Hi guys.
I'm a student, and i'm entering the world of the chip programming.
I have acquired a dataman s4, and i would like to use some pal and gal chip.
I know that an adaptor it's needed, but anyone that own it know if it's
possible to build this ? Anyone know this or have some schematics?
Thank you so much from europe!

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Hi guys.
I'm a student, and i'm entering the world of the chip programming.
I have acquired a dataman s4, and i would like to use some pal and gal chip.
I know that an adaptor it's needed, but anyone that own it know if it's
possible to build this ? Anyone know this or have some schematics?
Thank you so much from europe!

Have you tried their website?
They use to have a listing of all the adapters AND the wiring of those
adapters, so you could make one yourself.

Have you tried their website?
They use to have a listing of all the adapters AND the wiring of those
adapters, so you could make one yourself.

Yes i have asked too , but they don't give wiring or other! And
unfortunately i can't afford to buy this!

WangoTango wrote:

Have you tried their website?
They use to have a listing of all the adapters AND the wiring of those
adapters, so you could make one yourself.

I don't think that is correct. I've had an S4 for years and don't remember
them making the plans for an adapter, to make it yourself, available.

Many of their adapters aren't just socket changers, many are multi-layered
and have some onboard logic.

I think the pricing is fair for them although some do get kind of expensive.
Just amazes me they keep supporting that thing (S4) being it's been out for
like 15 years now.

-bruce

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WangoTango wrote:

Have you tried their website?
They use to have a listing of all the adapters AND the wiring of those
adapters, so you could make one yourself.

I don't think that is correct. I've had an S4 for years and don't remember
them making the plans for an adapter, to make it yourself, available.
Sure they did, my 48XP manual even makes note of it, I went and looked
again. Even their on-line manual says they have it available for
download, but I couldn't find a current link on the site.


Many of their adapters aren't just socket changers, many are multi-layered
and have some onboard logic.
Yes, and the active sockets are not included in the list they had
available. The list is basically a programmer pin X goes to adapter
socket pin y kind of thing. I may just be losing my mind, but I am sure
it WAS there. How about a quick call to Dataman and ask?

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In article , says...
WangoTango wrote:

Have you tried their website?
They use to have a listing of all the adapters AND the wiring of those
adapters, so you could make one yourself.

I don't think that is correct. I've had an S4 for years and don't remember
them making the plans for an adapter, to make it yourself, available.
Sure they did, my 48XP manual even makes note of it, I went and looked
again. Even their on-line manual says they have it available for
download, but I couldn't find a current link on the site.


Many of their adapters aren't just socket changers, many are multi-layered
and have some onboard logic.
Yes, and the active sockets are not included in the list they had
available. The list is basically a programmer pin X goes to adapter
socket pin y kind of thing. I may just be losing my mind, but I am sure
it WAS there. How about a quick call to Dataman and ask?


I just dropped them a line and just asked.
They don't have an official S4 list, but they do have some of their
adapter pin outs in the XP/UXP download directory.

http://www.dataman.com/Pdf/Dataman48Adaptors.pdf

All you need to so is look up what adapter you need for the S4 and see
if that part number is listed in the adaptor list PDF. If it one of the
UNIV (universal) part numbers then it will work on the S4 as well as the
other programmers.

WangoTango wrote:

I just dropped them a line and just asked.
They don't have an official S4 list, but they do have some of their
adapter pin outs in the XP/UXP download directory.

http://www.dataman.com/Pdf/Dataman48Adaptors.pdf

All you need to so is look up what adapter you need for the S4 and see
if that part number is listed in the adaptor list PDF. If it one of the
UNIV (universal) part numbers then it will work on the S4 as well as the
other programmers.


I dunno, maybe I'm confused.

That pdf is just for the not-common pin-to-pin compatability for prom/eprom
stuff, right?

The OP was asking about the gal/pal programming, which I think with the S4
can only be done with the $300 adapter.

The adapter and how to build it isn't in that pdf or anywhere else on the
site.

I found my S4 but the box of adapter modules is mia, I don't think I ever
ordered the gal/pal one but there was another, I think for 68 pin MOT
something or others and it was similar, wasn't just a pin adapter but like a
whole new programmer built to fit into the ZIF socket on the S4.

Seems like those would be proprietary unless they decided to public domain
the whole thing.

-bruce

The OP was asking about the gal/pal programming, which I think with the S4
can only be done with the $300 adapter.

The adapter and how to build it isn't in that pdf or anywhere else on the
site.



Unfortunately, i cannot afford it, it's too much for my pocket, in this way
i think i will cannot program any PAL / GAL chip...any idea?

Jps wrote:
The OP was asking about the gal/pal programming, which I think with the S4
can only be done with the $300 adapter.

The adapter and how to build it isn't in that pdf or anywhere else on the
site.



Unfortunately, i cannot afford it, it's too much for my pocket, in this way
i think i will cannot program any PAL / GAL chip...any idea?



Pick up a cheap Xeltec programmer - even the older ones could handle
PAL/GAL ICs directly. The original SuperPro and later ones using the
parallel port are well under $150US.

I know other inexpensive Eprom programmers can also do the job. We have
five or so different manufacturers Eprom burners in our shop - a bit
redundant...

John :-#)#

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On 28 Jun., 14:40, "Jps" wrote:

i think i will cannot program any PAL / GAL chip...any idea?

How about GALBLAST?

See: http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Publi..._ClikMe1st.htm

regards

Karl