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SMPS Clicking...
Sorry if this is a bit of a novice question...
I have a SMPS in Plsama tv which upon powering up starts clicking... It seems to do it as it warms up or the load changes on the psu (screen going dark or getting light) As far as I can tell it isnt any relay doing this, even though It sounds like a relay. Ticking alone I could live with, although a bit annoying but the PSU also occasionally shuts down when cold. I am not 100% sure what is clicking.. The clicking noise seems to be coming from different locations at dfferent times, even possibly the X or Y sus boards. I have sprayed the whole thing down with freeze spray to no avail... It is built with PBF solder, so I guess bad solder joints are likely issue also. I have changed the obvious capacitors near heat sources excpet the two large 400v 250uf filter caps.. Removed and checked the filter caps and they checked good on my ESR meter. Any Idea what would be clikcing? Here is the board layout https://sites.google.com/site/chibamikey/PSU.JPG |
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"Michael Kennedy" mike@com wrote in message
... Sorry if this is a bit of a novice question... I have a SMPS in Plsama tv which upon powering up starts clicking... It seems to do it as it warms up or the load changes on the psu (screen going dark or getting light) As far as I can tell it isnt any relay doing this, even though It sounds like a relay. Ticking alone I could live with, although a bit annoying but the PSU also occasionally shuts down when cold. I am not 100% sure what is clicking.. The clicking noise seems to be coming from different locations at dfferent times, even possibly the X or Y sus boards. I have sprayed the whole thing down with freeze spray to no avail... It is built with PBF solder, so I guess bad solder joints are likely issue also. I have changed the obvious capacitors near heat sources excpet the two large 400v 250uf filter caps.. Removed and checked the filter caps and they checked good on my ESR meter. Any Idea what would be clikcing? Here is the board layout https://sites.google.com/site/chibamikey/PSU.JPG I have seen similar issues on Samsung plasmas resulting from bad solder connections at some switching transistors near the middle of the board. The eyelets are too small and need to be scraped a bit to enlarge them before resoldering. The board does look similar to yours. Maybe you'll get lucky. If not solder connections in there somewhere, failing capacitors would be the likely culprit, although this problem has been much more common on LCD sets. Plasmas I've seen don't seem to use the really cheap caps. Mark Z. |
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"Mark Zacharias" wrote in message b.com... "Michael Kennedy" mike@com wrote in message ... Sorry if this is a bit of a novice question... I have a SMPS in Plsama tv which upon powering up starts clicking... It seems to do it as it warms up or the load changes on the psu (screen going dark or getting light) As far as I can tell it isnt any relay doing this, even though It sounds like a relay. Ticking alone I could live with, although a bit annoying but the PSU also occasionally shuts down when cold. I am not 100% sure what is clicking.. The clicking noise seems to be coming from different locations at dfferent times, even possibly the X or Y sus boards. I have sprayed the whole thing down with freeze spray to no avail... It is built with PBF solder, so I guess bad solder joints are likely issue also. I have changed the obvious capacitors near heat sources excpet the two large 400v 250uf filter caps.. Removed and checked the filter caps and they checked good on my ESR meter. Any Idea what would be clikcing? Here is the board layout https://sites.google.com/site/chibamikey/PSU.JPG I have seen similar issues on Samsung plasmas resulting from bad solder connections at some switching transistors near the middle of the board. The eyelets are too small and need to be scraped a bit to enlarge them before resoldering. The board does look similar to yours. Maybe you'll get lucky. If not solder connections in there somewhere, failing capacitors would be the likely culprit, although this problem has been much more common on LCD sets. Plasmas I've seen don't seem to use the really cheap caps. Mark Z. Thanks you suggested that before.. I will get a closer look at the transistors and check out those eyelits.. I havent doent that yet, and probably would have forgot had you not replied. About the ticking.. It doesn't stop even with the power removed. It is almost if something is expanding and contracting, but makes the sound equilivant of a relay?! The really strange part is it doesn't seem to come from one consistant place.. |
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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:49:25 +0900, "Michael Kennedy"
wrote: "Mark Zacharias" wrote in message eb.com... "Michael Kennedy" mike@com wrote in message ... Sorry if this is a bit of a novice question... I have a SMPS in Plsama tv which upon powering up starts clicking... It seems to do it as it warms up or the load changes on the psu (screen going dark or getting light) As far as I can tell it isnt any relay doing this, even though It sounds like a relay. Ticking alone I could live with, although a bit annoying but the PSU also occasionally shuts down when cold. I am not 100% sure what is clicking.. The clicking noise seems to be coming from different locations at dfferent times, even possibly the X or Y sus boards. I have sprayed the whole thing down with freeze spray to no avail... It is built with PBF solder, so I guess bad solder joints are likely issue also. I have changed the obvious capacitors near heat sources excpet the two large 400v 250uf filter caps.. Removed and checked the filter caps and they checked good on my ESR meter. Any Idea what would be clikcing? Here is the board layout https://sites.google.com/site/chibamikey/PSU.JPG I have seen similar issues on Samsung plasmas resulting from bad solder connections at some switching transistors near the middle of the board. The eyelets are too small and need to be scraped a bit to enlarge them before resoldering. The board does look similar to yours. Maybe you'll get lucky. If not solder connections in there somewhere, failing capacitors would be the likely culprit, although this problem has been much more common on LCD sets. Plasmas I've seen don't seem to use the really cheap caps. Mark Z. Thanks you suggested that before.. I will get a closer look at the transistors and check out those eyelits.. I havent doent that yet, and probably would have forgot had you not replied. About the ticking.. It doesn't stop even with the power removed. It is almost if something is expanding and contracting, but makes the sound equilivant of a relay?! The really strange part is it doesn't seem to come from one consistant place.. Power removed or TV turned off? If it continues long after the set is turned off (but still connected to AC power) it is something in the standby power section of the main power supply. If it continues for hours after the set is unplugged, it's probably a cricket. PlainBill |
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On 2010-10-07 07:55:49 +0200, "Michael Kennedy" mike@com said:
Sorry if this is a bit of a novice question... I have a SMPS in Plsama tv which upon powering up starts clicking... It seems to do it as it warms up or the load changes on the psu (screen going dark or getting light) As far as I can tell it isnt any relay doing this, even though It sounds like a relay. Ticking alone I could live with, although a bit annoying but the PSU also occasionally shuts down when cold. I am not 100% sure what is clicking.. The clicking noise seems to be coming from different locations at dfferent times, even possibly the X or Y sus boards. I have sprayed the whole thing down with freeze spray to no avail... It is built with PBF solder, so I guess bad solder joints are likely issue also. I have changed the obvious capacitors near heat sources excpet the two large 400v 250uf filter caps.. Removed and checked the filter caps and they checked good on my ESR meter. Any Idea what would be clikcing? Here is the board layout https://sites.google.com/site/chibamikey/PSU.JPG I would change the main 400v capacitor clicks means this capacitor is almost dry ... regards, -- - Jean-Yves |
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SMPS Clicking...
Its got to stop sometime after its been unplugged. I do not think there are
any relays in todays plasma power boards, so the ticking is likely coming from a transformer. Its a ' special effect ' that happens when the power supply is loaded down somewhere, usually on one of the main DC outputs. The overload condition triggers an imbalance in the feedback circuirty, and the power supply cannot sustain itself with this condition present. You may want to check the temperature of the big heat sinks on the X-sus board at the peak of the problem, could be they are very hot. About the ticking.. It doesn't stop even with the power removed. It is almost if something is expanding and contracting, but makes the sound equilivant of a relay?! The really strange part is it doesn't seem to come from one consistant place.. |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:49:25 +0900, "Michael Kennedy" wrote: "Mark Zacharias" wrote in message web.com... "Michael Kennedy" mike@com wrote in message ... Sorry if this is a bit of a novice question... I have a SMPS in Plsama tv which upon powering up starts clicking... It seems to do it as it warms up or the load changes on the psu (screen going dark or getting light) As far as I can tell it isnt any relay doing this, even though It sounds like a relay. Ticking alone I could live with, although a bit annoying but the PSU also occasionally shuts down when cold. I am not 100% sure what is clicking.. The clicking noise seems to be coming from different locations at dfferent times, even possibly the X or Y sus boards. I have sprayed the whole thing down with freeze spray to no avail... It is built with PBF solder, so I guess bad solder joints are likely issue also. I have changed the obvious capacitors near heat sources excpet the two large 400v 250uf filter caps.. Removed and checked the filter caps and they checked good on my ESR meter. Any Idea what would be clikcing? Here is the board layout https://sites.google.com/site/chibamikey/PSU.JPG I have seen similar issues on Samsung plasmas resulting from bad solder connections at some switching transistors near the middle of the board. The eyelets are too small and need to be scraped a bit to enlarge them before resoldering. The board does look similar to yours. Maybe you'll get lucky. If not solder connections in there somewhere, failing capacitors would be the likely culprit, although this problem has been much more common on LCD sets. Plasmas I've seen don't seem to use the really cheap caps. Mark Z. Thanks you suggested that before.. I will get a closer look at the transistors and check out those eyelits.. I havent doent that yet, and probably would have forgot had you not replied. About the ticking.. It doesn't stop even with the power removed. It is almost if something is expanding and contracting, but makes the sound equilivant of a relay?! The really strange part is it doesn't seem to come from one consistant place.. Power removed or TV turned off? If it continues long after the set is turned off (but still connected to AC power) it is something in the standby power section of the main power supply. If it continues for hours after the set is unplugged, it's probably a cricket. PlainBill No its not hours, but at least 3 or 4 minutes.. Sounds like a realy clicking sometimes.. Other times not so loud.. Makes me think of expanding and contracting metal, although I cant see how that is possible given the low tempatures. |
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"Michael Kennedy" mike@com wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:49:25 +0900, "Michael Kennedy" wrote: "Mark Zacharias" wrote in message aweb.com... "Michael Kennedy" mike@com wrote in message ... Sorry if this is a bit of a novice question... I have a SMPS in Plsama tv which upon powering up starts clicking... It seems to do it as it warms up or the load changes on the psu (screen going dark or getting light) As far as I can tell it isnt any relay doing this, even though It sounds like a relay. Ticking alone I could live with, although a bit annoying but the PSU also occasionally shuts down when cold. I am not 100% sure what is clicking.. The clicking noise seems to be coming from different locations at dfferent times, even possibly the X or Y sus boards. I have sprayed the whole thing down with freeze spray to no avail... It is built with PBF solder, so I guess bad solder joints are likely issue also. I have changed the obvious capacitors near heat sources excpet the two large 400v 250uf filter caps.. Removed and checked the filter caps and they checked good on my ESR meter. Any Idea what would be clikcing? Here is the board layout https://sites.google.com/site/chibamikey/PSU.JPG I have seen similar issues on Samsung plasmas resulting from bad solder connections at some switching transistors near the middle of the board. The eyelets are too small and need to be scraped a bit to enlarge them before resoldering. The board does look similar to yours. Maybe you'll get lucky. If not solder connections in there somewhere, failing capacitors would be the likely culprit, although this problem has been much more common on LCD sets. Plasmas I've seen don't seem to use the really cheap caps. Mark Z. Thanks you suggested that before.. I will get a closer look at the transistors and check out those eyelits.. I havent doent that yet, and probably would have forgot had you not replied. About the ticking.. It doesn't stop even with the power removed. It is almost if something is expanding and contracting, but makes the sound equilivant of a relay?! The really strange part is it doesn't seem to come from one consistant place.. Power removed or TV turned off? If it continues long after the set is turned off (but still connected to AC power) it is something in the standby power section of the main power supply. If it continues for hours after the set is unplugged, it's probably a cricket. PlainBill No its not hours, but at least 3 or 4 minutes.. Sounds like a realy clicking sometimes.. Other times not so loud.. Makes me think of expanding and contracting metal, although I cant see how that is possible given the low tempatures. Hope it isn't the PDP. I've read horror stories about those expanding and contracting (they do get VERY hot), and finally cracking. |
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... On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:49:25 +0900, "Michael Kennedy" wrote: "Mark Zacharias" wrote in message eb.com... "Michael Kennedy" mike@com wrote in message ... Sorry if this is a bit of a novice question... I have a SMPS in Plsama tv which upon powering up starts clicking... It seems to do it as it warms up or the load changes on the psu (screen going dark or getting light) As far as I can tell it isnt any relay doing this, even though It sounds like a relay. Ticking alone I could live with, although a bit annoying but the PSU also occasionally shuts down when cold. I am not 100% sure what is clicking.. The clicking noise seems to be coming from different locations at dfferent times, even possibly the X or Y sus boards. I have sprayed the whole thing down with freeze spray to no avail... It is built with PBF solder, so I guess bad solder joints are likely issue also. I have changed the obvious capacitors near heat sources excpet the two large 400v 250uf filter caps.. Removed and checked the filter caps and they checked good on my ESR meter. Any Idea what would be clikcing? Here is the board layout https://sites.google.com/site/chibamikey/PSU.JPG I have seen similar issues on Samsung plasmas resulting from bad solder connections at some switching transistors near the middle of the board. The eyelets are too small and need to be scraped a bit to enlarge them before resoldering. The board does look similar to yours. Maybe you'll get lucky. If not solder connections in there somewhere, failing capacitors would be the likely culprit, although this problem has been much more common on LCD sets. Plasmas I've seen don't seem to use the really cheap caps. Mark Z. Thanks you suggested that before.. I will get a closer look at the transistors and check out those eyelits.. I havent doent that yet, and probably would have forgot had you not replied. About the ticking.. It doesn't stop even with the power removed. It is almost if something is expanding and contracting, but makes the sound equilivant of a relay?! The really strange part is it doesn't seem to come from one consistant place.. Power removed or TV turned off? If it continues long after the set is turned off (but still connected to AC power) it is something in the standby power section of the main power supply. If it continues for hours after the set is unplugged, it's probably a cricket. PlainBill In the UK there is some bug that clicks , regular clicks when active, but not continuously, comes and goes at random. If , when it is in tapping mood, you tap near wherever it is hiding, it stops abrubtly, presumably thinking its found a mate. Not death-watch beatle as not in timber |
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... wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:49:25 +0900, "Michael Kennedy" wrote: "Mark Zacharias" wrote in message eb.com... "Michael Kennedy" mike@com wrote in message ... Sorry if this is a bit of a novice question... I have a SMPS in Plsama tv which upon powering up starts clicking... It seems to do it as it warms up or the load changes on the psu (screen going dark or getting light) As far as I can tell it isnt any relay doing this, even though It sounds like a relay. Ticking alone I could live with, although a bit annoying but the PSU also occasionally shuts down when cold. I am not 100% sure what is clicking.. The clicking noise seems to be coming from different locations at dfferent times, even possibly the X or Y sus boards. I have sprayed the whole thing down with freeze spray to no avail... It is built with PBF solder, so I guess bad solder joints are likely issue also. I have changed the obvious capacitors near heat sources excpet the two large 400v 250uf filter caps.. Removed and checked the filter caps and they checked good on my ESR meter. Any Idea what would be clikcing? Here is the board layout https://sites.google.com/site/chibamikey/PSU.JPG I have seen similar issues on Samsung plasmas resulting from bad solder connections at some switching transistors near the middle of the board. The eyelets are too small and need to be scraped a bit to enlarge them before resoldering. The board does look similar to yours. Maybe you'll get lucky. If not solder connections in there somewhere, failing capacitors would be the likely culprit, although this problem has been much more common on LCD sets. Plasmas I've seen don't seem to use the really cheap caps. Mark Z. Thanks you suggested that before.. I will get a closer look at the transistors and check out those eyelits.. I havent doent that yet, and probably would have forgot had you not replied. About the ticking.. It doesn't stop even with the power removed. It is almost if something is expanding and contracting, but makes the sound equilivant of a relay?! The really strange part is it doesn't seem to come from one consistant place.. Power removed or TV turned off? If it continues long after the set is turned off (but still connected to AC power) it is something in the standby power section of the main power supply. If it continues for hours after the set is unplugged, it's probably a cricket. PlainBill In the UK there is some bug that clicks , regular clicks when active, but not continuously, comes and goes at random. If , when it is in tapping mood, you tap near wherever it is hiding, it stops abrubtly, presumably thinking its found a mate. Not death-watch beatle as not in timber perhaps the insect that does this is called a tick |
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"jeanyves" wrote in message ... On 2010-10-07 07:55:49 +0200, "Michael Kennedy" mike@com said: Sorry if this is a bit of a novice question... I have a SMPS in Plsama tv which upon powering up starts clicking... It seems to do it as it warms up or the load changes on the psu (screen going dark or getting light) As far as I can tell it isnt any relay doing this, even though It sounds like a relay. Ticking alone I could live with, although a bit annoying but the PSU also occasionally shuts down when cold. I am not 100% sure what is clicking.. The clicking noise seems to be coming from different locations at dfferent times, even possibly the X or Y sus boards. I have sprayed the whole thing down with freeze spray to no avail... It is built with PBF solder, so I guess bad solder joints are likely issue also. I have changed the obvious capacitors near heat sources excpet the two large 400v 250uf filter caps.. Removed and checked the filter caps and they checked good on my ESR meter. Any Idea what would be clikcing? Here is the board layout https://sites.google.com/site/chibamikey/PSU.JPG I would change the main 400v capacitor clicks means this capacitor is almost dry ... regards, -- - Jean-Yves Well thats good advice, but it appears that they are good. I checked them with my esr meter out of circuit and they both have an esr of 0.12 ohms. |
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On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 07:54:51 -0500, Jim Yanik
wrote: wrote in : On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:49:25 +0900, "Michael Kennedy" wrote: "Mark Zacharias" wrote in message aweb.com... "Michael Kennedy" mike@com wrote in message ... Sorry if this is a bit of a novice question... I have a SMPS in Plsama tv which upon powering up starts clicking... It seems to do it as it warms up or the load changes on the psu (screen going dark or getting light) As far as I can tell it isnt any relay doing this, even though It sounds like a relay. Ticking alone I could live with, although a bit annoying but the PSU also occasionally shuts down when cold. I am not 100% sure what is clicking.. The clicking noise seems to be coming from different locations at dfferent times, even possibly the X or Y sus boards. I have sprayed the whole thing down with freeze spray to no avail... It is built with PBF solder, so I guess bad solder joints are likely issue also. I have changed the obvious capacitors near heat sources excpet the two large 400v 250uf filter caps.. Removed and checked the filter caps and they checked good on my ESR meter. Any Idea what would be clikcing? Here is the board layout https://sites.google.com/site/chibamikey/PSU.JPG I have seen similar issues on Samsung plasmas resulting from bad solder connections at some switching transistors near the middle of the board. The eyelets are too small and need to be scraped a bit to enlarge them before resoldering. The board does look similar to yours. Maybe you'll get lucky. If not solder connections in there somewhere, failing capacitors would be the likely culprit, although this problem has been much more common on LCD sets. Plasmas I've seen don't seem to use the really cheap caps. Mark Z. Thanks you suggested that before.. I will get a closer look at the transistors and check out those eyelits.. I havent doent that yet, and probably would have forgot had you not replied. About the ticking.. It doesn't stop even with the power removed. It is almost if something is expanding and contracting, but makes the sound equilivant of a relay?! The really strange part is it doesn't seem to come from one consistant place.. Power removed or TV turned off? If it continues long after the set is turned off (but still connected to AC power) it is something in the standby power section of the main power supply. If it continues for hours after the set is unplugged, it's probably a cricket. PlainBill the ticking could be the PS current limiting and restarting:I've heard that in lots of TEKTRONIX switchers. It should only last as long as the charge in the mains filter caps. Agreed. The mains filter cap can easily hold a charge for 5 minutes if there is no load. I have observed an SMPS clicking as it trys to start, but fails due to a bad Vcc cap (10-47 µF). I am unable to comprehend a circumstance that would allow that to be the source of the noise on a functional power supply. PlainBill |
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"circuit" wrote in message ... Its got to stop sometime after its been unplugged. I do not think there are any relays in todays plasma power boards, so the ticking is likely coming from a transformer. Its a ' special effect ' that happens when the power supply is loaded down somewhere, usually on one of the main DC outputs. The overload condition triggers an imbalance in the feedback circuirty, and the power supply cannot sustain itself with this condition present. You may want to check the temperature of the big heat sinks on the X-sus board at the peak of the problem, could be they are very hot. I think you hit the problem dead on. The Y sus board is getting quite hot but the x sus isnt. Any idea what would cause the board to consume more wattage and therefore get hot? |
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The components being heat-sinked are probably drawing too much power, either
because they are about to quit and go total short condition, or whatever they are supplying drive power to is causing them to draw too much power. I have seen X-sus main output components with the large heat sinks short out, but so far never the Y-sys. A lot of the time the components being heat sinked are proprietary, and seem to have these heat sinks sonicly welded to them permanently. The only way to do a repair is to do a board swap with a known good board. Good luck. I think you hit the problem dead on. The Y sus board is getting quite hot but the x sus isnt. Any idea what would cause the board to consume more wattage and therefore get hot? |
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"circuit" wrote in message ... I think you hit the problem dead on. The Y sus board is getting quite hot but the x sus isnt. Any idea what would cause the board to consume more wattage and therefore get hot? The components being heat-sinked are probably drawing too much power, either because they are about to quit and go total short condition, or whatever they are supplying drive power to is causing them to draw too much power. I have seen X-sus main output components with the large heat sinks short out, but so far never the Y-sys. A lot of the time the components being heat sinked are proprietary, and seem to have these heat sinks sonicly welded to them permanently. The only way to do a repair is to do a board swap with a known good board. Good luck. Hmm.. I will have to have a look at the transistors and see if they are propritary. They are attached by bolts and this board is designed to be reparied judging by the detail of the service manual. This tv was quite expensive when new and seems as if built in a different era.. Say 25 years ago back when thigs were buit with repair in mind. The SM actually lists individual components and how to troubleshoot them. |
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