Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass
britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with
some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for
everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking.

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously
aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?
It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without
causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders
or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional
components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern.

Call it The Rapper Zapper.

Just wonderin'.

:-)

Hi!

I don't know about building a dedicated device, nor am I sure I like the
aspect of damaging something that isn't mine, but...I know what you're
saying.

If you were close enough, and they happened to be listening to over-the-air
FM radio, you could try a low power FM transmitter. Some of them do have
surprisingly good range and can cover/distort an existing station when close
enough to the receiver. I've got one that seems to be able to go about 30
feet or so.

Then there is the direct (and bold) approach--walk over, reach in through
the window and turn the thing off. Or if you're feeling vindictive, pull a
small mallet out of your pocket and thoroughly bash in the head unit. But I
didn't say that. ;-)

William

"Spob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass
britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with
some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for
everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking.

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously
aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?
It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without
causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders
or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional
components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern.

Call it The Rapper Zapper.

Just wonderin'.

:-)


This would be awesome!!! But why shouldn't it be aimed at the person too?

"Jon Slaughter" wrote in message
et...

"Spob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass
britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with
some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for
everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking.

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously
aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?
It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without
causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders
or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional
components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern.

Call it The Rapper Zapper.

Just wonderin'.

:-)


This would be awesome!!! But why shouldn't it be aimed at the person too?

I believe that the solution has been manufactured for some time:
http://www.slugger.com/baseball/wood/gamep72dj.html

Leonard

Jon Slaughter wrote:

This would be awesome!!! But why shouldn't it be aimed at the person too?


Simple: Their mind is already fried.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Spob wrote:

Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass
britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with
some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for
everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking.

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously
aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?
It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without
causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders
or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional
components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern.

Call it The Rapper Zapper.

Just wonderin'.

:-)

In the 80's there were lots of people in my neighborhood with illegal
linear amplifiers on their CB radios. When they would key up these
unregulated, unshielded transmitter would put out harmonics on all the
radio and TV stations within a mile or so.
This loud annoying buzz would probably damage the speakers and amps of
such a system.
This would definitely be illegal in the USA and probably other countries
but it would do the trick.

Jumpster Jiver wrote:

Spob wrote:

Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass
britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with
some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for
everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking.

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously
aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?
It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without
causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders
or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional
components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern.

Call it The Rapper Zapper.

Just wonderin'.

:-)

In the 80's there were lots of people in my neighborhood with illegal
linear amplifiers on their CB radios. When they would key up these
unregulated, unshielded transmitter would put out harmonics on all the
radio and TV stations within a mile or so.
This loud annoying buzz would probably damage the speakers and amps of
such a system.
This would definitely be illegal in the USA and probably other countries
but it would do the trick.
Friend had one of these in the neighborhood. The jerk even used an old
TV antenna so it wouldn't be 'obvious' it was him, which just tended to
better radiate the offending frequencies. So, friend walked up to jerks
house, and put a staple through the twin-lead. Jerk keys up next, and
magic smoke is released in plentitude!

Charlie

"Spob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass
britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with
some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for
everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking.

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously
aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?
It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without
causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders
or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional
components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern.

Call it The Rapper Zapper.

Just wonderin'.

:-)


No chance someone like that is listening to broadcast radio. There's nothing
covert you could build that wouldn't damage people too.

"James Sweet" wrote in message
news:zTNxi.3849$z83.3457@trndny09...

"Spob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass
britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with
some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for
everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking.

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously
aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?
It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without
causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders
or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional
components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern.

Call it The Rapper Zapper.

Just wonderin'.

:-)


No chance someone like that is listening to broadcast radio. There's
nothing covert you could build that wouldn't damage people too.

Three letters: EMP.

The trick is to focus it on just the target.

On 8/19/07 5:42 AM, Arny Krueger wrote:
"James Sweet" wrote in message
news:zTNxi.3849$z83.3457@trndny09...
"Spob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass
britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with
some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for
everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking.

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously
aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?
It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without
causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders
or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional
components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern.

Call it The Rapper Zapper.

Just wonderin'.

:-)

No chance someone like that is listening to broadcast radio. There's
nothing covert you could build that wouldn't damage people too.

Three letters: EMP.

The trick is to focus it on just the target.



But you would also fry ALL the electronics around that car. Big lawsuit
potential. Better to just let them go deaf.

In message , Dan
writes
But you would also fry ALL the electronics around that car. Big
lawsuit potential. Better to just let them go deaf.
That's exactly what you should do. I have invested heavily in Amplivox
hearing aid stocks, it's a long term thing but I feel I'm on a winner.
--
Clint Sharp

On 8/18/07 9:26 PM, James Sweet wrote:
"Spob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass
britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with
some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for
everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking.

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously
aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?
It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without
causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders
or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional
components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern.

Call it The Rapper Zapper.

Just wonderin'.

:-)


No chance someone like that is listening to broadcast radio. There's nothing
covert you could build that wouldn't damage people too.



How you you triangulate on a signal since radio/cd/digital player is not
a transmitter?

James Sweet posted to sci.electronics.design:


"Spob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and
saggass britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of
the store with some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out
of his truck for everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking.

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be
surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some
crucial components? It would have to be able to do it on a pretty
localized basis without causing damage to the person aiming the
gizmo or innocent bystanders or their car's electronics. Whether
it would fry any additional components of said target punk's car
isn't of great concern.

Call it The Rapper Zapper.

Just wonderin'.

:-)


No chance someone like that is listening to broadcast radio.
There's nothing covert you could build that wouldn't damage people
too.

Naw, a 30-06 would do the job nicely. But damaging the owner as
well does sound like a good idea. Perhaps a longitudinal shot
through the gas tank and the power amplifier could be best.

Spob wrote:

Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass
britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with
some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for
everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking.

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously
aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?
It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without
causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders
or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional
components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern.

Call it The Rapper Zapper.

Just wonderin'.

:-)

NO

Spob wrote:

snip

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously
aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?

snip

I assume many high power radar site operators have pet stories to
tell, but I remember one that deserves a retelling:

There was a Merritt Island cop who set up a speed trap on a road perhaps
a mile downroad from a powerful range tracking radar station. The operators
were not amused with the daily harassment from him and decided to make his
life a little more interesting and theirs a little less hassled. Siting the
cop's squad car in the telescoping aiming site of the radar dish, one of the
operators briefly keyed a pulse train and watched. Soon the car left but
returned the next day. Again the operator sited and pulsed the car and again
it left. After the third day it did not return. I do not know if the tracking
radar and cop's radar gun were on the same band, however I do know that 1MW of
microwaves was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to burn out
its front end.

Regards,

Michael

msg wrote:

Spob wrote:

snip

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously
aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?

snip

I assume many high power radar site operators have pet stories to
tell, but I remember one that deserves a retelling:

There was a Merritt Island cop who set up a speed trap on a road perhaps
a mile downroad from a powerful range tracking radar station. The operators
were not amused with the daily harassment from him and decided to make his
life a little more interesting and theirs a little less hassled. Siting the
cop's squad car in the telescoping aiming site of the radar dish, one of the
operators briefly keyed a pulse train and watched. Soon the car left but
returned the next day. Again the operator sited and pulsed the car and again
it left. After the third day it did not return. I do not know if the tracking
radar and cop's radar gun were on the same band, however I do know that 1MW of
microwaves was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to burn out
its front end.

Regards,

Michael


Bull****. The antennas rotate, but the elevation is fixed. There is
no telescope on any RADAR Antenna, and no way to "Siting the cop's squad
car". There are no keying of brief pulses, the system works with a
steady stream of pulsed RF, and measuring the reflected signals. I did
some RADAR work in the US Army, and there was a pair of 2 MW pulsed
RADAR transmitters in our building. You are spreading an urban legend,
with enough holes to sink the Titanic (again). If the RADAR equipment
in a cruiser WAS damaged, it was because the idiot cop was too close to
the RADAR site, and it was a coincidence. Even this is hard to believe,
because RADAR sites are usually well inside a fenced area, far from
civilian areas, and high enough to clear close in ground clutter. The
high gain, highly directional antennas do not radiate enough near field
RF to do any damage, unless the cruiser was on very high a hilltop, and
less than a 1/4 mile from the RADAR site.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

msg wrote:

Spob wrote:

snip

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously
aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?

snip

I assume many high power radar site operators have pet stories to
tell, but I remember one that deserves a retelling:

There was a Merritt Island cop who set up a speed trap on a road perhaps
a mile downroad from a powerful range tracking radar station. The operators
were not amused with the daily harassment from him and decided to make his
life a little more interesting and theirs a little less hassled. Siting the
cop's squad car in the telescoping aiming site of the radar dish, one of the
operators briefly keyed a pulse train and watched. Soon the car left but
returned the next day. Again the operator sited and pulsed the car and again
it left. After the third day it did not return. I do not know if the tracking
radar and cop's radar gun were on the same band, however I do know that 1MW of
microwaves was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to burn out
its front end.

Regards,

Michael



Bull****. The antennas rotate, but the elevation is fixed. There is
no telescope on any RADAR Antenna, and no way to "Siting the cop's squad
car".

I beg to differ. Our organization had two AN/MPQ-10A mortar tracking radars
(250kW) which had telescopic sites, could be manually aimed and manually
pulsed.

The above story was told by an operator our Apollo 12 task force got to know.

Regards,

Michael

In sci.physics Michael A. Terrell wrote:
msg wrote:

Spob wrote:

snip

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously
aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?

snip

I assume many high power radar site operators have pet stories to
tell, but I remember one that deserves a retelling:

There was a Merritt Island cop who set up a speed trap on a road perhaps
a mile downroad from a powerful range tracking radar station. The operators
were not amused with the daily harassment from him and decided to make his
life a little more interesting and theirs a little less hassled. Siting the
cop's squad car in the telescoping aiming site of the radar dish, one of the
operators briefly keyed a pulse train and watched. Soon the car left but
returned the next day. Again the operator sited and pulsed the car and again
it left. After the third day it did not return. I do not know if the tracking
radar and cop's radar gun were on the same band, however I do know that 1MW of
microwaves was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to burn out
its front end.

Regards,

Michael


Bull****. The antennas rotate, but the elevation is fixed. There is
no telescope on any RADAR Antenna, and no way to "Siting the cop's squad
car". There are no keying of brief pulses, the system works with a
steady stream of pulsed RF, and measuring the reflected signals. I did
some RADAR work in the US Army, and there was a pair of 2 MW pulsed
RADAR transmitters in our building. You are spreading an urban legend,
with enough holes to sink the Titanic (again). If the RADAR equipment
in a cruiser WAS damaged, it was because the idiot cop was too close to
the RADAR site, and it was a coincidence. Even this is hard to believe,
because RADAR sites are usually well inside a fenced area, far from
civilian areas, and high enough to clear close in ground clutter. The
high gain, highly directional antennas do not radiate enough near field
RF to do any damage, unless the cruiser was on very high a hilltop, and
less than a 1/4 mile from the RADAR site.

US Army Nike had a missle track, target track and a target range radar,
all of which were steerable in both azimuth and elevation.

Since Nike radars were normally deployed on the highest hill around,
the MTR, TTR, and TRR could all be depressed below the horizon.

All of them were boresighted and aligned by bolting on the telescope,
going to manual control, and aiming them with a box that hung by a strap
around your neck at the alignment target about a quarter mile away.

We used to regularly break the MP's speed radar at Ft Bliss until the
MP's wised up and made sure there was a metal building between them
and us.

We could wipe them out to about a mile away and jam them a lot
farther than that.

This was the late 60's.

While I was in Korea, a spook detachment set up a listening post
down the hill from us.

They were a bunch of jerks and ****ed off everyone, so I gave their
equipment the same treatment.

They moved to the next mountain after they got their gear fixed.

Tell me more about your toy radars.

--
Jim Pennino

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In sci.physics Michael A. Terrell wrote:
msg wrote:

Spob wrote:

snip

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously
aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?

snip

I assume many high power radar site operators have pet stories to
tell, but I remember one that deserves a retelling:

There was a Merritt Island cop who set up a speed trap on a road perhaps
a mile downroad from a powerful range tracking radar station. The operators
were not amused with the daily harassment from him and decided to make his
life a little more interesting and theirs a little less hassled. Siting the
cop's squad car in the telescoping aiming site of the radar dish, one of the
operators briefly keyed a pulse train and watched. Soon the car left but
returned the next day. Again the operator sited and pulsed the car and again
it left. After the third day it did not return. I do not know if the tracking
radar and cop's radar gun were on the same band, however I do know that 1MW of
microwaves was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to burn out
its front end.

Regards,

Michael

Bull****. The antennas rotate, but the elevation is fixed. There is
no telescope on any RADAR Antenna, and no way to "Siting the cop's squad
car". There are no keying of brief pulses, the system works with a
steady stream of pulsed RF, and measuring the reflected signals. I did
some RADAR work in the US Army, and there was a pair of 2 MW pulsed
RADAR transmitters in our building. You are spreading an urban legend,
with enough holes to sink the Titanic (again). If the RADAR equipment
in a cruiser WAS damaged, it was because the idiot cop was too close to
the RADAR site, and it was a coincidence. Even this is hard to believe,
because RADAR sites are usually well inside a fenced area, far from
civilian areas, and high enough to clear close in ground clutter. The
high gain, highly directional antennas do not radiate enough near field
RF to do any damage, unless the cruiser was on very high a hilltop, and
less than a 1/4 mile from the RADAR site.

US Army Nike had a missle track, target track and a target range radar,
all of which were steerable in both azimuth and elevation.

Since Nike radars were normally deployed on the highest hill around,
the MTR, TTR, and TRR could all be depressed below the horizon.

All of them were boresighted and aligned by bolting on the telescope,
going to manual control, and aiming them with a box that hung by a strap
around your neck at the alignment target about a quarter mile away.


Do you really think any of these antiques are still in use?


We used to regularly break the MP's speed radar at Ft Bliss until the
MP's wised up and made sure there was a metal building between them
and us.

We could wipe them out to about a mile away and jam them a lot
farther than that.

This was the late 60's.


Late '60s? the police used real garbage, with an unprotected 1N23
type diode in the horn as a mixer. Just touching the element in the
horn would blow those diodes. Hell, a UHF ham radio transmitter would
take them out, at well under a kilowatt. The front end diodes were
shipped, wrapped in a thick layer of lead foil. I think I still have a
couple Western Electric surplus around, somewhere.


While I was in Korea, a spook detachment set up a listening post
down the hill from us.

They were a bunch of jerks and ****ed off everyone, so I gave their
equipment the same treatment.


Sure. If they knew what caused it, you would have spent at least
five years in Leavenworth.


They moved to the next mountain after they got their gear fixed.

Tell me more about your toy radars.


Toy? they were used a Carin Airfield, just a few miles from Ft
Rucker Alabama, for the US Army helicopter and US Air Force Air Traffic
Controller schools. 2 million watts is not a toy. It had a 200 mile
maximum range, and was built by Westinghouse. two complete, hot systems
that could be switched over at the flip of a switch, if there was any
problems. Five techs on duty, 24/7 doing routine maintenance, and
emergency repairs. If they went down, two schools and 17 airfields were
shut down to all non instrument rated pilots.



--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

In sci.physics Michael A. Terrell wrote:
wrote:

In sci.physics Michael A. Terrell wrote:
msg wrote:

Spob wrote:

snip

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously
aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?

snip

I assume many high power radar site operators have pet stories to
tell, but I remember one that deserves a retelling:

There was a Merritt Island cop who set up a speed trap on a road perhaps
a mile downroad from a powerful range tracking radar station. The operators
were not amused with the daily harassment from him and decided to make his
life a little more interesting and theirs a little less hassled. Siting the
cop's squad car in the telescoping aiming site of the radar dish, one of the
operators briefly keyed a pulse train and watched. Soon the car left but
returned the next day. Again the operator sited and pulsed the car and again
it left. After the third day it did not return. I do not know if the tracking
radar and cop's radar gun were on the same band, however I do know that 1MW of
microwaves was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to burn out
its front end.

Regards,

Michael

Bull****. The antennas rotate, but the elevation is fixed. There is
no telescope on any RADAR Antenna, and no way to "Siting the cop's squad
car". There are no keying of brief pulses, the system works with a
steady stream of pulsed RF, and measuring the reflected signals. I did
some RADAR work in the US Army, and there was a pair of 2 MW pulsed
RADAR transmitters in our building. You are spreading an urban legend,
with enough holes to sink the Titanic (again). If the RADAR equipment
in a cruiser WAS damaged, it was because the idiot cop was too close to
the RADAR site, and it was a coincidence. Even this is hard to believe,
because RADAR sites are usually well inside a fenced area, far from
civilian areas, and high enough to clear close in ground clutter. The
high gain, highly directional antennas do not radiate enough near field
RF to do any damage, unless the cruiser was on very high a hilltop, and
less than a 1/4 mile from the RADAR site.

US Army Nike had a missle track, target track and a target range radar,
all of which were steerable in both azimuth and elevation.

Since Nike radars were normally deployed on the highest hill around,
the MTR, TTR, and TRR could all be depressed below the horizon.

All of them were boresighted and aligned by bolting on the telescope,
going to manual control, and aiming them with a box that hung by a strap
around your neck at the alignment target about a quarter mile away.


Do you really think any of these antiques are still in use?

The US retired all its Nike sites in the mid 70's.

Taiwan was using Nike until 1997 and Greece was using it until 2004.

I have no idea of the current status of Turkey, Italy, and South
Korea, but all were using it in 2000.

The whole system was upgraded in the 70's and all the tube based
stuff replaced with solid state.

We used to regularly break the MP's speed radar at Ft Bliss until the
MP's wised up and made sure there was a metal building between them
and us.

We could wipe them out to about a mile away and jam them a lot
farther than that.

This was the late 60's.


Late '60s? the police used real garbage, with an unprotected 1N23
type diode in the horn as a mixer. Just touching the element in the
horn would blow those diodes. Hell, a UHF ham radio transmitter would
take them out, at well under a kilowatt. The front end diodes were
shipped, wrapped in a thick layer of lead foil. I think I still have a
couple Western Electric surplus around, somewhere.

Yep, that's why we could blow them from so far away.

While I was in Korea, a spook detachment set up a listening post
down the hill from us.

They were a bunch of jerks and ****ed off everyone, so I gave their
equipment the same treatment.


Sure. If they knew what caused it, you would have spent at least
five years in Leavenworth.

They obviously knew what caused it.

What they didn't know and couldn't prove was that it was anything
other than a routine maintenance operation.

And since we had guys with guns to make sure nobody wandered into
the IFC operational area, there is no way they could snoop around.


They moved to the next mountain after they got their gear fixed.

Tell me more about your toy radars.

Toy? they were used a Carin Airfield, just a few miles from Ft
Rucker Alabama, for the US Army helicopter and US Air Force Air Traffic
Controller schools. 2 million watts is not a toy. It had a 200 mile
maximum range, and was built by Westinghouse. two complete, hot systems
that could be switched over at the flip of a switch, if there was any
problems. Five techs on duty, 24/7 doing routine maintenance, and
emergency repairs. If they went down, two schools and 17 airfields were
shut down to all non instrument rated pilots.

A mere 2 MW?

A Nike LOPAR is 1 MW, ABAR is 5 MW, HIPAR 10.4 MW.

A Nike site always had a LOPAR and either an ABAR or a HIPAR depending
on the particulars of the site.

A hot site had 5 radars going at one time.

A **** duty on a Nike site was to go into the HIPAR dome and get rid
of the bird bodies inside and sweep them up from the outside. Birds
only got close the the HIPAR once.

The Michigan site I was on was not supposed to run the HIPAR other than
into the dummy load unless there was a "situation" as it wiped out
Detroit's ATC radar 50 miles away.

A Nike site had about 50 people and was manned 24/7. Sites in places
like Korea had a infantry company for "guard duty".

My radar is bigger than your radar.


--
Jim Pennino

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Toy? they were used a Carin Airfield, just a few miles from Ft
Rucker Alabama, for the US Army helicopter and US Air Force Air
Traffic
Controller schools. 2 million watts is not a toy. It had a 200 mile
maximum range, and was built by Westinghouse. two complete, hot
systems
that could be switched over at the flip of a switch, if there was any
problems. Five techs on duty, 24/7 doing routine maintenance, and
emergency repairs. If they went down, two schools and 17 airfields
were
shut down to all non instrument rated pilots.

The US Air Force's air traffic control school was and (assuming they
cleaned up after Katrina) is at Keesler AFB, Biloxi, Mississipi. As
was the radar technician school. I was an Air Traffic Controller in
the Air Force from 1975-1982.

At no time did we use "live" radar. It was all simulation. Control
tower training (as opposed to radar training) consisted of students
holding toy airplanes in position as instructed over a ping-pong type
table which had been painted to resemble an airport. Some guys got
pretty good at imitating a cessna's engine noise. ; -)

Further, in both the Air Force and FAA, radar failures were and are
still common. That was one of the major issues that caused the
controller strike in 1982. We had to then convert to non radar
procedures. which consisted of, among other things, increasing
spacing and having the pilots report "fixes". Airports do not close
because of these failures. Non-Instrument rated pilots do not as a
rule use the ATC system except for radar advisories and controllers
provide this service to VFR pilots on a time permitting basis. The
exception is the airspace near large airports and certain other high
traffic areas.

Regards,

MickeyD

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
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msg wrote:

Spob wrote:

snip

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously
aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?

There was a Merritt Island cop who set up a speed trap on a road perhaps
a mile downroad from a powerful range tracking radar station.

Bull****. The antennas rotate, but the elevation is fixed.

The magic word is "tracking". You're thinking of an acquisition radar. Aq
radars just rotate.

Tracking radar antennas move in both elevation and azimuth, for pretty
obvious reasons.

Tracking radars are more likely to run in X band, for many technical
reasons. In the past, police radars have run on X band.

Tracking radars are powerful enough that they have special technical
features that keep them from burning themselves out, if you catch my drift.

In my Army days I maintained both aq and track radars. Our trackers radiated
more continuous energy than any other radar on site, so much so that each of
the two trackers had its own very large trailer-mounted generator when
operated in the field. At the Miami site I worked, some young operators
used the trackers to roast land crabs.

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msg wrote:

Spob wrote:

snip

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be
surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry
some crucial components?

snip

I assume many high power radar site operators have pet stories to
tell, but I remember one that deserves a retelling:

There was a Merritt Island cop who set up a speed trap on a road
perhaps
a mile downroad from a powerful range tracking radar station.
The operators were not amused with the daily harassment from him
and decided to make his
life a little more interesting and theirs a little less hassled.
Siting the cop's squad car in the telescoping aiming site of the
radar dish, one of the
operators briefly keyed a pulse train and watched. Soon the car
left but
returned the next day. Again the operator sited and pulsed the
car and again
it left. After the third day it did not return. I do not know
if the tracking radar and cop's radar gun were on the same band,
however I do know that 1MW of microwaves was sufficiently
nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to burn out its front end.

Regards,

Michael


Bull****. The antennas rotate, but the elevation is fixed.
There is
no telescope on any RADAR Antenna, and no way to "Siting the cop's
squad
car". There are no keying of brief pulses, the system works with
a
steady stream of pulsed RF, and measuring the reflected signals.
I did some RADAR work in the US Army, and there was a pair of 2 MW
pulsed
RADAR transmitters in our building. You are spreading an urban
legend,
with enough holes to sink the Titanic (again). If the RADAR
equipment in a cruiser WAS damaged, it was because the idiot cop
was too close to
the RADAR site, and it was a coincidence. Even this is hard to
believe, because RADAR sites are usually well inside a fenced
area, far from
civilian areas, and high enough to clear close in ground clutter.
The high gain, highly directional antennas do not radiate enough
near field RF to do any damage, unless the cruiser was on very
high a hilltop, and less than a 1/4 mile from the RADAR site.


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I have seen plenty of that type radar. It is not the only type.
Physically two axis mobile radars predominate in the military, or
did you forget? Newer military radars do not even have moving
antennas, they are electronically "steered". Both are capable of
sending a multi-megawatt beam where desired. Though a few
kilowatts would be enough.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in
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Bull****. The antennas rotate, but the elevation is
fixed.

Tracking radars have both elevation and azimuth axes and drives.

There is no telescope on any RADAR Antenna,

Sure there are, when you have to synchronize them, as you do in a missile
battery.

My recollection is that you sight the acquisition radar on a marker some
distance away, and then sight the trackers on the acq in rotation.

and no way to "Siting the cop's squad car".

Easy to do with with any of the trackers.

There are no keying of brief pulses,

Sure, kick the radar's transmitter out of standby and into transmit.

the system works with a steady stream of pulsed RF,

Or CW.

and measuring the reflected signals.

Congratulations, you finally got a fact right!

If the RADAR equipment in a
cruiser WAS damaged, it was because the idiot cop was too
close to the RADAR site,

In a manner of speaking. ;-)

RADAR sites are usually well inside a fenced area,

Yes, but the fenced in areas aren't necessarily that large.

For example, there are the remains of a Nike Hercules site at N42 34' 15".
W82 58' 23". The building on the north side of the road at that location
looks to me like a Hercules Assembly and Service building. The road running
diagonal south of is is Utica road a major heavily-used public road, and its
been there and in continous service since the 1800s. The radars were on
pylons tree-covered area south of the road.

There was another Nike Hercules site at W83 03' 03" N 42 38' 21". You can
see what it looked like in the days of, at
http://nikehercules.tripod.com/d-06.html . The road that the site is on has
again been there since the 1800s, is a major public road, and was in
continuous service while the site was in use.

far from civilian areas, and

No. There was an Ajax site, nitric acid fuel and all, immediately next to 7
mile road in Detroit, inside the Detroit city limits. Our family drove by it
on the way to church on Sunday. A few hundred feet away from the launchers
were occupied residences.

high enough to clear close in ground clutter.

Concrete pylons or steel towers, if necessary.

The high
gain, highly directional antennas do not radiate enough
near field RF to do any damage,

Just cook birds and land crabs. Oh, and give me sun burns on cloudy days
when I worked on them powered up for adjustments.

unless the cruiser was on
very high a hilltop, and less than a 1/4 mile from the
RADAR site.

As I've shown, many air defense sites had heavily-used public roads running
right through them!

In sci.physics Arny Krueger wrote:

As I've shown, many air defense sites had heavily-used public roads running
right through them!

Since Nike sites in the US were normally deployed around major cities,
it would have been rather hard to place one far from public areas.

The Union Lake, Michigan site was surrounded by a Little League ball
field, a public golf course, and housing developments.

If we had had to fire, the boosters would have come down in a housing
tract, but better a Nike booster through your roof than a Soviet
nuclear device.

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In sci.physics Arny Krueger wrote:

As I've shown, many air defense sites had heavily-used
public roads running right through them!

Since Nike sites in the US were normally deployed around
major cities, it would have been rather hard to place one
far from public areas.

The Union Lake, Michigan site was surrounded by a Little
League ball field, a public golf course, and housing
developments.

If we had had to fire, the boosters would have come down
in a housing tract, but better a Nike booster through
your roof than a Soviet nuclear device.

Agreed. We had a Hawk site in Miami where you could overlook a subdivision
from several radar towers. Eventually the Army sold the site's plot of land
to the developers, and this was the first of the batteries in our battalion
to simply disappear.

msg wrote:
Spob wrote:

snip

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously
aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?

snip

I assume many high power radar site operators have pet stories to
tell, but I remember one that deserves a retelling:

There was a Merritt Island cop who set up a speed trap on a road perhaps
a mile downroad from a powerful range tracking radar station. The
operators
were not amused with the daily harassment from him and decided to make his
life a little more interesting and theirs a little less hassled. Siting
the
cop's squad car in the telescoping aiming site of the radar dish, one of
the
operators briefly keyed a pulse train and watched. Soon the car left but
returned the next day. Again the operator sited and pulsed the car and
again
it left. After the third day it did not return. I do not know if the
tracking
radar and cop's radar gun were on the same band, however I do know that
1MW of
microwaves was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to
burn out
its front end.

Hi...

I bet it was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to
burn out the cop's front end, too.

Take care.

Ken

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I do not know if the tracking
radar and cop's radar gun were on the same band, however I do know that
1MW of microwaves was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving
end to burn out its front end.

I bet it was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to
burn out the cop's front end, too.

When people talk about megawatt radars, they are talking pulse peak powers.
Radar pulses are very narrow - less than a microsecond. However, its peak
voltage that usually frys semiconductors.

If these megawatt-rated radars were not sending out short pulses, but
continuous power, they'd have to build a commerical electrical generating
plant next to them to run them in the field.

In sci.physics Arny Krueger wrote:

"Ken Weitzel" wrote in message
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I do not know if the tracking
radar and cop's radar gun were on the same band, however I do know that
1MW of microwaves was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving
end to burn out its front end.

I bet it was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to
burn out the cop's front end, too.

When people talk about megawatt radars, they are talking pulse peak powers.
Radar pulses are very narrow - less than a microsecond. However, its peak
voltage that usually frys semiconductors.

If these megawatt-rated radars were not sending out short pulses, but
continuous power, they'd have to build a commerical electrical generating
plant next to them to run them in the field.

Nike HIPAR, 10.4 MW, pulse width 6 microseconds.

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In sci.physics Arny Krueger wrote:

"Ken Weitzel" wrote in message
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I do not know if the tracking
radar and cop's radar gun were on the same band, however I do know
that
1MW of microwaves was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the
receiving
end to burn out its front end.

I bet it was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to
burn out the cop's front end, too.

When people talk about megawatt radars, they are talking pulse peak
powers.
Radar pulses are very narrow - less than a microsecond. However, its peak
voltage that usually frys semiconductors.

If these megawatt-rated radars were not sending out short pulses, but
continuous power, they'd have to build a commerical electrical generating
plant next to them to run them in the field.

Nike HIPAR, 10.4 MW, pulse width 6 microseconds.

10.4 * 10**6 * 6 * 10**-6 = 62.4 watts average power.

Hawk 2nd generation tracking HPIR CW RADAR AN/MPQ 39 power seems to have
not yet been revealed publicly. It has been publicly stated that the AN/MPQ
39 power output level exceeded that of the earlier AN/MPQ 33, which was 125
watts. This is a vast understatement!

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In sci.physics Arny Krueger wrote:

"Ken Weitzel" wrote in message
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I do not know if the tracking
radar and cop's radar gun were on the same band, however I do know that
1MW of microwaves was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving
end to burn out its front end.

I bet it was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to
burn out the cop's front end, too.

When people talk about megawatt radars, they are talking pulse peak powers.
Radar pulses are very narrow - less than a microsecond. However, its peak
voltage that usually frys semiconductors.

If these megawatt-rated radars were not sending out short pulses, but
continuous power, they'd have to build a commerical electrical generating
plant next to them to run them in the field.

Nike HIPAR, 10.4 MW, pulse width 6 microseconds.

The array radars on the F-22 and JSF are reported to hit gigawatts
peak, and may one day get into the terawatt range. That would be
enough to fry the electronics on any current-generation missile or
plane, and maybe leave tanks and ships dead and immobile. And make
stealth planes un-stealthy at 100 mile ranges.

BAE is developing some of the laser-fired switches that make the peak
power.

John

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Nike HIPAR, 10.4 MW, pulse width 6 microseconds.

I believe there was a radar in that class that operated next to I-75 in
Sault St Marie, Michigan. Every time the antenna rotated past the freeway,
you'd hear the PRF though your car radio as a "zzzzzip".

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"Ken Weitzel" wrote in message
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I do not know if the tracking
radar and cop's radar gun were on the same band, however I do
know that 1MW of microwaves was sufficiently nondiscriminatory
at the receiving end to burn out its front end.

I bet it was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end
to burn out the cop's front end, too.

When people talk about megawatt radars, they are talking pulse
peak powers. Radar pulses are very narrow - less than a
microsecond. However, its peak voltage that usually frys
semiconductors.

It is energy or power that fries the semiconductors more than
voltage per se.


If these megawatt-rated radars were not sending out short pulses,
but continuous power, they'd have to build a commerical electrical
generating plant next to them to run them in the field.

Nonsense, i have worked on projects with feeds in the 500 kVA to
5000 kVA range, they all were fed from the local utility at medium
voltage or 480/277 3-phase. They build generating plants at the
1000 MVA range (about 1000 times larger). This is excepting
co-generation where the idea is to make use of otherwise waste
gasses.

"Spob" wrote in message...

Call it The Rapper Zapper.


How about, "MC Mute".... that should confuse the enemy. ;-)

Spob wrote:
Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass
britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with
some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for
everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking.

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously
aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?
(snip)

Could it be built? Certainly. I can think of half a dozen
focused energy technologies that are within present human
technical capability. They are usually referred to as weapons.

Would you be able to afford it? Probably not. Would it be
legal to own and operate? Almost certainly not.

John Popelish posted to sci.electronics.design:

Spob wrote:
Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and
saggass britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of
the store with some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out
of his truck for everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking.

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be
surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some
crucial components?
(snip)

Could it be built? Certainly. I can think of half a dozen
focused energy technologies that are within present human
technical capability. They are usually referred to as weapons.

Would you be able to afford it? Probably not. Would it be
legal to own and operate? Almost certainly not.

Nor would it be as portable as a 30-06.

"Spob" wrote:

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed
at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?

Fry?...don't think so. However, take a look at this:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...1b9cruise.html

http://www.atcsd.com/site/content/view/25/35/

Bob

"Bob" wrote in message
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"Spob" wrote:

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed
at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?

Fry?...don't think so. However, take a look at this:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...1b9cruise.html

http://www.atcsd.com/site/content/view/25/35/


FYI- there is a system already fielded for 20 years, that does fry
electronics, military uses it.

Dear Leader wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message
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Fry?...don't think so. However, take a look at this:

FYI- there is a system already fielded for 20 years, that does fry
electronics, military uses it.

Yes, "fry". Did you guys see the 60 minutes piece some time ago about
some "inventor" who had a device to "fry" auto computers. Details were
sparce, but clearly seemed to be some kind of cross between a tesla
coil and a microwave pulser. He stopped a running car at some
distance (cheated by having hood up).

The point is that any solid state device always has a bunch of semi-
conductors that follow the rule: Semiconductor parts make better fuses
than fuses! Usually most solid state circuit boards have some of
these are low voltage parts that can't take much emi.

I wouldn't be surprised if cops had emi car stoppers right now. Sure
beats a 100 MPH chase or those tire spikes that could send a 100 MPH
car into a neighborhood house. I have also heard rumors that all
modern car computers have "secret" codes that can be transmitted into
them that stops them. Wouldn't surprise me a bit.

Benj wrote:

Dear Leader wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message
...

Fry?...don't think so. However, take a look at this:

FYI- there is a system already fielded for 20 years, that does fry
electronics, military uses it.

Yes, "fry". Did you guys see the 60 minutes piece some time ago about
some "inventor" who had a device to "fry" auto computers. Details were
sparce, but clearly seemed to be some kind of cross between a tesla
coil and a microwave pulser. He stopped a running car at some
distance (cheated by having hood up).

The point is that any solid state device always has a bunch of semi-
conductors that follow the rule: Semiconductor parts make better fuses
than fuses! Usually most solid state circuit boards have some of
these are low voltage parts that can't take much emi.

I wouldn't be surprised if cops had emi car stoppers right now. Sure
beats a 100 MPH chase or those tire spikes that could send a 100 MPH
car into a neighborhood house. I have also heard rumors that all
modern car computers have "secret" codes that can be transmitted into
them that stops them. Wouldn't surprise me a bit.


Par a noid.


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Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida