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Quick basic advice on a dripping gas 40-gal hot-water heater
Following is a idealized anatomy of a hot water heater replacement and
recommended maintenance performed, basically, on the Internet, in real time, with the help of everyone here. This procedure, which combines the best found on the Internet and which takes into account *every* single of the hundreds of replies in this newsgroup, is posted with the hope that the next amateur replacing their natural gas galvanized pipe home hot water heater prints this out and follows it to their delight and benefit! A complete set of photos of every step below is available at http://www.flickr.com/donnaohl Here it is... this is an idealized version of my experience last week! If you have old galvanized pipes, consider these preventive steps: - Remove all debris screens from faucets, & tubs to prevent clogging - Shut water to dishwaswher to prevent clogging of dishwasher screens - Remove tub valves (I think) to prevent clogging of tubs Remove the hot-water heater: - Shut off the natural gas at the main gas meter (optional) - Shut off the natural gas at the local hot-water heater (mandatory) - Wait for the pilot light to go out to ensure no gas is left in the line - Turn the thermostat on the hot-water heater to the off position - Wait overnight, if possible, to allow the hot water in the tank to cool - Or run 10 or 20 gallons of hot water in the house to dilute the tank - You will be very glad you cooled the water in the tank: Trust me! - Shut off the main household cold water (if replacing the gate valve) - Shut the cold-water gate-valve right-side inlet to the hot-water heater - Open at least one hot-water faucet in the house to drain off pressure - Open the temperature and pressure valve as a safety measure (optional) - Unscrew the cold-water inlet at the nipple at the top of the tank - Unscrew the hot-water outlet at the nipple at the top of the tank - Use two wrenches on flex connectors or they twist like a phone cord! - Unscrew the natural gas inlet to the water-heater thermostat - Cap the newly disconnected natural gas line to prevent contamination - Connect a garden hose to the plastic hot-water-heater drain valve - Open drain valve to drain hot water where it will not damage anything - If 40/50 gallons doesn't come out something is clogged (very common) - Shake and prod and push to get the water out (it happened to me) - Otherwise you'll be moving a full tank which can tip (it happened to me) - Disconnect garden hose and close drain valve when done (40 or 50 gallons) - Unscrew the sheet-metal screw holding the vent pipe to the draft hood - Separate the vent pipe from the draft hood (the hat on top middle) - Unscrew sheet-metal screws holding gas-flue hat onto the vent pipe - Separate the vent pipe from the gas-flue hat on top center of your heater - Unscrew the seismic straps (if any) as the last thing before removal - Remove old heater off the elevated base with two people and a handtruck - Remove all water plumbing up to and including the old shut-off valve - Remove all gas plumbing up to and including the old shut-off valve Replace hot-water heater: WHILE THE NEW TANK IS SITTING (DRY) ON THE GARAGE FLOOR: - Remove the heater from the box by cutting the box completely open - Replace the plastic drain valve with a brass ball valve (optional) - Install the new temperature and pressure (T&P) relief valve (if needed) - Note: The brass T&P relief valve may already be installed on your tank - Install the cold water dialectric check-valve nipple (on the top right) - Install the hot water dialectric ckeck-valve nipple (on the top left) - Note: The 2 check-valve nipples may already be installed on your tank. - Wrap three layers of teflon tape on each dialectric check-valve nipple - Remember: Always use 2 wrenches when screwing & unscrewing pipe fittings! MOUNT THE TANK & POSITION THE VENT AND HOOD: - Mount and level the new hot water heater on the 18-inch elevated base - Ensure at least six inches of clear space all around the new heater - Hacksaw the old gas vent so that it fits the new larger water heater - Ensure the gas vent aligns with the center of the hot-water heater - Insert legs of the draft hood into the holes in the top of the heater - Drill a 1/8 inch hole into the draft hood and 3-inch vent pipe - Screw in at least 1 sheet-metal screw from the vent hood to the vent pipe ATTACH THE COLD WATER INLET: - Wrap Teflon tape on the threads of the fittings supplied with the tank - Insert a blue heat-trap fitting (arrow down) into the cold-water inlet - Ensure the last two threads are never covered with Teflon tape - Look end-on through all fittings to ensure no Teflon tape overlap - Do not use pipe dope on any threads where Teflon tape is noted below - Screw the cold-water inlet male:male nipple into the top of the tank - Wrap Teflon tape on the thread of the galvanized 3/4" water-inlet pipe - Screw a dialectric union on the 3/4" galvanized cold-water inlet pipe - Check for Teflon tape on the threads of each male:male brass nipple - Screw the brass male:male nipple on the female:female dialectric union - Screw a new ball-valve shutoff onto this vertical cold-water inlet pipe - Wrap Teflon tape on the threads of another male:male brass nipple - Screw this male:male nipple into the new ball-valve shutoff - Screw the copper flex pipe onto the cold-water inlet brass nipples ATTACH THE HOT WATER OUTLET: - Wrap Teflon tape on the threads of the fittings supplied with the tank - Ensure the last two threads are never covered with Teflon tape - Do not use pipe dope on any threads where Teflon tape is noted below - Insert a red heat-trap fitting (arrow up) into the tank hot-water outlet - Wrap Teflon tape on the thread of the galvanized 3/4" water-outlet pipe - Screw a dialectric union on the 3/4" galvanized hot-water outlet pipe - Wrap Teflon tape on the threads of each male:male brass nipple - Screw the brass male:male nipple on the female:female dialectric union - Screw a new one-way check-valve onto this vertical hot-water outlet pipe - Wrap Teflon tape on the threads of another male:male brass nipple - Screw this male:male nipple into the new ball-valve shutoff - Screw the copper flex pipe onto the hot-water inlet brass nipples - Bend the copper flex pipe into an S shape to further inhibit heat loss ATTACH THE T&P SAFETY PIPE: - Screw on rigid high-temperature water pipe to the T&P valve - The open outlet must be six inches (no more, no less) from the floor - The open outlet must not be threaded; no valves or traps are allowed - Place a bowl or bucket at the outlet of this open overflow pipe - Test the T&P valve & plumbing by flipping the little aluminum lever - Scalding hot water should sputter out of the pipe outlet TURN ON THE WATER SUPPLY: - Optionally, remove all the screens from your water faucets - Optionally, shut off the water to your dishwasher to prevent clogging - Optionally, remove the shower heads to prevent clogging - I'm not sure what to remove yet to prevent your tub from clogging - Open at least one hot-water faucet in the house to bleed out air - Slowly open the main cold-water input to the house - Open the new ball-valve cold-water input to the hot-water heater - Check for leaks in the plumbing as the tank fills - Place a pan or bowl at the T&P overflow tube & test the T&P valve ATTACH THE NATURAL GAS INLET: - Always connect the natural gas line as the very last step in this process - Set the thermostat on the hot-water heater to the off position - Coat male natural gas line threads with stick pipe dope (no teflon) - Ensure the last two threads are not covered with any pipe dope - Connect the new (yellow) natural gas flex pipe to the thermostat - Turn on natural gas at the main switch (if it was turned off) - Turn on natural gas at the local inlet to the water heater - Test for leaks by toothbrushing a solution of dish detergent and water - Read and carefully follow the manufacturer's lighting instructions INSULATION: - Wrap additional insulation around your hot-water heater, if desired - Wrap insulation around your hot-water outlet pipe, if desired DISPOSAL: - Perform an autopsy on the old water heater by removing all plumbing - Remove & inspect the 1 1/16 inch 3-foot 8-inch sacrificial anode - Remove & inspect the T&P valve - Call the local garbage or recycling to haul away the old water heater Twice a year: - Clint combusion-air lint screens (at the bottom inch of the water heater) - Place a pan or bowl at the temperature & pressure valve overflow tube - Test the T&P valve by flipping the lever as water violently sputters out - Turn the natural gas to the PILOT setting (or shut it off completely) - Leave the cold-water intake valve open at the top right of the heater - Open at least one hot-water faucet on any level above the water heater - Gently connect a garden hose to your hot water heater drain valve - Route the open end of the garden hose where hot water won't damage things - Open the lower drain valve to empty a few gallons of muddy hot water - Shut the drain valve when that water runs clear (approx 10 gallons) - Once every three years, remove the 1 1/16-inch sacrificial anode - Replace the 3'8" sacrificial anode if corroded or calcium passivated - To replace, bend the magnesium anode or replace with sausage links - Turn the natural gas back on and ensure the burner is working properly |
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Quick basic advice on a dripping gas 40-gal hot-water heater
In article , "Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer Coordinator" wrote:
Following is a idealized anatomy of a hot water heater replacement and recommended maintenance performed, basically, on the Internet, in real time, with the help of everyone here. This procedure, which combines the best found on the Internet and which takes into account *every* single of the hundreds of replies in this newsgroup, is posted with the hope that the next amateur replacing their natural gas galvanized pipe home hot water heater prints this out and follows it to their delight and benefit! A complete set of photos of every step below is available at http://www.flickr.com/donnaohl Here it is... this is an idealized version of my experience last week! If you have old galvanized pipes, consider these preventive steps: - Remove all debris screens from faucets, & tubs to prevent clogging - Shut water to dishwaswher to prevent clogging of dishwasher screens - Remove tub valves (I think) to prevent clogging of tubs Remove the hot-water heater: - Shut off the natural gas at the main gas meter (optional) - Shut off the natural gas at the local hot-water heater (mandatory) - Wait for the pilot light to go out to ensure no gas is left in the line - Turn the thermostat on the hot-water heater to the off position - Wait overnight, if possible, to allow the hot water in the tank to cool - Or run 10 or 20 gallons of hot water in the house to dilute the tank - You will be very glad you cooled the water in the tank: Trust me! - Shut off the main household cold water (if replacing the gate valve) - Shut the cold-water gate-valve right-side inlet to the hot-water heater - Open at least one hot-water faucet in the house to drain off pressure - Open the temperature and pressure valve as a safety measure (optional) - Unscrew the cold-water inlet at the nipple at the top of the tank - Unscrew the hot-water outlet at the nipple at the top of the tank - Use two wrenches on flex connectors or they twist like a phone cord! - Unscrew the natural gas inlet to the water-heater thermostat - Cap the newly disconnected natural gas line to prevent contamination - Connect a garden hose to the plastic hot-water-heater drain valve - Open drain valve to drain hot water where it will not damage anything - If 40/50 gallons doesn't come out something is clogged (very common) - Shake and prod and push to get the water out (it happened to me) - Otherwise you'll be moving a full tank which can tip (it happened to me) - Disconnect garden hose and close drain valve when done (40 or 50 gallons) - Unscrew the sheet-metal screw holding the vent pipe to the draft hood - Separate the vent pipe from the draft hood (the hat on top middle) - Unscrew sheet-metal screws holding gas-flue hat onto the vent pipe - Separate the vent pipe from the gas-flue hat on top center of your heater - Unscrew the seismic straps (if any) as the last thing before removal - Remove old heater off the elevated base with two people and a handtruck - Remove all water plumbing up to and including the old shut-off valve - Remove all gas plumbing up to and including the old shut-off valve Replace hot-water heater: WHILE THE NEW TANK IS SITTING (DRY) ON THE GARAGE FLOOR: - Remove the heater from the box by cutting the box completely open - Replace the plastic drain valve with a brass ball valve (optional) - Install the new temperature and pressure (T&P) relief valve (if needed) - Note: The brass T&P relief valve may already be installed on your tank - Install the cold water dialectric check-valve nipple (on the top right) - Install the hot water dialectric ckeck-valve nipple (on the top left) - Note: The 2 check-valve nipples may already be installed on your tank. - Wrap three layers of teflon tape on each dialectric check-valve nipple - Remember: Always use 2 wrenches when screwing & unscrewing pipe fittings! MOUNT THE TANK & POSITION THE VENT AND HOOD: - Mount and level the new hot water heater on the 18-inch elevated base - Ensure at least six inches of clear space all around the new heater - Hacksaw the old gas vent so that it fits the new larger water heater - Ensure the gas vent aligns with the center of the hot-water heater - Insert legs of the draft hood into the holes in the top of the heater - Drill a 1/8 inch hole into the draft hood and 3-inch vent pipe - Screw in at least 1 sheet-metal screw from the vent hood to the vent pipe ATTACH THE COLD WATER INLET: - Wrap Teflon tape on the threads of the fittings supplied with the tank - Insert a blue heat-trap fitting (arrow down) into the cold-water inlet - Ensure the last two threads are never covered with Teflon tape - Look end-on through all fittings to ensure no Teflon tape overlap - Do not use pipe dope on any threads where Teflon tape is noted below - Screw the cold-water inlet male:male nipple into the top of the tank - Wrap Teflon tape on the thread of the galvanized 3/4" water-inlet pipe - Screw a dialectric union on the 3/4" galvanized cold-water inlet pipe - Check for Teflon tape on the threads of each male:male brass nipple - Screw the brass male:male nipple on the female:female dialectric union - Screw a new ball-valve shutoff onto this vertical cold-water inlet pipe - Wrap Teflon tape on the threads of another male:male brass nipple - Screw this male:male nipple into the new ball-valve shutoff - Screw the copper flex pipe onto the cold-water inlet brass nipples ATTACH THE HOT WATER OUTLET: - Wrap Teflon tape on the threads of the fittings supplied with the tank - Ensure the last two threads are never covered with Teflon tape - Do not use pipe dope on any threads where Teflon tape is noted below - Insert a red heat-trap fitting (arrow up) into the tank hot-water outlet - Wrap Teflon tape on the thread of the galvanized 3/4" water-outlet pipe - Screw a dialectric union on the 3/4" galvanized hot-water outlet pipe - Wrap Teflon tape on the threads of each male:male brass nipple - Screw the brass male:male nipple on the female:female dialectric union - Screw a new one-way check-valve onto this vertical hot-water outlet pipe - Wrap Teflon tape on the threads of another male:male brass nipple - Screw this male:male nipple into the new ball-valve shutoff - Screw the copper flex pipe onto the hot-water inlet brass nipples - Bend the copper flex pipe into an S shape to further inhibit heat loss ATTACH THE T&P SAFETY PIPE: - Screw on rigid high-temperature water pipe to the T&P valve - The open outlet must be six inches (no more, no less) from the floor - The open outlet must not be threaded; no valves or traps are allowed - Place a bowl or bucket at the outlet of this open overflow pipe - Test the T&P valve & plumbing by flipping the little aluminum lever - Scalding hot water should sputter out of the pipe outlet TURN ON THE WATER SUPPLY: - Optionally, remove all the screens from your water faucets - Optionally, shut off the water to your dishwasher to prevent clogging - Optionally, remove the shower heads to prevent clogging - I'm not sure what to remove yet to prevent your tub from clogging - Open at least one hot-water faucet in the house to bleed out air - Slowly open the main cold-water input to the house - Open the new ball-valve cold-water input to the hot-water heater - Check for leaks in the plumbing as the tank fills - Place a pan or bowl at the T&P overflow tube & test the T&P valve ATTACH THE NATURAL GAS INLET: - Always connect the natural gas line as the very last step in this process - Set the thermostat on the hot-water heater to the off position - Coat male natural gas line threads with stick pipe dope (no teflon) - Ensure the last two threads are not covered with any pipe dope - Connect the new (yellow) natural gas flex pipe to the thermostat - Turn on natural gas at the main switch (if it was turned off) - Turn on natural gas at the local inlet to the water heater - Test for leaks by toothbrushing a solution of dish detergent and water - Read and carefully follow the manufacturer's lighting instructions INSULATION: - Wrap additional insulation around your hot-water heater, if desired - Wrap insulation around your hot-water outlet pipe, if desired DISPOSAL: - Perform an autopsy on the old water heater by removing all plumbing - Remove & inspect the 1 1/16 inch 3-foot 8-inch sacrificial anode - Remove & inspect the T&P valve - Call the local garbage or recycling to haul away the old water heater Twice a year: - Clint combusion-air lint screens (at the bottom inch of the water heater) - Place a pan or bowl at the temperature & pressure valve overflow tube - Test the T&P valve by flipping the lever as water violently sputters out - Turn the natural gas to the PILOT setting (or shut it off completely) - Leave the cold-water intake valve open at the top right of the heater - Open at least one hot-water faucet on any level above the water heater - Gently connect a garden hose to your hot water heater drain valve - Route the open end of the garden hose where hot water won't damage things - Open the lower drain valve to empty a few gallons of muddy hot water - Shut the drain valve when that water runs clear (approx 10 gallons) - Once every three years, remove the 1 1/16-inch sacrificial anode - Replace the 3'8" sacrificial anode if corroded or calcium passivated - To replace, bend the magnesium anode or replace with sausage links - Turn the natural gas back on and ensure the burner is working properly Insulation wrapping the hot water pipe, all the way to common fixtures is desirable. Also wrap the cold water intake near the hot water heater. It gets hot and looses heat when there is no inflow. It especially desirable to better insulate the heater when its not in the living area. Inside the living area, the loss is added to the room temperature, and most of the year you need extra heat anyway. greg |
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Quick basic advice on a dripping gas 40-gal hot-water heater
GregS wrote:
It especially desirable to better insulate the heater when its not in the living area. Inside the living area, the loss is added to the room temperature, and most of the year you need extra heat anyway. Not in sunny Florida, where you run the AC almost year round. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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Quick basic advice on a dripping gas 40-gal hot-water heater
GregS wrote:
In article , wrote: GregS wrote: It especially desirable to better insulate the heater when its not in the living area. Inside the living area, the loss is added to the room temperature, and most of the year you need extra heat anyway. Not in sunny Florida, where you run the AC almost year round. Are geothermal heat pumps becoming poplar there ? I think I could have saved gas bills by using the underground pipes and heat pump. My electricity is cheap. greg Higher property taxes tend to wipe out any savings. I do know one thing though: If this 'Global Warming' keeps up, I'll have to buy a furnace. -- My sig file can beat up your sig file! |
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Quick basic advice on a dripping gas 40-gal hot-water heater
even if you knew this would occur it would be impossible to completely
prevent or flush the junk....... first not every valve can be opened, like the dishwasher second the junk will be disturbed and contuue coming off to a lesser degree for some time and even if you open valves slowly it will still occur. might be time to drain the new tank to get out what you can |
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Quick basic advice on a dripping gas 40-gal hot-water heater
On Feb 21, 2:48 pm, " wrote:
even if you knew this would occur it would be impossible to completely prevent or flush the junk....... Donna, You forgot to add the hint about opening the outside water faucets! Please add that to the tutorial! |
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Quick basic advice on a dripping gas 40-gal hot-water heater
On Thu 21 Feb 2008 15:01:43, Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer Coordinator
wrote: Following is a idealized anatomy of a hot water heater replacement and recommended maintenance performed, basically, on the Internet, in real time, with the help of everyone here. This procedure, which combines the best found on the Internet and which takes into account *every* single of the hundreds of replies in this newsgroup, is posted with the hope that the next amateur replacing their natural gas galvanized pipe home hot water heater prints this out and follows it to their delight and benefit! A complete set of photos of every step below is available at http://www.flickr.com/donnaohl Here it is... this is an idealized version of my experience last week! If you have old galvanized pipes, consider these preventive steps: - Remove all debris screens from faucets, & tubs to prevent clogging - Shut water to dishwaswher to prevent clogging of dishwasher screens - Remove tub valves (I think) to prevent clogging of tubs Remove the hot-water heater: - Shut off the natural gas at the main gas meter (optional) - Shut off the natural gas at the local hot-water heater (mandatory) - Wait for the pilot light to go out to ensure no gas is left in the line - Turn the thermostat on the hot-water heater to the off position - Wait overnight, if possible, to allow the hot water in the tank to cool - Or run 10 or 20 gallons of hot water in the house to dilute the tank - You will be very glad you cooled the water in the tank: Trust me! - Shut off the main household cold water (if replacing the gate valve) - Shut the cold-water gate-valve right-side inlet to the hot-water heater - Open at least one hot-water faucet in the house to drain off pressure - Open the temperature and pressure valve as a safety measure (optional) - Unscrew the cold-water inlet at the nipple at the top of the tank - Unscrew the hot-water outlet at the nipple at the top of the tank - Use two wrenches on flex connectors or they twist like a phone cord! - Unscrew the natural gas inlet to the water-heater thermostat - Cap the newly disconnected natural gas line to prevent contamination - Connect a garden hose to the plastic hot-water-heater drain valve - Open drain valve to drain hot water where it will not damage anything - If 40/50 gallons doesn't come out something is clogged (very common) - Shake and prod and push to get the water out (it happened to me) - Otherwise you'll be moving a full tank which can tip (it happened to me) - Disconnect garden hose and close drain valve when done (40 or 50 gallons) - Unscrew the sheet-metal screw holding the vent pipe to the draft hood - Separate the vent pipe from the draft hood (the hat on top middle) - Unscrew sheet-metal screws holding gas-flue hat onto the vent pipe - Separate the vent pipe from the gas-flue hat on top center of your heater - Unscrew the seismic straps (if any) as the last thing before removal - Remove old heater off the elevated base with two people and a handtruck - Remove all water plumbing up to and including the old shut-off valve - Remove all gas plumbing up to and including the old shut-off valve Replace hot-water heater: WHILE THE NEW TANK IS SITTING (DRY) ON THE GARAGE FLOOR: - Remove the heater from the box by cutting the box completely open - Replace the plastic drain valve with a brass ball valve (optional) - Install the new temperature and pressure (T&P) relief valve (if needed) - Note: The brass T&P relief valve may already be installed on your tank - Install the cold water dialectric check-valve nipple (on the top right) - Install the hot water dialectric ckeck-valve nipple (on the top left) - Note: The 2 check-valve nipples may already be installed on your tank. - Wrap three layers of teflon tape on each dialectric check-valve nipple - Remember: Always use 2 wrenches when screwing & unscrewing pipe fittings! MOUNT THE TANK & POSITION THE VENT AND HOOD: - Mount and level the new hot water heater on the 18-inch elevated base - Ensure at least six inches of clear space all around the new heater - Hacksaw the old gas vent so that it fits the new larger water heater - Ensure the gas vent aligns with the center of the hot-water heater - Insert legs of the draft hood into the holes in the top of the heater - Drill a 1/8 inch hole into the draft hood and 3-inch vent pipe - Screw in at least 1 sheet-metal screw from the vent hood to the vent pipe ATTACH THE COLD WATER INLET: - Wrap Teflon tape on the threads of the fittings supplied with the tank - Insert a blue heat-trap fitting (arrow down) into the cold-water inlet - Ensure the last two threads are never covered with Teflon tape - Look end-on through all fittings to ensure no Teflon tape overlap - Do not use pipe dope on any threads where Teflon tape is noted below - Screw the cold-water inlet male:male nipple into the top of the tank - Wrap Teflon tape on the thread of the galvanized 3/4" water-inlet pipe - Screw a dialectric union on the 3/4" galvanized cold-water inlet pipe - Check for Teflon tape on the threads of each male:male brass nipple - Screw the brass male:male nipple on the female:female dialectric union - Screw a new ball-valve shutoff onto this vertical cold-water inlet pipe - Wrap Teflon tape on the threads of another male:male brass nipple - Screw this male:male nipple into the new ball-valve shutoff - Screw the copper flex pipe onto the cold-water inlet brass nipples ATTACH THE HOT WATER OUTLET: - Wrap Teflon tape on the threads of the fittings supplied with the tank - Ensure the last two threads are never covered with Teflon tape - Do not use pipe dope on any threads where Teflon tape is noted below - Insert a red heat-trap fitting (arrow up) into the tank hot-water outlet - Wrap Teflon tape on the thread of the galvanized 3/4" water-outlet pipe - Screw a dialectric union on the 3/4" galvanized hot-water outlet pipe - Wrap Teflon tape on the threads of each male:male brass nipple - Screw the brass male:male nipple on the female:female dialectric union - Screw a new one-way check-valve onto this vertical hot-water outlet pipe - Wrap Teflon tape on the threads of another male:male brass nipple - Screw this male:male nipple into the new ball-valve shutoff - Screw the copper flex pipe onto the hot-water inlet brass nipples - Bend the copper flex pipe into an S shape to further inhibit heat loss ATTACH THE T&P SAFETY PIPE: - Screw on rigid high-temperature water pipe to the T&P valve - The open outlet must be six inches (no more, no less) from the floor - The open outlet must not be threaded; no valves or traps are allowed - Place a bowl or bucket at the outlet of this open overflow pipe - Test the T&P valve & plumbing by flipping the little aluminum lever - Scalding hot water should sputter out of the pipe outlet TURN ON THE WATER SUPPLY: - Optionally, remove all the screens from your water faucets - Optionally, shut off the water to your dishwasher to prevent clogging - Optionally, remove the shower heads to prevent clogging - I'm not sure what to remove yet to prevent your tub from clogging - Open at least one hot-water faucet in the house to bleed out air - Slowly open the main cold-water input to the house - Open the new ball-valve cold-water input to the hot-water heater - Check for leaks in the plumbing as the tank fills - Place a pan or bowl at the T&P overflow tube & test the T&P valve ATTACH THE NATURAL GAS INLET: - Always connect the natural gas line as the very last step in this process - Set the thermostat on the hot-water heater to the off position - Coat male natural gas line threads with stick pipe dope (no teflon) - Ensure the last two threads are not covered with any pipe dope - Connect the new (yellow) natural gas flex pipe to the thermostat - Turn on natural gas at the main switch (if it was turned off) - Turn on natural gas at the local inlet to the water heater - Test for leaks by toothbrushing a solution of dish detergent and water - Read and carefully follow the manufacturer's lighting instructions INSULATION: - Wrap additional insulation around your hot-water heater, if desired - Wrap insulation around your hot-water outlet pipe, if desired DISPOSAL: - Perform an autopsy on the old water heater by removing all plumbing - Remove & inspect the 1 1/16 inch 3-foot 8-inch sacrificial anode - Remove & inspect the T&P valve - Call the local garbage or recycling to haul away the old water heater Twice a year: - Clint combusion-air lint screens (at the bottom inch of the water heater) - Place a pan or bowl at the temperature & pressure valve overflow tube - Test the T&P valve by flipping the lever as water violently sputters out - Turn the natural gas to the PILOT setting (or shut it off completely) - Leave the cold-water intake valve open at the top right of the heater - Open at least one hot-water faucet on any level above the water heater - Gently connect a garden hose to your hot water heater drain valve - Route the open end of the garden hose where hot water won't damage things - Open the lower drain valve to empty a few gallons of muddy hot water - Shut the drain valve when that water runs clear (approx 10 gallons) - Once every three years, remove the 1 1/16-inch sacrificial anode - Replace the 3'8" sacrificial anode if corroded or calcium passivated - To replace, bend the magnesium anode or replace with sausage links - Turn the natural gas back on and ensure the burner is working properly Donna, do you think the other people who have posted to help you actually suspect what is going on? :-) Some must have realized it by now. 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On Feb 27, 4:56 pm, John wrote:
Donna, do you think the other people who have posted to help you actually suspect what is going on? :-) Some must have realized ... Maybe, maybe not...but John, you're quite late with this post. Please do try to keep up. Bill does. |
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Quick basic advice on a dripping gas 40-gal hot-water heater
You were right! It was the crud in the solonoid (plus a frozen motor)!
Thanks to everyone here, I was able to fix the dishwasher clog caused by all the debris that came out of the water heater repair. Complete pictures, as always, are posted. For example, so the next person benefits, please see the updated pictures of the tremendous amount of dishwasher sand in the mesh filter cup inside the blue "solonoid" at the bottom left of the GE Nautilus dishwasher.See http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl At first, I checked and cleaned the "air gap" as many recommended (this caused a flood as the airgap had a plug of its own that I forgot to put back once I got the dishwasher working). Without that cap on the air gap, water shoots up six inches all over the countertop as shown in the photos I uploaded so the next person benefits. As for teh solonoid, I unplugged the power and removed the four 8mm screws holding the blue solonoid together and water splashed all over the place, this time on the floor as the water supply must be turned off. I got the camera all wet trying to take a shot of THAT fiasco for you boys! Nonetheless, I did take a good shot of the horribly clogged mesh filter that was inside the solonoid. This wasn't the only culprit though. The motor in the middle on the bottom wouldn't start. I guess it has been turned off for so long it froze shut. I had to oil it and cajole it into spinning with a screwdriver but it finally worked and now the dishwasher has gone through two cycles and it seems to be repaired. Thank God 'cuz I can't figure out how to remove it from the kitchen (see the photos of the screws that were holding it in that are tiled over on the top so they will never come out). Who builds these things that way anyway? Donna |
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Quick basic advice on a dripping gas 40-gal hot-water heater
"Donna Ohl" wrote in message et... You were right! It was the crud in the solonoid (plus a frozen motor)! Thanks to everyone here, I was able to fix the dishwasher clog caused by all the debris that came out of the water heater repair. Complete pictures, as always, are posted. For example, so the next person benefits, please see the updated pictures of the tremendous amount of dishwasher sand in the mesh filter cup inside the blue "solonoid" at the bottom left of the GE Nautilus dishwasher.See http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl At first, I checked and cleaned the "air gap" as many recommended (this caused a flood as the airgap had a plug of its own that I forgot to put back once I got the dishwasher working). Without that cap on the air gap, water shoots up six inches all over the countertop as shown in the photos I uploaded so the next person benefits. As for teh solonoid, I unplugged the power and removed the four 8mm screws holding the blue solonoid together and water splashed all over the place, this time on the floor as the water supply must be turned off. I got the camera all wet trying to take a shot of THAT fiasco for you boys! Nonetheless, I did take a good shot of the horribly clogged mesh filter that was inside the solonoid. This wasn't the only culprit though. The motor in the middle on the bottom wouldn't start. I guess it has been turned off for so long it froze shut. I had to oil it and cajole it into spinning with a screwdriver but it finally worked and now the dishwasher has gone through two cycles and it seems to be repaired. Thank God 'cuz I can't figure out how to remove it from the kitchen (see the photos of the screws that were holding it in that are tiled over on the top so they will never come out). Who builds these things that way anyway? Donna It's always nice when someone can figure this stuff out and posted advice is useful. It's a change from the common response of "I'll just buy a new one". |
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Quick basic advice on a dripping gas 40-gal hot-water heater
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:05:36 GMT, James Sweet wrote:
It's always nice when someone can figure this stuff out and posted advice is useful. It's a change from the common response of "I'll just buy a new one". Or, all too often, there's no response at all. Then none of the advisors know how it turned out, and the archives offer nothing for the next feller that comes along with the same or nearly identical problem. Jonesy -- Marvin L Jones | jonz | W3DHJ | linux 38.24N 104.55W | @ config.com | Jonesy | OS/2 *** Killfiling google posts: http://jonz.net/ng.htm |
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On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:05:36 GMT, James Sweet wrote:
It's always nice when someone can figure this stuff out and posted advice is useful. It's a change from the common response of "I'll just buy a new one". Hi James, Thanks. I go to a lot of trouble to respond and to take pictures and to post what happened, even with my mistakes (like not knowing the water would shoot all over the place in the air gap or solonoid!). http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2337210324/ The amount of sand in the water was astoundingly large! http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2337210334/ I would think we should probably clean these things out every year or so if it weren't such a pain to put the solonoid back together. The six bolts to remove it are easy enough to remove but to put it all back together with the rubber gasket and wire mesh screen is a pain. I accidentally let the screen fall out and ended up having to remove it a second time after testing that it worked. http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2337214312/ I would never have had the courage to try this unless you guys had advised me so I really hope that this will help the next person who reads this. The two things I have left a - How to repair the rusted white wires inside the dishwasher that got rusted while it sat with bleach in it (to kill the mold) for the past few weeks. http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2337210340/ - How to unclog the bathtub where I can't figure out WHERE the filter is! http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2279157295/ Donna |
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Quick basic advice on a dripping gas 40-gal hot-water heater
On 16 Mar 2008 19:05:38 GMT, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
Or, all too often, there's no response at all. Then none of the advisors know how it turned out, and the archives offer nothing for the next feller that comes along with the same or nearly identical problem. Hi Jonesy, You just wait! A coworker of mine said he was gonna fill his welding tanks with oxyaceteline and cut apart my old water heater so we could see exactly what it looked like inside! I can't wait to snap the pictures. Right now, all we have are the anode and safety valve autopsies http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaoh...7603933515835/ but it's gonna be great to see inside the water heater for the first time! http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaoh...7603933515835/ Donna |
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Quick basic advice on a dripping gas 40-gal hot-water heater
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:05:47 -0700, Donna Ohl wrote:
On 16 Mar 2008 19:05:38 GMT, Allodoxaphobia wrote: Or, all too often, there's no response at all. Then none of the advisors know how it turned out, and the archives offer nothing for the next feller that comes along with the same or nearly identical problem. Hi Jonesy, You just wait! A coworker of mine said he was gonna fill his welding tanks with oxyaceteline and cut apart my old water heater so we could see exactly what it looked like inside! I can't wait to snap the pictures. Yes. Massive lime/calcium deposits, I'd hazard to guess. Or, are you on a well? I don't remember that comment up-thread. In that case it probably would be sand. You might want to install a water softener ahead of the H/W heater -- _just_ to serve the H/W side of the system. I did that in the previous house for use with a solar H/W system that was in-line ahead of the existing domestic gas H/W heater. Both the (then) existing 50 gal. gas H/W heater and the 80 gal. solar H/W tank lasted over 25 years -- and they may still be going strong, FAIK. (Of course the gas H/W heater did not run much, so it's tank did not get 'cooked' that often by the gas flame.) Jonesy -- Marvin L Jones | jonz | W3DHJ | linux 38.24N 104.55W | @ config.com | Jonesy | OS/2 *** Killfiling google posts: http://jonz.net/ng.htm |
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"Donna Ohl" wrote in message news:4FhDj.65364 - How to unclog the bathtub where I can't figure out WHERE the filter is! http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2279157295/ Ther's probably a passage in the valve plugged. Shut off all water to the shower, and disassemble the valve, them flush it out by briefly turning the water back on, with appropriate precautions. |
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On Mar 21, 1:07�am, "Bob F" wrote:
"Donna Ohl" wrote in message news:4FhDj.65364 - How to unclog the bathtub where I can't figure out WHERE the filter is! http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2279157295/ Ther's probably a passage in the valve plugged. Shut off all water to the shower, and disassemble the valve, them flush it out by briefly turning the water back on, with appropriate precautions. if you try this dont use the main houses valve, i did once it wouldnt shut off and flooded the basement by the time the water company got things turned off....... |
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Quick basic advice on a dripping gas 40-gal hot-water heater
wrote in message ... On Mar 21, 1:07?am, "Bob F" wrote: "Donna Ohl" wrote in message news:4FhDj.65364 - How to unclog the bathtub where I can't figure out WHERE the filter is! http://www.flickr.com/photos/donnaohl/2279157295/ Ther's probably a passage in the valve plugged. Shut off all water to the shower, and disassemble the valve, them flush it out by briefly turning the water back on, with appropriate precautions. if you try this dont use the main houses valve, i did once it wouldnt shut off and flooded the basement by the time the water company got things turned off....... ************************************************** ******** You could test it first. |
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shower, and disassemble the valve, them flush it out by briefly turning the water back on, with appropriate precautions. if you try this dont use the main houses valve, i did once it wouldnt shut off and flooded the basement by the time the water company got things turned off....... ************************************************** ******** You could test it first. a old valve that works fine can fail under a high unlimited flow situation, i learned this the hard way |
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