I have a four poster wood bed (cherry wood I think) that I was not using, so
I disassembled it and lean all the parts against the inside corner of a
closet, for two years.

Tonight I had to look for something in the closet and noticed something on
the floor where these bed parts leaned. They are very small, brown, almost
invisible, the size of a needle pin. Don't know what they are, but there
must be hundreds of them on the floor, are the droppings or eggs of some
insects? Also on the floor I saw some wings, yes insect wings, about 12 to
15 of them, about 3/8" in length and 1/8" in width. Not sure what kinds of
wings, dark colored.

I then looked at the bed posts and noticed some of them have these needle
pin sized things. So I removed all the bed parts from the closet, and wipe
them down, I then spray them with Lemon scented Pledge (I know that probably
won't help, but that's all I have and I was hoping the scent will drive out
some of these bugs if they are inside the wood). In the process of wiping
down the floor, I also noticed in the closet I had a few cedar wood discs
near where I had the bed parts (you know the ones you get to put in closets
to deter bugs?) and some of them had holes (about 1/8 inch in diameter) on
them. I raised one of them to the light, and I saw something crawling
inside of it although I can't shake it out. I now have the disc inside a
zip lock bag, hopefully the bug will reveal itself so I know what I am
dealing with.

Can someone tell me what this could be? I don't know if something has
infested the bed parts, or whether something has been infesting the inside
of my walls and they came out from the closet to cause this. Can this be
termites? I know the holes are too small to be carpenter ants.

What could this be, and what can I do to eliminate this bug, or treatment
the parts to be free from further infestation. Is it not true that cedar
wood is supposed to be bug free? Why would it be infested?

Oh, location is Miami Florida.

Thanks in advance,

MC

In article ,
says...
I have a four poster wood bed (cherry wood I think) that I was not using, so
I disassembled it and lean all the parts against the inside corner of a
closet, for two years.

Tonight I had to look for something in the closet and noticed something on
the floor where these bed parts leaned. They are very small, brown, almost
invisible, the size of a needle pin. Don't know what they are, but there
must be hundreds of them on the floor, are the droppings or eggs of some
insects? Also on the floor I saw some wings, yes insect wings, about 12 to
15 of them, about 3/8" in length and 1/8" in width. Not sure what kinds of
wings, dark colored.

Here are a couple of links of drywood termite droppings..
http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/insects/a...-pellets-3.jpg
http://tinyurl.com/b63u6

Here are dry wood wings....
http://www.lakestonetpc.com/drywood.jpg
http://www.buginfo.com/wooddestroyin...wd_IS02_01.jpg
http://www.kingtermite.com/dry-wood1.jpg


What could this be, and what can I do to eliminate this bug, or treatment
the parts to be free from further infestation. Is it not true that cedar
wood is supposed to be bug free? Why would it be infested?

Cedar is not "bug free"..it can be "bug resistant" but termites will
readily attack it at times. Your best option will be to probably
contact a local, reputable company to take a look at them and tell you
your options...stay away from the national companies to have less
dealings with a salesman.
--
Lar

to email....get rid of the BUGS

spilt the disc open to get the bug out?

cedar discs are for moths but other bugs should not like it as well

once the aromatics ar gone though might be open season

OK I was able to squeeze out one of these bugs. I took a picture but I
can't post it here so I posted it to alt.binaries.pictures under the title
"Is this a termite?"

Can someone take a look and let me know if this is a termite? My wife told
me she noticed the pellets before too (over six months) but the wings are
new. Does this mean there is a big colony or can it be confined within
those bed parts?

The picture showed the bug, the hole they came out of, and I put in a penny
so you can tell their size.

If these are indeed termites, what types are they, does it mean they came
from another location like the attic and only have a small satallite in the
bed railings? or the entire colony is in the bed railings? I saw a series
of holes about six of them, and they are about an inch apart. I sticked a
pin in it and the cavity is pretty big.

Any advise on what to do from this point forward would be appreciated. I
don't want to call a pest control company just yet and have someone come in
and tell me horror stories with expensive contracts.

Thanks,

MC
"miamicuse" wrote in message
...
I have a four poster wood bed (cherry wood I think) that I was not using,
so
I disassembled it and lean all the parts against the inside corner of a
closet, for two years.

Tonight I had to look for something in the closet and noticed something on
the floor where these bed parts leaned. They are very small, brown,
almost
invisible, the size of a needle pin. Don't know what they are, but there
must be hundreds of them on the floor, are the droppings or eggs of some
insects? Also on the floor I saw some wings, yes insect wings, about 12
to
15 of them, about 3/8" in length and 1/8" in width. Not sure what kinds
of
wings, dark colored.

I then looked at the bed posts and noticed some of them have these needle
pin sized things. So I removed all the bed parts from the closet, and
wipe
them down, I then spray them with Lemon scented Pledge (I know that
probably
won't help, but that's all I have and I was hoping the scent will drive
out
some of these bugs if they are inside the wood). In the process of wiping
down the floor, I also noticed in the closet I had a few cedar wood discs
near where I had the bed parts (you know the ones you get to put in
closets
to deter bugs?) and some of them had holes (about 1/8 inch in diameter) on
them. I raised one of them to the light, and I saw something crawling
inside of it although I can't shake it out. I now have the disc inside a
zip lock bag, hopefully the bug will reveal itself so I know what I am
dealing with.

Can someone tell me what this could be? I don't know if something has
infested the bed parts, or whether something has been infesting the inside
of my walls and they came out from the closet to cause this. Can this be
termites? I know the holes are too small to be carpenter ants.

What could this be, and what can I do to eliminate this bug, or treatment
the parts to be free from further infestation. Is it not true that cedar
wood is supposed to be bug free? Why would it be infested?

Oh, location is Miami Florida.

Thanks in advance,

MC

"miamicuse" wrote in message

Can someone take a look and let me know if this is a termite? My wife
told
me she noticed the pellets before too (over six months) but the wings are
new. Does this mean there is a big colony or can it be confined within
those bed parts?

Could be a seaonal reporductive thing.



Any advise on what to do from this point forward would be appreciated. I
don't want to call a pest control company just yet and have someone come
in
and tell me horror stories with expensive contracts.

Your picture has not show up yet on the server I use. If not a termite, it
could be powder post beetles. You may be able to find a picture of them
doing a Google search. I think they can be trated by wrapping the wood and
fumigating but I'm no expert. With a little research I'm sure you will find
the cure.

Why can't you post it here? I went to the NG you posted it to and it is all
porn. I didn't see your picture there. Post it here in the consumer pest
control group I dont think anyone will mind.

If I am wrong please correct me folks.

--
I wish you all the best
Tim Wise

www.onepest.com
www.askourpros.com

wrote in message ...
Why can't you post it here? I went to the NG you posted it to and it is
all
porn. I didn't see your picture there. Post it here in the consumer pest
control group I dont think anyone will mind.

If I am wrong please correct me folks.


This is not a binaries newsgroup. Posting picture or other types of binary
files can cause problems with many newsreaders. The selected group may not
have been the best, but is was correct in that it was designated for binary
files.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

wrote in message ...
Why can't you post it here? I went to the NG you posted it to and it is
all
porn. I didn't see your picture there. Post it here in the consumer pest
control group I dont think anyone will mind.

If I am wrong please correct me folks.

--
I wish you all the best
Tim Wise

www.onepest.com
www.askourpros.com

Tim,

I will post it here. The reason not posting it here is that it is generally
discouraged because many users on dialup connections intending to read text
only messages on newsgroup will take more time to download a message
containing an image. Although nowadays most people are on high speed
connections.

I will post it in another message under the same thread, and at the same
time provide more updated information since I took the picture.

Thanks for the interest,

MC

I replied an attached a pic but it did not show up. Hmm...could be posts
with images are automatically rejected...oh well.

In any case, I have confirmed by comparing the bug I have with pictures on
the internet that it is indeed a termite. A drywood termite.

Now I would like to locate where the termites are.

Some background:

Location: Miami. Single story house, CBS construction, has an attic, 8"
monolithic reinforced concrete slab.

Location of the closet where this is found: interior closet, tiled floor, on
the opposite end of the closet on the other side of the wall is the AC unit
with ducts that leads up to the attic. This closet has an overhead hatch to
the attic as well.

I have screwed wood railings around the perimeters of this closet at
different levels, and then placed wood shelves on them. I also have taken
apart a four poster bed, with the 4 posts, the railings, the head and foot
boards, the slats all standing up and leaning against the corner of this
closet. It is at the bottom of these posts I found the fecal pellets of
these termites. I also saw the same pellets deposited on the posts.

On the wood shelves I have several boxes of books. toys, documents, and
other stuff. Near the bed posts I have a stack of these cedar wood discs
which I use on hangers to keep bugs away. I saw some tiny holes on these
discs, and that's where I was able to isolate the disc in a zip lock bag and
after an hour or so the termite crawled out and I took a picture.

I took out the bed post and slats and wiped them down with a moist cloth. I
examined them and one of them I saw a series of holes. Using a needle pin I
inserted it into the hole, I twisted the needle inside and it had room
inside. Is this where the termite is? or have been? I took that bed post,
spray some bug spray at those holes. Then I wrap the entire post inside
plastic tarp and taped it tightly to the point I think it is air tight. It
has been a day and a half, I do not see any termite crawled out dying.

I also cleaned out all the junk on these shelves, as I did that I was
looking out for more pellets and termites. On some of the boxes I had
books, I removed the cardboard box lid, and on one of them I saw a termite
on the inside of the lid. I killed it. But I did not see anymore termites.
Do they eat books too? Books are pulps that came from wood, so could these
books have termites? I have not flipped through all of them (there are
hundreds of them).

On the top shelve towards the left there, I saw a whole stip of these
pellets. That's where the bed posts were leaning to. The pellets are very
dense there, from far away, it looks like someone sprinkled cocoa powder on
the white shelves. Among those pellets are some wings. However, these
pellets are NOT directly below the hatch to the closet. At first I thought
it made sense these pellets are on the top shelves, assuming they came from
the hatch, but it did not. The hatch opening is a good foot over, and under
the hatch, no termite fecal pellets.

I then removed the hatch door and climbed into the attic. A lot of
insulation. I used a flash light and examine all the wood members in about
a six feet radius, I did not see any termite or any pin holes like I saw
down below. But it could be the darkness, but I don't think so. I did not
pull up the insulation however to check some of them top plate though. I
also did not see any wet spot of water damages.

So if it is not coming from the attic, where is it coming from?

I crawled back down and reexamine the closet where the shelves had the
pellets and where the bed posts leaned against. Now these shelves are
resting on some horizontal wood railings I screwed into the wall, on the top
and middle shelf railing I saw some holes. Not a lot, may be two on top and
three in the middle. I again inserted a needle inside, there are voids
inside.

So my conclusion is that the termites are inside the railings, and when I
leaned the bed posts against that wall, they came out eating on the bed
posts too since the closet doors are always closed. The termite most likely
is inside the wall, or may be already inside the wall studs. So I went to
the other side of that wall, where I have another closet. Examining the
clothes, and shelves, I do not see any sign of holes or fecal pellet on that
end. However this does not mean much, since that closet door is typically
open so the termites might have avoided that.

But the termites must have a source of water right? Where do they get it?
From the AC system next door or through the attic? I don't see any termites
in the attic (in fact I saw a few ants - by the way aren't ants and termites
supposed to be enemies?)

So what should I do now? I probably need to contact a professional to come
and take a look, but I want to know what questions to ask. I remember a few
years ago I had a Sears pest control guy here and he tried to sell me a
termite contract, did not bother to take a look at my house, did not walk
around, did not get up to the attic. He basically said "you have termites.
you are in Miami, the termite capital of the world. I can guarantee you
have termites without looking, it is not a matter of whether you have it, it
is a matter of when you notice it. See these horror pictures? you need to
sign a termite contract..." I don't want to wait home for a day for a
salesman to come and waste my time.

Any advice appreciated. Sorry it was so long winded, but I thought more
infor is better.

MC

After looking at some more pictures on the web, I am not sure it is a
drywood termite. It may be subterrainean. It is white. One termite I
found was very white and the other is a little darker in color.

MC

"miamicuse" wrote in message
...
I replied an attached a pic but it did not show up. Hmm...could be posts
with images are automatically rejected...oh well.

In any case, I have confirmed by comparing the bug I have with pictures on
the internet that it is indeed a termite. A drywood termite.

Now I would like to locate where the termites are.

Some background:

Location: Miami. Single story house, CBS construction, has an attic, 8"
monolithic reinforced concrete slab.

Location of the closet where this is found: interior closet, tiled floor,
on
the opposite end of the closet on the other side of the wall is the AC
unit
with ducts that leads up to the attic. This closet has an overhead hatch
to
the attic as well.

I have screwed wood railings around the perimeters of this closet at
different levels, and then placed wood shelves on them. I also have taken
apart a four poster bed, with the 4 posts, the railings, the head and foot
boards, the slats all standing up and leaning against the corner of this
closet. It is at the bottom of these posts I found the fecal pellets of
these termites. I also saw the same pellets deposited on the posts.

On the wood shelves I have several boxes of books. toys, documents, and
other stuff. Near the bed posts I have a stack of these cedar wood discs
which I use on hangers to keep bugs away. I saw some tiny holes on these
discs, and that's where I was able to isolate the disc in a zip lock bag
and
after an hour or so the termite crawled out and I took a picture.

I took out the bed post and slats and wiped them down with a moist cloth.
I
examined them and one of them I saw a series of holes. Using a needle pin
I
inserted it into the hole, I twisted the needle inside and it had room
inside. Is this where the termite is? or have been? I took that bed
post,
spray some bug spray at those holes. Then I wrap the entire post inside
plastic tarp and taped it tightly to the point I think it is air tight.
It
has been a day and a half, I do not see any termite crawled out dying.

I also cleaned out all the junk on these shelves, as I did that I was
looking out for more pellets and termites. On some of the boxes I had
books, I removed the cardboard box lid, and on one of them I saw a termite
on the inside of the lid. I killed it. But I did not see anymore
termites.
Do they eat books too? Books are pulps that came from wood, so could
these
books have termites? I have not flipped through all of them (there are
hundreds of them).

On the top shelve towards the left there, I saw a whole stip of these
pellets. That's where the bed posts were leaning to. The pellets are
very
dense there, from far away, it looks like someone sprinkled cocoa powder
on
the white shelves. Among those pellets are some wings. However, these
pellets are NOT directly below the hatch to the closet. At first I
thought
it made sense these pellets are on the top shelves, assuming they came
from
the hatch, but it did not. The hatch opening is a good foot over, and
under
the hatch, no termite fecal pellets.

I then removed the hatch door and climbed into the attic. A lot of
insulation. I used a flash light and examine all the wood members in
about
a six feet radius, I did not see any termite or any pin holes like I saw
down below. But it could be the darkness, but I don't think so. I did
not
pull up the insulation however to check some of them top plate though. I
also did not see any wet spot of water damages.

So if it is not coming from the attic, where is it coming from?

I crawled back down and reexamine the closet where the shelves had the
pellets and where the bed posts leaned against. Now these shelves are
resting on some horizontal wood railings I screwed into the wall, on the
top
and middle shelf railing I saw some holes. Not a lot, may be two on top
and
three in the middle. I again inserted a needle inside, there are voids
inside.

So my conclusion is that the termites are inside the railings, and when I
leaned the bed posts against that wall, they came out eating on the bed
posts too since the closet doors are always closed. The termite most
likely
is inside the wall, or may be already inside the wall studs. So I went to
the other side of that wall, where I have another closet. Examining the
clothes, and shelves, I do not see any sign of holes or fecal pellet on
that
end. However this does not mean much, since that closet door is typically
open so the termites might have avoided that.

But the termites must have a source of water right? Where do they get it?
From the AC system next door or through the attic? I don't see any
termites
in the attic (in fact I saw a few ants - by the way aren't ants and
termites
supposed to be enemies?)

So what should I do now? I probably need to contact a professional to
come
and take a look, but I want to know what questions to ask. I remember a
few
years ago I had a Sears pest control guy here and he tried to sell me a
termite contract, did not bother to take a look at my house, did not walk
around, did not get up to the attic. He basically said "you have
termites.
you are in Miami, the termite capital of the world. I can guarantee you
have termites without looking, it is not a matter of whether you have it,
it
is a matter of when you notice it. See these horror pictures? you need to
sign a termite contract..." I don't want to wait home for a day for a
salesman to come and waste my time.

Any advice appreciated. Sorry it was so long winded, but I thought more
infor is better.

MC

On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 19:56:01 -0400, "miamicuse"
wrote:

I replied an attached a pic but it did not show up. Hmm...could be posts
with images are automatically rejected...oh well.


Funny thing about rules... Some people enforce them even when they
aren't convenient for you.

So what should I do now? I probably need to contact a professional to come
and take a look, but I want to know what questions to ask. I remember a few
years ago I had a Sears pest control guy here and he tried to sell me a
termite contract, did not bother to take a look at my house, did not walk
around, did not get up to the attic. He basically said "you have termites.
you are in Miami, the termite capital of the world. I can guarantee you
have termites without looking, it is not a matter of whether you have it, it
is a matter of when you notice it. See these horror pictures? you need to
sign a termite contract..." I don't want to wait home for a day for a
salesman to come and waste my time.

Any advice appreciated. Sorry it was so long winded, but I thought more
infor is better.



You need to call a professional out before you start messing with
stuff. The pro may notice patterns that you aren't noticing and may
make different reccomendations based on that. Wrapping in plastic
doesn't do much good. Termites don't need as much oxygen as people
do. The voids in the plastic likely have enough air to keep a termite
happy his entire life.

The Sears guy wasn't far off. Everybody down here in FL has termites,
had termites, or will have them one day. Not really a big deal as
long as you notice them and have them treated appropriatley.

Steve B.

In article ,
says...
books, I removed the cardboard box lid, and on one of them I saw a termite
on the inside of the lid. I killed it. But I did not see anymore termites.
Do they eat books too? Books are pulps that came from wood, so could these
books have termites? I have not flipped through all of them (there are
hundreds of them).
Just finding just a single termite is not the norm..I'd think it would
be in your best interest to have the home inspected to make sure what is
going on.

On the top shelve towards the left there, I saw a whole stip of these
pellets. That's where the bed posts were leaning to. The pellets are very
dense there, from far away, it looks like someone sprinkled cocoa powder on
the white shelves. Among those pellets are some wings. However, these
pellets are NOT directly below the hatch to the closet. At first I thought
it made sense these pellets are on the top shelves, assuming they came from
the hatch, but it did not. The hatch opening is a good foot over, and under
the hatch, no termite fecal pellets.

The pellets will follow gravity and be directly below where they are
pushed out of the colony from.


I crawled back down and reexamine the closet where the shelves had the
pellets and where the bed posts leaned against. Now these shelves are
resting on some horizontal wood railings I screwed into the wall, on the top
and middle shelf railing I saw some holes. Not a lot, may be two on top and
three in the middle. I again inserted a needle inside, there are voids
inside.

So my conclusion is that the termites are inside the railings, and when I
leaned the bed posts against that wall, they came out eating on the bed
posts too since the closet doors are always closed. The termite most likely
is inside the wall, or may be already inside the wall studs. So I went to
the other side of that wall, where I have another closet. Examining the
clothes, and shelves, I do not see any sign of holes or fecal pellet on that
end. However this does not mean much, since that closet door is typically
open so the termites might have avoided that.

But the termites must have a source of water right? Where do they get it?
From the AC system next door or through the attic? I don't see any termites
in the attic (in fact I saw a few ants - by the way aren't ants and termites
supposed to be enemies?)

If they are dry wood termites they get the moisture from the wood they
eat. They do not have the same needs as subterranean termites. Also
their colonies will be a lot smaller, compact so they can be found in a
lone location such as a rail.

So what should I do now? I probably need to contact a professional to come
and take a look, but I want to know what questions to ask. I remember a few
years ago I had a Sears pest control guy here and he tried to sell me a
termite contract, did not bother to take a look at my house, did not walk
around, did not get up to the attic. He basically said "you have termites.

When working with National companies you will be dealing with true
salesmen first who are trying to get as much as possible for a job then
the service techs later. Find a local company that has been proven to
be knowledgeable and trustworthy...you have plenty of people living
around you that might know of someone.

--
Lar

to email....get rid of the BUGS