cord for the gas monitor? Very clever!
thanks!
"m Ransley" wrote in message
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Im sure an extension cord would work.