I have installed a new bathroom and want to floor it with self-adhesive
vinyl tile. The floor is oak but messed up (the house was built in 1954 and
had carpet at one one time and little "shimmies" put in instead of solid oak
throughtout, etc., so no, it won't look good leaving it bare).

Do I need to put a sub-floor under it first, or should I just stain it first
and then put the self-adhesive tile down, or...?

Thanks.

Couple things that are not clear -

You've put in the bathroom fixtures already ?
What are you talking about staining ?

In my couple times doing peel/stick, the suckers stick best to a smooth
surface, like painted concrete or wood.

No, the bathroom has been roughed in, drywalled, painted, and there is just
a whirlpool in it now - no actual toilet, sink, etc. The plumber wants the
floor in before he comes back and install the toilet, etc.

That is one of my questions - Do I install the vanity before or after
tiling?
Also, my bad - I meant to say "priming" not "staining." I bought a primer
that alledgedly makes the tile stick better.

Also, do I need to install a sub-flooring first? I've read different
opinions on it, and some also say use plywood (if so - what thickness) not
particle board, etc.

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Couple things that are not clear -

You've put in the bathroom fixtures already ?
What are you talking about staining ?

In my couple times doing peel/stick, the suckers stick best to a smooth
surface, like painted concrete or wood.

Wes Stebbins wrote:
No, the bathroom has been roughed in, drywalled, painted, and there is just
a whirlpool in it now - no actual toilet, sink, etc. The plumber wants the
floor in before he comes back and install the toilet, etc.

Makes sense.


That is one of my questions - Do I install the vanity before or after
tiling?

Usually I recommend vanity first with ceramic. However with the vinyl
tiles you can install them first. If you ever upgrade to a cermaic or
otherwise it's a simple chore to cut the tiles at the toe kick if you
remove them for the new stuff. Or just install backerboard at that time
over the whole works for a substrate.

Also, my bad - I meant to say "priming" not "staining." I bought a primer
that alledgedly makes the tile stick better.

Also, do I need to install a sub-flooring first? I've read different
opinions on it, and some also say use plywood (if so - what thickness) not
particle board, etc.

Most lino guys I know install a 1/4-3/8" particle board underlayment.

G Henslee wrote:

Wes Stebbins wrote:
No, the bathroom has been roughed in, drywalled, painted, and there is
just
a whirlpool in it now - no actual toilet, sink, etc. The plumber wants
the
floor in before he comes back and install the toilet, etc.

Makes sense.


That is one of my questions - Do I install the vanity before or after
tiling?

Usually I recommend vanity first with ceramic. However with the vinyl
tiles you can install them first. If you ever upgrade to a cermaic or
otherwise it's a simple chore to cut the tiles at the toe kick if you
remove them for the new stuff. Or just install backerboard at that time
over the whole works for a substrate.

Also, my bad - I meant to say "priming" not "staining." I bought a
primer
that alledgedly makes the tile stick better.

Also, do I need to install a sub-flooring first? I've read different
opinions on it, and some also say use plywood (if so - what thickness)
not
particle board, etc.

Most lino guys I know install a 1/4-3/8" particle board underlayment.


Never use particle board in a bathroom. Use 1/4 hardy board to get level
surface. Tile the whole bathroom then install the vanity and toilet, no
stupid cuts in cheap lino floor. Why on earth are you using that cheap
junk??? Ceramic tile is not that expensive and looks like a million bucks
compared to cheap ass paper junk. Even the new wood Alum. laminate floors
would add a better look.
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EvoDawg wrote:
G Henslee wrote:


Wes Stebbins wrote:

No, the bathroom has been roughed in, drywalled, painted, and there is

just

a whirlpool in it now - no actual toilet, sink, etc. The plumber wants

the

floor in before he comes back and install the toilet, etc.

Makes sense.


That is one of my questions - Do I install the vanity before or after
tiling?

Usually I recommend vanity first with ceramic. However with the vinyl
tiles you can install them first. If you ever upgrade to a cermaic or
otherwise it's a simple chore to cut the tiles at the toe kick if you
remove them for the new stuff. Or just install backerboard at that time
over the whole works for a substrate.


Also, my bad - I meant to say "priming" not "staining." I bought a

primer

that alledgedly makes the tile stick better.

Also, do I need to install a sub-flooring first? I've read different
opinions on it, and some also say use plywood (if so - what thickness)

not

particle board, etc.

Most lino guys I know install a 1/4-3/8" particle board underlayment.



Never use particle board in a bathroom. Use 1/4 hardy board to get level
surface. Tile the whole bathroom then install the vanity and toilet, no
stupid cuts in cheap lino floor. Why on earth are you using that cheap
junk??? Ceramic tile is not that expensive and looks like a million bucks
compared to cheap ass paper junk. Even the new wood Alum. laminate floors
would add a better look.

I know of nobody who washes down their bath floors with a fire hose or
pressure washer. The chances of enough moisture getting through the
flooring to damage the substrate is unlikely. There's no need for hardy
(allthough it's a good idea) under vinyl flooring. I agree that
self-stick vinyl squares are crap but even with hardi if moisture gets
between the seams it won't matter what's there, the stuff will peel.
Hardi is used primarily to provide density to a substrate. Now go talk
to 5 pro vinyl/lino installers and see what they use, otherwise you're
just poppin' off with what you think sounbds good.

G Henslee wrote:

EvoDawg wrote:
G Henslee wrote:


Wes Stebbins wrote:

No, the bathroom has been roughed in, drywalled, painted, and there is

just

a whirlpool in it now - no actual toilet, sink, etc. The plumber wants

the

floor in before he comes back and install the toilet, etc.

Makes sense.


That is one of my questions - Do I install the vanity before or after
tiling?

Usually I recommend vanity first with ceramic. However with the vinyl
tiles you can install them first. If you ever upgrade to a cermaic or
otherwise it's a simple chore to cut the tiles at the toe kick if you
remove them for the new stuff. Or just install backerboard at that time
over the whole works for a substrate.


Also, my bad - I meant to say "priming" not "staining." I bought a

primer

that alledgedly makes the tile stick better.

Also, do I need to install a sub-flooring first? I've read different
opinions on it, and some also say use plywood (if so - what thickness)

not

particle board, etc.

Most lino guys I know install a 1/4-3/8" particle board underlayment.



Never use particle board in a bathroom. Use 1/4 hardy board to get level
surface. Tile the whole bathroom then install the vanity and toilet, no
stupid cuts in cheap lino floor. Why on earth are you using that cheap
junk??? Ceramic tile is not that expensive and looks like a million bucks
compared to cheap ass paper junk. Even the new wood Alum. laminate floors
would add a better look.

I know of nobody who washes down their bath floors with a fire hose or
pressure washer. The chances of enough moisture getting through the
flooring to damage the substrate is unlikely. There's no need for hardy
(allthough it's a good idea) under vinyl flooring. I agree that
self-stick vinyl squares are crap but even with hardi if moisture gets
between the seams it won't matter what's there, the stuff will peel.
Hardi is used primarily to provide density to a substrate. Now go talk
to 5 pro vinyl/lino installers and see what they use, otherwise you're
just poppin' off with what you think sounbds good.


Ive seen to many kids splash water out of the tub and toilets leaking to
know that particle board will not hold up. Besides it holds moisture not
repels it. Once wet it turns to oatmeal and is worthless. And Black Mold
loves it and once infected forget getting rid of it. Its time to tear it up
and start over. My motto is if you had time to do it right the first time
then why did you do it right the second time!!!!!!!!
--
*Remove "nospam" to email
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"

EvoDawg wrote:
G Henslee wrote:


EvoDawg wrote:

G Henslee wrote:



Wes Stebbins wrote:


No, the bathroom has been roughed in, drywalled, painted, and there is

just


a whirlpool in it now - no actual toilet, sink, etc. The plumber wants

the


floor in before he comes back and install the toilet, etc.

Makes sense.



That is one of my questions - Do I install the vanity before or after
tiling?

Usually I recommend vanity first with ceramic. However with the vinyl
tiles you can install them first. If you ever upgrade to a cermaic or
otherwise it's a simple chore to cut the tiles at the toe kick if you
remove them for the new stuff. Or just install backerboard at that time
over the whole works for a substrate.



Also, my bad - I meant to say "priming" not "staining." I bought a

primer


that alledgedly makes the tile stick better.

Also, do I need to install a sub-flooring first? I've read different
opinions on it, and some also say use plywood (if so - what thickness)

not


particle board, etc.

Most lino guys I know install a 1/4-3/8" particle board underlayment.



Never use particle board in a bathroom. Use 1/4 hardy board to get level
surface. Tile the whole bathroom then install the vanity and toilet, no
stupid cuts in cheap lino floor. Why on earth are you using that cheap
junk??? Ceramic tile is not that expensive and looks like a million bucks
compared to cheap ass paper junk. Even the new wood Alum. laminate floors
would add a better look.

I know of nobody who washes down their bath floors with a fire hose or
pressure washer. The chances of enough moisture getting through the
flooring to damage the substrate is unlikely. There's no need for hardy
(allthough it's a good idea) under vinyl flooring. I agree that
self-stick vinyl squares are crap but even with hardi if moisture gets
between the seams it won't matter what's there, the stuff will peel.
Hardi is used primarily to provide density to a substrate. Now go talk
to 5 pro vinyl/lino installers and see what they use, otherwise you're
just poppin' off with what you think sounbds good.



Ive seen to many kids splash water out of the tub and toilets leaking to
know that particle board will not hold up. Besides it holds moisture not
repels it. Once wet it turns to oatmeal and is worthless. And Black Mold
loves it and once infected forget getting rid of it. Its time to tear it up
and start over. My motto is if you had time to do it right the first time
then why did you do it right the second time!!!!!!!!

Then Hardi it is!