"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
news
In article , William Sommerwerck
writes

I hate callbacks. I would use lead-based solder on repairs.

Me too, made sure I'm well stocked up on lead-based solder.

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(='.'=)
(")_(")



There is no shortage of lead-based solder, nor is there likely to be in the
near future. There is still plenty of equipment in the market which is
produced by sectors that have an exemption for their product class, and
equipment produced and owned from before June 2006. In both of these cases,
it is acceptable - and indeed desirable - to use lead-based solder for
repairs, modifications and upgrades.

Arfa

Phil Allison wrote:

"Adrian Tuddenham"

Of course. The increased number of failures due solely to solder
joints has kept many a service department busy. Reworking with
"decent" solder is the simplest treatment.

Not in Europe it isn't. There are heavy fines for doing that.


** The fines may exist in theory, but can you show if anyone has been fined
for using the wrong solder for repairs ?

There are many obvious, simple defences to such a charge and almost no way
to get caught.

Get real.


..... Phil

Europeans are the biggest whining sissies on the planet. There's simply no
other way to put it.

I'm in the US, we can do whatever we want with lead.

"Cydrome Leader"

Europeans are the biggest whining sissies on the planet. There's simply no
other way to put it.

I'm in the US, we can do whatever we want with lead.


** As Steve McQueen said in "The Magnificent Seven"

" We deal in lead, friend. "


...... Phil

"Cydrome Leader" wrote in message
...
Phil Allison wrote:

"Adrian Tuddenham"

Of course. The increased number of failures due solely to solder
joints has kept many a service department busy. Reworking with
"decent" solder is the simplest treatment.

Not in Europe it isn't. There are heavy fines for doing that.


** The fines may exist in theory, but can you show if anyone has been
fined
for using the wrong solder for repairs ?

There are many obvious, simple defences to such a charge and almost no
way
to get caught.

Get real.


..... Phil

Europeans are the biggest whining sissies on the planet. There's simply no
other way to put it.

I'm in the US, we can do whatever we want with lead.



Please don't lump the British with the "Europeans". We aren't Europeans in
any way other than an enforced political condition. We never have been and
never will be, and if a lot of people over here had their way, we would also
get out of the political tie-ups to allow us to govern ourselves and make
our own laws again, without interference from Brussels

Arfa

"Arfa Daily"

Please don't lump the British with the "Europeans". We aren't Europeans in
any way other than an enforced political condition. We never have been and
never will be, and if a lot of people over here had their way, we would
also get out of the political tie-ups to allow us to govern ourselves and
make our own laws again, without interference from Brussels



** Do you recall the episode of " Yes Minister " where the topic was the
impending EU directive re the " Euro Sausage".

Folk generally mistake that show for a comedy, when it was clearly a
instructive documentary.



..... Phil

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

"Arfa Daily"

Please don't lump the British with the "Europeans". We aren't Europeans
in any way other than an enforced political condition. We never have been
and never will be, and if a lot of people over here had their way, we
would also get out of the political tie-ups to allow us to govern
ourselves and make our own laws again, without interference from Brussels



** Do you recall the episode of " Yes Minister " where the topic was the
impending EU directive re the " Euro Sausage".

Folk generally mistake that show for a comedy, when it was clearly a
instructive documentary.

+1

On Apr 21, 5:07*pm, "Charles" wrote:
Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices and
equipment?

If it's as bad as the lead-free plumbing solder, expect
poor wetting and tendency to set cold. 63/37 tin-lead
can't be beat. Fast, and joints look like they're soldered
with Sterling silver.

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

"Arfa Daily"

Please don't lump the British with the "Europeans". We aren't Europeans
in any way other than an enforced political condition. We never have been
and never will be, and if a lot of people over here had their way, we
would also get out of the political tie-ups to allow us to govern
ourselves and make our own laws again, without interference from Brussels



** Do you recall the episode of " Yes Minister " where the topic was the
impending EU directive re the " Euro Sausage".

Folk generally mistake that show for a comedy, when it was clearly a
instructive documentary.



.... Phil


For once Phil, very insightful ...

Arfa

"Father Haskell" wrote in message
...

On Apr 21, 5:07 pm, "Charles" wrote:
Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices and
equipment?

If it's as bad as the lead-free plumbing solder, expect
poor wetting and tendency to set cold. 63/37 tin-lead
can't be beat. Fast, and joints look like they're soldered
with Sterling silver.

The eutectic 63/37 alloy is still easy to buy. Perhaps the repair industry
is dodging the bullet fired at the manufacturing industry. Or, as several
have pointed out, it is impossible to enforce lead-free rules on the
repairers.

On Apr 25, 5:45*am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message

news
In article , William Sommerwerck
writes

I hate callbacks. I would use lead-based solder on repairs.

Me too, made sure I'm well stocked up on lead-based solder.

--
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

There is no shortage of lead-based solder, nor is there likely to be in the
near future. There is still plenty of equipment in the market which is
produced by sectors that have an exemption *for their product class, and
equipment produced and owned from before June 2006. In both of these cases,
it is acceptable - and indeed desirable - to use lead-based solder for
repairs, modifications and upgrades.

Arfa

I am running out of leaded plumbing solder. HELP!!

Greg

GS wrote:

On Apr 25, 5:45 am, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message

news
In article , William Sommerwerck
writes

I hate callbacks. I would use lead-based solder on repairs.

Me too, made sure I'm well stocked up on lead-based solder.

--
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

There is no shortage of lead-based solder, nor is there likely to be in the
near future. There is still plenty of equipment in the market which is
produced by sectors that have an exemption for their product class, and
equipment produced and owned from before June 2006. In both of these cases,
it is acceptable - and indeed desirable - to use lead-based solder for
repairs, modifications and upgrades.

Arfa

I am running out of leaded plumbing solder. HELP!!


Have you run out of plumbers to mug? ;-)


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

Charles wrote:

"Father Haskell" wrote in message
...

On Apr 21, 5:07 pm, "Charles" wrote:
Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices and
equipment?

If it's as bad as the lead-free plumbing solder, expect
poor wetting and tendency to set cold. 63/37 tin-lead
can't be beat. Fast, and joints look like they're soldered
with Sterling silver.

The eutectic 63/37 alloy is still easy to buy. Perhaps the repair industry
is dodging the bullet fired at the manufacturing industry. Or, as several
have pointed out, it is impossible to enforce lead-free rules on the
repairers.


Once again, you ignore the fact that Usenet isn't a US only medium.


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You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...


Charles wrote:

"Father Haskell" wrote in message
...

On Apr 21, 5:07 pm, "Charles" wrote:
Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices and
equipment?

If it's as bad as the lead-free plumbing solder, expect
poor wetting and tendency to set cold. 63/37 tin-lead
can't be beat. Fast, and joints look like they're soldered
with Sterling silver.

The eutectic 63/37 alloy is still easy to buy. Perhaps the repair
industry
is dodging the bullet fired at the manufacturing industry. Or, as several
have pointed out, it is impossible to enforce lead-free rules on the
repairers.


Once again, you ignore the fact that Usenet isn't a US only medium.

OK, please post your International summary of the legal use of leaded
solders for repairs, as of May, 2011.

Charles wrote:


"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...


Charles wrote:

"Father Haskell" wrote in message
...

On Apr 21, 5:07 pm, "Charles" wrote:
Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices and
equipment?

If it's as bad as the lead-free plumbing solder, expect
poor wetting and tendency to set cold. 63/37 tin-lead
can't be beat. Fast, and joints look like they're soldered
with Sterling silver.

The eutectic 63/37 alloy is still easy to buy. Perhaps the repair
industry
is dodging the bullet fired at the manufacturing industry. Or, as
several
have pointed out, it is impossible to enforce lead-free rules on the
repairers.


Once again, you ignore the fact that Usenet isn't a US only medium.

OK, please post your International summary of the legal use of leaded
solders for repairs, as of May, 2011.

Here is one UK manufacturer of leaded solder -

http://www.warton-metals.co.uk/barsolder.html

No idea on the legal status though.

John :-#)#

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Charles wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...

Charles wrote:
?
? "Father Haskell" wrote in message
? ...
?
? On Apr 21, 5:07 pm, "Charles" ? wrote:
? ? Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices and
? ? equipment?
?
? If it's as bad as the lead-free plumbing solder, expect
? poor wetting and tendency to set cold. 63/37 tin-lead
? can't be beat. Fast, and joints look like they're soldered
? with Sterling silver.
?
? The eutectic 63/37 alloy is still easy to buy. Perhaps the repair
? industry
? is dodging the bullet fired at the manufacturing industry. Or, as several
? have pointed out, it is impossible to enforce lead-free rules on the
? repairers.

Once again, you ignore the fact that Usenet isn't a US only medium.

OK, please post your International summary of the legal use of leaded
solders for repairs, as of May, 2011.


Do your own homework, school teacher.


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Teflon coated.

"Charles" wrote in message
...


"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...


Charles wrote:

"Father Haskell" wrote in message
...

On Apr 21, 5:07 pm, "Charles" wrote:
Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices and
equipment?

If it's as bad as the lead-free plumbing solder, expect
poor wetting and tendency to set cold. 63/37 tin-lead
can't be beat. Fast, and joints look like they're soldered
with Sterling silver.

The eutectic 63/37 alloy is still easy to buy. Perhaps the repair
industry
is dodging the bullet fired at the manufacturing industry. Or, as
several
have pointed out, it is impossible to enforce lead-free rules on the
repairers.


Once again, you ignore the fact that Usenet isn't a US only medium.

OK, please post your International summary of the legal use of leaded
solders for repairs, as of May, 2011.

Speaking purely for the situation in Europe, as far as I understand it, and
based on research I did for an article in a trade mag at the time of the
implementation of the directive enforcing RoHS, it is the legal requirement
that any repairs carried out to a piece of RoHS certified equipment, must
not compromise that certification in any way. That means that any
replacement components used must be like for like, or a suitable equivalent,
having a similar RoHS certification to the original part, and that any
solder used in the repair must be lead-free.

Whilst it is probably true that this diktat is, for all practical purposes,
unenforceable, it never-the-less remains that it is the legal position, and
I suppose, if some department wanted to get bloody-minded about it, they
probably could pick on someone, and make an example of them. Green mist and
eco-bollox are the current lynch-pins of European beaureaucracy, and I'm
sure that some little tin god would score big by bringing a successful
prosecution against some poor sod like me, so better to just grin and bear
it, no matter how much you hate the situation, and get on with it within the
rules ...

Arfa

John Robertson wrote in message
...
Charles wrote:


"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...


Charles wrote:

"Father Haskell" wrote in message

...

On Apr 21, 5:07 pm, "Charles" wrote:
Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices
and
equipment?

If it's as bad as the lead-free plumbing solder, expect
poor wetting and tendency to set cold. 63/37 tin-lead
can't be beat. Fast, and joints look like they're soldered
with Sterling silver.

The eutectic 63/37 alloy is still easy to buy. Perhaps the repair
industry
is dodging the bullet fired at the manufacturing industry. Or, as
several
have pointed out, it is impossible to enforce lead-free rules on the
repairers.


Once again, you ignore the fact that Usenet isn't a US only medium.

OK, please post your International summary of the legal use of leaded
solders for repairs, as of May, 2011.

Here is one UK manufacturer of leaded solder -

http://www.warton-metals.co.uk/barsolder.html

No idea on the legal status though.

John :-#)#

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Heaps of NOS lead solder for sale at much the same price as always has been
, at radio rallies around the UK. So by inference there must still be a
demand for it. Usually accompanied with disclaimer notices along the lines
"Sold for use for repairing old equipment only"

Just met the other problem . Do you have a leaded or non-leaded pcb in front
of you to deal with. ?
Current one a Fender amp, so USA and no RoHS stickers anywhere, but
component date of 2005, so before 2006, so one would assume it was leaded
solder from that info. Not taken apart yet but can see perhaps 10 ring
cracks in the solder around the valve bases, rear of pcb not seen yet. At
this stage I suspect PbF solder

John Robertson Inscribed thus:

Charles wrote:


"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...


Charles wrote:

"Father Haskell" wrote in message

...

On Apr 21, 5:07 pm, "Charles" wrote:
Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices
and equipment?

If it's as bad as the lead-free plumbing solder, expect
poor wetting and tendency to set cold. 63/37 tin-lead
can't be beat. Fast, and joints look like they're soldered
with Sterling silver.

The eutectic 63/37 alloy is still easy to buy. Perhaps the repair
industry
is dodging the bullet fired at the manufacturing industry. Or, as
several
have pointed out, it is impossible to enforce lead-free rules on the
repairers.


Once again, you ignore the fact that Usenet isn't a US only medium.

OK, please post your International summary of the legal use of leaded
solders for repairs, as of May, 2011.

Here is one UK manufacturer of leaded solder -

http://www.warton-metals.co.uk/barsolder.html

No association with Warton Metals, but I would highly recommend them !
They are one of the most courteous, knowledgeable and helpful companies
that I've encountered.

No idea on the legal status though.

John :-#)#


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Baron.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...




Do your own homework, school teacher.


Assuming that I am a school teacher, how does one do homework these days.
Usenet is off limits?

You can't fix RUDE, you just have to ignore it.

Charles wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

Do your own homework, school teacher.

Assuming that I am a school teacher, how does one do homework these days.
Usenet is off limits?


Are you saying that you lied when you claimed to have been a teacher?


You can't fix RUDE, you just have to ignore it.


OK. I'll ignore you. PLONK


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"N_Cook" wrote in message
...
John Robertson wrote in message
...
Charles wrote:


"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...


Charles wrote:

"Father Haskell" wrote in message

...

On Apr 21, 5:07 pm, "Charles" wrote:
Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices
and
equipment?

If it's as bad as the lead-free plumbing solder, expect
poor wetting and tendency to set cold. 63/37 tin-lead
can't be beat. Fast, and joints look like they're soldered
with Sterling silver.

The eutectic 63/37 alloy is still easy to buy. Perhaps the repair
industry
is dodging the bullet fired at the manufacturing industry. Or, as
several
have pointed out, it is impossible to enforce lead-free rules on the
repairers.


Once again, you ignore the fact that Usenet isn't a US only medium.

OK, please post your International summary of the legal use of leaded
solders for repairs, as of May, 2011.

Here is one UK manufacturer of leaded solder -

http://www.warton-metals.co.uk/barsolder.html

No idea on the legal status though.

John :-#)#

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Heaps of NOS lead solder for sale at much the same price as always has
been
, at radio rallies around the UK. So by inference there must still be a
demand for it. Usually accompanied with disclaimer notices along the lines
"Sold for use for repairing old equipment only"



The main people such as Farnell still stock it as a current item.

Arfa

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...






OK. I'll ignore you. PLONK


Bye bye.

"Charles" wrote in message ...



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m...






OK. I'll ignore you. PLONK


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