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Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass
britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking. Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern. Call it The Rapper Zapper. Just wonderin'. :-) |
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I don't know about building a dedicated device, nor am I sure I like the aspect of damaging something that isn't mine, but...I know what you're saying. If you were close enough, and they happened to be listening to over-the-air FM radio, you could try a low power FM transmitter. Some of them do have surprisingly good range and can cover/distort an existing station when close enough to the receiver. I've got one that seems to be able to go about 30 feet or so. Then there is the direct (and bold) approach--walk over, reach in through the window and turn the thing off. Or if you're feeling vindictive, pull a small mallet out of your pocket and thoroughly bash in the head unit. But I didn't say that. ;-) William |
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"Spob" wrote in message ups.com... Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking. Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern. Call it The Rapper Zapper. Just wonderin'. :-) This would be awesome!!! But why shouldn't it be aimed at the person too? |
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Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking. Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern. Call it The Rapper Zapper. Just wonderin'. :-) In the 80's there were lots of people in my neighborhood with illegal linear amplifiers on their CB radios. When they would key up these unregulated, unshielded transmitter would put out harmonics on all the radio and TV stations within a mile or so. This loud annoying buzz would probably damage the speakers and amps of such a system. This would definitely be illegal in the USA and probably other countries but it would do the trick. |
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"Jon Slaughter" wrote in message et... "Spob" wrote in message ups.com... Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking. Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern. Call it The Rapper Zapper. Just wonderin'. :-) This would be awesome!!! But why shouldn't it be aimed at the person too? I believe that the solution has been manufactured for some time: http://www.slugger.com/baseball/wood/gamep72dj.html Leonard |
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"Spob" wrote in message ups.com... Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking. Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern. Call it The Rapper Zapper. Just wonderin'. :-) No chance someone like that is listening to broadcast radio. There's nothing covert you could build that wouldn't damage people too. |
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Spob wrote:
Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking. Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern. Call it The Rapper Zapper. Just wonderin'. :-) NO |
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snip Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? snip I assume many high power radar site operators have pet stories to tell, but I remember one that deserves a retelling: There was a Merritt Island cop who set up a speed trap on a road perhaps a mile downroad from a powerful range tracking radar station. The operators were not amused with the daily harassment from him and decided to make his life a little more interesting and theirs a little less hassled. Siting the cop's squad car in the telescoping aiming site of the radar dish, one of the operators briefly keyed a pulse train and watched. Soon the car left but returned the next day. Again the operator sited and pulsed the car and again it left. After the third day it did not return. I do not know if the tracking radar and cop's radar gun were on the same band, however I do know that 1MW of microwaves was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to burn out its front end. Regards, Michael |
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Jon Slaughter wrote:
This would be awesome!!! But why shouldn't it be aimed at the person too? Simple: Their mind is already fried. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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"Spob" wrote in message... Call it The Rapper Zapper. How about, "MC Mute".... that should confuse the enemy. ;-) |
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Spob wrote: snip Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? snip I assume many high power radar site operators have pet stories to tell, but I remember one that deserves a retelling: There was a Merritt Island cop who set up a speed trap on a road perhaps a mile downroad from a powerful range tracking radar station. The operators were not amused with the daily harassment from him and decided to make his life a little more interesting and theirs a little less hassled. Siting the cop's squad car in the telescoping aiming site of the radar dish, one of the operators briefly keyed a pulse train and watched. Soon the car left but returned the next day. Again the operator sited and pulsed the car and again it left. After the third day it did not return. I do not know if the tracking radar and cop's radar gun were on the same band, however I do know that 1MW of microwaves was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to burn out its front end. Regards, Michael Bull****. The antennas rotate, but the elevation is fixed. There is no telescope on any RADAR Antenna, and no way to "Siting the cop's squad car". There are no keying of brief pulses, the system works with a steady stream of pulsed RF, and measuring the reflected signals. I did some RADAR work in the US Army, and there was a pair of 2 MW pulsed RADAR transmitters in our building. You are spreading an urban legend, with enough holes to sink the Titanic (again). If the RADAR equipment in a cruiser WAS damaged, it was because the idiot cop was too close to the RADAR site, and it was a coincidence. Even this is hard to believe, because RADAR sites are usually well inside a fenced area, far from civilian areas, and high enough to clear close in ground clutter. The high gain, highly directional antennas do not radiate enough near field RF to do any damage, unless the cruiser was on very high a hilltop, and less than a 1/4 mile from the RADAR site. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
msg wrote: Spob wrote: snip Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? snip I assume many high power radar site operators have pet stories to tell, but I remember one that deserves a retelling: There was a Merritt Island cop who set up a speed trap on a road perhaps a mile downroad from a powerful range tracking radar station. The operators were not amused with the daily harassment from him and decided to make his life a little more interesting and theirs a little less hassled. Siting the cop's squad car in the telescoping aiming site of the radar dish, one of the operators briefly keyed a pulse train and watched. Soon the car left but returned the next day. Again the operator sited and pulsed the car and again it left. After the third day it did not return. I do not know if the tracking radar and cop's radar gun were on the same band, however I do know that 1MW of microwaves was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to burn out its front end. Regards, Michael Bull****. The antennas rotate, but the elevation is fixed. There is no telescope on any RADAR Antenna, and no way to "Siting the cop's squad car". I beg to differ. Our organization had two AN/MPQ-10A mortar tracking radars (250kW) which had telescopic sites, could be manually aimed and manually pulsed. The above story was told by an operator our Apollo 12 task force got to know. Regards, Michael |
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Spob wrote:
Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking. Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? (snip) Could it be built? Certainly. I can think of half a dozen focused energy technologies that are within present human technical capability. They are usually referred to as weapons. Would you be able to afford it? Probably not. Would it be legal to own and operate? Almost certainly not. |
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msg wrote:
Spob wrote: snip Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? snip I assume many high power radar site operators have pet stories to tell, but I remember one that deserves a retelling: There was a Merritt Island cop who set up a speed trap on a road perhaps a mile downroad from a powerful range tracking radar station. The operators were not amused with the daily harassment from him and decided to make his life a little more interesting and theirs a little less hassled. Siting the cop's squad car in the telescoping aiming site of the radar dish, one of the operators briefly keyed a pulse train and watched. Soon the car left but returned the next day. Again the operator sited and pulsed the car and again it left. After the third day it did not return. I do not know if the tracking radar and cop's radar gun were on the same band, however I do know that 1MW of microwaves was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to burn out its front end. Hi... I bet it was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to burn out the cop's front end, too. Take care. Ken |
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"Spob" wrote: Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? Fry?...don't think so. However, take a look at this: http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...1b9cruise.html http://www.atcsd.com/site/content/view/25/35/ Bob |
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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:05:48 -0700, Spob
wrote: Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking. Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern. Call it The Rapper Zapper. Just wonderin'. :-) There's not much on this page for a reason.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-en...quency_weapons D from BC |
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In sci.physics Michael A. Terrell wrote:
msg wrote: Spob wrote: snip Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? snip I assume many high power radar site operators have pet stories to tell, but I remember one that deserves a retelling: There was a Merritt Island cop who set up a speed trap on a road perhaps a mile downroad from a powerful range tracking radar station. The operators were not amused with the daily harassment from him and decided to make his life a little more interesting and theirs a little less hassled. Siting the cop's squad car in the telescoping aiming site of the radar dish, one of the operators briefly keyed a pulse train and watched. Soon the car left but returned the next day. Again the operator sited and pulsed the car and again it left. After the third day it did not return. I do not know if the tracking radar and cop's radar gun were on the same band, however I do know that 1MW of microwaves was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to burn out its front end. Regards, Michael Bull****. The antennas rotate, but the elevation is fixed. There is no telescope on any RADAR Antenna, and no way to "Siting the cop's squad car". There are no keying of brief pulses, the system works with a steady stream of pulsed RF, and measuring the reflected signals. I did some RADAR work in the US Army, and there was a pair of 2 MW pulsed RADAR transmitters in our building. You are spreading an urban legend, with enough holes to sink the Titanic (again). If the RADAR equipment in a cruiser WAS damaged, it was because the idiot cop was too close to the RADAR site, and it was a coincidence. Even this is hard to believe, because RADAR sites are usually well inside a fenced area, far from civilian areas, and high enough to clear close in ground clutter. The high gain, highly directional antennas do not radiate enough near field RF to do any damage, unless the cruiser was on very high a hilltop, and less than a 1/4 mile from the RADAR site. US Army Nike had a missle track, target track and a target range radar, all of which were steerable in both azimuth and elevation. Since Nike radars were normally deployed on the highest hill around, the MTR, TTR, and TRR could all be depressed below the horizon. All of them were boresighted and aligned by bolting on the telescope, going to manual control, and aiming them with a box that hung by a strap around your neck at the alignment target about a quarter mile away. We used to regularly break the MP's speed radar at Ft Bliss until the MP's wised up and made sure there was a metal building between them and us. We could wipe them out to about a mile away and jam them a lot farther than that. This was the late 60's. While I was in Korea, a spook detachment set up a listening post down the hill from us. They were a bunch of jerks and ****ed off everyone, so I gave their equipment the same treatment. They moved to the next mountain after they got their gear fixed. Tell me more about your toy radars. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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"Bob" wrote in message ... "Spob" wrote: Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? Fry?...don't think so. However, take a look at this: http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...1b9cruise.html http://www.atcsd.com/site/content/view/25/35/ FYI- there is a system already fielded for 20 years, that does fry electronics, military uses it. |
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Bass-seeking missle. Someone here needs to invent a bass-seeking missle. I will order at least a dozen. SFX: Car playing really loud rap music at 3 AM: Boom Budda Boom Budda Boom Budda *BLAM!* |
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Dear Leader wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... Fry?...don't think so. However, take a look at this: FYI- there is a system already fielded for 20 years, that does fry electronics, military uses it. Yes, "fry". Did you guys see the 60 minutes piece some time ago about some "inventor" who had a device to "fry" auto computers. Details were sparce, but clearly seemed to be some kind of cross between a tesla coil and a microwave pulser. He stopped a running car at some distance (cheated by having hood up). The point is that any solid state device always has a bunch of semi- conductors that follow the rule: Semiconductor parts make better fuses than fuses! Usually most solid state circuit boards have some of these are low voltage parts that can't take much emi. I wouldn't be surprised if cops had emi car stoppers right now. Sure beats a 100 MPH chase or those tire spikes that could send a 100 MPH car into a neighborhood house. I have also heard rumors that all modern car computers have "secret" codes that can be transmitted into them that stops them. Wouldn't surprise me a bit. |
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Dear Leader wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... Fry?...don't think so. However, take a look at this: FYI- there is a system already fielded for 20 years, that does fry electronics, military uses it. Yes, "fry". Did you guys see the 60 minutes piece some time ago about some "inventor" who had a device to "fry" auto computers. Details were sparce, but clearly seemed to be some kind of cross between a tesla coil and a microwave pulser. He stopped a running car at some distance (cheated by having hood up). The point is that any solid state device always has a bunch of semi- conductors that follow the rule: Semiconductor parts make better fuses than fuses! Usually most solid state circuit boards have some of these are low voltage parts that can't take much emi. I wouldn't be surprised if cops had emi car stoppers right now. Sure beats a 100 MPH chase or those tire spikes that could send a 100 MPH car into a neighborhood house. I have also heard rumors that all modern car computers have "secret" codes that can be transmitted into them that stops them. Wouldn't surprise me a bit. Par a noid. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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"Spob" wrote in message ups.com... : Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass : britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with : some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for : everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking. : : Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously : aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? The first such device is this one, but it lacks subtlety. http://www.nightvisionsales.com/imag...ide.jpgUsually the threat the laser presents is sufficient.: It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without: causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders: or their car's electronics.Oh... In that case frying is going to be difficult, but the secondrecourse is to transmit on his frequency and override the signalhe's getting. You'll find transmitter designs on the web.: Whether it would fry any additional: components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern.:: Call it The Rapper Zapper.:: Just wonderin'.:::-): |
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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:05:48 -0700, Spob
wrote: Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking. Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern. Call it The Rapper Zapper. I'm picturing a device that would hurl a small projectile, possibly made of lead (for maximum mass and small size). A guiding tube would allow accurate aiming. Motive power might be a small controlled explosion? This could cause considerable damage in a strictly localised area. Of course, the possbilities for misuse would make such a device illegal, or at least subject to strict control, in any civilised society. |
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"James Sweet" wrote in message news:zTNxi.3849$z83.3457@trndny09... "Spob" wrote in message ups.com... Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking. Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern. Call it The Rapper Zapper. Just wonderin'. :-) No chance someone like that is listening to broadcast radio. There's nothing covert you could build that wouldn't damage people too. Three letters: EMP. The trick is to focus it on just the target. |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... msg wrote: Spob wrote: snip Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? There was a Merritt Island cop who set up a speed trap on a road perhaps a mile downroad from a powerful range tracking radar station. Bull****. The antennas rotate, but the elevation is fixed. The magic word is "tracking". You're thinking of an acquisition radar. Aq radars just rotate. Tracking radar antennas move in both elevation and azimuth, for pretty obvious reasons. Tracking radars are more likely to run in X band, for many technical reasons. In the past, police radars have run on X band. Tracking radars are powerful enough that they have special technical features that keep them from burning themselves out, if you catch my drift. In my Army days I maintained both aq and track radars. Our trackers radiated more continuous energy than any other radar on site, so much so that each of the two trackers had its own very large trailer-mounted generator when operated in the field. At the Miami site I worked, some young operators used the trackers to roast land crabs. |
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"Ken Weitzel" wrote in message news:IsPxi.68411$_d2.64084@pd7urf3no... I do not know if the tracking radar and cop's radar gun were on the same band, however I do know that 1MW of microwaves was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to burn out its front end. I bet it was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to burn out the cop's front end, too. When people talk about megawatt radars, they are talking pulse peak powers. Radar pulses are very narrow - less than a microsecond. However, its peak voltage that usually frys semiconductors. If these megawatt-rated radars were not sending out short pulses, but continuous power, they'd have to build a commerical electrical generating plant next to them to run them in the field. |
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Payne NOSPAMlpayne1ATdsl.pipex.com says... On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:05:48 -0700, Spob wrote: Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking. Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern. Call it The Rapper Zapper. I'm picturing a device that would hurl a small projectile, possibly made of lead (for maximum mass and small size). A guiding tube would allow accurate aiming. Motive power might be a small controlled explosion? This could cause considerable damage in a strictly localised area. Of course, the possbilities for misuse would make such a device illegal, or at least subject to strict control, in any civilised society. Nah, unlike Yourup, a civilized society wouldn't dream of controlling such a useful tool. Unless by "control" you mean limiting damage to the intended area. -- Keith |
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wrote: In sci.physics Michael A. Terrell wrote: msg wrote: Spob wrote: snip Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? snip I assume many high power radar site operators have pet stories to tell, but I remember one that deserves a retelling: There was a Merritt Island cop who set up a speed trap on a road perhaps a mile downroad from a powerful range tracking radar station. The operators were not amused with the daily harassment from him and decided to make his life a little more interesting and theirs a little less hassled. Siting the cop's squad car in the telescoping aiming site of the radar dish, one of the operators briefly keyed a pulse train and watched. Soon the car left but returned the next day. Again the operator sited and pulsed the car and again it left. After the third day it did not return. I do not know if the tracking radar and cop's radar gun were on the same band, however I do know that 1MW of microwaves was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to burn out its front end. Regards, Michael Bull****. The antennas rotate, but the elevation is fixed. There is no telescope on any RADAR Antenna, and no way to "Siting the cop's squad car". There are no keying of brief pulses, the system works with a steady stream of pulsed RF, and measuring the reflected signals. I did some RADAR work in the US Army, and there was a pair of 2 MW pulsed RADAR transmitters in our building. You are spreading an urban legend, with enough holes to sink the Titanic (again). If the RADAR equipment in a cruiser WAS damaged, it was because the idiot cop was too close to the RADAR site, and it was a coincidence. Even this is hard to believe, because RADAR sites are usually well inside a fenced area, far from civilian areas, and high enough to clear close in ground clutter. The high gain, highly directional antennas do not radiate enough near field RF to do any damage, unless the cruiser was on very high a hilltop, and less than a 1/4 mile from the RADAR site. US Army Nike had a missle track, target track and a target range radar, all of which were steerable in both azimuth and elevation. Since Nike radars were normally deployed on the highest hill around, the MTR, TTR, and TRR could all be depressed below the horizon. All of them were boresighted and aligned by bolting on the telescope, going to manual control, and aiming them with a box that hung by a strap around your neck at the alignment target about a quarter mile away. Do you really think any of these antiques are still in use? The US retired all its Nike sites in the mid 70's. Taiwan was using Nike until 1997 and Greece was using it until 2004. I have no idea of the current status of Turkey, Italy, and South Korea, but all were using it in 2000. The whole system was upgraded in the 70's and all the tube based stuff replaced with solid state. We used to regularly break the MP's speed radar at Ft Bliss until the MP's wised up and made sure there was a metal building between them and us. We could wipe them out to about a mile away and jam them a lot farther than that. This was the late 60's. Late '60s? the police used real garbage, with an unprotected 1N23 type diode in the horn as a mixer. Just touching the element in the horn would blow those diodes. Hell, a UHF ham radio transmitter would take them out, at well under a kilowatt. The front end diodes were shipped, wrapped in a thick layer of lead foil. I think I still have a couple Western Electric surplus around, somewhere. Yep, that's why we could blow them from so far away. While I was in Korea, a spook detachment set up a listening post down the hill from us. They were a bunch of jerks and ****ed off everyone, so I gave their equipment the same treatment. Sure. If they knew what caused it, you would have spent at least five years in Leavenworth. They obviously knew what caused it. What they didn't know and couldn't prove was that it was anything other than a routine maintenance operation. And since we had guys with guns to make sure nobody wandered into the IFC operational area, there is no way they could snoop around. They moved to the next mountain after they got their gear fixed. Tell me more about your toy radars. Toy? they were used a Carin Airfield, just a few miles from Ft Rucker Alabama, for the US Army helicopter and US Air Force Air Traffic Controller schools. 2 million watts is not a toy. It had a 200 mile maximum range, and was built by Westinghouse. two complete, hot systems that could be switched over at the flip of a switch, if there was any problems. Five techs on duty, 24/7 doing routine maintenance, and emergency repairs. If they went down, two schools and 17 airfields were shut down to all non instrument rated pilots. A mere 2 MW? A Nike LOPAR is 1 MW, ABAR is 5 MW, HIPAR 10.4 MW. A Nike site always had a LOPAR and either an ABAR or a HIPAR depending on the particulars of the site. A hot site had 5 radars going at one time. A **** duty on a Nike site was to go into the HIPAR dome and get rid of the bird bodies inside and sweep them up from the outside. Birds only got close the the HIPAR once. The Michigan site I was on was not supposed to run the HIPAR other than into the dummy load unless there was a "situation" as it wiped out Detroit's ATC radar 50 miles away. A Nike site had about 50 people and was manned 24/7. Sites in places like Korea had a infantry company for "guard duty". My radar is bigger than your radar. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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"Ken Weitzel" wrote in message news:IsPxi.68411$_d2.64084@pd7urf3no... I do not know if the tracking radar and cop's radar gun were on the same band, however I do know that 1MW of microwaves was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to burn out its front end. I bet it was sufficiently nondiscriminatory at the receiving end to burn out the cop's front end, too. When people talk about megawatt radars, they are talking pulse peak powers. Radar pulses are very narrow - less than a microsecond. However, its peak voltage that usually frys semiconductors. If these megawatt-rated radars were not sending out short pulses, but continuous power, they'd have to build a commerical electrical generating plant next to them to run them in the field. Nike HIPAR, 10.4 MW, pulse width 6 microseconds. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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"Spob" wrote in message ups.com... Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking. Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern. Call it The Rapper Zapper. Just wonderin'. :-) I saw a device called "The Mosquito", that emits high frequency audio noise that can be heard by most young people, and not so much by more mature adults. These devices can be installed where these punks hang out, and eventually they find it irritating enough to move on to some other place. Probably such a device with power great enough, and a focused speaker, could be directed at the miscreant and make him very uncomfortable. Another possibility is a similar focused sound transmitter that would very loudly play Opera, or Polka. Even better, mix the two together and really scramble the few remaining brain cells of the offender. Have an automatic volume control to set the transmitted sound level to be proportional to that detected. Probably 140 db of Kathleen Battle and Happy Louie would do the job. And be at least as legal as the offender's subwoofer. But I'd also want to have backup from my buddies Smith and Wesson! Paul |
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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:05:48 -0700, Spob wrote: Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking. Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern. Call it The Rapper Zapper. I'm picturing a device that would hurl a small projectile, possibly made of lead (for maximum mass and small size). A guiding tube would allow accurate aiming. Motive power might be a small controlled explosion? This could cause considerable damage in a strictly localised area. Of course, the possbilities for misuse would make such a device illegal, or at least subject to strict control, in any civilised society. Wimp! Be a man and use a M-72. Does wonders to touch up those cheesy flame paint jobs on their rust buckets, too. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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On Aug 18, 6:05 pm, Spob wrote:
Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking. Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern. Call it The Rapper Zapper. Just wonderin'. :-) It is technically possible by using noise cancellation technology. Of course, who is willing to pay. Ken Opportunities are never lost. The other fellow takes those you miss. | Torrey Hills Technologies, LLC | | www.threerollmill.com | | www.torreyhillstech.com | |
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Spob wrote:
Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking. Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern. Call it The Rapper Zapper. Just wonderin'. Big woofers, small testicles. You'd be arrested for malicious destruction of property. -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2 |
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In sci.physics Michael A. Terrell wrote:
wrote: In sci.physics Michael A. Terrell wrote: Do you really think any of these antiques are still in use? The US retired all its Nike sites in the mid 70's. Taiwan was using Nike until 1997 and Greece was using it until 2004. I have no idea of the current status of Turkey, Italy, and South Korea, but all were using it in 2000. The whole system was upgraded in the 70's and all the tube based stuff replaced with solid state. We used to regularly break the MP's speed radar at Ft Bliss until the MP's wised up and made sure there was a metal building between them and us. We could wipe them out to about a mile away and jam them a lot farther than that. This was the late 60's. Late '60s? the police used real garbage, with an unprotected 1N23 type diode in the horn as a mixer. Just touching the element in the horn would blow those diodes. Hell, a UHF ham radio transmitter would take them out, at well under a kilowatt. The front end diodes were shipped, wrapped in a thick layer of lead foil. I think I still have a couple Western Electric surplus around, somewhere. Yep, that's why we could blow them from so far away. While I was in Korea, a spook detachment set up a listening post down the hill from us. They were a bunch of jerks and ****ed off everyone, so I gave their equipment the same treatment. Sure. If they knew what caused it, you would have spent at least five years in Leavenworth. They obviously knew what caused it. What they didn't know and couldn't prove was that it was anything other than a routine maintenance operation. Gee, out of band signal rejection is a specification in all receivers sold to the military, from WWII. I should know, I built a lot of state of the art telemetry equipment for P, LL, UL and other microwave bands. One KU band system is aboard the International Space Station as part of their video, voice channel and data link to NASA. Out of band signal rejection is one thing, being in the main beam of a 44 db gain antenna of a high powered radar is another. And since we had guys with guns to make sure nobody wandered into the IFC operational area, there is no way they could snoop around. They moved to the next mountain after they got their gear fixed. Tell me more about your toy radars. Toy? they were used a Carin Airfield, just a few miles from Ft Rucker Alabama, for the US Army helicopter and US Air Force Air Traffic Controller schools. 2 million watts is not a toy. It had a 200 mile maximum range, and was built by Westinghouse. two complete, hot systems that could be switched over at the flip of a switch, if there was any problems. Five techs on duty, 24/7 doing routine maintenance, and emergency repairs. If they went down, two schools and 17 airfields were shut down to all non instrument rated pilots. A mere 2 MW? A Nike LOPAR is 1 MW, ABAR is 5 MW, HIPAR 10.4 MW. I'll bet the antenna gain was much higher at our site, giving about the same EIRP. And you would probably lose the bet. LOPAR 32 db cosecant squared. HIPAR 29 db cosecant squared. There were three different models of the ABAR; I don't remember the specs. The target track, which is what was usually used for games was 250 kW with an antenna gain of 44 db; you figure the ERP. A Nike site always had a LOPAR and either an ABAR or a HIPAR depending on the particulars of the site. A hot site had 5 radars going at one time. Another sign of old equipment pushed past its capabilities. Another sign you are blowing smoke out your ass. TTR - Target track radar; tracked the target TRR - Target range radar; tracked the target in range in ECM, frequency agile to defeat ECM, elevation and azimuth provided by the ECM source MTR - Missle track radar; tracked the missle in flight LOPAR - Short range acquistion radar; used to monitor the engagement range ABAR and HIPAR - Long range acquistion radar; used to detect targets outside the engagement range. Five radars to do five different things all at once. A **** duty on a Nike site was to go into the HIPAR dome and get rid of the bird bodies inside and sweep them up from the outside. Birds only got close the the HIPAR once. Sigh, we didn't need no stinkin' dome, but there were plenty of birds laying in the parking lots. They needed to replace the main bearing once. The crane could barely lift it high enough to swap the bearings. Ooooh, I'm impressed. The Michigan site I was on was not supposed to run the HIPAR other than into the dummy load unless there was a "situation" as it wiped out Detroit's ATC radar 50 miles away. A Nike site had about 50 people and was manned 24/7. So? All that means is that your equipment was older and needed more support. No, it means there was more equipment and a site was totally self contained. Sites in places like Korea had a infantry company for "guard duty". You didn't need a company to guard a RADAR site inside the US, dingledorf. Last I checked, Korea isn't inside the US, moron and the sites like your's in Korea didn't have an infantry company either. My radar is bigger than your radar. Neither of owned those RADAR systems. The Battery Commander may have held the paper, but the Maintenance Chief, which I was, for all intents and purposes owned the system as much as any piece of issued military equipment can be owned. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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On 8/18/07 9:26 PM, James Sweet wrote:
"Spob" wrote in message ups.com... Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking. Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern. Call it The Rapper Zapper. Just wonderin'. :-) No chance someone like that is listening to broadcast radio. There's nothing covert you could build that wouldn't damage people too. How you you triangulate on a signal since radio/cd/digital player is not a transmitter? |
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On 8/19/07 5:42 AM, Arny Krueger wrote:
"James Sweet" wrote in message news:zTNxi.3849$z83.3457@trndny09... "Spob" wrote in message ups.com... Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking. Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components? It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern. Call it The Rapper Zapper. Just wonderin'. :-) No chance someone like that is listening to broadcast radio. There's nothing covert you could build that wouldn't damage people too. Three letters: EMP. The trick is to focus it on just the target. But you would also fry ALL the electronics around that car. Big lawsuit potential. Better to just let them go deaf. |
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