Hi, I want to adjust the picture geometry on my 1993 Panasonic TC26-L1R
(chassis M16M) crt tv. The picture is zoomed in and there are parts in sides
and upper border which are not visible. I have found a service manual on the
web, but unfortunately in Russian. I have tried to download english service
manuals of the models having same built in chassis to acquire information
comparing the texts. It seems there is no info about entering the service
menu or adjusting the picture geometry in the service manual. I would be
very grateful if anybody can tell me how to enter the service menu, how to
ONLY adjust the picture geometry and how to eventually get out without
damaging other settings or having an ugly CHK sign shown on screen.

"AR"

Hi, I want to adjust the picture geometry on my 1993 Panasonic TC26-L1R
(chassis M16M) crt tv. The picture is zoomed in and there are parts in
sides and upper border which are not visible.


** The usual cause of an oversize pic is because the EHT voltage is low.

If the pic size also changes with brightness, that indicates poor regulation
of the EHT.

EHT setting is normally via a trim pot on the main PCB.



..... Phil

Pictures don't just get bigger. The only way for that to happen is as Phil said, something happens to the HV, but that only applies to sets with separate HV and horiz. sweep. Your set DOES not have it I can be almost 100% sure. Panasonic simply did not do that any more. Maybe in a Sony or Mits. So no fingerpoken ! (or it's digital equivalent) Plus, Panasonic sevice menus are unfriendly and unforgiving.

What is very likely is that you are watching it through a set top or cable box. Most of the modern cable boxes at least have aspect settings to accomodate newer sets with 16:9 aspect ratios. This is where the problem usually is. With a set top or dable box, go all the wasy thorugh the menus to find things like "aspect", "zoom" and the like.

In case you are not using a set top or cable box, or even if you are, go through the user menu on the TV as well to find similar settings because quite a few of the more modern 4:3 sets also have then, to fill the screen on 16:9 material.

For it to require adjustment in the service menu, two parameters in EPROM would have to increase. Two out of maybe 100.

Ain't happenin.

Pictures don't just get bigger. The only way for that to happen
is as Phil said, something happens to the HV, but that only applies
to sets with separate HV and horiz. sweep.

I have trouble imagining a set with separate horizontal sweep and HV --
especially a set with a reasonably sized CRT.

The "flyback" HV circuitry can certainly lose its regulation, while the sweep
continues to work correctly.

William Sommerwerck wrote:

Pictures don't just get bigger. The only way for that to happen
is as Phil said, something happens to the HV, but that only applies
to sets with separate HV and horiz. sweep.

I have trouble imagining a set with separate horizontal sweep and HV --
especially a set with a reasonably sized CRT.

The "flyback" HV circuitry can certainly lose its regulation, while the sweep
continues to work correctly.


CRT VGA monitors.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
William Sommerwerck wrote:

Pictures don't just get bigger. The only way for that to happen
is as Phil said, something happens to the HV, but that only applies
to sets with separate HV and horiz. sweep.

I have trouble imagining a set with separate horizontal sweep and HV --
especially a set with a reasonably sized CRT.

The "flyback" HV circuitry can certainly lose its regulation, while the
sweep
continues to work correctly.

CRT VGA monitors.

I said set, not monitor. And I assume you're referring to auto-sync monitors.
In a flyback HV system, you'd have trouble maintaining a constant HV as the
sweep frequency changed.

"

I have trouble imagining a set with separate horizontal sweep and HV --
especially a set with a reasonably sized CRT."

One comes to mind, the Sony KX 2501. It was dubbed Profeel. It had separate HV and sweep. It was a bit strange oin a way, under secrtain conditons wwhen the scene got brighter the raster shrunk slightly because of the mass of the electron beam. That is why three tube CRT based projectors have these seemingly useless couple hundred Kohm resistors or whatever in series with EACH CRT anode lead inside the HV splitter. This compensated the deflection sensitivity, if not, the convergence woulg tet thrown off with changes in scene brightness.

Quite a few monitor quality sets used disctrete HV. Proton, Sony, Mits., Pioneer. The fad didn't last long because back then component count mattered. now it does not as much.

The practice did continue with Sony in direct views into the XBR400 series at least, and then others did also. Ironically, Sony abandoned it.

In the latest CRT based RPTVs, they use an algorythm in the jungle IC to modify the geometry to compensate for both the variation of voltage and current in the HV, or ultor voltage. They stopped regulating it. You saw nothing..

I remember when a weak 3A3 would give you a zoom effect from the brightness control. That HV load made a loss across the HV rectifier only, and did not affect the sweep.

William Sommerwerck wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
William Sommerwerck wrote:

Pictures don't just get bigger. The only way for that to happen
is as Phil said, something happens to the HV, but that only applies
to sets with separate HV and horiz. sweep.

I have trouble imagining a set with separate horizontal sweep and HV --
especially a set with a reasonably sized CRT.

The "flyback" HV circuitry can certainly lose its regulation, while the
sweep
continues to work correctly.

CRT VGA monitors.

I said set, not monitor. And I assume you're referring to auto-sync monitors.
In a flyback HV system, you'd have trouble maintaining a constant HV as the
sweep frequency changed.


That is why they used seperate circuits for HV and H sweep. Some of
those monitors could also display NTSC, and were used as TV sets. I
have a dying Samsyng LCD monitor here with a place to install a ATSC TV
tuner, so the concept didn't go away with flat panel displays.

wrote:

"

I have trouble imagining a set with separate horizontal sweep and HV --
especially a set with a reasonably sized CRT."

One comes to mind, the Sony KX 2501. It was dubbed Profeel. It had separate HV and sweep. It was a bit strange oin a way, under secrtain conditons wwhen the scene got brighter the raster shrunk slightly because of the mass of the electron beam. That is why three tube CRT based projectors have these seemingly useless couple hundred Kohm resistors or whatever in series with EACH CRT anode lead inside the HV splitter. This compensated the deflection sensitivity, if not, the convergence woulg tet thrown off with changes in scene brightness.

Quite a few monitor quality sets used disctrete HV. Proton, Sony, Mits., Pioneer. The fad didn't last long because back then component count mattered. now it does not as much.

The practice did continue with Sony in direct views into the XBR400 series at least, and then others did also. Ironically, Sony abandoned it.

In the latest CRT based RPTVs, they use an algorythm in the jungle IC to modify the geometry to compensate for both the variation of voltage and current in the HV, or ultor voltage. They stopped regulating it. You saw nothing.

I remember when a weak 3A3 would give you a zoom effect from the brightness control. That HV load made a loss across the HV rectifier only, and did not affect the sweep.


Do you remember the Zenith color TV with "built in zoom"? I think
that was the same chassis had their silly 'Phonevision' to answer the
phone through your TV.

The old Zenith with zoom, oh yeah. However those didn't really vary the HV, at least not on purpose. The modified the H pulse to the yoke and cranked the V height.

When you get to the HD TV sets, you will find some with separate HV because alot of them didn't actualy upconvert. You had 1080i and 480p, a 480i signal really just went through a line doubler. RCAs dealt with the differences in sweep using the flyback, in fact in the DTV3XX series they varied the B+ voltage to compensate. That's why there aren't too many of them around anymore, it was not a good idea. The ITC and ATC chassis were quite a bit more reliable.

The HD Sonys have a separate flyback driven from a totem pole of two MOSFETs. The frequency is does not give a **** Hz, but it is higher than the sweep, which seems like a good idea.

Separate HV was really popular in CRT based RPTVs. In those, it solved alot of problems all at once.

I can't think of any Panasonic direct views with separate HV, and now that I mention it, neither in their RPTVs. There could be a model or two out there I have not seen though.