Hi;

I am in the US Army stationed in Korea. I have a House in Virginia that
I am renting out. The AC compressor went out. And I am being quoted
1600 dollars to replace the compressor. I purchased the house in 1993,
and replaced the compressor in 94 or 95. The AC Unit is probably 20 or
more years old. I am trying to decide whether to repair the unit at
1600 or to install a brand new model with better efficiency. In another
year and a half, I will be moving back into the home and will live
there indefinitely. I would like to replace the unit in the off season
and is there a month that would be best for me to replace it? Please
provide me with some recommendations, specific name brand and model
numbers with pricing if known. Also, should I get a manual J done?

Thanks for any help
Pat

From the money point of view, if you were going to keep it a rental, I would
say repair it.

But since you are going to live there, get a new AC and get the most
efficient you can swing. You will be glad you did when the electric bills
show up. And get several estimates if possible.

"komobu" wrote in message
I will be moving back into the home and will live
there indefinitely.

In that case, I'd replace. Thanks for serving in our Military and making
our country safer.

Hope they send you all to Iraq u baby killing sons of bitches and whores.
May americas war crimes be repaid by its citizens a million-fold.
Thank you for killing innocents on behalf of oil companies and republican
CEO theives.
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
"komobu" wrote in message
I will be moving back into the home and will live
there indefinitely.

In that case, I'd replace. Thanks for serving in our Military and making
our country safer.

"Support Your Cowardly Troops!!!" wrote in message
.. .
Hope they send you all to Iraq u baby killing sons of bitches and whores.
May americas war crimes be repaid by its citizens a million-fold.
Thank you for killing innocents on behalf of oil companies and republican
CEO theives.

I wish they'd kill some more babies so gas and heating oil prices drop some
more.....

You need to get back on your medicines....


"Support Your Cowardly Troops!!!" wrote in message
.. .
Hope they send you all to Iraq u baby killing sons of bitches and whores.
May americas war crimes be repaid by its citizens a million-fold.
Thank you for killing innocents on behalf of oil companies and republican
CEO theives.
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
"komobu" wrote in message
I will be moving back into the home and will live
there indefinitely.

In that case, I'd replace. Thanks for serving in our Military and
making
our country safer.

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:37:40 -0500, "Support Your Cowardly Troops!!!"
wrote:

Hope they send you all to Iraq u baby killing sons of bitches and whores.
May americas war crimes be repaid by its citizens a million-fold.
Thank you for killing innocents on behalf of oil companies and republican
CEO theives.

========= No words that I can say that would convey how I really feel
about the reply above...and about my feelings toward the poster...

What an Idiot...is the mildest I can do right now!

Bob G.

"Bob G." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:37:40 -0500, "Support Your Cowardly Troops!!!"
wrote:

Hope they send you all to Iraq u baby killing sons of bitches and whores.
May americas war crimes be repaid by its citizens a million-fold.
Thank you for killing innocents on behalf of oil companies and republican
CEO theives.

========= No words that I can say that would convey how I really feel
about the reply above...and about my feelings toward the poster...

What an Idiot...is the mildest I can do right now!


Best example I have seen of a "Troll". They post stuff just to get people
****ed off. Then he sits at his computer with his pants around his ankles
waiting for replies.

A lot of sad people in this world. Best to ignore them.....

"komobu" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi;

I am in the US Army stationed in Korea. I have a House in Virginia that
I am renting out. The AC compressor went out. And I am being quoted
1600 dollars to replace the compressor. I purchased the house in 1993,
and replaced the compressor in 94 or 95. The AC Unit is probably 20 or
more years old. I am trying to decide whether to repair the unit at
1600 or to install a brand new model with better efficiency. In another
year and a half, I will be moving back into the home and will live
there indefinitely. I would like to replace the unit in the off season
and is there a month that would be best for me to replace it? Please
provide me with some recommendations, specific name brand and model
numbers with pricing if known. Also, should I get a manual J done?

Thanks for any help
Pat


Hi, we are in N.C., and replaced our whole unit a couple years ago. Can't
recall if it's been two summers now or three, but we noticed a huge savings
on our electric bill the first summer. The new unit saved us at the very
least 1/3 off our summer cooling bills per month, most times closer to 1/2.
My husband said this new unit will have paid for itself in less than 5 years
time, in the savings off our cooling bills. With the old unit, some of
electric bills in the summer time were approaching $400, after the new unit,
we never had a bill that even neared the $300 mark, and I'm talking hot and
humid summer. If you'd like, I can ask my husband the name of the unit we
had installed? I know it was an off-brand model of a name brand. The guy
we had install it said 'it was made by the same company, same unit, etc. but
less expensive than the name brand.

Hope this helps.

td

"tiny dancer" wrote in message
.. .

"komobu" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi;

I am in the US Army stationed in Korea. I have a House in Virginia that
I am renting out. The AC compressor went out. And I am being quoted
1600 dollars to replace the compressor. I purchased the house in 1993,
and replaced the compressor in 94 or 95. The AC Unit is probably 20 or
more years old. I am trying to decide whether to repair the unit at
1600 or to install a brand new model with better efficiency. In another
year and a half, I will be moving back into the home and will live
there indefinitely. I would like to replace the unit in the off season
and is there a month that would be best for me to replace it? Please
provide me with some recommendations, specific name brand and model
numbers with pricing if known. Also, should I get a manual J done?

Thanks for any help
Pat


Hi, we are in N.C., and replaced our whole unit a couple years ago. Can't
recall if it's been two summers now or three, but we noticed a huge
savings
on our electric bill the first summer. The new unit saved us at the very
least 1/3 off our summer cooling bills per month, most times closer to
1/2.
My husband said this new unit will have paid for itself in less than 5
years
time, in the savings off our cooling bills. With the old unit, some of
electric bills in the summer time were approaching $400, after the new
unit,
we never had a bill that even neared the $300 mark, and I'm talking hot
and
humid summer. If you'd like, I can ask my husband the name of the unit we
had installed? I know it was an off-brand model of a name brand. The guy
we had install it said 'it was made by the same company, same unit, etc.
but
less expensive than the name brand.

Hope this helps.

You have some good points, but i want to clarify a few things:

Brand name does not really matter. 90% of the job is who and how they
install it. You can get a top-of-the-line unit and have it installed by some
fly-by-night "hack" and then you end up with nothing but trouble. A/Cs and
heatpumps have improved (efficiency-wise) quite a bit in the past 20 years.
What was considered "high efficiency" back in 1988 is now considered the
least efficient and will soon not be available due to new government
standards. You have to remember though: Just changing the outdoor unit can
help, but you are not going to get very good efficiency using the old
evaporator coil. You may even DEcrease the SEER rating. In other words, if
you install a 13 SEER outdoor unit (which will be the minimum requirement at
the end of this year. You don't HAVE to have one, it's just that
manufacturers will not make them any longer) and you keep the old evaporator
coil, you may get an actual 11 SEER rating or possibly lower.

In any case, get a least 3 quotes (not estimates) from companies that your
friends and neighbors know. See who they have used and who they are happy
with and you can't go wrong.....
Do yourself a favor: Replace the entire system. Outdoor unit, lineset,
eveaporator coil, the works. You'll save money in the long run and have less
problems down the road..

Dr. Hardcrab wrote:

"tiny dancer" wrote in message
.. .

"komobu" wrote in message
groups.com...

Hi;

I am in the US Army stationed in Korea. I have a House in Virginia that
I am renting out. The AC compressor went out. And I am being quoted
1600 dollars to replace the compressor. I purchased the house in 1993,
and replaced the compressor in 94 or 95. The AC Unit is probably 20 or
more years old. I am trying to decide whether to repair the unit at
1600 or to install a brand new model with better efficiency. In another
year and a half, I will be moving back into the home and will live
there indefinitely. I would like to replace the unit in the off season
and is there a month that would be best for me to replace it? Please
provide me with some recommendations, specific name brand and model
numbers with pricing if known. Also, should I get a manual J done?

Thanks for any help
Pat


Hi, we are in N.C., and replaced our whole unit a couple years ago. Can't
recall if it's been two summers now or three, but we noticed a huge
savings
on our electric bill the first summer. The new unit saved us at the very
least 1/3 off our summer cooling bills per month, most times closer to
1/2.
My husband said this new unit will have paid for itself in less than 5
years
time, in the savings off our cooling bills. With the old unit, some of
electric bills in the summer time were approaching $400, after the new
unit,
we never had a bill that even neared the $300 mark, and I'm talking hot
and
humid summer. If you'd like, I can ask my husband the name of the unit we
had installed? I know it was an off-brand model of a name brand. The guy
we had install it said 'it was made by the same company, same unit, etc.
but
less expensive than the name brand.

Hope this helps.


You have some good points, but i want to clarify a few things:

Brand name does not really matter. 90% of the job is who and how they
install it. You can get a top-of-the-line unit and have it installed by some
fly-by-night "hack" and then you end up with nothing but trouble. A/Cs and
heatpumps have improved (efficiency-wise) quite a bit in the past 20 years.
What was considered "high efficiency" back in 1988 is now considered the
least efficient and will soon not be available due to new government
standards. You have to remember though: Just changing the outdoor unit can
help, but you are not going to get very good efficiency using the old
evaporator coil. You may even DEcrease the SEER rating. In other words, if
you install a 13 SEER outdoor unit (which will be the minimum requirement at
the end of this year. You don't HAVE to have one, it's just that
manufacturers will not make them any longer) and you keep the old evaporator
coil, you may get an actual 11 SEER rating or possibly lower.

In any case, get a least 3 quotes (not estimates) from companies that your
friends and neighbors know. See who they have used and who they are happy
with and you can't go wrong.....
Do yourself a favor: Replace the entire system. Outdoor unit, lineset,
eveaporator coil, the works. You'll save money in the long run and have less
problems down the road..


I'm not convinced that replacing everything is necessarily the best
way to go. Of course you want it installed right. But the rest is
economics. It might be MUCH cheaper to simply replace the compressor
unit -- so much so that the additional electricity saving from going
all the way won't justify the additional cost.

In my experience, the greatest savings (assuming a working unit of
reasonable efficiency) come from making sure the ductwork is in good
condition so you don't leak half of your cooled air.

--
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minimize spam. Our true address is of the form .

"CJT" wrote

I'm not convinced that replacing everything is necessarily the best
way to go. Of course you want it installed right. But the rest is
economics. It might be MUCH cheaper to simply replace the compressor
unit -- so much so that the additional electricity saving from going
all the way won't justify the additional cost.

In my experience, the greatest savings (assuming a working unit of
reasonable efficiency) come from making sure the ductwork is in good
condition so you don't leak half of your cooled air.

Again, it depends. If you use A/C a couple months out of the year, then you
could get by with just replacing the outdoor unit. If you can see what a 20
year old coil looks like, you can see some of the "physical" differences of
the improvements made to the new, high efficiency ones. One thing is the
size. More efficient ones have more surface area. An old 3 ton coil may be
12 inches high wher a newer one can be 20-some inches high. Another thing is
the metering device. Old ones used pistons where newer ones have expansion
valves. Not ALL new coils, but most. And, depending on the size, installer,
how much of a pain it is to change, sheet metal involved, adding a new
evaporator coil and new line set can be as low as an additional $500. Sure,
that's not pocket change, but if changing out the entire system can save you
50 bucks a month on your electric bill, it may pay to do it. Especially if
your cooling season is 5 or 6 months long. If you have a heat pump, forget
it. You'd be crazy just to change the outdoor unit......

"CJT" wrote in message
...
Dr. Hardcrab wrote:

"tiny dancer" wrote in message
.. .

"komobu" wrote in message
egroups.com...

Hi;

I am in the US Army stationed in Korea. I have a House in Virginia that
I am renting out. The AC compressor went out. And I am being quoted
1600 dollars to replace the compressor. I purchased the house in 1993,
and replaced the compressor in 94 or 95. The AC Unit is probably 20 or
more years old. I am trying to decide whether to repair the unit at
1600 or to install a brand new model with better efficiency. In another
year and a half, I will be moving back into the home and will live
there indefinitely. I would like to replace the unit in the off season
and is there a month that would be best for me to replace it? Please
provide me with some recommendations, specific name brand and model
numbers with pricing if known. Also, should I get a manual J done?

Thanks for any help
Pat


Hi, we are in N.C., and replaced our whole unit a couple years ago.
Can't
recall if it's been two summers now or three, but we noticed a huge
savings
on our electric bill the first summer. The new unit saved us at the very
least 1/3 off our summer cooling bills per month, most times closer to
1/2.
My husband said this new unit will have paid for itself in less than 5
years
time, in the savings off our cooling bills. With the old unit, some of
electric bills in the summer time were approaching $400, after the new
unit,
we never had a bill that even neared the $300 mark, and I'm talking hot
and
humid summer. If you'd like, I can ask my husband the name of the unit
we
had installed? I know it was an off-brand model of a name brand. The
guy
we had install it said 'it was made by the same company, same unit, etc.
but
less expensive than the name brand.

Hope this helps.


You have some good points, but i want to clarify a few things:

Brand name does not really matter. 90% of the job is who and how they
install it. You can get a top-of-the-line unit and have it installed by
some fly-by-night "hack" and then you end up with nothing but trouble.
A/Cs and heatpumps have improved (efficiency-wise) quite a bit in the
past 20 years. What was considered "high efficiency" back in 1988 is now
considered the least efficient and will soon not be available due to new
government standards. You have to remember though: Just changing the
outdoor unit can help, but you are not going to get very good efficiency
using the old evaporator coil. You may even DEcrease the SEER rating. In
other words, if you install a 13 SEER outdoor unit (which will be the
minimum requirement at the end of this year. You don't HAVE to have one,
it's just that manufacturers will not make them any longer) and you keep
the old evaporator coil, you may get an actual 11 SEER rating or possibly
lower.

In any case, get a least 3 quotes (not estimates) from companies that
your friends and neighbors know. See who they have used and who they are
happy with and you can't go wrong.....
Do yourself a favor: Replace the entire system. Outdoor unit, lineset,
eveaporator coil, the works. You'll save money in the long run and have
less problems down the road..
I'm not convinced that replacing everything is necessarily the best
way to go. Of course you want it installed right. But the rest is
economics. It might be MUCH cheaper to simply replace the compressor
unit -- so much so that the additional electricity saving from going
all the way won't justify the additional cost.

As of Jan 1, 2006, the ONLY way to get what you pay for, is to go with a
matched condensor and evap coil, provided that the company that you are
dealing with cant get a 10, or 12 SEER unit....13 SEER is a new ball game
when it comes to retrofits.
Bad thing is, with the higher SEERS, sometimes you need higher airflow, and
the ONLY way to get that, is to go with a VS furnace...so..yea..it can suck.
However, no legitimate AC company will replace just the outdoor unit, with a
high SEER, (13 and higher) if you have old 10SEER or lower evap coil....if
they do..they are just stealing your money, its that simple.


In my experience, the greatest savings (assuming a working unit of
reasonable efficiency) come from making sure the ductwork is in good
condition so you don't leak half of your cooled air.

Well, yes, and no.
Ductwork SIZED correctly for the unit, each rooms needed capacity, and
sealed is the way to go.
Bad thing is, most companies throw a trunk line in and ever take off is 6
inch....thats wrong.


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minimize spam. Our true address is of the form .

"komobu" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi;

I am in the US Army stationed in Korea. I have a House in Virginia that
I am renting out. The AC compressor went out. And I am being quoted
1600 dollars to replace the compressor. I purchased the house in 1993,
and replaced the compressor in 94 or 95. The AC Unit is probably 20 or
more years old. I am trying to decide whether to repair the unit at
1600 or to install a brand new model with better efficiency. In another
year and a half, I will be moving back into the home and will live
there indefinitely. I would like to replace the unit in the off season
and is there a month that would be best for me to replace it? Please
provide me with some recommendations, specific name brand and model
numbers with pricing if known. Also, should I get a manual J done?

Thanks for any help
Pat


First...thanks for what you are doing..even if it allows some ****ers like
that one that posted later to still breathe...

1600 for a compressor change out, depending on the size and brand of the
condensor, is not as high as it sounds...however, if its 3 ton or less, then
it can be quite high for this area..VA, NC, SC..just depends on how much the
compressor costs and the brand name on the unit...

I have been able may times to change out an entire unit for less than that,
and still make a profit, so, you might want to shop around...and if you do,
remember, name brands on the units today mean nothing, unless of course its
a Goodman..Goodman is STILL the cheapest POS on the market...and while it
will do the job, why install something that is prone to failure more often
than others, when you can get a better brand for less, or the same price and
have fewer issues with it.

"CBHVAC" wrote

"komobu" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi;

I am in the US Army stationed in Korea. I have a House in Virginia that
I am renting out. The AC compressor went out. And I am being quoted
1600 dollars to replace the compressor. I purchased the house in 1993,
and replaced the compressor in 94 or 95. The AC Unit is probably 20 or
more years old. I am trying to decide whether to repair the unit at
1600 or to install a brand new model with better efficiency. In another
year and a half, I will be moving back into the home and will live
there indefinitely. I would like to replace the unit in the off season
and is there a month that would be best for me to replace it? Please
provide me with some recommendations, specific name brand and model
numbers with pricing if known. Also, should I get a manual J done?

Thanks for any help
Pat


First...thanks for what you are doing..even if it allows some ****ers like
that one that posted later to still breathe...

1600 for a compressor change out, depending on the size and brand of the
condensor, is not as high as it sounds...however, if its 3 ton or less,
then it can be quite high for this area..VA, NC, SC..just depends on how
much the compressor costs and the brand name on the unit...

Another thing: You change a compressor only, you get 1 year warranty. If you
change the entire unit, you (sometimes) get 10 years. Depends on the
manufacturer. Some will not give the 10 years unless you change the
evaporator coil too.


I have been able may times to change out an entire unit for less than
that, and still make a profit, so, you might want to shop around...and if
you do, remember, name brands on the units today mean nothing, unless of
course its a Goodman..

or a York.

;-]

(I kid)

"Dr. Hardcrab" wrote in message
news:GYohf.8777$Tr3.7465@trnddc08...

"CBHVAC" wrote

"komobu" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi;

I am in the US Army stationed in Korea. I have a House in Virginia that
I am renting out. The AC compressor went out. And I am being quoted
1600 dollars to replace the compressor. I purchased the house in 1993,
and replaced the compressor in 94 or 95. The AC Unit is probably 20 or
more years old. I am trying to decide whether to repair the unit at
1600 or to install a brand new model with better efficiency. In another
year and a half, I will be moving back into the home and will live
there indefinitely. I would like to replace the unit in the off season
and is there a month that would be best for me to replace it? Please
provide me with some recommendations, specific name brand and model
numbers with pricing if known. Also, should I get a manual J done?

Thanks for any help
Pat


First...thanks for what you are doing..even if it allows some ****ers
like that one that posted later to still breathe...

1600 for a compressor change out, depending on the size and brand of the
condensor, is not as high as it sounds...however, if its 3 ton or less,
then it can be quite high for this area..VA, NC, SC..just depends on how
much the compressor costs and the brand name on the unit...

Another thing: You change a compressor only, you get 1 year warranty. If
you change the entire unit, you (sometimes) get 10 years. Depends on the
manufacturer. Some will not give the 10 years unless you change the
evaporator coil too.


I have been able may times to change out an entire unit for less than
that, and still make a profit, so, you might want to shop around...and if
you do, remember, name brands on the units today mean nothing, unless of
course its a Goodman..

or a York.

;-]

(I kid)


Yea..I know...since Yorks giving lifetime warrantys now..LOL
seriously.

Funny..Goodman drops theirs...everyone else gets one...

"CBHVAC" wrote


Yea..I know...since Yorks giving lifetime warrantys now..LOL
seriously.

Funny..Goodman drops theirs...everyone else gets one...

Really? York does now? Why in the world did Goodman stop? That was about
their only selling poimt......

"Dr. Hardcrab" wrote in message
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"CBHVAC" wrote


Yea..I know...since Yorks giving lifetime warrantys now..LOL
seriously.

Funny..Goodman drops theirs...everyone else gets one...

Really? York does now? Why in the world did Goodman stop? That was about
their only selling poimt......


14 SEER and higher Affinitys, with a matching coil, gets a lifetime on the
compressor....good thing about that is, with the new ACC team covers (NOT
winter covers...unit grilles actually..you know the colored ones? Well, now
you can get Duke, UNC...Florida..etc...with the team logo on it) if the
grilles rust out, you can replace em with about anything you want..

Goodman stopped after their buyout with the new owners. The lifetime
warranty isnt automatic now, and they are hardcore on the "if you bought it,
not licenced, or in the trade and can prove it, or bought it over the
internet" there isnt a bit of warranty on the unit.
Have to go back and look, but its gone bro.

CBHVAC wrote:

"komobu" wrote in message
roups.com...



First...thanks for what you are doing..even if it allows some ****ers like
that one that posted later to still breathe...

1600 for a compressor change out, depending on the size and brand of the
condensor, is not as high as it sounds...however, if its 3 ton or less, then
it can be quite high for this area..VA, NC, SC..just depends on how much the
compressor costs and the brand name on the unit...

I have been able may times to change out an entire unit for less than that,
and still make a profit, so, you might want to shop around...and if you do,
remember, name brands on the units today mean nothing, unless of course its
a Goodman..Goodman is STILL the cheapest POS on the market...and while it
will do the job, why install something that is prone to failure more often
than others, when you can get a better brand for less, or the same price and
have fewer issues with it.


"name brands on the units today mean nothing, unless of course its a
Goodman. Goodman is STILL the cheapest POS on the market..."

.... unless of course it is a Goodman, huh.

I have NO connection whatever to the Goodman Company.
However, I am willing to bet anyone, that the new Goodman 13-SEER or
higher unit "installed properly" will NOT fail more than other condenser
brands' no matter how much you pay for them!

Never knock another brand unless you can prove that their equipment will
fail more often "when properly installed" than the other brands!
What you pay for equipment does NOT determine the failure rate of the
equipment; I have seen high priced equipment fail early and repeatedly!

Get a TXV metering device on the evaporator coil and a Copeland Scroll
compressor.

First, get a "Energy Conservation Audit done, and then after reducing
the heat-gain/heat-loss, get a manual J done.

- udarrell

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"udarrell" wrote

I have NO connection whatever to the Goodman Company.
However, I am willing to bet anyone, that the new Goodman 13-SEER or
higher unit "installed properly" will NOT fail more than other condenser
brands' no matter how much you pay for them. Never knock another brand
unless you can prove that their equipment will fail more often "when
properly installed" than the other brands!
What you pay for equipment does NOT determine the failure rate of the
equipment; I have seen high priced equipment fail early and repeatedly!

Darrell, I mean no offence by the following, but......

You may have "no connection whatever to the Goodman Company", but from your
response, I bet that 70% of the units you DO install are Goodmans.

Not saying anything is wrong with that. Goodman got the bad reputation
because they used to sell unit to ANYONE off the street. That's why every
time I get called out on a service call on a Goodman, the compressor has
crapped out within the first two years. Why? Because "Joe Blow" installed it
because "he knows how to solder a pipe" and doesn't use any kind of proper
procedure to install it. Not even, at the least, a vacuum pump. How can you
tell? Because there is not even a liquid line filter/drier installed and
PLUMMER'S SOLDER was used (trust me, You can tell).

Let's say someone that knows what they are doing and they do a proper
installation. Most Goodmans STILL look like they went through a war by the
time they are 2 years old! Cabinet faded to a light beige (when they started
out brown), condenser fan motor has a nice color of RUST (and I mean big,
flaky RUST!), fan blade looks like it's about ready to fall apart. Sorry,
but that is nothing I want to sell to a customer! Carrier used to be the
same way. The grill would rust out in no time and God blessed you if it went
more than 2 years without developing a leak in the condensor coil! They have
since improved. What about Goodman?

Now I can't say anything about Goodman's "new" line. I have been told that
the 13 SEER and above have completely different cabinets and they hold up a
lot better, but I just worked on a 14 SEER unit and, well, it looked like a
piece of sh*t! I don't know. Maybe that was just a fluke or an OLD 14 SEER,
but I am not going to run out and switch brands. Mainly because the
distribution center is 2 hours away. Other people in the business are going
to have to convince me that they are a product I can trust. And don't give
me that line of "well they have sold more units than all the other brands
combine" or whatever their sales pitch is. Maybe they were, but how many of
those lasted more than 4 years? Plus, when Joe Blow and Harry Homeowner can
come off the street and buy them, well, I guess sales are/were good.



Get a TXV metering device on the evaporator coil and a Copeland Scroll
compressor.

That was the point I was making before about getting an efficient model. No
sense of putting a 14 SEER condensing unit with an old 8 SEER, piston-type
evaporator coil. A lot of customers think you are just tacking on some extra
bucks to the job ("Just the outside unit is bad! I don't need to change the
inside coil!"), but they really DO save in the end.


First, get a "Energy Conservation Audit done, and then after reducing the
heat-gain/heat-loss, get a manual J done.

Amen....


- udarrell

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"udarrell" wrote in message
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CBHVAC wrote:

"komobu" wrote in message
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First...thanks for what you are doing..even if it allows some ****ers like
that one that posted later to still breathe...

1600 for a compressor change out, depending on the size and brand of the
condensor, is not as high as it sounds...however, if its 3 ton or less,
then it can be quite high for this area..VA, NC, SC..just depends on how
much the compressor costs and the brand name on the unit...

I have been able may times to change out an entire unit for less than
that, and still make a profit, so, you might want to shop around...and if
you do, remember, name brands on the units today mean nothing, unless of
course its a Goodman..Goodman is STILL the cheapest POS on the
market...and while it will do the job, why install something that is prone
to failure more often than others, when you can get a better brand for
less, or the same price and have fewer issues with it.

"name brands on the units today mean nothing, unless of course its a
Goodman. Goodman is STILL the cheapest POS on the market..."

... unless of course it is a Goodman, huh.

I have NO connection whatever to the Goodman Company.
However, I am willing to bet anyone, that the new Goodman 13-SEER or
higher unit "installed properly" will NOT fail more than other condenser
brands' no matter how much you pay for them!

Never knock another brand unless you can prove that their equipment will
fail more often "when properly installed" than the other brands!
What you pay for equipment does NOT determine the failure rate of the
equipment; I have seen high priced equipment fail early and repeatedly!

So what I should have said was..according to you..

I make most of my money repairing Goodman units that have been installed by
reputable companies when the homeower balked at the price of a Carrier, or
other name unit.
I keep more repair parts on all our vans for Goodman units than all other
units combined.
I have replaced personally more Goodman units due to rusted out cabnets than
all other units.
I order more parts for Goodman units than all other brands and can prove
it...

Is that what you are saying?

Face it..Goodman, is a cheap POS that works, but also keeps legit companies
in business...
Personally, I wont sell one, not when I can install a name brand unit for
less than most around here charge for a Goodman that didnt cost half of what
a better unit does.

Also, I have seen higher priced units fail..Nothing is perfect, nor will it
be. But when you have a known track record for failure..and its the SAME
failure over and over and over again, and the parent company refuses to
address it, and recall it, or repair it for free for the effected
homeowners..yea..im gonna knock the hell out of it.
Goodman, in that regard..SUCKS.



Get a TXV metering device on the evaporator coil and a Copeland Scroll
compressor.

Or, better yet, a VS Copeland Scroll...


First, get a "Energy Conservation Audit done, and then after reducing the
heat-gain/heat-loss, get a manual J done.

- udarrell

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PROPER A/C UNIT & DUCT SIZING ESSENTIAL for EFFICIENCY & BTUH PERFORMANCE
http://www.udarrell.com/proper_cfm_b...syste ms.html

this is Turtle.

If the $1600 is for just a Compressor , You need to check out another
price. If it is the whole outside unit, it might be in range.

In the 10 seer the goodman, Luxaire, York, Hiel, Arcoaire, and
Frigidaire are not real good equipment. now if you go to the 12 or the
13 seer units. the story changes to fair stuff.

TURTLE