Does anyone have any experience with the item found at this web site:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?p=WX2&i=86576

It's called a Vertex Ergonomic Snow Shovel. It is essentially a small
snow plow on wheels.
I'm thinking of getting it. I live near Buffalo, NY and we get quite a
bit of snow.

Also, what about this stuff:

http://www.brookstone.com/shop/produ...cm_ite=Keyword

It's Brookstone Bare Ground System. You're supposed to spray it on
your driveway and it stops 3 to 4 inches of snow from sticking. Then
what? Do you spray more on to stop more snow from sticking? Can this
stuff really work?

Anyone with experience with these two things?

Thanks!

Lesley

The Brookstone liquid is probably urea fertizilizer solution. Save your
money.

Having lived in Rochester NY myself, regarding the shovel, save your money
and move. My wife and her whole family got out of Buffalo 15 or so years
ago and never looked back.


"Lesley" wrote in message
oups.com...
Does anyone have any experience with the item found at this web site:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?p=WX2&i=86576

It's called a Vertex Ergonomic Snow Shovel. It is essentially a small
snow plow on wheels.
I'm thinking of getting it. I live near Buffalo, NY and we get quite a
bit of snow.

Also, what about this stuff:

http://www.brookstone.com/shop/produ...cm_ite=Keyword

It's Brookstone Bare Ground System. You're supposed to spray it on
your driveway and it stops 3 to 4 inches of snow from sticking. Then
what? Do you spray more on to stop more snow from sticking? Can this
stuff really work?

Anyone with experience with these two things?

Thanks!

Lesley

There is no shovel, no matter what it looks like, that can compare to even a cheap snow blower - 7-8 hp, a 24 inch blade, and a 2 stage impeller.

Spray on snow stopper - give your head a shake. G

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"Lesley" wrote in message oups.com...
| Does anyone have any experience with the item found at this web site:
|
| http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?p=WX2&i=86576
|
| It's called a Vertex Ergonomic Snow Shovel. It is essentially a small
| snow plow on wheels.
| I'm thinking of getting it. I live near Buffalo, NY and we get quite a
| bit of snow.
|
| Also, what about this stuff:
|
| http://www.brookstone.com/shop/produ...cm_ite=Keyword
|
| It's Brookstone Bare Ground System. You're supposed to spray it on
| your driveway and it stops 3 to 4 inches of snow from sticking. Then
| what? Do you spray more on to stop more snow from sticking? Can this
| stuff really work?
|
| Anyone with experience with these two things?
|
| Thanks!
|
| Lesley
|

Lesley wrote:
Does anyone have any experience with the item found at this web site:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?p=WX2&i=86576

It's called a Vertex Ergonomic Snow Shovel. It is essentially a small
snow plow on wheels.
I'm thinking of getting it. I live near Buffalo, NY and we get quite
a bit of snow.

No one has experience with it as this is the first year it has been on
the market. They make some nice claims for it indicating that it is
possible for people who might not otherwise be able to shovel a drive to do
so. Only time will tell. I am skeptical.


Also, what about this stuff:

http://www.brookstone.com/shop/produ...cm_ite=Keyword

It's Brookstone Bare Ground System. You're supposed to spray it on
your driveway and it stops 3 to 4 inches of snow from sticking. Then
what? Do you spray more on to stop more snow from sticking? Can this
stuff really work?

It is likely as noted fertilizer repackaged and sold for 10 times the
original price.


Anyone with experience with these two things?

Thanks!

Lesley

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

"Lesley" wrote in message
oups.com...
Does anyone have any experience with the item found at this web site:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?p=WX2&i=86576

It's called a Vertex Ergonomic Snow Shovel. It is essentially a small
snow plow on wheels.
I'm thinking of getting it. I live near Buffalo, NY and we get quite a
bit of snow.

If you have a couple inches of powder, that looks like it would do a great
job. But then so would anything else.
I seriously doubt you could get it to move with 4" of wet snow.
BTW, you don't shovel snow, you push it.
Get a snow pusher. Make one run down the driveway and then push on either
side towards the sides. At the end you might have to break out the snow
shovel.
If it is snowing steadily, go out every few hours. It is much easier to do
3" 3 times then try to deal with 9".
However, I will second the recommendation of a snow blower. Unless you are
on a very tight budget, don't bother with a small electric; they are not
much easier than a pusher. Get a medium sized gas; I got mine at Sears for
about $300 a couple years ago.

Also, what about this stuff:

http://www.brookstone.com/shop/produ...cm_ite=Keyword

It's Brookstone Bare Ground System. You're supposed to spray it on
your driveway and it stops 3 to 4 inches of snow from sticking. Then
what? Do you spray more on to stop more snow from sticking? Can this
stuff really work?

Wouldn't that be great if it worked! It would put all the snow plows out of
business.

I have to drive to Buffalo on Tuesday; sure hope that storm holds off.

It seems like an over-engineered version of the snow-pusher I use. Mine has
a normal shovel handle, but it's a 16" - 18" plow at the end. This is my
favorite manual snow mover. If you don't try more than 4" or so, it is the
easiest way to clear a driveway. I bought this years ago, and tried to find
a replacement last year. I don't know why, but they weren't available.

I'm not sure what the wheels get you, since the plow blade is good enough.
And I wonder about that handle.

But the absolute best for my 200-ft driveway is the plow guy. Last year was
a pretty big snow year for us and it cost me a little over $200. My
driveway was clear enough to drive out to work every morning and totally
clear when I got home from work. My 30-yr-old Ariens blower works great,
but it's still a bit of work. Nothing like cutting the lawn.

--Marc


Lesley wrote:

Does anyone have any experience with the item found at this web site:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?p=WX2&i=86576

It's called a Vertex Ergonomic Snow Shovel. It is essentially a small
snow plow on wheels.

--
--Marc

On 20-Nov-2005, "Lesley" wrote:

It's called a Vertex Ergonomic Snow Shovel. It is essentially a small
snow plow on wheels.

If the blade was bigger, you could use it to scoop and carry off snow.
However, with that blade, you can't do much except push. I was expecting
something closer to this with wheels. Sort of like a low-profile scooping
wheelbarrow :-)

http://www.snowscoop.com/ (BTW - no endorsement of this item.)


It's Brookstone Bare Ground System.

In the long run, a snowblower may be cheaper.

If you have a real problem with snow (We in Toronto are always amused
to see the snowstorms run south of Lakes Erie and Ontario) hire a
student to shovel - they still do that, don't they?

Mike

(We in Toronto are always amused
to see the snowstorms run south of Lakes Erie and Ontario)

Yes, but we are several degrees warmer and have much better skiing.
I am always amused when I go up the ski lift with Canadians (from as far
away as Windsor) cause I had a 20 minute drive.

Toller wrote:
"Lesley" wrote in message
oups.com...
Does anyone have any experience with the item found at this web site:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?p=WX2&i=86576

It's called a Vertex Ergonomic Snow Shovel. It is essentially a
small snow plow on wheels.
I'm thinking of getting it. I live near Buffalo, NY and we get
quite a bit of snow.

If you have a couple inches of powder, that looks like it would do a
great job. But then so would anything else.
I seriously doubt you could get it to move with 4" of wet snow.

It is designed for moving wet snow. How well it does it is yet to be
seen. I really question how well it will do.


BTW, you don't shovel snow, you push it.
Get a snow pusher. Make one run down the driveway and then push on
either side towards the sides. At the end you might have to break
out the snow shovel.
If it is snowing steadily, go out every few hours. It is much easier
to do 3" 3 times then try to deal with 9".
However, I will second the recommendation of a snow blower. Unless
you are on a very tight budget, don't bother with a small electric;
they are not much easier than a pusher. Get a medium sized gas; I
got mine at Sears for about $300 a couple years ago.

Also, what about this stuff:

http://www.brookstone.com/shop/produ...cm_ite=Keyword

It's Brookstone Bare Ground System. You're supposed to spray it on
your driveway and it stops 3 to 4 inches of snow from sticking. Then
what? Do you spray more on to stop more snow from sticking? Can
this stuff really work?

Wouldn't that be great if it worked! It would put all the snow plows
out of business.

I have to drive to Buffalo on Tuesday; sure hope that storm holds off.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

Michael Daly wrote:
On 20-Nov-2005, "Lesley" wrote:

It's called a Vertex Ergonomic Snow Shovel. It is essentially a
small snow plow on wheels.

If the blade was bigger, you could use it to scoop and carry off snow.
However, with that blade, you can't do much except push. I was
expecting something closer to this with wheels. Sort of like a
low-profile scooping wheelbarrow :-)

The claim is that as you push it forward, it moves to snow to the side.
I see some holes on the idea, but I have not actually seen the tools or
worked with it. I think I will stick with my small, but effective little
electric.



http://www.snowscoop.com/ (BTW - no endorsement of this item.)


It's Brookstone Bare Ground System.

In the long run, a snowblower may be cheaper.

If you have a real problem with snow (We in Toronto are always amused
to see the snowstorms run south of Lakes Erie and Ontario) hire a
student to shovel - they still do that, don't they?

Mike

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

Joseph Meehan wrote:
Michael Daly wrote:
On 20-Nov-2005, "Lesley" wrote:

It's called a Vertex Ergonomic Snow Shovel. It is essentially a
small snow plow on wheels.

If the blade was bigger, you could use it to scoop and carry off
snow. However, with that blade, you can't do much except push. I was
expecting something closer to this with wheels. Sort of like a
low-profile scooping wheelbarrow :-)

The claim is that as you push it forward, it moves to snow to the
side. I see some holes on the idea, but I have not actually seen the
tools or worked with it. I think I will stick with my small, but
effective little electric.

* Error * I had confused this one with another one of totally different
design. Sorry.





http://www.snowscoop.com/ (BTW - no endorsement of this item.)


It's Brookstone Bare Ground System.

In the long run, a snowblower may be cheaper.

If you have a real problem with snow (We in Toronto are always amused
to see the snowstorms run south of Lakes Erie and Ontario) hire a
student to shovel - they still do that, don't they?

Mike

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

Joseph Meehan wrote:
Toller wrote:
"Lesley" wrote in message
oups.com...
Does anyone have any experience with the item found at this web
site:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?p=WX2&i=86576

It's called a Vertex Ergonomic Snow Shovel. It is essentially a
small snow plow on wheels.
I'm thinking of getting it. I live near Buffalo, NY and we get
quite a bit of snow.

If you have a couple inches of powder, that looks like it would do a
great job. But then so would anything else.
I seriously doubt you could get it to move with 4" of wet snow.

It is designed for moving wet snow. How well it does it is yet to
be seen. I really question how well it will do.

* Error * I confused this one with another recently introduced shovel
system. Sorry.




BTW, you don't shovel snow, you push it.
Get a snow pusher. Make one run down the driveway and then push on
either side towards the sides. At the end you might have to break
out the snow shovel.
If it is snowing steadily, go out every few hours. It is much easier
to do 3" 3 times then try to deal with 9".
However, I will second the recommendation of a snow blower. Unless
you are on a very tight budget, don't bother with a small electric;
they are not much easier than a pusher. Get a medium sized gas; I
got mine at Sears for about $300 a couple years ago.

Also, what about this stuff:

http://www.brookstone.com/shop/produ...cm_ite=Keyword

It's Brookstone Bare Ground System. You're supposed to spray it on
your driveway and it stops 3 to 4 inches of snow from sticking. Then
what? Do you spray more on to stop more snow from sticking? Can this
stuff really work?

Wouldn't that be great if it worked! It would put all the snow plows
out of business.

I have to drive to Buffalo on Tuesday; sure hope that storm holds
off.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

Joseph Meehan wrote:
Lesley wrote:
Does anyone have any experience with the item found at this web site:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?p=WX2&i=86576

It's called a Vertex Ergonomic Snow Shovel. It is essentially a
small snow plow on wheels.
I'm thinking of getting it. I live near Buffalo, NY and we get quite
a bit of snow.

No one has experience with it as this is the first year it has
been on the market. They make some nice claims for it indicating
that it is possible for people who might not otherwise be able to
shovel a drive to do so. Only time will tell. I am skeptical.


* Error * I confused this one with another recently introduced shovel
system. Sorry.




Also, what about this stuff:

http://www.brookstone.com/shop/produ...cm_ite=Keyword

It's Brookstone Bare Ground System. You're supposed to spray it on
your driveway and it stops 3 to 4 inches of snow from sticking. Then
what? Do you spray more on to stop more snow from sticking? Can
this stuff really work?

It is likely as noted fertilizer repackaged and sold for 10 times
the original price.


Anyone with experience with these two things?

Thanks!

Lesley

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

I signed a contract last year with a plow guy and he was only able to
plow half of my driveway. Meanwhile, my vehicle was essentially stuck
in the other end--the end closest to the garage. My driveway is not
only long, but it's very narrow; not only is there a house really close
to mine (making it difficult even to back out of my driveway in my own
vehicle) but I have steps that come down into the driveway, and the
neighbor's house has some kind of exhaust pipe sticking off the side of
their house. So maneuvering down the driveway can be tricky even in
the middle of the day when the pavement is dry. I've called all over
but can't find anyone with a six foot plow (that's the size it would
have to be to fit down the gauntlet that is my driveway).

Lesley

Thanks, Pasar. What do you mean by "kinda OK"? Does it work only on
snow? What about ice? If it works on both, I could use it on my
porches, which do not have any awnings or anything over them. I have
three porches, and I'm terrified that someone is going to slip and fall
on any one of them during the winter because they get so slippery.

I may be expensive, but if it would work on my porch steps/landings, it
would be worth it.

Lesley

"Toller" wrote in message
...
It is much easier to do
3" 3 times then try to deal with 9".

Is that what you tell the wife?

Time to save those pennies and buy a snowblower.

New or used depends on your budget. If you live in Albany all these
years and dont have one by now... How did you get rid of it before?
If you've been shovling snow manually (while living up there) you
should be
the size of Arnold Schwarzenegger inn his prime.

If you got some left over cash a nice atv with a plow blade would
work real nice too. Some people have rid on mowers with snow
blower attachments.

Tom

On 21 Nov 2005 06:22:25 GMT, Marina wrote:

mm wrote in
:

(snip)


I'll tell you this. We used to have a 120 foot driveway. I only
shoveled where the tires went. Why waste time shoveling the whole
thing?


he he he
If you live where it generally snows over 100 inches of snow each season,
you can't do that. The person said he's in Buffalo. He gets a lot of Lake
Snow and you can easily get 6 or 8 inches dumped in a day every day of the
week.

Wow. Maybe he should bite the bullet and buy the gas snowblower
instead of a pusher.

The lake snow is filled with water and easly turns to ice (on the ground).
If you haven't lived near the Great Lakes you won't understand how much it
snows. It snows so much we have to use a roof rake,too.

Wow.

That's a good idea you have for where it doesn't snow too much.

Yeah, thanks. I don't know why my neighbors shovel the whole thing.

Marina

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mm wrote:

I'll tell you this. We used to have a 120 foot driveway. I only
shoveled where the tires went. Why waste time shoveling the whole
thing?

If you got 6 inches of snow and a car with a 3 inch ground clearance,
you'd wish you left the snow where the wheels go and shoveled out the
snow in between.

"Toller" wrote:

-snip-
However, I will second the recommendation of a snow blower. Unless you are
on a very tight budget, don't bother with a small electric; they are not
much easier than a pusher. Get a medium sized gas; I got mine at Sears for
about $300 a couple years ago.

-snip-

I have to strongly disagree. I've been shoveling or blowing
snow in upstate NY for 40+ years. My current driveway is about
100' long, and on a steep incline. Several years ago my health was
poor & I hired a guy to plow my drive. My brother-in-law had a
Toro 1800 [the larger electric- about $300] that he gave me to do my
sidewalks. [I had a 10hp[?] 2-stage blower that was having trouble
starting.] One storm with that little electric & I fell in love.
The next year the snow-plow guy went out of business- and I didn't
call anyone else. Now I do my driveway with that little electric.

I blow a centerline- then blow to the edges and make a 20' path.
Then I go to my turnaround, set it to blow straight ahead and make a
30' deep turnaround spot. It eats the wet snow that the plows thow
up. [I'm on a heavily salted hill & that was always shovel work with
my 2-stage.

It likes 6-8" of medium snow best, but has thrown 6" of slush and 24"
of fluff without complaining as much as that old, heavy 2-stage used
to.

In years where I need to cut back snowbanks, I can pick up that
electric in one hand and throw that snow 20' away. 6 foot
banks that the plow threw up disappear without me breaking a sweat. .
.. . well, maybe a light sweat.g

Not to mention it is quiet, always starts, cleans better than any
blower I've ever owned, needs no gas, hangs on a hook in the garage,
can be rebuilt on a kitchen table, is machine enough that my teenagers
will use it, and un-intimidating enough that my wife has even taken a
turn for fun.

I use about $30 of parts each year. I replace the skids, rotor and
blade. My driveway is about 1/2 [rough] concrete and half gravel.
A smoother drive would make these parts last longer.

As you can see I love my little Toro. Even if I had to pay full
price for it, $300, I would consider it one of the best tool buys I
ever made.

Jim

mm wrote:

I'll tell you this. We used to have a 120 foot driveway. I only
shoveled where the tires went. Why waste time shoveling the whole
thing?

Some of us like to walk down a wide and safe path to the street for the
mail. Besides, some of us are just anal about clearing the entire drive.

On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:56:36 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:

mm wrote:

I'll tell you this. We used to have a 120 foot driveway. I only
shoveled where the tires went. Why waste time shoveling the whole
thing?

Some of us like to walk down a wide and safe path to the street for the

I considered walking down t he 9 inch path to be my start in ballet.
(and it's as far as I ever went. )

Hmmm. The shovel was probably 16 inches wide then.

mail. Besides, some of us are just anal about clearing the entire drive.

::-)


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