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Hi to all my fans, just completed repairs on one of these: http://www.sound-power.ru/files/doc/..._datasheet.pdf Found it fitted inside a mini-size bass instrument amplifier, which the owner had just purchased over the net and failed on him at first power up. Smelling a rat, I checked the AC switch on the rear panel first - blow me down, it was set to 120VAC and we live in a 240V country. Reset the switch, then it drew zero AC current - no surprise. Replaced the blown 5AT fuse in the IcePower module and then the PSU began hiccupping - drawing an amp or two very briefly then shutting off every few seconds. IME feeding double AC supply voltage to a unit with a SMPS is almost always fatal, sure the AC fuse blows but semis in the HV part of the circuit fail in a fraction of a second. But these must be OK this time because the PSU was hiccupping - ie working but sensing an overload so shutting down. Soon enough, multimeter testing showed two small power mosfets on the output side of the SMPS tranny were shorted while two others seemed OK. But what the heck are mosfets doing there ? Well, it's the fist time I have come across seen a *synchronous rectifier* in such an unit. IcePower had certainly gone all out to reduce losses and heat in this module by using a synchronous bridge. The particular TO-252 fets here are made by ON, number FDD86110 rated at 100V and 8mohms on resistance. Removing the duds cleared all shorts and after fitting some new ones ( delivered to me by Element14, from their Singapore warehouse ) I gingerly Variaced the unit up from zero. No hiccupping this time and it began to run normally - after which it passed all my usual bench testing, no problems. FYI: AC current draw was 120mA at idle, 2.4A at full power (340W rms/4ohms) No PFC and inrush surges were about 25A for a few milliseconds. There was a residual sine wave signal on the audio output of about 1V at 500kHz - no biggie except it makes THD testing a right PITA. I find it odd the way the SMPS failed, just two mosfets in the secondary rectifier, nothing else. For a brief time, the DC supply to the switching fets must have been nearly double voltage. Seems the two rectifier fets failed SHORT instantly and protected the rest of the circuitry - remember the power supply is NOT regulated, just a square wave inverter running at 100kHz. I also feel that supplying an expensive amplifier to a buyer living in a 240V country with the AC inlet set to 120V and giving NO warning is criminal. BTW the amp was fitted with a regular IEC inlet which most of the world uses for 240VAC. Any comments? .... Phil |
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On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 11:52:31 PM UTC-4, Mr. Charm & Warmth wrote:
Hi to all my fans, **There's internet in hell? just completed repairs on one of these: http://www.sound-power.ru/files/doc/..._datasheet.pdf Smelling a rat, I checked the AC switch on the rear panel first - blow me down, it was set to 120VAC and we live in a 240V country. I also feel that supplying an expensive amplifier to a buyer living in a 240V country with the AC inlet set to 120V and giving NO warning is criminal. ** I've found that when an item fails, the customer will flip every switch in a vain attempt to "repair" the failure. Even though the amp failed on first use, we don't actually know where the switch was set when the customer obtained the amp. There's an even (or better) chance the customer flipped it after the amp failed. Any comments? **Good repair. |
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Phil Allison wrote:
Any comments? It may seem like this PSU is fancy, but in a really modern PSU there is no 120/240 switch and the PSU automatically works between 80 and 250V AC. |
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John Dope wrote:
---------------- Hi to all my fans, **There's internet in hell? ** Small mistake, the internet IS hell. just completed repairs on one of these: http://www.sound-power.ru/files/doc/..._datasheet.pdf Smelling a rat, I checked the AC switch on the rear panel first - blow me down, it was set to 120VAC and we live in a 240V country. I also feel that supplying an expensive amplifier to a buyer living in a 240V country with the AC inlet set to 120V and giving NO warning is criminal. ** I've found that when an item fails, the customer will flip every switch in a vain attempt to "repair" the failure. Even though the amp failed on first use, we don't actually know where the switch was set when the customer obtained the amp. There's an even (or better) chance the customer flipped it after the amp failed. ** Errr - nope. The particular "switch" is tiny - looks like a round, 20mm panel fuse holder with sub mm white print saying 120/240 - PLUS requires screw driver to operate. Every knowable fact points at the supplier being in the USA and sending the buyer here a "cardboard box" with a local model inside. The chance the amp arrived in the buyer's hand with a faulty low voltage mosfet in the synchronous rectifier cct AND no other fault is miniscule. Any comments? **Good repair. ** I was careful, observant and a tad lucky. Replacing the 2 DPAK mosfets mounted flat on the PCB was a new job to me - everything I had read suggested it required solder paste & liquid flux that I did not have. In the end, I used 1.2mm Savbit 60/40 wire solder, a Hakko FX-888 iron set to 330 C and acted damn quick. ...... Phil |
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Rob wrote:
----------- Phil Allison Any comments? It may seem like this PSU is fancy, but in a really modern PSU there is no 120/240 switch and the PSU automatically works between 80 and 250V AC. ** Yep - most of those kind of SMPSs are know as "PFC corrected" . The incoming AC is rectified and converted to 400V DC by a switching converter that tracks the incoming AC voltage. Makes the current wave follow the voltage wave ( both sine) so the "power factor" is close to unity. Has advantages in terms of how many units can be run of the same power circuit and is often mandated in regulations for lighting and computer products. But not for domestic or entertainment audio. ...... Phil |
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Phil Allison wrote:
Every knowable fact points at the supplier being in the USA and sending the buyer here a "cardboard box" with a local model inside. Once I had a defective PSU in a Dell desktop PC, made a case at the local Dell phone number, got sent a PSU from a European parts center, and it was set to 120V. BANGGG!! (OF COURSE I did not check that! All newly delivered Dell PCs come with the switch correctly set for our region! and there was no "please be advised that you need to check the setting" note packed with it either...) Called them again, got sent another PSU, again set to 120V. Of course this time I switched it before plugging it in. I think this is crazy. When you manufacture PSUs and have to have a default setting, then at least SET IT TO 240V!!! When the local line is 120V then at least it will not fail, and when it does not work you can still change the setting. |
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On Friday, 20 September 2019 14:31:05 UTC+1, Phil Allison wrote:
Rob wrote: ----------- Phil Allison Any comments? It may seem like this PSU is fancy, but in a really modern PSU there is no 120/240 switch and the PSU automatically works between 80 and 250V AC. ** Yep - most of those kind of SMPSs are know as "PFC corrected" . The incoming AC is rectified and converted to 400V DC by a switching converter that tracks the incoming AC voltage. Makes the current wave follow the voltage wave ( both sine) so the "power factor" is close to unity. Has advantages in terms of how many units can be run of the same power circuit and is often mandated in regulations for lighting and computer products. But not for domestic or entertainment audio. ..... Phil PFC is mandated for domestic goods above 20w here. PFC correction & the ability to run at 120 & 240 without changing a switch are of course 2 separate things. NT |
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Some Bull****ting Idiot called wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------- PFC is mandated for domestic goods above 20w here. ** No it isn't. EN 61000-3-2 set some limits on the levels of harmonic current permitted. http://www.epsma.org/PFC%20Guide_November%202010.pdf These limits are sufficiently high that the majority of electronic devices intended for domestic use meet the standard with no special correction circuit or device installed. PFC correction & the ability to run at 120 & 240 without changing a switch are of course 2 separate things. ** But are closely related since active PFC allows a designer to fairly easily achieve 85VAC to 265VAC operation and which many items already have. Wide input range SMPS without active PFC exist, but IME are less common. ...... Phil |
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On Saturday, 21 September 2019 02:49:16 UTC+1, Phil Allison wrote:
Some Bull****ting Idiot called tabby wrote: -------------------------------------------------------- PFC is mandated for domestic goods above 20w here. ** No it isn't. EN 61000-3-2 set some limits on the levels of harmonic current permitted. http://www.epsma.org/PFC%20Guide_November%202010.pdf These limits are sufficiently high that the majority of electronic devices intended for domestic use meet the standard with no special correction circuit or device installed. Silly me, I thought it was obvious I was referring to devices with poor pf. NT |
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Some Nut Case Damn LIAR called wrote:
---------------------------------------------------- PFC is mandated for domestic goods above 20w here. ** No it isn't. EN 61000-3-2 set some limits on the levels of harmonic current permitted. http://www.epsma.org/PFC%20Guide_November%202010.pdf These limits are sufficiently high that the majority of electronic devices intended for domestic use meet the standard with no special correction circuit or device installed. ---------------------------------------------------- Silly me, I thought it was obvious I was referring to devices with poor pf. ** FFS dickwad, the regs do not even mention the term "power factor". Try actually reading them before blowing bull**** out you arse. PFC is in no way "mandated" . ..... Phil |
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Phil Allison wrote:
Wide input range SMPS without active PFC exist, but IME are less common. Before the PFC solution there were SMPS that used the standard rectifier/doubler setup with a TRIAC in place of the jumper that normally selects 120V/240V operation. |
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On Saturday, 21 September 2019 10:26:12 UTC+1, Phil Allison wrote:
Some Nut Case Damn LIAR called tabby wrote: ---------------------------------------------------- PFC is mandated for domestic goods above 20w here. ** No it isn't. EN 61000-3-2 set some limits on the levels of harmonic current permitted. http://www.epsma.org/PFC%20Guide_November%202010.pdf These limits are sufficiently high that the majority of electronic devices intended for domestic use meet the standard with no special correction circuit or device installed. ---------------------------------------------------- Silly me, I thought it was obvious I was referring to devices with poor pf. ** FFS dickwad, the regs do not even mention the term "power factor". Try actually reading them before blowing bull**** out you arse. PFC is in no way "mandated" . .... Phil Horse. |
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Rob wrote:
------------- Phil Allison Wide input range SMPS without active PFC exist, but IME are less common. Before the PFC solution there were SMPS that used the standard rectifier/doubler setup with a TRIAC in place of the jumper that normally selects 120V/240V operation. ** Yeah - the cct starts off in the 240V position and jumps down to the 120V setting if the output voltage is much too low. Think makers called it "auto-select" or something like that. Few examples were ever made so I suspect their were some issue with it like when the AC supply was dodgy - ie brown outs and such like. It's safer to have the setting locked to the AC voltage where you live - and not have it jump to voltage doubling cos of a short term voltage drop. The PFC solution normally works brilliantly, long as the AC supply impedance is reasonably low. If there are hundreds of metres of 15amp cable between the load and the supply - all bets are off. Then, if the AC voltage drops, the load draws more current causing the voltage to drop more - and well you get the idea. ..... Phil |
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On Saturday, 21 September 2019 12:53:01 UTC+1, Phil Allison wrote:
Rob wrote: Phil Allison Wide input range SMPS without active PFC exist, but IME are less common. Before the PFC solution there were SMPS that used the standard rectifier/doubler setup with a TRIAC in place of the jumper that normally selects 120V/240V operation. ** Yeah - the cct starts off in the 240V position and jumps down to the 120V setting if the output voltage is much too low. Think makers called it "auto-select" or something like that. Few examples were ever made so I suspect their were some issue with it like when the AC supply was dodgy - ie brown outs and such like. It's safer to have the setting locked to the AC voltage where you live - and not have it jump to voltage doubling cos of a short term voltage drop. The PFC solution normally works brilliantly, long as the AC supply impedance is reasonably low. If there are hundreds of metres of 15amp cable between the load and the supply - all bets are off. Then, if the AC voltage drops, the load draws more current causing the voltage to drop more - and well you get the idea. .... Phil Safest is to simply design the psu to output the correct voltage with either 240 or 120 in. It's not a big problem to design an smpsu to cope with that from the get go, so there's no need for any bolt-ons to try to get round an inadequate working range. And that's exactly what most do. NT |
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Adam wrote:
----------- The typical PFC circuit is a boost regulator placed between the rectifier and the reservoir cap. In this way, the reservoir cap can charge during the entire AC cycle instead of only during the peaks, improving the power factor. ------------------------------------------------------------- ** Most PFC circuits have damn near sine wave current draw, so the PF is around 0.9 to 0.95. However, with the vast majority of domestic, electronic appliances this is of no advantage to the user or the supply system. Only lighting and computers are required to have good PFs in places like Europe and the US while the main reason for that is cos it allows twice as many of these to run from the same AC supply, compared to non PFC versions. Many buildings have hundreds of light fittings installed and large numbers of mains powered PCs for workers - and that is where it matters! FYI: domestic fridges, microwave ovens plus most washers and clothes driers have long had near sine wave current draw and so good power factors. But this also has the effect that the PWM circuit will see the same input voltage regardless of the line voltage. So, wide input range often comes along with PFC. ** Correct. ...... Phil |
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** Yeah - the cct starts off in the 240V position and jumps down to the 120V setting if the output voltage is much too low.
That's what I thought but being in a 120 volt country never had to deal with it. It's safer to have the setting locked to the AC voltage where you live - and not have it jump to voltage doubling cos of a short term voltage drop. That makes perfect sense in a 240 country. Here, it can't really hurt itself. There are some high power amps here that need 240. They just can't run on 120. Those don't switch down. Anyway yes, you are definitely better off with a switch. |
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On 20/09/2019 1:52 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
Hi to all my fans, just completed repairs on one of these: http://www.sound-power.ru/files/doc/..._datasheet.pdf Found it fitted inside a mini-size bass instrument amplifier, which the owner had just purchased over the net and failed on him at first power up. Smelling a rat, I checked the AC switch on the rear panel first - blow me down, it was set to 120VAC and we live in a 240V country. Reset the switch, then it drew zero AC current - no surprise. Replaced the blown 5AT fuse in the IcePower module and then the PSU began hiccupping - drawing an amp or two very briefly then shutting off every few seconds. IME feeding double AC supply voltage to a unit with a SMPS is almost always fatal, sure the AC fuse blows but semis in the HV part of the circuit fail in a fraction of a second. But these must be OK this time because the PSU was hiccupping - ie working but sensing an overload so shutting down. Soon enough, multimeter testing showed two small power mosfets on the output side of the SMPS tranny were shorted while two others seemed OK. But what the heck are mosfets doing there ? Well, it's the fist time I have come across seen a *synchronous rectifier* in such an unit. IcePower had certainly gone all out to reduce losses and heat in this module by using a synchronous bridge. The particular TO-252 fets here are made by ON, number FDD86110 rated at 100V and 8mohms on resistance. Removing the duds cleared all shorts and after fitting some new ones ( delivered to me by Element14, from their Singapore warehouse ) I gingerly Variaced the unit up from zero. No hiccupping this time and it began to run normally - after which it passed all my usual bench testing, no problems. FYI: AC current draw was 120mA at idle, 2.4A at full power (340W rms/4ohms) No PFC and inrush surges were about 25A for a few milliseconds. There was a residual sine wave signal on the audio output of about 1V at 500kHz - no biggie except it makes THD testing a right PITA. I find it odd the way the SMPS failed, just two mosfets in the secondary rectifier, nothing else. For a brief time, the DC supply to the switching fets must have been nearly double voltage. Seems the two rectifier fets failed SHORT instantly and protected the rest of the circuitry - remember the power supply is NOT regulated, just a square wave inverter running at 100kHz. I also feel that supplying an expensive amplifier to a buyer living in a 240V country with the AC inlet set to 120V and giving NO warning is criminal. BTW the amp was fitted with a regular IEC inlet which most of the world uses for 240VAC. Any comments? **IcePower is cheap ****. A Rotel receiver recently landed on my bench with a seriously damaged IcePower module. I requested a service manual from the importer (International Dynamics). The manual arrived and it was very comprehensive, EXCEPT that the IcePower modules (an output stage and power supply) were listed as blocks, with no schematics available. Since the damage was fairly extensive (some burned resistors and other dead bits and bobs), I just ordered a new module. Since it had to come from B&O, my client had to wait. FWIW: I've also had an earlier IcePower based amplifier in for service. When I posed questions to the manufacturer about the excessive levels of high frequency crap emanating from the amplifier, I was politely (well, not so politely) told that I should not be testing the amplifier! IcePower is cheap ****. Cleverly designed, but cheap. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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Trevor Wilson wrote:
----------------------- I also feel that supplying an expensive amplifier to a buyer living in a 240V country with the AC inlet set to 120V and giving NO warning is criminal. BTW the amp was fitted with a regular IEC inlet which most of the world uses for 240VAC. Any comments? **IcePower is cheap ****. ** TW seems to have missed the fact that the above is about some unknown agent selling bass amps to amateur musicians as "cardboard boxes" over the net. A Rotel receiver recently landed on my bench with a seriously damaged IcePower module. I requested a service manual from the importer (International Dynamics). The manual arrived and it was very comprehensive, EXCEPT that the IcePower modules (an output stage and power supply) were listed as blocks, with no schematics available. ** The modules are a mass of SMD - so essentially non repairable by audio techs with regular bench equipment only. FWIW: I've also had an earlier IcePower based amplifier in for service. When I posed questions to the manufacturer about the excessive levels of high frequency crap emanating from the amplifier, I was politely (well, not so politely) told that I should not be testing the amplifier! ** The one in question showed 2V rms at 500kHz across the bridge mode outputs. Completely harmless, far as I can tell. IcePower is cheap ****. Cleverly designed, but cheap. ** As usual, TW prefers his emotional opinions to fact so simply has no point to make. I have no issue with IcePower, the module suffered minimal damage from what has to be the worst imaginable accident. ..... Phil |
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** The one in question showed 2V rms at 500kHz across the bridge mode outputs.
Completely harmless, far as I can te Not if you got piezo tweeter, and some electrostatics. |
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Jeff Urban wrote:
----------------- ** The one in question showed 2V rms at 500kHz across the bridge mode outputs. Completely harmless, far as I can te Not if you got piezo tweeter, and some electrostatics. ** Mere supposition, not one tiny bit fact. The impedance of speakers at 500kHz is not a published spec, nor one tested by reviewers. So Jeff must be getting his info from where ? His arse maybe ? Some folk have a lot of data stored in there. ..... Phil |
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** Mere supposition, not one tiny bit fact.
No, here's a fact, THEY ARE CAPACITIVE. I have already had problems due to tape bias on those. Wasn't filtered out well enough. Couldn't hear the bias but you could definitely hear the hum. Fact is any HF leakage out that class D amp will see a near dead short on the load if it is piezo. The idea was efficiency. Don't got it like that. Sorry to intrude on your vision of perfection. |
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On 24/9/19 3:00 pm, Jeff Urban wrote:
** Mere supposition, not one tiny bit fact. No, here's a fact, THEY ARE CAPACITIVE. Piezo devices have all kinds of wacky high-Q resonances that push the impedance all around the place. Overall capacitive, but you should stick it on a VNA to learn the truth. Or just chuck them in the bin and replace them with something more recent than the 1980s. Piezo's make my ears hurt. Clifford Heath. |
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Jeff Urban is being Silly wrote:
** Mere supposition, not one tiny bit fact. No, here's a fact, THEY ARE CAPACITIVE. ** So is nearly everything... I have already had problems due to tape bias on those. ** Tape bias is not 500kHz, more like 50kHz. You were not using an IcePower module. Fact is any HF leakage out that class D amp will see a near dead short on the load if it is piezo. ** Horse manure. Firstly, the impedance of a twin lead speaker cable at 500kHz is 20 ohms or more - in series with the load. Secondly, nearly all piezo tweeters have an inbuilt 30ohm series resistor or a small lamp to protect them. Thirdly, a class D amp already has a large value cap DIRECTLY across the output to act as a filter. Sorry to intrude on your vision of perfection. ** Sorry to burst your bubble pal. I see you make no more mention of electrostats? I used to own Quad ELS and know lots about them plus most others. Wanna continue displaying you ignorance? ..... Phil |
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Clifford Heath wrote:
--------------------- Piezo devices have all kinds of wacky high-Q resonances that push the impedance all around the place. Overall capacitive, but you should stick it on a VNA to learn the truth. ** Some early versions were pretty much a 100 or 220nF cap. Speaker lead inductance, plus the usual series inductors built into linear amps, rendered them harmless. In any case, Class D amps are perfectly OK with capacitive loads. Despite what some NG Henny Penny is claiming .... ..... Phil |
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On Tuesday, 24 September 2019 06:00:48 UTC+1, Jeff Urban wrote:
** Mere supposition, not one tiny bit fact. No, here's a fact, THEY ARE CAPACITIVE. I have already had problems due to tape bias on those. Wasn't filtered out well enough. Couldn't hear the bias but you could definitely hear the hum.. Fact is any HF leakage out that class D amp will see a near dead short on the load if it is piezo. The idea was efficiency. Don't got it like that. Sorry to intrude on your vision of perfection. Piezo drivers are capacitive (albeit with a lot of resonance peaks/troughs), but piezo tweeters generlly include a transformer to raise the voltage, and are usually in series with an external resistance, since some amps don't like C loads. I've never measured one at half a megahertz, but expect it to look largely like a transformer at that f. NT |
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On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 8:37:14 PM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote:
** The modules are a mass of SMD - so essentially non repairable by audio techs with regular bench equipment only. .... Phil I can promise you that if you saw several of these a month, you would have by now acquired both the equipment (cheap enough) and the skill to do this in your sleep. Although SMD requires a learning curve, it is not difficult if the tech has decent hands and magnification. |
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On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 9:51:23 AM UTC-4, John-Del wrote:
On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 8:37:14 PM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote: ** The modules are a mass of SMD - so essentially non repairable by audio techs with regular bench equipment only. .... Phil I can promise you that if you saw several of these a month, you would have by now acquired both the equipment (cheap enough) and the skill to do this in your sleep. Although SMD requires a learning curve, it is not difficult if the tech has decent hands and magnification. It only took me abut 15 minutes to learn on 1206 & 0805 components, over 22 years ago. It wasn't long before I was working with 0402 and the occasional 0201 sizes which required a stereo microscope, due to my life long vision problems. |
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On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 2:57:04 PM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says... ** The modules are a mass of SMD - so essentially non repairable by audio techs with regular bench equipment only. .... Phil I can promise you that if you saw several of these a month, you would have by now acquired both the equipment (cheap enough) and the skill to do this in your sleep. Although SMD requires a learning curve, it is not difficult if the tech has decent hands and magnification. It only took me abut 15 minutes to learn on 1206 & 0805 components, over 22 years ago. It wasn't long before I was working with 0402 and the occasional 0201 sizes which required a stereo microscope, due to my life long vision problems. I don't know about those modules, but for about $ 500 or less you can get set up for SMD repair. I bought the Stereo microscope for $ 200, and a cheep hot air and soldering iron setup for about $ 70. This is a hobby, I would spend about 3 to 4 hundred for a good hot air station if repairing them all the time. Then a few more dollars for fine solder and tweezers. And FLUX! Flux is a magic elixer when it comes to SMD work. I watched youtube and practiced on some old computer boards. I was 65 at the time. There may be some components that have multi leads under the device that may require lots of practice. Many modern SMD ics use a heat sink belly pan even if the IC has conventional leads. These must be heated by air to release the bottom pan. I've even seen 8 pin buck ICs that look totally conventional, but have a belly pan. Before removing, check the datasheet to see if it has one. If it doesn't have a belly pan, blob both sides of the IC and lift off with tweezers. One trick I taught my students was to take a Dremel and *carefully* mill down the top of the defective IC until the die of the IC was exposed. In this way, the IC would heat much more quickly from the top and release in far less time in order to reduce collateral damage to the PC or surrounding devices. |
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John-Del wrote:
-------------- Phil Allison wrote: ** The modules are a mass of SMD - so essentially non repairable by audio techs with regular bench equipment only. I can promise you that if you saw several of these a month, you would have by now acquired both the equipment (cheap enough) and the skill to do this in your sleep. ** The bigger issue with SMD boards is that makers do not expect them to be repaired so discourage service techs from even attempting. To this end, they make NO service info available, provide NO schematics and sell NO spare parts that go on such boards. Invariably, the PCBs are double sided with vias, making visual circuit tracing a nightmare and hence fault diagnosis too. By sheer dint of effort I have fixed a number of items that used SMD, sometimes using regular parts to relace SMD versions. One ( famous Italian make ) powered speaker PCB was possessed with heat sensitive intermittents that another good tech could not fix. I found a faulty via and fixed that - then found about 20 others after applying heat to them individually using a soldering iron tip. Some of the vias were solder filled, so not so easy to run a wire through. BTW: My eyesight is Ok and I have a magnifying glass - I still fix broken, hair fine wires on Accutronics reverb unit coils ( ones with plugs and sockets) rather then replace the whole tank. Investing in SMS gear and a stock of parts would NOT be sensible or economic. ...... Phil |
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We could supply Krone module,MDF block,wiring block,STB module,Etc | UK diy | |||
We could supply Krone module,MDF block,wiring block,STB module,Etc | UK diy |