"NotMe" wrote
Recalls some adventures in a 56 MG midget...



The hood of a midget has more sf than the interior.



--
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:19:37 -0700, "
wrote:

On Jul 15, 5:29 pm, Useful Info wrote:
Electricity from solar.
Propane from a small container.
$10k for the entire house.
No mortgage...

It's very possible. After all, lots of Americans - especially men
- for generations have CHOSEN to live for days at a time in small
hunting cabins, fishing cabins, po-up vacation trailers, etc.

No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com


I am parked as I type, next to a young man who is living in a pickup
camper removed from the pickup, which couldn't have more than 60 sq.
ft. He picks up garbage (and other tasks) in an RV park here in North
Pole, AK.

He also has a dog (beautiful Husky).

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:56:38 GMT, Myal wrote:

Rich256 wrote:
On Jul 15, 4:24 pm, Just A User wrote:

Useful Info wrote:

Electricity from solar.
Propane from a small container.
$10k for the entire house.
No mortgage...

Wait... no debt? Isn't that un-American? Aren't we all supposed to be
enslaved to the banks?

See the video athttp://Muvy.org

I saw it featured on a major media channel. While this is along the idea
of something I would like to put on my land in TX, I do think 84sq ft is
a bit on the small side for 1 person. I have messed around with floor
plans for small cabins and came up with a 500sq ft floor that seemed
livable. Actually I started with about 1000sq ft and worked my way down
to about 500. Very simple rectangular design, 1 bed, 1 bath, kitchen,
dining / living area. Tried to keep the design /green/ I.E. solar power,
supplemental water via rain water harvesting, composting toilet, etc.
etc. etc. I figured I could do the whole thing for about $10k using
recycled stuff.


An Alternative:


http://tinyurl.com/2corcd



its kinda sad that people are reduced to that in "wealthy" lands

I was just talking with the people in the neighboring site in our
campground here in North Pole, Alaska. They mentioned they ran into a
60ish woman at a car dealership this afternoon who was just returning
from the Arctic Ocean (she had dipped her feet into the Arctic Ocean).

She lives in her car and sleeps when she wants along side the road. He
said she was at the dealership (which sold her the car) asking for a
cup of coffee and to use the restroom. She was retired military, bar
tender and prison guard and was searching for "adventure"!

To each her own.

Dean

Myal wrote:.... its kinda sad that people are reduced to that in "wealthy"
lands


You have the wrong attitude.
She probably WANTS to live that way.

I guess you would think it would be better if the government took (stole)
some money from a "rich' guy and then rented (forced) an appartment for/on
this woman ?

--
JerryD(upstateNY)

Dean wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:56:38 GMT, Myal wrote:


Rich256 wrote:

On Jul 15, 4:24 pm, Just A User wrote:


Useful Info wrote:


Electricity from solar.
Propane from a small container.
$10k for the entire house.
No mortgage...

Wait... no debt? Isn't that un-American? Aren't we all supposed to be
enslaved to the banks?

See the video athttp://Muvy.org

I saw it featured on a major media channel. While this is along the idea
of something I would like to put on my land in TX, I do think 84sq ft is
a bit on the small side for 1 person. I have messed around with floor
plans for small cabins and came up with a 500sq ft floor that seemed
livable. Actually I started with about 1000sq ft and worked my way down
to about 500. Very simple rectangular design, 1 bed, 1 bath, kitchen,
dining / living area. Tried to keep the design /green/ I.E. solar power,
supplemental water via rain water harvesting, composting toilet, etc.
etc. etc. I figured I could do the whole thing for about $10k using
recycled stuff.


An Alternative:


http://tinyurl.com/2corcd



its kinda sad that people are reduced to that in "wealthy" lands


I was just talking with the people in the neighboring site in our
campground here in North Pole, Alaska. They mentioned they ran into a
60ish woman at a car dealership this afternoon who was just returning
from the Arctic Ocean (she had dipped her feet into the Arctic Ocean).

She lives in her car and sleeps when she wants along side the road. He
said she was at the dealership (which sold her the car) asking for a
cup of coffee and to use the restroom. She was retired military, bar
tender and prison guard and was searching for "adventure"!

To each her own.

Dean

Living in a car is not bad ,

living in a toilet cubicle tho ... it would get stenchy at times ... I
wouldnt want that nor wish it on anyone but a politician

JerryD(upstateNY) wrote:
Myal wrote:.... its kinda sad that people are reduced to that in "wealthy"
lands


You have the wrong attitude.
She probably WANTS to live that way.


That is a convienient line of thought

I guess you would think it would be better if the government took (stole)
some money from a "rich' guy and then rented (forced) an appartment for/on
this woman ?


Why do you guys allways fuss about money and govt when it comes to
matters of life and wellfare ?

is it the end of your little world , work and nanny state ?

Myal wrote: Why do you guys allways fuss about money and govt when it comes
to matters of life and wellfare ? is it the end of your little world , work
and nanny state ?


This country is too much of a nanny state right now.
I certainly don't want it to become any more of a nanny state.
As soon as the country does everything for you, the country is near
collapse.
Europe is closer to a full nanny state (socialism) and look at their 20%
unemployment and $6.00 per gallon gas prices.
Socialism has failed every time it's tried.

--
JerryD(upstateNY)

JerryD(upstateNY) wrote
Myal wrote

Why do you guys allways fuss about money and govt when it comes to matters of life and wellfare ?
is it the end of your little world , work and nanny state ?

This country is too much of a nanny state right now.
I certainly don't want it to become any more of a nanny state.

As soon as the country does everything for you, the country is near collapse.

Bet you cant list even a single country that has ever collapsed that way.

Europe is closer to a full nanny state (socialism) and look at their 20% unemployment

There's **** all european countrys with a 20% unemployment rate.

and $6.00 per gallon gas prices.

Socialism has failed every time it's tried.

Pig ignorant lie.

JerryD(upstateNY) wrote:
Myal wrote: Why do you guys allways fuss about money and govt when it comes
to matters of life and wellfare ? is it the end of your little world , work
and nanny state ?


This country is too much of a nanny state right now.
I certainly don't want it to become any more of a nanny state.
As soon as the country does everything for you, the country is near
collapse.
Europe is closer to a full nanny state (socialism) and look at their 20%
unemployment and $6.00 per gallon gas prices.
Socialism has failed every time it's tried.


see , measured by money again ....

its something that ya just cannot get past hey ?

price of housing , price of health care , price of caring for old folk
no longer wanted by society cos they are no longer able to turn a
profitable $$ and pay their taxes ..

actual human element just does not enter the equation , even the roads
remain as death traps till the financial cost of the people being killed
outwieghs the cost of repair or remaking the road safer . That folk die
matters none , that folk live in ****houses matters none , as long as
its cool to justify it with "they probably WANT to live there"

and pointout that it would take $$ and effort to do anything about it ,
thus making it OK to do nothing ...

Its cool , I understand , this is the land of the free , and this is the
american way .

In article ,
Myal wrote:

I guess you would think it would be better if the government took
(stole) some money from a "rich' guy and then rented (forced) an
appartment for/on this woman ?

Why do you guys allways fuss about money and govt when it comes to
matters of life and wellfare ?

Because it is *MY* money the governmentuses, and ever-increasing amounts of it.

Given your "life and wellfare(sic)" criteria, I should NEVER fuss about money
in ANY amount, which I have EARNED, that is arbitrarily redistributed to
others. Don't hold your breath.

is it the end of your little world , work and nanny state ?

Give 'em time. They're working toward that end.
--
sigh
JR

Myal wrote:...nothing but doom and gloom


I see you don't like anything about this country, not even the way we keep
the roads.
You are looking for perfection and that will never happen.
It must be hell walking around in your shoes every day.
SMILE.....we live in the best country in the world.

--
JerryD(upstateNY)

Jim Redelfs wrote:
In article ,
Myal wrote:


I guess you would think it would be better if the government took
(stole) some money from a "rich' guy and then rented (forced) an
appartment for/on this woman ?


Why do you guys allways fuss about money and govt when it comes to
matters of life and wellfare ?


Because it is *MY* money the governmentuses, and ever-increasing amounts of it.


Its your patriotic DUTY to hand that money over to be spent by
politicians on themselves , their careers , to buy votes and run
propoganda campaigns , invade other countries .... and use a tiny % on
welfare of folk who are down and out


Given your "life and wellfare(sic)" criteria, I should NEVER fuss about money
in ANY amount, which I have EARNED, that is arbitrarily redistributed to
others. Don't hold your breath.


its your DUTy to earn it and hand it over to the politicians , what the
politicians do withit is their business , do you know if your $ went to
kill Iraqies or feed illegals or pay for a Bush night out shaking hands
and pressing flesh ?

its not your business to know , your leaders worry about it for you .


is it the end of your little world , work and nanny state ?


Give 'em time. They're working toward that end.

This I agree with

JerryD(upstateNY) wrote:
Myal wrote:...nothing but doom and gloom


I see you don't like anything about this country, not even the way we keep
the roads.
You are looking for perfection and that will never happen.
It must be hell walking around in your shoes every day.
SMILE.....we live in the best country in the world.



Tell yourself that often enough and you will believe it

I dont have a problem with your country as such , the leaders yeah , for
sure they be scum , the racist *******s and xenophobic gibbering idiots
, yeah , I got a problem with them , but the actual country you live in
, nah , I hear its pretty good mostly

its just the way the people treat each other ....

Rod Speed wrote:

Myal wrote
As soon as the country does everything for you, the country is near collapse.

Bet you cant list even a single country that has ever collapsed that way.

Russia with many more struggling with the high cost of socialism.

Socialism has failed every time it's tried.

Pig ignorant lie.

Socialism is a failure. Most European socialist countries have absurdly
high taxes that is crippling. Along with absurd income taxes they also
pay incredible sales taxes (15%) and $7+ gas most of which is tax. In
the UK they are having to reduce funding of free collage in order to pay
for a cash strapped healthcare system.

Myal wrote:

actual human element just does not enter the equation , even the roads
remain as death traps till the financial cost of the people being killed
outwieghs the cost of repair or remaking the road safer . That folk die
matters none , that folk live in ****houses matters none , as long as
its cool to justify it with "they probably WANT to live there"

The alternative is what communism tries to solve. Reduce everyone down
to the least common denominator. A society that just exists with only
the basic essentials to survive. But hey, nobody has more than anyone
else. No thanks.

"Myal" wrote
Its your patriotic DUTY to hand that money over
to be spent by politicians on themselves , their
careers , to buy votes and run propoganda
campaigns , invade other countries .... and use a
tiny % on welfare of folk who are down and out





I don't see paying taxes as a "patriotic duty", but it's an obligation that
has to be met.

Also, the US budget spends about $700 BILLION toward Health and Human
Services. Hardly "tiny" in total dollars or percentage of the total budget.
There's over $600 BILLION spent on Social Security benefits. Roughly $1.3
Billion out of a total of close to $2.8 Billion in expenditures. Not quite
half, but not "tiny" by a long shot.

Should they spend less elsewhere? Maybe so. But that's not the point you
were trying to make.





--
If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons?
----------------
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia

miles wrote:


Socialism is a failure. Most European socialist countries have
absurdly high taxes that is crippling. Along with absurd income taxes
they also pay incredible sales taxes (15%) and $7+ gas most of which
is tax. In the UK they are having to reduce funding of free collage
in order to pay for a cash strapped healthcare system.


If the European countries are crippling under their tax burdens, any
suggestions why why the Euro has gained 40+% in value vs. the US dollar
over the past 6 years?

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:11:28 -0400, "NotMe" wrote:

"Paul Thomas, CPA" wrote in message
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|
| "Paul Maffia" wrote
| Paul, that is true on modern Tridents. But in the old pig boats of WWII,
| each sailor had a lot less than that. Even the Capt, made do with less.
|
|
|
| Bed space is different than total available living space.
|
|
| In any event, not a place to bring a date home to.

Recalls some adventures in a 56 MG midget...

My 6' tall girl friend and myself at 6'3", managed to find a VW more
than adequate to the task as well.

Ah youth..when one was limber and adventurous....sigh...


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In article ,
says...
miles wrote:


Socialism is a failure. Most European socialist countries have
absurdly high taxes that is crippling. Along with absurd income taxes
they also pay incredible sales taxes (15%) and $7+ gas most of which
is tax. In the UK they are having to reduce funding of free collage
in order to pay for a cash strapped healthcare system.


If the European countries are crippling under their tax burdens, any
suggestions why why the Euro has gained 40+% in value vs. the US dollar
over the past 6 years?

Likely because other countries are trying to balance their currency
holdings.

--
Keith

"clams casino" wrote
If the European countries are crippling under their tax
burdens, any suggestions why why the Euro has gained
40+% in value vs. the US dollar over the past 6 years?





Maybe because the Euro is backed in part by US greenbacks.




--
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For
those who do not, none will suffice." - Joseph Dunniger

Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia

miles wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Myal wrote

As soon as the country does everything for you, the country is near collapse.

Bet you cant list even a single country that has ever collapsed that way.

Russia

Doesnt qualify. It went for half a century attempting to do that before it collapsed
and it collapsed for other reasons, essentially because the political system doesnt
work over the long haul and they couldnt keep up with the US on military spending.

China certainly didnt collapse because they attempted that route. They eventually
came to their senses and realised that capitalism just works a lot better.

with many more struggling with the high cost of socialism.

Socialism aint communism. And I bet you cant actually list any countrys
'struggling with the high cost of socialism'. Plenty of those have even better
real living standards than the US has and the US has plenty of socialism too,
most obviously with public schools, medicare, medicade, social security etc etc etc.

In fact ALL modern first world countrys are a mix of socialism and capitalism.

And so are plenty of other places like china too.

Socialism has failed every time it's tried.

Pig ignorant lie.

Socialism is a failure.

Pig ignorant lie.

Most European socialist countries have absurdly high taxes that is crippling.

Pig ignorant lie, only a few of them do.

Along with absurd income taxes they also pay incredible sales taxes (15%) and $7+ gas most of
which is tax.

What matters is the total tax take and even HongKong had some socialism and very low taxes.

In the UK they are having to reduce funding of free collage in order to pay for a cash strapped
healthcare system.

Pig ignorant lie.

Pity about the extensive socialism in the US too.

krw wrote
says...
miles wrote:

Socialism is a failure. Most European socialist countries have
absurdly high taxes that is crippling. Along with absurd income
taxes they also pay incredible sales taxes (15%) and $7+ gas most
of which is tax. In the UK they are having to reduce funding of
free collage in order to pay for a cash strapped healthcare system.

If the European countries are crippling under their tax burdens, any
suggestions why why the Euro has gained 40+% in value vs. the US
dollar over the past 6 years?

Likely because other countries are trying to balance their currency holdings.

Nope, its primarily due to the terminal stupidity of the immense
amount of money the US is ****ing against the wall in Iraq with
that being funded by deficits and not out of taxation.

The same thing happened during the Vietnam War.

clams casino wrote
miles wrote

Socialism is a failure. Most European socialist countries have
absurdly high taxes that is crippling. Along with absurd income
taxes they also pay incredible sales taxes (15%) and $7+ gas most of which is tax. In the UK
they are having to reduce funding of free
collage in order to pay for a cash strapped healthcare system.

If the European countries are crippling under their tax burdens, any suggestions why why the Euro
has gained 40+% in value vs. the US dollar over the past 6 years?

Essentially because the US has been stupid enough to
**** an immense amount of money against the wall in Iraq.

The same effect was seen during the Vietnam War.

Paul Thomas, CPA wrote
clams casino wrote

If the European countries are crippling under their tax
burdens, any suggestions why why the Euro has gained
40+% in value vs. the US dollar over the past 6 years?

Maybe because the Euro is backed in part by US greenbacks.

No it isnt.

miles wrote
Myal wrote

actual human element just does not enter the equation , even the
roads remain as death traps till the financial cost of the people
being killed outwieghs the cost of repair or remaking the road safer
. That folk die matters none , that folk live in ****houses matters
none , as long as its cool to justify it with "they probably WANT to
live there"

The alternative is what communism tries to solve. Reduce everyone down to the least common
denominator.

Communism doesnt do that, most obviously with the apes at the top of the tree.

A society that just exists with only the basic essentials to survive.

Mindlessly silly, no society works like that.

But hey, nobody has more than anyone else.

Wrong again, the apes at the top clearly do.

No thanks.

Rod Speed wrote:
miles wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Myal wrote

As soon as the country does everything for you, the country is near collapse.

Bet you cant list even a single country that has ever collapsed that way.

Russia

Doesnt qualify. It went for half a century attempting to do that before it collapsed
and it collapsed for other reasons, essentially because the political system doesnt
work over the long haul and they couldnt keep up with the US on military spending.

China certainly didnt collapse because they attempted that route. They eventually
came to their senses and realised that capitalism just works a lot better.

with many more struggling with the high cost of socialism.

Socialism aint communism. And I bet you cant actually list any countrys
'struggling with the high cost of socialism'.


See Norway: http://tinyurl.com/yopp5a

-Raf

--
Misifus-
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Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
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Misifus wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:
miles wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Myal wrote

As soon as the country does everything for you, the country is
near collapse.

Bet you cant list even a single country that has ever collapsed
that way.

Russia

Doesnt qualify. It went for half a century attempting to do that
before it collapsed and it collapsed for other reasons, essentially
because the political system doesnt work over the long haul and they
couldnt keep up with the US on military spending. China certainly didnt collapse because they
attempted that route.
They eventually came to their senses and realised that capitalism
just works a lot better.
with many more struggling with the high cost of socialism.

Socialism aint communism. And I bet you cant actually list any
countrys 'struggling with the high cost of socialism'.

See Norway: http://tinyurl.com/yopp5a

Doesnt qualify as struggling and there are plenty
with more socialism than norway that are doing fine.

And that is social WELFARE, not socialism, different matter entirely.

clams casino wrote:

If the European countries are crippling under their tax burdens, any
suggestions why why the Euro has gained 40+% in value vs. the US dollar
over the past 6 years?

I never said all European countries are crippling under their tax
burdens. I said the UK with their socialism is and the UK has not
adopted the Euro as its standard.

Also the Euro is rather new. Your 40% dates back to the creation of the
Euro. Since then more countries have adopted it and thus its total
value in circulation has grown substantially.

Another reason for the low $ vs. Euro is the large trade deficit and low
interest rates in the US. A side effect of that is a weaker European
stock market.

Rod Speed wrote:

Doesnt qualify. It went for half a century attempting to do that before it collapsed
and it collapsed for other reasons

lol, you seem to pick and choose what qualifies or doesn't based on your
own personal views. Russia's attempt to provide everything for everyone
was a failure.

, essentially because the political system doesnt
work over the long haul and they couldnt keep up with the US on military spending.

Yes it collapsed because it had no money from a broke system of trying
to be everything to everyone.


'struggling with the high cost of socialism'. Plenty of those have even better
real living standards than the US has and the US has plenty of socialism too,
most obviously with public schools, medicare, medicade, social security etc etc etc.

The UK is struggling in providing its social programs. College and
healthcare in the UK are running low in funding. Free college has
already seen cutbacks in order to shift funds to a starved health care
system. In the long run socialism can't work. Each year the demands on
social programs increases faster than the ability to generate those
funds through taxation.

Most European socialist countries have absurdly high taxes that is crippling.

Pig ignorant lie, only a few of them do.

Only a few huh? Now thats a lie! Take a look at the tax rates of most
socialist European countries or even Canada.

In the UK they are having to reduce funding of free collage in order to pay for a cash strapped
healthcare system.

Pig ignorant lie.

Truth bothers you huh? The UK's social system is cash strapped and
thats no lie.

Rod Speed wrote:

Nope, its primarily due to the terminal stupidity of the immense
amount of money the US is ****ing against the wall in Iraq with
that being funded by deficits and not out of taxation.

Oh geez. Another political zealot thats clueless! The dollar trade
value has far more to do with interest rates in the USA as well as the
trade deficit and the fact that so many countries tie their currency to
the $.

Rod Speed wrote:
miles wrote
A society that just exists with only the basic essentials to survive.

Mindlessly silly, no society works like that.

Exactly my point. Communism fails for that very reason. Have you been
to Russia? I have. People had the basic essentials of living and
little else. But people were fairly equal, few poor and few rich.
Little incentive to strive towards anything as there were no rewards for
ones hard work. Some has changed since I was there as more western
capitalism has entered.

miles wrote
Rod Speed wrote
krw wrote
says...
miles wrote:

Socialism is a failure. Most European socialist countries have
absurdly high taxes that is crippling. Along with absurd income
taxes they also pay incredible sales taxes (15%) and $7+ gas most
of which is tax. In the UK they are having to reduce funding of
free collage in order to pay for a cash strapped healthcare system.

If the European countries are crippling under their tax burdens, any
suggestions why why the Euro has gained 40+% in value vs. the US
dollar over the past 6 years?

Likely because other countries are trying to balance their currency holdings.

Nope, its primarily due to the terminal stupidity of the immense
amount of money the US is ****ing against the wall in Iraq with
that being funded by deficits and not out of taxation.

Oh geez. Another political zealot

Thats just you projecting, child.

thats clueless!

This from the political zealot that cant even manage to work
out the basics, that ALL modern first world econonmys are
a mixture of socialism and capitalism, including the US.

Cant get any more clueless than that.

The dollar trade value has far more to do with interest rates in the USA

Have fun explaining the recent sag in the USD on that basis.

as well as the trade deficit

Have fun explaining the recent sag in the USD on that basis.

and the fact that so many countries tie their currency to the $.

**** all that matter do except china and that doesnt explain
why the USD has sagged with respect to the Euro anyway.

miles wrote
clams casino wrote:
miles wrote

Socialism is a failure. Most European socialist countries have
absurdly high taxes that is crippling. Along with absurd income
taxes they also pay incredible sales taxes (15%) and $7+ gas most of which is tax. In the UK
they are having to reduce funding of free collage in order to pay for a cash strapped
healthcare system.

If the European countries are crippling under their tax burdens, any
suggestions why why the Euro has gained 40+% in value vs. the US
dollar over the past 6 years?

I never said all European countries are crippling under their tax burdens.

You clearly did however claim that most of them are.

I said the UK with their socialism is

You actually said a hell of a lot more than just that. And carefully
deleted that from the quoting. I have restored what you actually said.

and the UK has not adopted the Euro as its standard.

You didnt actually say that, liar.

Also the Euro is rather new. Your 40% dates back to the creation of the Euro. Since then more
countries have adopted it and thus its total value in circulation has grown substantially.

Irrelevant to the USD/Euro relativity.

Another reason for the low $ vs. Euro is the large trade deficit and low interest rates in the US.

Pity about the USD/Yen sag that cant have been due to that.

A side effect of that is a weaker European stock market.

Not a ****ing clue, as always.

miles wrote
Rod Speed wrote
miles wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Myal wrote

As soon as the country does everything for you, the country is near collapse.

Bet you cant list even a single country that has ever collapsed that way.

Russia

Doesnt qualify. It went for half a century attempting to do that before it collapsed and it
collapsed for other reasons

lol,

Village eejut imitations cut no mustard.

you seem to pick and choose what qualifies or doesn't based on your own personal views.

We'll see...

Russia's attempt to provide everything for everyone was a failure.

It worked reasonably well for a while, and they got a much better
result during the Great Depression than most of the first world did.

The fundamental thing that sank Russia was actually the cold
war, not doing everything for the inhabitants of that country.

essentially because the political system doesnt work over the long haul and they couldnt keep up
with the US on military spending.

Yes it collapsed because it had no money from a broke system of trying to be everything to
everyone.

Have fun explaining how come China did the same thing and didnt collapse.

with many more struggling with the high cost of socialism.

Socialism aint communism. And I bet you cant actually list any countrys 'struggling with the high
cost of socialism'. Plenty of those have even better real living standards than the US has

Particularly for the dregs of their society.

and the US has plenty of socialism too, most obviously with public schools, medicare, medicade,
social security etc etc etc.

The UK is struggling in providing its social programs.

Pig ignorant lie. They have chosen to not have the very high
taxation levels that are seen in the worst of europe like Norway.

College and healthcare in the UK are running low in funding.

Pig ignorant lie.

Free college has already seen cutbacks in order to shift funds to a starved health care system.

Pig ignorant lie.

And their schools work a hell of a lot better than the socialist schools in the US anyway.

In the long run socialism can't work.

Easy to claim.

Each year the demands on social programs increases faster than the ability to generate those funds
through taxation.

Fantasy with the basics like school education, where every single modern first
world country isnt even self replacing on population when you take out immigration.

The socialism in the Jap economy works fine.

Most European socialist countries have absurdly high taxes that is crippling.

Pig ignorant lie, only a few of them do.

Only a few huh? Now thats a lie!

Nope.

Take a look at the tax rates of most socialist European countries or even Canada.

Been there, done that. It isnt crippling in england, or canada.

It isnt even that much higher in canada when you
allow for the different funding of health care costs.

In the UK they are having to reduce funding of free collage in order to pay for a cash strapped
healthcare system.

Pig ignorant lie.

Truth bothers you huh?

You wouldnt know what the truth was if it bit you on your lard arse.

The UK's social system is cash strapped and thats no lie.

Its a pig ignorant lie and the only reason it doesnt have as much money
as some would like is because they have chosen to not have the very high
tax levels that some other european countrys like Norway have chosen to have.

miles wrote
Rod Speed wrote
miles wrote
Myal wrote

actual human element just does not enter the equation , even the
roads remain as death traps till the financial cost of the people
being killed outwieghs the cost of repair or remaking the road safer. That folk die matters
none , that folk live in ****houses matters none, as long as its cool to justify it with "they
probably WANT to live there"

The alternative is what communism tries to solve. Reduce everyone down to the least common
denominator.

Communism doesnt do that, most obviously with the apes at the top of the tree.

A society that just exists with only the basic essentials to survive.

Mindlessly silly, no society works like that.

Exactly my point.

Nope.

Communism fails for that very reason.

Have fun explaining why that didnt happen in China.

Have you been to Russia? I have.

But you're so stupid that it didnt help.

People had the basic essentials of living and little else.

Pig ignorant lie.

But people were fairly equal, few poor and few rich.

Nothing like your original pig ignorant lie.

Little incentive to strive towards anything as there were no rewards for ones hard work.

There was for the apprachiks.

Some has changed since I was there as more western capitalism has entered.

Pity they ****ed that up completely. China didnt.

Rod Speed wrote:

Its a pig ignorant lie and the only reason it doesnt have as much money
as some would like is because they have chosen to not have the very high
tax levels that some other european countrys like Norway have chosen to have.

The UK has 50%+ tax rates along with 15% VAT sales tax and $7+ gallon
gas most of which is tax. Yes, I realize many socialist European
countries have even more absurdly high rates but to say the tax rates in
the UK isn't high is...well...absurd!

miles wrote
Rod Speed wrote

In the UK they are having to reduce funding of free collage in order to pay for a cash
strapped healthcare system.

Pig ignorant lie.

Truth bothers you huh?

You wouldnt know what the truth was if it bit you on your lard arse.

The UK's social system is cash strapped and thats no lie.

Its a pig ignorant lie and the only reason it doesnt have as much money as some would like is
because they have chosen to not have the very high tax levels that some other european countrys
like Norway have chosen to have.

The UK has 50%+ tax rates

Most dont pay anything like that tax rate.

along with 15% VAT sales tax and $7+ gallon gas most of which is tax.

And you have to allow for the fact that thats paying for their
health care, something an american has to pay for separately.

And with the US you have to allow for the fact that its the property
taxes that mostly are what funds the socialist school system too.

Yes, I realize many socialist European countries have even more absurdly high rates but to say the
tax rates in the UK isn't high is...well...absurd!

Its the total tax take that matters, and england isnt that much higher than the US.

Paul Thomas, CPA wrote:
"Myal" wrote

Its your patriotic DUTY to hand that money over
to be spent by politicians on themselves , their
careers , to buy votes and run propoganda
campaigns , invade other countries .... and use a
tiny % on welfare of folk who are down and out






I don't see paying taxes as a "patriotic duty", but it's an obligation that
has to be met.

Also, the US budget spends about $700 BILLION toward Health and Human
Services. Hardly "tiny" in total dollars or percentage of the total budget.
There's over $600 BILLION spent on Social Security benefits. Roughly $1.3
Billion out of a total of close to $2.8 Billion in expenditures. Not quite
half, but not "tiny" by a long shot.

Should they spend less elsewhere? Maybe so. But that's not the point you
were trying to make.





compared to military spending ...

but you still totaly miss the point and are insisting on measuing human
life in terms of $$ only

Rod Speed wrote:....essentially because the political system doesn't work
over the long haul and they (Russia) couldnt keep up with the US on military
spending.


The Democrats will never admit that fact.
If they did, it would mean they would have to admit to the fact that Reagan
caused Russia to collapse.
I am not sure what the Democrats think cause the collapse of the USSR.
Maybe global warming ?

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JerryD(upstateNY)

Myal wrote: but you still totaly miss the point and are insisting on
measuing human life in terms of $$ only


And you have totally missed the point that the world will never change.
Get use to it.


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JerryD(upstateNY)