Does anyone make a programmable appliance controller that can handle
fluorescent lights?

I want to be able to program lights so that they always go off at 10 PM but
match the number of hours in the local day.

On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:58:09 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

Does anyone make a programmable appliance controller that can handle
fluorescent lights?

I want to be able to program lights so that they always go off at 10 PM but
match the number of hours in the local day.

I'd start looking at http://www.smarthome.com/_/index.aspx. Not that
they necessarily have it (or necessarily the best price if they do) but
that's kind of their playing field and they'd be likely to have
something if there is one available.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:58:09 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

Does anyone make a programmable appliance controller that can handle
fluorescent lights?

I want to be able to program lights so that they always go off at 10 PM but
match the number of hours in the local day.

X10.

On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 19:16:52 -0600, "
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:58:09 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

Does anyone make a programmable appliance controller that can handle
fluorescent lights?

I want to be able to program lights so that they always go off at 10 PM but
match the number of hours in the local day.

X10.

But not the standard ones http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/Fluorescent_Lights
X10 is getting a little long in the tooth -- though so am I and I'm
using a few X10 modules on the incandescents here.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

Rich Webb wrote :

On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 19:16:52 -0600, "
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:58:09 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

Does anyone make a programmable appliance controller that can handle
fluorescent lights?

I want to be able to program lights so that they always go off at 10 PM
but match the number of hours in the local day.

X10.

But not the standard ones http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/Fluorescent_Lights
X10 is getting a little long in the tooth -- though so am I and I'm
using a few X10 modules on the incandescents here.


I wouldnt buy from them if they were the last ones in the market. They spam
me and wont stop it.

--
- Jane Galt

"There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means
of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by
force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and
suicide." -- Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons"

On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:58:09 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

Does anyone make a programmable appliance controller that can handle
fluorescent lights?

I want to be able to program lights so that they always go off at 10 PM but
match the number of hours in the local day.

---
I'm not sure I understand.

Do you mean that you want the controller to always turn the lights on
at something like "sunrise plus one hour" and always turn them off at
10 PM?

What about daylight savings time?


---
JF

John Fields wrote :

On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:58:09 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

Does anyone make a programmable appliance controller that can handle
fluorescent lights?

I want to be able to program lights so that they always go off at 10 PM
but match the number of hours in the local day.

---
I'm not sure I understand.

Do you mean that you want the controller to always turn the lights on
at something like "sunrise plus one hour" and always turn them off at
10 PM?

What about daylight savings time?

No, I want them to always go off at 10 PM and be on the length of the local
daylight. So, for example, if we have 7.25 hours of local daylight that day,
I want them to come on 7.25 hours before 10 PM and go off at 10 PM.



--
- Jane Galt

By taxing, borrowing and wasting money that the tax slaves must be forced to
pay back, Government does NOT "create jobs", it NEVER HAS. It actually
consumes and destroys the wealth that the private sector, which really DOES
create jobs, could be using to do so!

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 01:01:01 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

John Fields wrote :

On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:58:09 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

Does anyone make a programmable appliance controller that can handle
fluorescent lights?

I want to be able to program lights so that they always go off at 10 PM
but match the number of hours in the local day.

---
I'm not sure I understand.

Do you mean that you want the controller to always turn the lights on
at something like "sunrise plus one hour" and always turn them off at
10 PM?

What about daylight savings time?

No, I want them to always go off at 10 PM and be on the length of the local
daylight. So, for example, if we have 7.25 hours of local daylight that day,
I want them to come on 7.25 hours before 10 PM and go off at 10 PM.

A PC, X10, and SMOP.

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 01:01:01 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

John Fields wrote :

On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:58:09 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

Does anyone make a programmable appliance controller that can handle
fluorescent lights?

I want to be able to program lights so that they always go off at 10 PM
but match the number of hours in the local day.

---
I'm not sure I understand.

Do you mean that you want the controller to always turn the lights on
at something like "sunrise plus one hour" and always turn them off at
10 PM?

What about daylight savings time?

No, I want them to always go off at 10 PM and be on the length of the local
daylight. So, for example, if we have 7.25 hours of local daylight that day,
I want them to come on 7.25 hours before 10 PM and go off at 10 PM.

---
So how do you plan to determine the amount of local daylight on an
ongoing daily basis??

---
JF

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:37:36 -0600, John Fields
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 01:01:01 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

John Fields wrote :

On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:58:09 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

Does anyone make a programmable appliance controller that can handle
fluorescent lights?

I want to be able to program lights so that they always go off at 10 PM
but match the number of hours in the local day.

---
I'm not sure I understand.

Do you mean that you want the controller to always turn the lights on
at something like "sunrise plus one hour" and always turn them off at
10 PM?

What about daylight savings time?

No, I want them to always go off at 10 PM and be on the length of the local
daylight. So, for example, if we have 7.25 hours of local daylight that day,
I want them to come on 7.25 hours before 10 PM and go off at 10 PM.

---
So how do you plan to determine the amount of local daylight on an
ongoing daily basis??

Table lookup. ;-)

" wrote:

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:37:36 -0600, John Fields
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 01:01:01 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

John Fields wrote :

On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:58:09 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

Does anyone make a programmable appliance controller that can handle
fluorescent lights?

I want to be able to program lights so that they always go off at 10 PM
but match the number of hours in the local day.

---
I'm not sure I understand.

Do you mean that you want the controller to always turn the lights on
at something like "sunrise plus one hour" and always turn them off at
10 PM?

What about daylight savings time?

No, I want them to always go off at 10 PM and be on the length of the local
daylight. So, for example, if we have 7.25 hours of local daylight that day,
I want them to come on 7.25 hours before 10 PM and go off at 10 PM.

---
So how do you plan to determine the amount of local daylight on an
ongoing daily basis??

Table lookup. ;-)


Dawn to dusk sensor?


--
For the last time: I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off
scientist!!!

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:37:36 -0600, John Fields
wrote:

So how do you plan to determine the amount of local daylight on an
ongoing daily basis??
JF

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunrise_equation
I did a solar panel tracker (prototype) that used this method. Rather
than actually tracking the sun, which is affected by glass building
reflections, headlights, street lights, weather, eclipses, etc, I just
plug in the lat-long, and it crunches the numbers.


--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

John Fields wrote :

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 01:01:01 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

John Fields wrote :

On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:58:09 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

Does anyone make a programmable appliance controller that can handle
fluorescent lights?

I want to be able to program lights so that they always go off at 10
PM but match the number of hours in the local day.

---
I'm not sure I understand.

Do you mean that you want the controller to always turn the lights on
at something like "sunrise plus one hour" and always turn them off at
10 PM?

What about daylight savings time?

No, I want them to always go off at 10 PM and be on the length of the
local daylight. So, for example, if we have 7.25 hours of local daylight
that day, I want them to come on 7.25 hours before 10 PM and go off at
10 PM.

---
So how do you plan to determine the amount of local daylight on an
ongoing daily basis??

Good question. If I were a programmer ( I'm not ) I'd use an ephemeris
table to pick the number of daylight hours each day and subtract them from
10PM.


--
- Jane Galt

By taxing, borrowing and wasting money that the tax slaves must be forced
to pay back, Government does NOT "create jobs", it NEVER HAS. It actually
consumes and destroys the wealth that the private sector, which really DOES
create jobs, could be using to do so!

On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:59:14 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

John Fields wrote :

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 01:01:01 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

John Fields wrote :

On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:58:09 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

Does anyone make a programmable appliance controller that can handle
fluorescent lights?

I want to be able to program lights so that they always go off at 10
PM but match the number of hours in the local day.

---
I'm not sure I understand.

Do you mean that you want the controller to always turn the lights on
at something like "sunrise plus one hour" and always turn them off at
10 PM?

What about daylight savings time?

No, I want them to always go off at 10 PM and be on the length of the
local daylight. So, for example, if we have 7.25 hours of local daylight
that day, I want them to come on 7.25 hours before 10 PM and go off at
10 PM.

---
So how do you plan to determine the amount of local daylight on an
ongoing daily basis??

Good question. If I were a programmer ( I'm not ) I'd use an ephemeris
table to pick the number of daylight hours each day and subtract them from
10PM.

---
An ephemeris is used to locate objects in the sky; what you'd use
would be a sunrise/sunset table:

http://www.usno.navy.mil/USNO/astron...rs-one-year-us


In response to your original question, I don't believe there are
appliance timers out there that do what you want.

It sounds like what you're trying to do is mimic the duration of
natural daylight, indoors, with sundown being hard-wired to 10 PM.

If you're interested I can tell you how to do that.


---
JF

John Fields wrote :

On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:59:14 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

John Fields wrote :

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 01:01:01 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

John Fields wrote :

On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:58:09 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

Does anyone make a programmable appliance controller that can handle
fluorescent lights?

I want to be able to program lights so that they always go off at 10
PM but match the number of hours in the local day.

---
I'm not sure I understand.

Do you mean that you want the controller to always turn the lights
on at something like "sunrise plus one hour" and always turn them
off at 10 PM?

What about daylight savings time?

No, I want them to always go off at 10 PM and be on the length of the
local daylight. So, for example, if we have 7.25 hours of local
daylight that day, I want them to come on 7.25 hours before 10 PM and
go off at 10 PM.

---
So how do you plan to determine the amount of local daylight on an
ongoing daily basis??

Good question. If I were a programmer ( I'm not ) I'd use an ephemeris
table to pick the number of daylight hours each day and subtract them
from 10PM.

---
An ephemeris is used to locate objects in the sky; what you'd use
would be a sunrise/sunset table:

http://www.usno.navy.mil/USNO/astron...a-services/rs-
one-year-us


In response to your original question, I don't believe there are
appliance timers out there that do what you want.

It sounds like what you're trying to do is mimic the duration of
natural daylight, indoors, with sundown being hard-wired to 10 PM.

If you're interested I can tell you how to do that.


Yes exactly. I cant figure how to buy something that does it, it would seem
to need a PC and an appliance ( not just incandescent lamp ) controller
that could be programmed by it. Kind of expensive.


--
- Jane Galt

By taxing, borrowing and wasting money that the tax slaves must be forced
to pay back, Government does NOT "create jobs", it NEVER HAS. It actually
consumes and destroys the wealth that the private sector, which really DOES
create jobs, could be using to do so!

On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 16:17:50 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

John Fields wrote :

On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:59:14 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

John Fields wrote :

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 01:01:01 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

John Fields wrote :

On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:58:09 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

Does anyone make a programmable appliance controller that can handle
fluorescent lights?

I want to be able to program lights so that they always go off at 10
PM but match the number of hours in the local day.

---
I'm not sure I understand.

Do you mean that you want the controller to always turn the lights
on at something like "sunrise plus one hour" and always turn them
off at 10 PM?

What about daylight savings time?

No, I want them to always go off at 10 PM and be on the length of the
local daylight. So, for example, if we have 7.25 hours of local
daylight that day, I want them to come on 7.25 hours before 10 PM and
go off at 10 PM.

---
So how do you plan to determine the amount of local daylight on an
ongoing daily basis??

Good question. If I were a programmer ( I'm not ) I'd use an ephemeris
table to pick the number of daylight hours each day and subtract them
from 10PM.

---
An ephemeris is used to locate objects in the sky; what you'd use
would be a sunrise/sunset table:

http://www.usno.navy.mil/USNO/astron...a-services/rs-
one-year-us


In response to your original question, I don't believe there are
appliance timers out there that do what you want.

It sounds like what you're trying to do is mimic the duration of
natural daylight, indoors, with sundown being hard-wired to 10 PM.

If you're interested I can tell you how to do that.


Yes exactly. I cant figure how to buy something that does it, it would seem
to need a PC and an appliance ( not just incandescent lamp ) controller
that could be programmed by it. Kind of expensive.

---
Depending on the size of the fluorescent lamp load, and since it's an
ON-OFF situation you're talking about, all you should need to drive it
is a relay or a contactor supplying mains to the ballast(s).

Arguably, the easiest way to do it would be to get a cheap PC running
DOS and then to write a program which would turn the relay on and off
at the proper times via the serial or parallel port.

Another option, of course, would involve the use of a microcontroller
running a program to turn the relay on and off.

In either case, what you'd need to do would be to keep track of real
time and then, using the sunrise-sunset table, turn the relay on and
off at the appropriate times.

Can you say your project's about?


---
JF

John Fields wrote :

On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 16:17:50 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

John Fields wrote :

On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:59:14 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

John Fields wrote :

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 01:01:01 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

John Fields wrote :

On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:58:09 -0600, "Jane_Galt"
wrote:

Does anyone make a programmable appliance controller that can
handle fluorescent lights?

I want to be able to program lights so that they always go off at
10 PM but match the number of hours in the local day.

---
I'm not sure I understand.

Do you mean that you want the controller to always turn the lights
on at something like "sunrise plus one hour" and always turn them
off at 10 PM?

What about daylight savings time?

No, I want them to always go off at 10 PM and be on the length of
the local daylight. So, for example, if we have 7.25 hours of local
daylight that day, I want them to come on 7.25 hours before 10 PM
and go off at 10 PM.

---
So how do you plan to determine the amount of local daylight on an
ongoing daily basis??

Good question. If I were a programmer ( I'm not ) I'd use an ephemeris
table to pick the number of daylight hours each day and subtract them
from 10PM.

---
An ephemeris is used to locate objects in the sky; what you'd use
would be a sunrise/sunset table:

http://www.usno.navy.mil/USNO/astron...ata-services/r
s- one-year-us


In response to your original question, I don't believe there are
appliance timers out there that do what you want.

It sounds like what you're trying to do is mimic the duration of
natural daylight, indoors, with sundown being hard-wired to 10 PM.

If you're interested I can tell you how to do that.


Yes exactly. I cant figure how to buy something that does it, it would
seem to need a PC and an appliance ( not just incandescent lamp )
controller that could be programmed by it. Kind of expensive.

---
Depending on the size of the fluorescent lamp load, and since it's an
ON-OFF situation you're talking about, all you should need to drive it
is a relay or a contactor supplying mains to the ballast(s).

Arguably, the easiest way to do it would be to get a cheap PC running
DOS and then to write a program which would turn the relay on and off
at the proper times via the serial or parallel port.

Another option, of course, would involve the use of a microcontroller
running a program to turn the relay on and off.

In either case, what you'd need to do would be to keep track of real
time and then, using the sunrise-sunset table, turn the relay on and
off at the appropriate times.

Can you say your project's about?

Pet birds.



--
- Jane Galt

By taxing, borrowing and wasting money that the tax slaves must be forced
to pay back, Government does NOT "create jobs", it NEVER HAS. It actually
consumes and destroys the wealth that the private sector, which really DOES
create jobs, could be using to do so!

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On 10-11-30 12:14 AM, Jane_Galt wrote:

Can you say your project's about?

Pet birds.


Norwegian Blues don't need much light...


mike





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