On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:33:08 -0800 (PST), "Jerry G."
wrote:

It is very likely, the crude oil price per barrel may get up to about
$120 to $140 by the mid or end of the summer. The reasons are many.
This means that the price of fuel will most likely rise by at least
another 20%. There are futures contracts out on crude oil for a price
point of $200 per barrel by year 2010.

The price of oil is rising faster than the normal rate of inflation.
This will contribute to the cost of most everything we have. The rate
of infation will be difficult to keep up with.

One of the causes for all of this is from the massive out-sourcing of
manufacturing in foreign countries to have lower labour cost, and from
letting our society become more dependend on other countries for
energy and materials.

From all that is going on, North America and most of Europe will
become a third world economy. We will no longer be able to afford to
live at the standard of living that we are used to. It will take a
very big change of attitude and the way of doing things to fix the
problem.

What we won't be able to afford is wasting energy as senselessly as we
do now. The average USian could cut his energy use in half without
extreme distress.

The main cause of the energy shortage is the fact that the Chinese,
the Indians, the Africans, and the South Americans are increasing both
population and per-capita energy use. Imagine if every family in India
and every family in China had central heating and a car.

We have something they don't: an enormous capacity to make food.

John

John Larkin wrote:
We have something they don't: an enormous capacity to make food.

A very large percentage of that capability is due to the use of
nitrogenous fertilizers, manufactured from natural or petroleum
gas via the Haber-Bosch process for ammonia. The Chinese make
more than a quarter of the world's production, but basically -
guess what - the ability to store energy in your cereal crops and
in your "biofuels", comes predominantly from below the ground,
not from the sun. Without fossil fertilizer, 90% of the world's
production of grain would cease.

The fossil fuel crisis is first and foremost a *food* crisis, the
cost of fuel for transport is just the leading edge.

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:08:07 +1100, Clifford Heath
wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
We have something they don't: an enormous capacity to make food.

A very large percentage of that capability is due to the use of
nitrogenous fertilizers, manufactured from natural or petroleum
gas via the Haber-Bosch process for ammonia. The Chinese make
more than a quarter of the world's production, but basically -
guess what - the ability to store energy in your cereal crops and
in your "biofuels", comes predominantly from below the ground,
not from the sun. Without fossil fertilizer, 90% of the world's
production of grain would cease.

The fossil fuel crisis is first and foremost a *food* crisis, the
cost of fuel for transport is just the leading edge.


Well, just think about the negotiation sessions:

"We have food. You have oil. Wanna do business?"


John

John Larkin wrote:

We have something they don't: an enormous capacity to make food.

Don't worry. They will eat you up.

Well, just think about the negotiation sessions:

"We have food. You have oil. Wanna do business?"

What business? What oil? The oil it what Iraq is intended for.


VLV

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:51:48 GMT, Vladimir Vassilevsky
wrote:



John Larkin wrote:

We have something they don't: an enormous capacity to make food.

Don't worry. They will eat you up.

Well, just think about the negotiation sessions:

"We have food. You have oil. Wanna do business?"

What business? What oil? The oil it what Iraq is intended for.


VLV

What logic? What syntax?

John

John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:51:48 GMT, Vladimir Vassilevsky
wrote:



John Larkin wrote:


We have something they don't: an enormous capacity to make food.

Don't worry. They will eat you up.


Well, just think about the negotiation sessions:

"We have food. You have oil. Wanna do business?"

What business? What oil? The oil it what Iraq is intended for.



What logic?

I don't see any logic either. If the Iraq is colonized, then why the oil
is $101.11 ?


What syntax?

Should learn hispanic?

VLV

Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:51:48 GMT, Vladimir Vassilevsky
wrote:



John Larkin wrote:


We have something they don't: an enormous capacity to make food.

Don't worry. They will eat you up.


Well, just think about the negotiation sessions:

"We have food. You have oil. Wanna do business?"

What business? What oil? The oil it what Iraq is intended for.



What logic?

I don't see any logic either. If the Iraq is colonized, then why the oil
is $101.11 ?

What syntax?

Should learn hispanic?


My might as well. Your 'english' doesn't make much sense.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

On Feb 27, 8:28 pm, Vladimir Vassilevsky
wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:51:48 GMT, Vladimir Vassilevsky
wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

We have something they don't: an enormous capacity to make food.

Don't worry. They will eat you up.

Well, just think about the negotiation sessions:

"We have food. You have oil. Wanna do business?"

What business? What oil? The oil it what Iraq is intended for.

What logic?

I don't see any logic either. If the Iraq is colonized, then why the oil
is $101.11 ?

Perhaps because:
(1)
It was colonized by and army controlled by those who profit from high
oil prices.

(2)
Those who colonized it screwed up badly.

(3)
High oil prices were ordained by God and thus nothing can prevent
them.

(4)
China and India etc sudden;t discovered what a nice thing cars are.


What syntax?

Should learn hispanic?

VLV

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:28:02 -0600, Vladimir Vassilevsky
wrote:



John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:51:48 GMT, Vladimir Vassilevsky
wrote:



John Larkin wrote:


We have something they don't: an enormous capacity to make food.

Don't worry. They will eat you up.


Well, just think about the negotiation sessions:

"We have food. You have oil. Wanna do business?"

What business? What oil? The oil it what Iraq is intended for.



What logic?

I don't see any logic either. If the Iraq is colonized, then why the oil
is $101.11 ?


What's your definition of "colonizied"? It sure must be different from
mine.




What syntax?

Should learn hispanic?

Should learn *some* language that makes sense.

Is "hiapanic" a language?

John