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How long do LED and/or LCD TVs last?
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How old is your LED/LCD TV; and, does it still work as it did when you first bought it? Keith |
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How long do LED and/or LCD TVs last?
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 13:04:00 +0000, Keith wrote:
All: How old is your LED/LCD TV; and, does it still work as it did when you first bought it? Keith The technology is only a couple years old. -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse |
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How long do LED and/or LCD TVs last?
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 13:04:00 +0000 (UTC), Keith
wrote: All: How old is your LED/LCD TV; and, does it still work as it did when you first bought it? Keith Most LED backlit TV manufacturers are claiming 100,000 hr lifetime. http://www.mimaki-ls.com/Pdf/appnote/AN-103%20LED%20Light%20Lifetime.pdf If you watch 8 hrs of TV per day, that's 12,500 days, or 34.2 years. However, that rating is the time to where the brightness deteriorates to *HALF* the original brightness. Methinks you will probably find it irritating well before that point. At a 30% drop, my guess(tm) is about 20,000 hrs or 6.8 years maximum before the wife and kids start to complain. The various color LED's deteriorate at different rates. In order for LED illumination to work, the TV needs to have the combined color balance continuously (dynamically) set to white, and will therefore automagically compensate for any color drift due to aging. You will probably notice some inconsistency in the background white level as individual LED's age at different rates (heavily dependent on temperature distribution). It's far too soon to tell if the crystal ball gazers and number jugglers are accurate for LED TV's. For practical purposes, assume that the TV will last 1 day longer than the warranty period, that overall quality will deteriorate as prices drop, and that repair parts will be unobtainable when it finally fails. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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How long do LED and/or LCD TVs last?
Jeff Liebermann wrote in
: On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 13:04:00 +0000 (UTC), Keith wrote: All: How old is your LED/LCD TV; and, does it still work as it did when you first bought it? Keith Most LED backlit TV manufacturers are claiming 100,000 hr lifetime. http://www.mimaki-ls.com/Pdf/appnote...%20Lifetime.pd f If you watch 8 hrs of TV per day, that's 12,500 days, or 34.2 years. However, that rating is the time to where the brightness deteriorates to *HALF* the original brightness. Methinks you will probably find it irritating well before that point. At a 30% drop, my guess(tm) is about 20,000 hrs or 6.8 years maximum before the wife and kids start to complain. The various color LED's deteriorate at different rates. In order for LED illumination to work, the TV needs to have the combined color balance continuously (dynamically) set to white, and will therefore automagically compensate for any color drift due to aging. You will probably notice some inconsistency in the background white level as individual LED's age at different rates (heavily dependent on temperature distribution). how does a TV "dynamically" set it's white balance? It's far too soon to tell if the crystal ball gazers and number jugglers are accurate for LED TV's. For practical purposes, assume that the TV will last 1 day longer than the warranty period, that overall quality will deteriorate as prices drop, and that repair parts will be unobtainable when it finally fails. LCD TVs are the ones that won't last long; the ones with fluorescent backlights using HV drivers. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
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How long do LED and/or LCD TVs last?
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:31:31 -0500, Jim Yanik
wrote: Mo "How Long do LCD TVs Last?" http://lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdtv/lcdtv-lifetime.shtml "LED TV Technology Pros and Cons" http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/led-tv/led-tv-pro-con.html The various color LED's deteriorate at different rates. In order for LED illumination to work, the TV needs to have the combined color balance continuously (dynamically) set to white, and will therefore automagically compensate for any color drift due to aging. You will probably notice some inconsistency in the background white level as individual LED's age at different rates (heavily dependent on temperature distribution). how does a TV "dynamically" set it's white balance? I was told that with edge lit LED TV's, there are some photo transistors scattered around the edge of the LCD along with the LED's. Turn on each color in sequence, measure the light output, and adjust the LED power to some desired reference. What I don't know is whether the algorithm involves increasing the current to the low output LED, which may cause a rather short lifetime, or whether it reduces the current to all the other LED's, which will cause overall reduced white output. I think the method is similar with back illuminated LED's (local dimming), but I don't have any details. I presume that there are patents on the topic, but I don't want to go digging right now. OLED (organic LED) panels are the ones that worry me. They are known to have a short lifetime (15,000 hrs to half brightness). "LED TV Local Dimming Backlighting vs. LED TV Edge lit Backlighting; Which is Better?" http://www.led-tvbuyingguide.com/ledtv/edge-light-vs-local-dimming.html LCD TVs are the ones that won't last long; the ones with fluorescent backlights using HV drivers. I see plenty of those panels in laptops using CCFL (cold cathode fluorescent) tubes. Some brands die early, but most of what I've seen lasts longer than the rest of the laptop. Unfortunately, perception is everything, and the expected lifetime of a laptop is probably about 8 years. My guess(tm) is that the expected lifetime of the TV is much longer. What I usually see in both laptops and TV's is a blown backlighting HV inverter circuit or board. The CCFL tubes don't seem to be a problem. However, I wouldn't worry much about failure rate. LCD will be obsolete once we get 3D projection TV as in Star Trek Holodeck. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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How long do LED and/or LCD TVs last?
On Oct 27, 9:30*am, Meat Plow wrote:
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 13:04:00 +0000, Keith wrote: All: *How old is your LED/LCD TV; and, does it still work as it did when you *first bought it? Keith The technology is only a couple years old. -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse _______________________ Depends on the settings. Having it calibrated will increase its life. Buy two of the same exact make & model. Run them continously until one of them quits. The catch is, take one of the sets out of "Vivid" or "Dynamic" mode and put in "Movie" mode. Guarantee you that one will outlast the one left in Vivid. Same goes for older 'tube' sets. First thing I did out of the box was lower the contrast to the midpoint position, and set color temp to medium or warm. -CC |
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How long do LED and/or LCD TVs last?
On 27/10/2010 21:08, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:31:31 -0500, Jim wrote: Mo "How Long do LCD TVs Last?" http://lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdtv/lcdtv-lifetime.shtml "LED TV Technology Pros and Cons" http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/led-tv/led-tv-pro-con.html The various color LED's deteriorate at different rates. In order for LED illumination to work, the TV needs to have the combined color balance continuously (dynamically) set to white, and will therefore automagically compensate for any color drift due to aging. You will probably notice some inconsistency in the background white level as individual LED's age at different rates (heavily dependent on temperature distribution). how does a TV "dynamically" set it's white balance? I was told that with edge lit LED TV's, there are some photo transistors scattered around the edge of the LCD along with the LED's. Turn on each color in sequence, measure the light output, and adjust the LED power to some desired reference. What I don't know is whether the algorithm involves increasing the current to the low output LED, which may cause a rather short lifetime, or whether it reduces the current to all the other LED's, which will cause overall reduced white output. I think the method is similar with back illuminated LED's (local dimming), but I don't have any details. I presume that there are patents on the topic, but I don't want to go digging right now. OLED (organic LED) panels are the ones that worry me. They are known to have a short lifetime (15,000 hrs to half brightness). "LED TV Local Dimming Backlighting vs. LED TV Edge lit Backlighting; Which is Better?" http://www.led-tvbuyingguide.com/ledtv/edge-light-vs-local-dimming.html LCD TVs are the ones that won't last long; the ones with fluorescent backlights using HV drivers. I see plenty of those panels in laptops using CCFL (cold cathode fluorescent) tubes. Some brands die early, but most of what I've seen lasts longer than the rest of the laptop. Unfortunately, perception is everything, and the expected lifetime of a laptop is probably about 8 years. My guess(tm) is that the expected lifetime of the TV is much longer. What I usually see in both laptops and TV's is a blown backlighting HV inverter circuit or board. The CCFL tubes don't seem to be a problem. However, I wouldn't worry much about failure rate. LCD will be obsolete once we get 3D projection TV as in Star Trek Holodeck. I thought the LED in LED tv was referring to the backlight method, rather that the actual screen itself. Maybe I'm not clued up. |
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