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Sad to learn of the passing of Jim Marshall this week, after him not being
very well for some time now. He was 88 years old.

I know that we are sometimes less than kind on here about some of his
company's products, and certainly with some justification in many cases, but
the fact remains that over the years, his amplification products have had a
significant impact on the music business, and overall, have been up there
with the best. Condolences to his family.

RIP, Jim ... :-(

Arfa

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Sad to learn of the passing of Jim Marshall this week, after him not being
very well for some time now. He was 88 years old.

I know that we are sometimes less than kind on here about some of his
company's products, and certainly with some justification in many cases,

but
the fact remains that over the years, his amplification products have had

a
significant impact on the music business, and overall, have been up there
with the best. Condolences to his family.

RIP, Jim ... :-(

Arfa



Didn't he start out as a dancer?, perhaps he picked up his electronics
knowledge on a 2LO version of s.e.r . The archive clip I saw on the news
yesterday of the factory was of somone banging the white plastic sig logo,
onto the front of an amp, with a large steel hammer - nuff said.


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"Arfa Daily"

Sad to learn of the passing of Jim Marshall this week, after him not being
very well for some time now. He was 88 years old.

I know that we are sometimes less than kind on here about some of his
company's products, and certainly with some justification in many cases,
but the fact remains that over the years, his amplification products have
had a significant impact on the music business, and overall, have been up
there with the best.



** As a long time repairer of guitar amplifiers, I can safely state that at
no
time did the Marshall company ever show any sign of any expertise at either
design or manufacture of valve guitar amplifiers. This is still true today.

The original model was cobbled together by a two service techs under the
direction of a drummer ( Jim himself ) - a rough copy of a Fender Bassman -
it was pretty horrible.

Later models incorporated several changes, including the use of EL34s, that
made the design worse and very prone to self destruction.

Marshall's success in the marketplace was DESPITE the actual product, not
because of it. Endorsement from Jimi Hendrix and others was the main
reason for any sales success.

AFAIK, Jim Marshall never took any credit for the designs nor accepted any
blame for their many shortcomings either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshal...cation#History


.... Phil




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"Arfa Daily"

Sad to learn of the passing of Jim Marshall this week, after him not being
very well for some time now. He was 88 years old.

I know that we are sometimes less than kind on here about some of his
company's products, and certainly with some justification in many cases,
but the fact remains that over the years, his amplification products have
had a significant impact on the music business, and overall, have been up
there with the best.



** As a long time repairer of guitar amplifiers, I can safely state that at
no
time did the Marshall company ever show any sign of any expertise at either
design or manufacture of valve guitar amplifiers. This is still true today.

The original model was cobbled together by a two service techs under the
direction of a drummer ( Jim himself ) - a rough copy of a Fender Bassman -
it was pretty horrible.

Later models incorporated several changes, including the use of EL34s, that
made the design worse and very prone to self destruction.

Marshall's success in the marketplace was DESPITE the actual product, not
because of it. Endorsement from Jimi Hendrix and others was the main
reason for any sales success.

AFAIK, Jim Marshall never took any credit for the designs nor accepted any
blame for their many shortcomings either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshal...cation#History


... Phil



Whilst your observations are true of some of their products, and I would
agree that this has been the case from the outset, I think it is maybe a
little harsh to condemn all of their many designs over the years. I too
have been repairing their products since the seventies, and met Jim on
several occasions in the early days through a mutual friend (their UK
factory is close to where I live). I always found him quite a
decent-seeming guy with what appeared to be a genuine passion for
producing a quality product that was different from the Fenders and Voxs
of the day.

Again, I think it is a little unfair to the company to say that they
have succceeded *despite* their designs. For sure, their case would have
been helped by testament from the likes of Hendrix, but their equipment
has been used and endorsed over the years by many famous top class and
long-lived musicians, and to say that they are effectively wrong to
provide such endorsements, and to continue to buy Marshall equipment, is
to call these people stupid, which I'm sure they are not.

Marshall Amplification has been in business for some 50 years, and I
don't care how much they have 'created' a name for themselves, if the
equipment was as poor as you believe, they would not have survived in
such a competitive and limited specialist market. Many other
manufacturers of similar amplification equipment, including some good
British names from the same era, have not survived, so Marshall must
have been doing something fundamentally right.

I know that we'll probably never agree on this Phil, but I have no axe
to grind here, nor any particular allegiance to the Marshall company,
other than that their products keep earning me a living - but then so do
Fender and Trashdown and Soldano and many others.

I just thought it appropriate to comment here amongst fellow engineers,
on the passing of someone who has been instrumental in keeping valve
technology alive in this equipment, and whose company has sought over
the years to stay at the leading edge of technology as it has become
available - with or without the level of success of others.

No matter what, it *is* the end of a bit of history, but I hope that the
rest of his family who work in the business now, have the heart and
business accumen, to keep it trading successfully for another 50 years ...

Arfa

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"Arfa Daily"

** As a long time repairer of guitar amplifiers, I can safely state that
at no time did the Marshall company ever show any sign of any expertise
at
either design or manufacture of valve guitar amplifiers. This is still
true today.

The original model was cobbled together by a two service techs under the
direction of a drummer ( Jim himself ) - a rough copy of a Fender
Bassman -
it was pretty horrible.

Later models incorporated several changes, including the use of EL34s,
that
made the design worse and very prone to self destruction.

Marshall's success in the marketplace was DESPITE the actual product, not
because of it. Endorsement from Jimi Hendrix and others was the main
reason for any sales success.

AFAIK, Jim Marshall never took any credit for the designs nor accepted
any
blame for their many shortcomings either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshal...cation#History



Whilst your observations are true of some of their products,


** Its is true of all of them.


and I would agree that this has been the case from the outset, I think it
is maybe a little harsh to condemn all of their many designs over the
years.


** The designs are all poor and Jim did not do them.


Again, I think it is a little unfair to the company to say that they have
succeeded *despite* their designs.


** It is an inescapable conclusion based on obvious facts.


their case would have been helped by testament from the likes of Hendrix,


** You are rewording my post - leave it ALONE !!!

Hendrix used Marshalls on stage, AFAIK that is all he did.


Marshall Amplification has been in business for some 50 years, and I don't
care how much they have 'created' a name for themselves, if the equipment
was as poor as you believe, they would not have survived in such a
competitive and limited specialist market.


** You ****wit opinion - contrary to all the facts.


I know that we'll probably never agree on this Phil, but I have no axe to
grind here, nor any particular allegiance to the Marshall company, other
than that their products keep earning me a living - but then so do Fender
and Trashdown and Soldano and many others.


** So you have NEVER worked out why Marshalls blow EL34 valves and OTs all
the time ?

When the most other brands do not.


I just thought it appropriate to comment here amongst fellow engineers, on
the passing of someone who has been instrumental in keeping valve
technology alive in this equipment,


** That is where you are 100% wrong.

Jim Marshall never had anything to do with the electronics design of amps
sold under his name. Manufacture has been carried out by others since 1980s
with Jim only acting as a figure head for marketing purposes.

Jim has been to Sydney once or twice and in the early 80s was a guest
speaker at a music gear convention. Before Jim spoke, the MD advised the
audience that there were to be NO questions about the famous unreliability
of Marshalls cos Jim was not personally involved in their manufacture.

Get real.


..... Phil




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Let no one say that you're anything if not predictable, Philip ...

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"Arfa Daily = Dickhead "

Let no one say that you're anything if not predictable, Philip ...



** You ****wit opinion - contrary to all the facts.

Totally predictable for geriatric, autistic, know nothing pommy ******s.



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their case would have been helped by testament from the likes of Hendrix,


** You are rewording my post - leave it ALONE !!!



I wasn't rewording it - I was re-quoting it to actually AGREE with you, you
dopey ****



Hendrix used Marshalls on stage, AFAIK that is all he did.



What, he didn't play through them ? Just used them to stand his cup of tea
on did he ? You invent this crap as you go along to try and make yourself
sound clever. You need to engage that dull witted brain of yours and
actually read what people say before you start your normal stupid running
off at the mouth.




Marshall Amplification has been in business for some 50 years, and I
don't care how much they have 'created' a name for themselves, if the
equipment was as poor as you believe, they would not have survived in
such a competitive and limited specialist market.


** You ****wit opinion - contrary to all the facts.



You are the ****wit Philip, as you clearly understand nothing about the
principles of both being, and more importantly STAYING in business ...




I know that we'll probably never agree on this Phil, but I have no axe to
grind here, nor any particular allegiance to the Marshall company, other
than that their products keep earning me a living - but then so do Fender
and Trashdown and Soldano and many others.


** So you have NEVER worked out why Marshalls blow EL34 valves and OTs all
the time ?

When the most other brands do not.


I just thought it appropriate to comment here amongst fellow engineers,
on the passing of someone who has been instrumental in keeping valve
technology alive in this equipment,


** That is where you are 100% wrong.

Jim Marshall never had anything to do with the electronics design of amps
sold under his name.



Read what I said. Did I ever say that he had anything to do with physical
design ? He owned and ran the company. He was an iconic figure well known
throughout the world of musical amplification. His company, under his
leadership, continued to build valve amplifiers. Ergo, he was instrumental
in keeping the technology alive (through his company)

Manufacture has been carried out by others since 1980s

Some has

with Jim only acting as a figure head for marketing purposes.


Of course that's the case. He owns the ****ing company for Christ's sake.
What else do you expect him to do ? Does Alan Sugar solder resistors into
boards ? No, of course he doesn't. Does Branson sell CD's behind the counter
in his his shops ? No.



Jim has been to Sydney once or twice and in the early 80s was a guest
speaker at a music gear convention. Before Jim spoke, the MD advised the
audience that there were to be NO questions about the famous unreliability
of Marshalls cos Jim was not personally involved in their manufacture.


And the point is ??



Get real.


You too, pal. You too ...

Arfa


.... Phil


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their case would have been helped by testament from the likes of
Hendrix,


** You are rewording my post - leave it ALONE !!!



I wasn't rewording it - I was re-quoting it to actually AGREE with you,



** Those are NOT my words, that is NOT what I posted and NOT what I think.

You stinking pommy ****HEAD !!


Hendrix used Marshalls on stage, AFAIK that is all he did.



What, he didn't play through them ?


** FFS - you bloody IDIOT !!!

What does the word " used " imply ?????????????

My GOD you are a stinking pommy ****HEAD !!




Marshall Amplification has been in business for some 50 years, and I
don't care how much they have 'created' a name for themselves, if the
equipment was as poor as you believe, they would not have survived in
such a competitive and limited specialist market.


** You ****wit opinion - contrary to all the facts.



I know that we'll probably never agree on this Phil, but I have no axe
to grind here, nor any particular allegiance to the Marshall company,
other than that their products keep earning me a living - but then so do
Fender and Trashdown and Soldano and many others.


** So you have NEVER worked out why Marshalls blow EL34 valves and OTs
all the time ?

When the most other brands do not.


I just thought it appropriate to comment here amongst fellow engineers,
on the passing of someone who has been instrumental in keeping valve
technology alive in this equipment,


** That is where you are 100% wrong.

Jim Marshall never had anything to do with the electronics design of amps
sold under his name.



Read what I said. Did I ever say that he had anything to do with physical
design ? He owned and ran the company. He was an iconic figure well known
throughout the world of musical amplification. His company, under his
leadership, continued to build valve amplifiers. Ergo, he was instrumental
in keeping the technology alive (through his company)

Manufacture has been carried out by others since 1980s with Jim only
acting as a figure head for marketing purposes.

Of course that's the case.



** Which COMPLETELY destroys all your asinine points.

You stinking pommy ****HEAD !!


He owns the ****ing company for Christ's sake.



** He sold control of Marshall Amplification in the 1980s and remained only
in a figure head role.


Jim has been to Sydney once or twice and in the early 80s was a guest
speaker at a music gear convention. Before Jim spoke, the MD advised the
audience that there were to be NO questions about the famous
unreliability of Marshalls cos Jim was not personally involved in their
manufacture.


And the point is ??



** Backs up everything I said.

You stinking pommy ****HEAD !!


..... Phil


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"Arfa Daily = MORON "


Philip Allison = Antipodean Arsewipe




their case would have been helped by testament from the likes of
Hendrix,

** You are rewording my post - leave it ALONE !!!



I wasn't rewording it - I was re-quoting it to actually AGREE with you,



** Those are NOT my words, that is NOT what I posted and NOT what I
think.

You stinking pommy ****HEAD !!




You really *are* STUPID to the nth degree Philip. Do you realise what a
pedantic dickhead you are making yourself sound ? Again.




Hendrix used Marshalls on stage, AFAIK that is all he did.



What, he didn't play through them ?


** FFS - you bloody IDIOT !!!

What does the word " used " imply ?????????????

My GOD you are a stinking pommy ****HEAD !!




Ah, ok. I get it now. He played them on stage, but secretly, he hated the
sound they made. Obviously, they did nothing for his sound, and it was pure
luck that they didn't leave him total obscurity. I expect when he wasn't on
stage, he probably used Fenders in his bathroom to get the right degree of
reverb. And in the studio ? Well, something else obviously, as you wouldn't
want your records to sound like your stage performances, would you ? I mean
someone might actually have recognised who he was, and bought his records
and made him famous ...







Marshall Amplification has been in business for some 50 years, and I
don't care how much they have 'created' a name for themselves, if the
equipment was as poor as you believe, they would not have survived in
such a competitive and limited specialist market.

** You ****wit opinion - contrary to all the facts.



I know that we'll probably never agree on this Phil, but I have no axe
to grind here, nor any particular allegiance to the Marshall company,
other than that their products keep earning me a living - but then so
do Fender and Trashdown and Soldano and many others.

** So you have NEVER worked out why Marshalls blow EL34 valves and OTs
all the time ?

When the most other brands do not.


I just thought it appropriate to comment here amongst fellow engineers,
on the passing of someone who has been instrumental in keeping valve
technology alive in this equipment,

** That is where you are 100% wrong.

Jim Marshall never had anything to do with the electronics design of
amps sold under his name.



Read what I said. Did I ever say that he had anything to do with physical
design ? He owned and ran the company. He was an iconic figure well known
throughout the world of musical amplification. His company, under his
leadership, continued to build valve amplifiers. Ergo, he was
instrumental in keeping the technology alive (through his company)

Manufacture has been carried out by others since 1980s with Jim only
acting as a figure head for marketing purposes.

Of course that's the case.



** Which COMPLETELY destroys all your asinine points.




It does no such thing if you don't selectively cut other bits out to help
your pathetically weak rant ...

You really never got beyond 3rd grade reading did you ? Did the retard
school that you obviously went to ever teach comprehension in amongst its
English Language lessons ? I rather suspect not, otherwise you wouldn't
manage to misunderstand everything everyone says to you in every post. You
know what your problem is Philip ? You're so busy frothing at the mouth that
you never actually stop to consider how stupid everyone thinks you are with
your CAPITAL LETTERS, exclamation marks !!!!!!!!!!!!!! and idiotic stars
************* to say nothing of your child-like bucket mouth. And not only
on here. I see that you are trotting out the same crap, all neatly cut and
pasted because you can't actually come up with more than one original
thought at a time, over on S.E.D ...



You stinking pommy ****HEAD !!


He owns the ****ing company for Christ's sake.



** He sold control of Marshall Amplification in the 1980s and remained
only in a figure head role.




Sold it to whom ? And even if he did, his entire family work in executive
roles in the company, so still retain overall control. They have a factory
in the UK. It is still where it was originally, just down the road from
where I live. And it's 'figurehead' all in one word ...




Jim has been to Sydney once or twice and in the early 80s was a guest
speaker at a music gear convention. Before Jim spoke, the MD advised the
audience that there were to be NO questions about the famous
unreliability of Marshalls cos Jim was not personally involved in their
manufacture.


And the point is ??



** Backs up everything I said.




Backs up nothing. You are delusional, thick, and a total unmitigated ****.
As ever.



You stinking pommy ****HEAD !!



Takes one to know one. Now do as I always have to tell you to, Philip. Crawl
back into your pit, close the curtains, take your meds, and don't come back
until you feel better. Run along now, child ...

Arfa

.... Phil


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