It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!

For those who can't pay, one way to survive this is to move two families
into one house. Then each pays half.

Might want to start making friends with that mother-in-law...

"Bill" wrote in message
...
It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!

For those who can't pay, one way to survive this is to move two families
into one house. Then each pays half.

How would that help? You'd still need the other house heated to at least
55F. So you might be saving about 20%, but what's the point?

That is, unless you are going to shut off the water in the other
ouse. -Dave

"Dave" wrote in message

"Bill" wrote in message
It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!

For those who can't pay, one way to survive this is to move two families
into one house. Then each pays half.

How would that help? You'd still need the other house heated to at least
55F. So you might be saving about 20%, but what's the point?

That is, unless you are going to shut off the water in the other
use. -Dave


Yes, turn off the water in the other house and "winterize" it.

Winterizing a house...
http://www.alpharubicon.com/prepinfo...izefireman.htm

"Dave" wrote in message
...

"Bill" wrote in message
...
It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!

For those who can't pay, one way to survive this is to move two families
into one house. Then each pays half.

How would that help? You'd still need the other house heated to at least
55F. So you might be saving about 20%, but what's the point?


Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

In article , "Bill" wrote:
It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!

For those who can't pay, one way to survive this is to move two families
into one house. Then each pays half.

Might want to start making friends with that mother-in-law...

My brother started using electric last year. I know the electric prices will also be going up shortly.
At least electric enables you to heat the area its needed.

greg

On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 06:45:10 -0700, Bill wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message

"Bill" wrote in message
It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!

For those who can't pay, one way to survive this is to move two
families into one house. Then each pays half.

How would that help? You'd still need the other house heated to at
least 55F. So you might be saving about 20%, but what's the point?

That is, unless you are going to shut off the water in the other use.
-Dave


Yes, turn off the water in the other house and "winterize" it.

Winterizing a house...
http://www.alpharubicon.com/prepinfo...izefireman.htm

Another thing to consider for an unheated house is ventilation. I know
people who decided to save money by turning off the heat while they
were away during the winter. They did fine protecting both the supply
and drainage lines, but closed he house up tight. They came back to a very
musty house, including inside the outer walls.

Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

Anybody who doesn't want to freeze to death. You are aware that you can die
of exposure at 55F, right? -Dave

In article , "Dave" wrote:




Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

Anybody who doesn't want to freeze to death. You are aware that you can die
of exposure at 55F, right? -Dave

I really don't like it below 70 unless I'm sleeping. Sometimes thats even
hard for older folks. If I'm home watching TV after dinner, its got to be at least 73.

I go camping outside in the 40's. It's usually in the summer on those extra cold nights when you least expect it.

I have plenty of trees in the back yard. i do plan on putting the wood/coal stove back
in the garage. I do have an extra stove brick chimney attached to the house but
its in a poor location. Someday I will have to connect up a stove.

greg

Dave wrote:





Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?


Anybody who doesn't want to freeze to death. You are aware that you
can die of exposure at 55F, right? -Dave


h is the same guy who claims he hasn't seen a doctor in 30 years because
they don't know anything. He also believes there is no difference in
taste between Frozen vs. fresh food & believers a 350 cholesterol count
is no problem.

He's either the newest roll to the group or the dumbest poster yet
(beating even Rod).

GregS wrote:

In article , "Dave" wrote:




Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?


Anybody who doesn't want to freeze to death. You are aware that you can die
of exposure at 55F, right? -Dave



I really don't like it below 70 unless I'm sleeping. Sometimes thats even
hard for older folks. If I'm home watching TV after dinner, its got to be at least 73.

I go camping outside in the 40's. It's usually in the summer on those extra cold nights when you least expect it.

I have plenty of trees in the back yard. i do plan on putting the wood/coal stove back
in the garage. I do have an extra stove brick chimney attached to the house but
its in a poor location. Someday I will have to connect up a stove.

greg




67 during the day & 62 at night are our preferred winter settings

It was 68 this morning & thought I was going to die during my early
morning walk.

Up to 80 right now & hate the thought of going outside later today.

Our current summer settings are 73 at night & 75 during the day.

How does anyone stand 90? 80 is bad enough.

In article , clams_casino wrote:
GregS wrote:

In article , "Dave"
wrote:




Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?


Anybody who doesn't want to freeze to death. You are aware that you can die
of exposure at 55F, right? -Dave



I really don't like it below 70 unless I'm sleeping. Sometimes thats even
hard for older folks. If I'm home watching TV after dinner, its got to be at
least 73.

I go camping outside in the 40's. It's usually in the summer on those extra
cold nights when you least expect it.

I have plenty of trees in the back yard. i do plan on putting the wood/coal
stove back
in the garage. I do have an extra stove brick chimney attached to the house
but
its in a poor location. Someday I will have to connect up a stove.

greg




67 during the day & 62 at night are our preferred winter settings

It was 68 this morning & thought I was going to die during my early
morning walk.

Up to 80 right now & hate the thought of going outside later today.

Our current summer settings are 73 at night & 75 during the day.

How does anyone stand 90? 80 is bad enough.


I started to sweat just thinking about it. I just hate hunidity. If I'm working 70 is too hot
with high humidity. I built my deck last summer and ther were many 95 days.
I remember the day it hit 117 in Barstow and I went 20 feet from the house to the car
and just made it.

greg

Bill wrote

It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!

Anyone with a clue stopped using oil for house heating LONG ago, fool.

For those who can't pay, one way to survive this is to move two families into one house. Then each pays half.

Makes much more sense to just hang yourself instead.

Might want to start making friends with that mother-in-law...

Makes much more sense to just hang yourself instead.

Dont make a mess of the carpet.

"Dave" wrote in message
...




Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

Anybody who doesn't want to freeze to death. You are aware that you can
die of exposure at 55F, right? -Dave

Generations of Eskimos make you wonder about that.

Bill wrote:
It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!

For those who can't pay, one way to survive this is to move two families
into one house. Then each pays half.

Since you will have half as much space, why not just live in half the
space you have now? Close off and don't heat rooms that aren't
essential. Block off unneeded windows, even a good window is a thermal
disaster.

The best way to save is insulating, weatherizing and only heating
what is needed.

I'm not too worried myself. I was a third solar last year and I
should be a third or so more this winter. Fusion power at it's best!

Jeff


Might want to start making friends with that mother-in-law...

"Brad Naylor" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

Anybody who doesn't want to freeze to death. You are aware that you can
die of exposure at 55F, right? -Dave

Generations of Eskimos make you wonder about that.

And those of us who live in upstate NY. You absolutely cannot die of
exposure inside your house at 55F unless you're naked and soaking wet, and I
doubt even that would kill you. You'd just wish you were dead.

"Dave" wrote in message
...




Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

Anybody who doesn't want to freeze to death. You are aware that you can
die
of exposure at 55F, right? -Dave

I've read that an adult male, resting and nude, can die of exposure at 80F.
It isn't only a matter of temperature - the amount of clothing and activity,
among other things, play a big role as well.

Lou wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
...




Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

Anybody who doesn't want to freeze to death. You are aware that you
can die of exposure at 55F, right? -Dave

I've read that an adult male, resting and nude, can die of exposure at 80F.

You need to be more selective about the mindless **** you read.

It isn't only a matter of temperature - the amount of clothing
and activity, among other things, play a big role as well.

Yes, but no naked person can die of exposure at 80F when resting inside a house.

"Lou" wrote in message
news:9LUak.173$qW.22@trndny03...

"Dave" wrote in message
...




Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

Anybody who doesn't want to freeze to death. You are aware that you can
die
of exposure at 55F, right? -Dave

I've read that an adult male, resting and nude, can die of exposure at
80F.
It isn't only a matter of temperature - the amount of clothing and
activity,
among other things, play a big role as well.

Maybe if he's in a coma or drunk, but normal people notice when they're too
hot or too cold and put on or take off clothing. I wake up when I'm too warm
or too cold and adjust the blankets accordingly. The last winter power
outage we had was 3 days long, and it was well below 50F inside the entire
time, even with a fire. We were all just fine.

clams_casino wrote:
67 during the day & 62 at night are our preferred winter settings

It was 68 this morning & thought I was going to die during my early
morning walk.
Up to 80 right now & hate the thought of going outside later today.

Our current summer settings are 73 at night & 75 during the day.

How does anyone stand 90? 80 is bad enough.

64 in the winter, day and night. I'd rather put on sweatpants and
sweatshirt than pay the higher gas bill. Summer - 77. Just enough to
keep the humidity out and it's quite comfortable.

Marsha/Ohio

Lou wrote:
I've read that an adult male, resting and nude, can die of exposure at 80F.
It isn't only a matter of temperature - the amount of clothing and activity,
among other things, play a big role as well.


Which is why nursing homes keep the temp so freaking high.

Marsha/Ohio

On Jul 2, 8:00*pm, "h" wrote:
"Brad Naylor" wrote in message

...



"Dave" wrote in message
...

Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

Anybody who doesn't want to freeze to death. *You are aware that you can
die of exposure at 55F, right? *-Dave

Generations of Eskimos make you wonder about that.

And those of us who live in upstate NY. You absolutely cannot die of
exposure inside your house at 55F unless you're naked and soaking wet, and I
doubt even that would kill you. You'd just wish you were dead.


I've been skiing in a T shirt (no coat) in late March at about 35 F.

I've also stood outside for about 6 hours in 40 below, well dressed
for the weather.

Much depends on wind, humidity, whether you are damp from sweat or
entry into water, the amount of sunlight etc.

The most dangerous conditions are when people experience a rapid drop,
ie go from sweating heavily to a below 50F, which can happen at
nightfall in the desert. If a cold wind chills someone who is sweaty
and cold, it can greatily speed up the process of heat loss.

James

"Dave" wrote in message
...




Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

Anybody who doesn't want to freeze to death. You are aware that you can die
of exposure at 55F, right? -Dave

Or you can wear a sweater and be fine.

"clams_casino" wrote in message
...

He's either the newest roll to the group or the dumbest poster yet (beating
even Rod).

Not a chance!

"Marsha" wrote in message ...
Lou wrote:
I've read that an adult male, resting and nude, can die of exposure at 80F.
It isn't only a matter of temperature - the amount of clothing and activity,
among other things, play a big role as well.


Which is why nursing homes keep the temp so freaking high.


They have a problem with adult males, resting and nude, dieing?

h wrote in message ...

"Dave" wrote in message
...

"Bill" wrote in message
...
It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!

For those who can't pay, one way to survive this is to move two
families
into one house. Then each pays half.

How would that help? You'd still need the other house heated to at
least
55F. So you might be saving about 20%, but what's the point?


Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

I do. Have the thermostat set at 64 - this past winter. With age (69) and
disability/mobility problems increasing - just can't take the 58 I had it at
a few years ago. I do layer clothing and frequently wear a knit hat. My
very old home (pre 1850) has been insulated as much as possible - other than
building a stud wall on the inside of the walls (vertical thick plank walls)
can't do much more.

JonquilJan

Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying

Wed, 2 Jul 2008 22:47:20 -0400 from JonquilJan :
h wrote in message ...
Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

I do. Have the thermostat set at 64 - this past winter.

My mold consultant told me it was necessary to heat the house to at
least 65 to prevent the growth of mold. (Humidity should be no more
than 55%, though in winter it seems to hover in the high 30%s and low
40%s.)

I have baseboard hot-water heat, and both he and a contractor told me
it operates most efficiently if the thermostat keeps the same setting
24/7.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

In article ,
says...
Wed, 2 Jul 2008 22:47:20 -0400 from JonquilJan :
h wrote in message ...
Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

I do. Have the thermostat set at 64 - this past winter.

My mold consultant told me it was necessary to heat the house to at
least 65 to prevent the growth of mold. (Humidity should be no more
than 55%, though in winter it seems to hover in the high 30%s and low
40%s.)

I could believe that, though I thought most plants grew better when
warmer (humidity, for sure).

I have baseboard hot-water heat, and both he and a contractor told me
it operates most efficiently if the thermostat keeps the same setting
24/7.

....but that part is simply nonsense.

--
Keith

On Jul 3, 5:47*pm, krw wrote:
In article ,
says...
I have baseboard hot-water heat, and both he and a contractor told me
it operates most efficiently if the thermostat keeps the same setting
24/7.

...but that part is simply nonsense.

Yeah, no kidding. WTF is it with contractors and that? The guys who
put in my furnace (a force air, very high efficiency) said the same
thing about it. I just nodded my head and wrote them off for future
business.

"Stan Brown" wrote in message
t...
Wed, 2 Jul 2008 22:47:20 -0400 from JonquilJan :
h wrote in message
...
Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

I do. Have the thermostat set at 64 - this past winter.

My mold consultant told me it was necessary to heat the house to at
least 65 to prevent the growth of mold. (Humidity should be no more
than 55%, though in winter it seems to hover in the high 30%s and low
40%s.)

I have baseboard hot-water heat, and both he and a contractor told me
it operates most efficiently if the thermostat keeps the same setting
24/7.

I wonder what the definition of "most efficiently" is. For instance, at
least in the past, some offices/public buildings left the lights on 24/7
because lamps tend to last/longer if they're not cycled on and off. At
least for a while, there was also a tendency toward "group relamping" -
changing all the bulbs in an area at the same time, even if they still
worked, because that was cheaper than having someone from maintenance come
over to change lamps one by one as they bit the dust.

In this context, "efficient" might mean less heat lost up the chimney, less
unburned fuel passing through a cold furnace at startup in the morning. But
it might be possible that by turning the temperature down at night and while
the house is empty during the day results in lower overall costs because
you're heating less of the time, even though those few hours in the
morning/evening might have the furnace operating at less than peak
efficiency.

Stan Brown wrote
JonquilJan wrote
h wrote

Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

I do. Have the thermostat set at 64 - this past winter.

My mold consultant told me it was necessary to heat the house to at least
65 to prevent the growth of mold. (Humidity should be no more than 55%,
though in winter it seems to hover in the high 30%s and low 40%s.)

I have baseboard hot-water heat, and both he and a contractor told me
it operates most efficiently if the thermostat keeps the same setting 24/7.

Then he's a ****wit that doesnt have a ****ing clue.

"WDS" wrote in message
...
On Jul 3, 5:47 pm, krw wrote:
In article ,
says...
I have baseboard hot-water heat, and both he and a contractor told me
it operates most efficiently if the thermostat keeps the same setting
24/7.

...but that part is simply nonsense.

So...how come those same guys will sell and install set-back thermostats?
Yeah, right. I only heat the rooms I'm in (zoned heat). If I'm in it, I set
it to 55F, if I'm not, it's off (50F or less).

Lou wrote:
"Stan Brown" wrote in message
t...
Wed, 2 Jul 2008 22:47:20 -0400 from JonquilJan :
h wrote in message
...
Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

I do. Have the thermostat set at 64 - this past winter.

My mold consultant told me it was necessary to heat the house to at
least 65 to prevent the growth of mold. (Humidity should be no more
than 55%, though in winter it seems to hover in the high 30%s and low
40%s.)

I have baseboard hot-water heat, and both he and a contractor told me
it operates most efficiently if the thermostat keeps the same setting
24/7.

I wonder what the definition of "most efficiently" is. For instance,
at least in the past, some offices/public buildings left the lights
on 24/7 because lamps tend to last/longer if they're not cycled on
and off. At least for a while, there was also a tendency toward
"group relamping" - changing all the bulbs in an area at the same
time, even if they still worked, because that was cheaper than having
someone from maintenance come over to change lamps one by one as they
bit the dust.

In this context, "efficient" might mean less heat lost up the
chimney, less unburned fuel passing through a cold furnace at startup
in the morning. But it might be possible that by turning the
temperature down at night and while the house is empty during the day
results in lower overall costs because you're heating less of the
time, even though those few hours in the morning/evening might have
the furnace operating at less than peak efficiency.

Or the fool doesnt have a clue.

On Jul 2, 12:45*pm, clams_casino wrote:
Dave wrote:

Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

Anybody who doesn't want to freeze to death. *You are aware that you
can die of exposure at 55F, right? *-Dave

h is the same guy who claims he hasn't seen a doctor in 30 years because
they don't know anything. * He also believes there is no difference in
taste between Frozen vs. fresh food & believers a 350 cholesterol count
is no problem.

He's either the newest roll to the group or the dumbest poster yet
(beating even Rod).

Boy, do you need to learn reading comprehension.
1- I'm FEMALE
1- I had a 350 cholesterol count when I was eating what the doctor
suggested. It dropped into the 160s once I started eating only what
was on the "don't eat" list. THAT'S why I stopped seeing doctors -
they obviously don't know what they're talking about.

PLONK

Rod Speed wrote:
Stan Brown wrote
JonquilJan wrote
h wrote

Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

I do. Have the thermostat set at 64 - this past winter.

My mold consultant told me it was necessary to heat the house to at least
65 to prevent the growth of mold. (Humidity should be no more than 55%,
though in winter it seems to hover in the high 30%s and low 40%s.)

I have baseboard hot-water heat, and both he and a contractor told me
it operates most efficiently if the thermostat keeps the same setting 24/7.

Then he's a ****wit that doesnt have a ****ing clue.


I always take the word of a welfare leech over a contractor.
Rod has been off his meds today. We already have seen the paper bag
bot and the erudite "****wit". Can the flushing bot be far behind?

William Souden
sales fool/racetrack bum

wrote:


PLONK



I love it when you talk dirty.

On Jul 2, 8:15*am, "Bill" wrote:
It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!

Convert to natural gas. It's cheaper, cleaner, and the utility can't
cut you off.

--
Ron

"Bill" wrote in message
...
It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!

For those who can't pay, one way to survive this is to move two families
into one house. Then each pays half.

Might want to start making friends with that mother-in-law...
Shut the house down one room at a time..........

"Dave" wrote in message
...




Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

Anybody who doesn't want to freeze to death. You are aware that you can
die of exposure at 55F, right? -Dave
only a dumb ass can.........

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:35:01 GMT from Lou :

"Stan Brown" wrote in message
t...
My mold consultant told me it was necessary to heat the house to
at least 65 to prevent the growth of mold. (Humidity should be no
more than 55%, though in winter it seems to hover in the high
30%s and low 40%s.)

I have baseboard hot-water heat, and both he and a contractor
told me it operates most efficiently if the thermostat keeps the
same setting 24/7.

The contractor wasn't trying to sell me anything, by the way. He was
the teacher of a home-maintenance class offered by a local non-profit
group.

I wonder what the definition of "most efficiently" is.

In this context, "efficient" might mean less heat lost up the
chimney, less unburned fuel passing through a cold furnace at
startup in the morning.

My understanding is that the furnace uses less fuel overall to keep
the water in the hating pipes at a constant temperature than to let
it cool down by 10 or 15 degrees in the day time (when I'm at work)
and the night (when I'm in bed) and then reheat it.

My understanding is that this is true for hot-water heat but not for
forced-air, since it takes much less energy to heat air than water.

It may also be significant that my furnace heats hot water used for
washing -- the thing in the basement that looks like a water heater
is actually just a holding tank. Maybe if I had hot water heat but a
separate water heater, the efficiency would go another way.

But it might be possible that by turning the temperature down at
night and while the house is empty during the day results in lower
overall costs because you're heating less of the time, even though
those few hours in the morning/evening might have the furnace
operating at less than peak efficiency.

I'll ask my furnace maintenance guy about this and see what he says.
Of course if I could use less energy I'd be happy about that.


--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

Stan Brown wrote
Lou wrote
Stan Brown wrote

My mold consultant told me it was necessary to heat the house to
at least 65 to prevent the growth of mold. (Humidity should be no
more than 55%, though in winter it seems to hover in the high
30%s and low 40%s.)

I have baseboard hot-water heat, and both he and a contractor
told me it operates most efficiently if the thermostat keeps the
same setting 24/7.

The contractor wasn't trying to sell me anything, by the way. He was the
teacher of a home-maintenance class offered by a local non-profit group.

Then he's a fool that doesnt have a clue.

I wonder what the definition of "most efficiently" is.

In this context, "efficient" might mean less heat lost up the
chimney, less unburned fuel passing through a cold furnace at
startup in the morning.

My understanding is that the furnace uses less fuel overall to keep
the water in the hating pipes at a constant temperature than to let
it cool down by 10 or 15 degrees in the day time (when I'm at work)
and the night (when I'm in bed) and then reheat it.

Thats just plain wrong.

My understanding is that this is true for hot-water heat but not for
forced-air, since it takes much less energy to heat air than water.

And that is just plain wrong too.

It may also be significant that my furnace heats hot water used for washing

Nope.

-- the thing in the basement that looks like a water heater is
actually just a holding tank. Maybe if I had hot water heat but
a separate water heater, the efficiency would go another way.

Nope.

But it might be possible that by turning the temperature down at
night and while the house is empty during the day results in lower
overall costs because you're heating less of the time, even though
those few hours in the morning/evening might have the furnace
operating at less than peak efficiency.

I'll ask my furnace maintenance guy about this and see what he says.

Waste of time, he clearly doesnt have a clue.

Of course if I could use less energy I'd be happy about that.