This dumbass has posted this box four times previously and drops the
price abought eighty dollars each time. He is also a smartmouth and
disrespectful to his betters.

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And the purpose of this post is?

On Mar 17, 6:56 pm, "Charles Schuler"
wrote:
And the purpose of this post is?

He has homoerotic obsessions for this guy, I can't otherwise explain
why he does this over and over.

Sam Kinison mode

BECAUSE HE'S A FREAK AND WE'RE IN HELLLLLLL! AAAAA AAAAAA A
AAAAAAA!

/OFF

thank you

On Mar 17, 9:51�pm, "Bret Ludwig" wrote:
*This dumbass has posted this box four times previously and drops the
price abought eighty dollars each time. He is also a smartmouth and
disrespectful to his betters.

Western Electric Oscillator 11-A with (x4) 231D triodes
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Western Electric Oscillator 11-A.

Item is un-tested and sold as-is

contains (x4) un-used 231D triode tubes, (x1) 126A opt trans, and (x1)
130B RET.

See photos for condition

See my other auctions for more interesting items

what are you...15 years old? You have to cuss in every post to show
you are tough?

Hi RATs!

Doesn't matter how old Bart is, he is unhappy.

I'm not, but, I never got any satisfaction out of spotlighting other's
foibles.

This is the Internet. Get hip or die trying

Happy Ears!
Al

tubegarden wrote:

Hi RATs!

Doesn't matter how old Bart is, he is unhappy.

I'm not, but, I never got any satisfaction out of spotlighting other's
foibles.

This is the Internet.

This is *USENET* !

Graham

On Mar 18, 9:29 am, Eeyore
wrote:

This is *USENET* !

No, internet also. I access this USENET group through Google Groups,
via a web browser and the internet, that way I can access it from any
computer without needing special newsreader software or news server
access. For other USENET groups, I access through a news server and
news reader.

" wrote:

On Mar 18, 9:29 am, Eeyore
wrote:

This is *USENET* !

No, internet also. I access this USENET group through Google Groups,
via a web browser and the internet, that way I can access it from any
computer without needing special newsreader software or news server
access. For other USENET groups, I access through a news server and
news reader.


Its still Usenet, no matter how you access it.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

On Mar 18, 10:25 am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
" wrote:

On Mar 18, 9:29 am, Eeyore
wrote:

This is *USENET* !

No, internet also. I access this USENET group through Google Groups,
via a web browser and the internet, that way I can access it from any
computer without needing special newsreader software or news server
access. For other USENET groups, I access through a news server and
news reader.

Its still Usenet, no matter how you access it.

Right. I didn't say it wasn't USENET. It's both, not ONLY one or the
other.

On Mar 18, 7:21 am, "Eddie Brimer" wrote:
On Mar 17, 9:51?pm, "Bret Ludwig" wrote:



?This dumbass has posted this box four times previously and drops the
price abought eighty dollars each time. He is also a smartmouth and
disrespectful to his betters.

Western Electric Oscillator 11-A with (x4) 231D triodes
? ? ? ? Item number: 260097248657

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Starting bid: ? US $739.00
Place Bid
End time: ? ? ? Mar-21-07 19:52:05 PDT (4 days 1 hour)
Shipping costs:
US $35.00
Standard Flat

Starting time: ?Mar-14-07 19:52:05 PDT
Starting bid: ? US $739.00
Duration: ? ? ? 7-day listing

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Seller: tube( 376Feedback score is 100 to 499)
Feedback: ? ? ? 99.7% Positive
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This item is covered up to $2,000 See eligibility

Description
Western Electric Oscillator 11-A.

Item is un-tested and sold as-is

contains (x4) un-used 231D triode tubes, (x1) 126A opt trans, and (x1)
130B RET.

See photos for condition

See my other auctions for more interesting items

what are you...15 years old? You have to cuss in every post to show
you are tough?


LOL. You guys have the wrong approach. I had Mr. Ledwig respond to
another on topic discussion I started, not this one. As usual there
was his tort belly aching response with no substance. Then I did
something bad, oh no. I asked him an intelligent question to back up
his whining. No response yet, and probably won't be one. So my point
is hit the undesirables up with intelligent on topic discussion if you
want them to go away. With Bart Ledfart I now have three I'm
ignoring.

"Radiola" said:


LOL. You guys have the wrong approach. I had Mr. Ledwig respond to
another on topic discussion I started, not this one. As usual there
was his tort belly aching response with no substance. Then I did
something bad, oh no. I asked him an intelligent question to back up
his whining. No response yet, and probably won't be one. So my point
is hit the undesirables up with intelligent on topic discussion if you
want them to go away. With Bart Ledfart I now have three I'm
ignoring.


The Bratwig is just a self-centered attention whore.
You won't miss much.

--

- Maggies are an addiction for life. -

On 17 Mar 2007 18:51:26 -0700, "Bret Ludwig"
wrote:

Western Electric Oscillator 11-A with (x4) 231D triodes
Item number: 260097248657 snip

I must've run across 20 of those 11As during my telephone career,
mostly left over from the J and K carrier and 18B testboard era. They
were replaced in the '50s by the 21A and many others. Many old
outside plant offices had these things sitting on the shelves until
the '80s, when the "traditional" AT&T started to crumble.

This one was built at the WECO Virginia Works in April, 1947, a very
late example. Most came from the mid 1930s. This one was obviously
stolen from an office somewhere. AT&T would demand that these be
destroyed when taken out of service.

Also ripped off out of many offices: 101A power amplifiers, the first
negative feedback/beam power power amp, first produced in 1940. AT&T
and its local companies used them for every imaginable service until
they were replaced in the '60s by Altec tube amps. I know one
huckster, who worked for a minicomputer maintenance outfit, that
ripped off two of them from the old Los Angeles Program Operating
Center and got $5K apiece for them in Japan. If discovered absconding
with these without a supervisor's written permission, he could have
been terminated immediately.

On 18 Mar 2007 04:40:36 -0700, "thisjukeboxplays33rpm"
wrote:

He has homoerotic obsessions for this guy, I can't otherwise explain
why he does this over and over. snip

How did you evade my kill filter? No matter....plOnk!

On 18 Mar 2007 06:47:46 -0700, "
wrote:

On Mar 18, 9:29 am, Eeyore
wrote:

This is *USENET* !

No, internet also. I access this USENET group through Google Groups snip

Your stock just crashed.

Goo Goo Groups = "Usenet for 'Tards"

LOL. You guys have the wrong approach. I had Mr. Ledwig respond to
another on topic discussion I started, not this one. As usual there
was his tort belly aching response with no substance. Then I did
something bad, oh no. I asked him an intelligent question to back up
his whining. No response yet, and probably won't be one. So my point
is hit the undesirables up with intelligent on topic discussion if you
want them to go away. With Bart Ledfart I now have three I'm
ignoring.


The answer to your question is obvious to most, but since you asked,
it's that we have a eBay vendor who is trying to sell something for an
inasne amount of money and we are entitled to a little sport with him.
Also this is not a common piece at all-it has to be late 1920s
construction. The later poster is confusing this with the AC powered
metal case 19C, I think, which was thick on the land until orientals
started buying them for their not very good transformers.

This one was built at the WECO Virginia Works in April, 1947, a very
late example.

And how do you know this?



Most came from the mid 1930s. This one was obviously
stolen from an office somewhere. AT&T would demand that these be
destroyed when taken out of service.

I knew people who used to steal everything imaginable out of service
trucks when, I suppose, they realized they destroyed it all because
the value of the stuff on the surplus market was "less" than the
"time" needed to properly "account" for it. At the time I refused to
engage in this myself because I didn't want to get the truck drivers
in trouble.


Also ripped off out of many offices: 101A power amplifiers, the first
negative feedback/beam power power amp, first produced in 1940. AT&T
and its local companies used them for every imaginable service until
they were replaced in the '60s by Altec tube amps. I know one
huckster, who worked for a minicomputer maintenance outfit, that
ripped off two of them from the old Los Angeles Program Operating
Center and got $5K apiece for them in Japan. If discovered absconding
with these without a supervisor's written permission, he could have
been terminated immediately.


And if he didn't he made ten grand, which came in handy when they
laid him off. Saved them from destruction, did it not?

Breaking up AT&T was the right thing to do but it was traumatic.

On Mar 18, 2:11 pm, Sander deWaal wrote:
"Radiola" said:

LOL. You guys have the wrong approach. I had Mr. Ledwig respond to
another on topic discussion I started, not this one. As usual there
was his tort belly aching response with no substance. Then I did
something bad, oh no. I asked him an intelligent question to back up
his whining. No response yet, and probably won't be one. So my point
is hit the undesirables up with intelligent on topic discussion if you
want them to go away. With Bart Ledfart I now have three I'm
ignoring.


Sometimes I miss one. I don't LIVE on Usenet like you.

In rec.antiques.radio+phono Bret Ludwig wrote:
The answer to your question is obvious to most, but since you asked,
it's that we have a eBay vendor who is trying to sell something for an
inasne amount of money and we are entitled to a little sport with him.
Also this is not a common piece at all-it has to be late 1920s
construction. The later poster is confusing this with the AC powered
metal case 19C, I think, which was thick on the land until orientals
started buying them for their not very good transformers.

Anyway, you stated earlier you have conserved 2 of those, and no doubt
others have them in their collections as well. I still fail to see what is
the big problem to selling the remaining units to be used for parts, even
if the takers are 'fools'... You can't hoard and keep all nice stuff for
yourself, it would be impractical to never recycle stuff. As long as some
examples are being preserved by caring individuals all seems well to me.

--
Met vriendelijke groet,

Maarten Bakker.

On Mar 18, 5:45 pm, wrote:
In rec.antiques.radio+phono Bret Ludwig wrote:

The answer to your question is obvious to most, but since you asked,
it's that we have a eBay vendor who is trying to sell something for an
inasne amount of money and we are entitled to a little sport with him.
Also this is not a common piece at all-it has to be late 1920s
construction. The later poster is confusing this with the AC powered
metal case 19C, I think, which was thick on the land until orientals
started buying them for their not very good transformers.

Anyway, you stated earlier you have conserved 2 of those, and no doubt
others have them in their collections as well. I still fail to see what is
the big problem to selling the remaining units to be used for parts, even
if the takers are 'fools'... You can't hoard and keep all nice stuff for
yourself, it would be impractical to never recycle stuff. As long as some
examples are being preserved by caring individuals all seems well to me.

They should make new ones instead of buying up all our stuff. We
should make it tough for them to buy it all up. The 19C is not a huge
loss to society but they are driving prices on everything now, except
Dynajunk. We need to think nationalistically to some extent.

If I lived in Hoilland I would support the Dutch version of the BNP
or "Die Partei" (NPD).

Also ripped off out of many offices: 101A power amplifiers, the first
negative feedback/beam power power amp, first produced in 1940. AT&T
and its local companies used them for every imaginable service until
they were replaced in the '60s by Altec tube amps.


McIntosh made three different models of KS amps for Bell as well.
They are some of the best Mc's made. They all have a specially
designed bifilar opt for each model.

On 18 Mar 2007 15:24:35 -0700, "Bret Ludwig"
wrote:

Also this is not a common piece at all-it has to be late 1920s
construction. snip

Late '20s-early '30s in design, bu that particular specimen was built
in 1947. The stenciling on a component inside is the giveaway there,
UNLESS that particular compoenent inside was changed out at some time.

All WECO gear had date and plant codes well into the '70s that
consisted of the month, a single letter denoting which plant (V was
Virginia Works, O was Oklahoma City, M was Merrimack Valley, etc) and
the last two digits of the year.

Thus, this stenciling of 5V47 meant the particular piece was made in
April, 1947 at WECO's Virginia Works.

The later poster is confusing this with the AC powered
metal case 19C, I think, which was thick on the land until orientals
started buying them for their not very good transformers. snip

The 19C was central office test equipment, usually, but also had a
portable version. The 11A was designed to be a lineman's portable,
but was also found in considerable numbers inside many toll offices
for decades.

On 18 Mar 2007 16:32:53 -0700, "Bret Ludwig"
wrote:

They should make new ones instead of buying up all our stuff. We
should make it tough for them to buy it all up. The 19C is not a huge
loss to society but they are driving prices on everything now, except
Dynajunk. We need to think nationalistically to some extent. snip

Will never happen again. Americans are too soft and too greedy.
Hence, all the fraud on eBay. The Chinese know that and are stripping
our wallets with that knowledge.

On 18 Mar 2007 15:30:57 -0700, "Bret Ludwig"
wrote:


This one was built at the WECO Virginia Works in April, 1947, a very
late example.

And how do you know this? snip

20+ years Bell System/AT&T employment. See previous post for date
coding of equipment.

On Mar 18, 3:11 pm, DeserTBoB wrote:
On 18 Mar 2007 04:40:36 -0700, "thisjukeboxplays33rpm"

wrote:
He has homoerotic obsessions for this guy, I can't otherwise explain
why he does this over and over. snip

How did you evade my kill filter? No matter....plOnk!

Hmm. Was it...

1. Got spoofed
2. Changed my posting name 3 times along the way until it was safer
3. Finally got a better HDD with W2K sitting on it.
4. It's queer that you should think I'M a problem.
5. Quit Crossposting and it will be harder to find me.
6. STFU already.

On Mar 18, 9:43 pm, DeserTBoB wrote:
On 18 Mar 2007 15:24:35 -0700, "Bret Ludwig"
wrote:

Also this is not a common piece at all-it has to be late 1920s
construction. snip

Late '20s-early '30s in design, bu that particular specimen was built
in 1947. The stenciling on a component inside is the giveaway there,
UNLESS that particular compoenent inside was changed out at some time.

All WECO gear had date and plant codes well into the '70s that
consisted of the month, a single letter denoting which plant (V was
Virginia Works, O was Oklahoma City, M was Merrimack Valley, etc) and
the last two digits of the year.

Thus, this stenciling of 5V47 meant the particular piece was made in
April, 1947 at WECO's Virginia Works.

The later poster is confusing this with the AC powered
metal case 19C, I think, which was thick on the land until orientals
started buying them for their not very good transformers. snip

The 19C was central office test equipment, usually, but also had a
portable version. The 11A was designed to be a lineman's portable,
but was also found in considerable numbers inside many toll offices
for decades.


Your eyes are better than mine, I missed the date codes. I would have
thought the wood case, four pin tubes and cloth wires would have been
long since superceded by '47. One of my 19Cs has all 1948 date code
transformers, the other has a mishmash. Neither is very clean inside
but both work.

He didn't give a very good photo of the front of the set.

The 19C has both a hole in the front panel and a hole on the side
where the cord can come out or some have a recessed two conductor male
on the left side. All have holes galore for mounting a lid, rack
ears, or WHY. The handles or lid are mounted as needed apparently,
Both of mine make audible noises- a sine wave, but a different pitch
than the gen output-when operating on certain frequencies. The
acoustic pitch varies dramatically when the dial is turned. I noticed
that if the AC supply voltage varies at all the sound varies too. It
sounds like a pure sine wave. I have been meaning to use a
stethoscope to see what is making the noise, I assume the caps, but
you know what assume means. I also haven't figured out WHICH of the
transformers they are really after. There is no pilot light.

I used a similar beast where I worked a long time ago. It was not a
19C, I don't remember the designation. It had the female longframe
jacks for output and the manual indicated it was for 110 VAC-DC but
that a 48V Co version was available. No one else seems to know what I
am talking about and you seem legit Bell.

I do not have the book although there is a very yellowed schematic in
the back of the set on one. The other has been stripped and repainted.
Local ex-Bell people all think these things are a POS until I tell
them they will bring $500 now. i always thought het oscillators were a
cheap way of doing things but it has been pointed out they sweep far
more stably than Wien bridge sets.

Perhaps someone reading this has the service notes and would send a
good copy or scan to one of the boatanchor or test Web sites where
they put manuals so we can all see this. Probably out of copyright
now.

On 18 Mar 2007 23:55:36 -0700, "Bret Ludwig"
wrote:

Your eyes are better than mine, I missed the date codes. I would have
thought the wood case, four pin tubes and cloth wires would have been
long since superceded by '47.snip

Not even. WECO was still building such test gear way into the early
'60s...meggers, portable tube testers, special purpose oscillators and
the like...all in the oak boxes and with WECO-based 101Ds and 231Ds.
They threw in the towel on test equipment manufacture after the
disastrous attempt at a digitally synthesized HF oscillator and
selectrive detector, the 90-series.

After that, most offices wound up with either Wandel-Goltermann or
Cushman sets to do the same duty in a much smaller, much more accurate
package. Hell, WECO was still using galvanometer-based thermocouple
type power meters to measure power as late as the late '60s...the 34A
and 70A power meters actually came in grey cases with "modern"
hardware...and the old, 1920s thermocouples. Accurate to .01 dB, yes,
but there was no way to know what the hell you were looking at. After
around 1970, WECO ceased all test gear manufacture and used "Kearney
Specifications" to get WECO-branded stuff made by HP and many others.

One of my 19Cs has all 1948 date code
transformers, the other has a mishmash. Neither is very clean inside
but both work. snip

They'll work, but they tend not to be very accurate or trustworthy.

The 19C has both a hole in the front panel and a hole on the side
where the cord can come out or some have a recessed two conductor male
on the left side. snip

Usually these were non-standard, non-grounded Hubbell Twist-Loks, with
the other end being a non-polarized AC plug.

All have holes galore for mounting a lid, rack
ears, or WHY. The handles or lid are mounted as needed apparently,
Both of mine make audible noises- a sine wave, but a different pitch
than the gen output-when operating on certain frequencies.snip

Common. The noise is coming from the transformers.

The
acoustic pitch varies dramatically when the dial is turned. I noticed
that if the AC supply voltage varies at all the sound varies too. It
sounds like a pure sine wave. I have been meaning to use a
stethoscope to see what is making the noise, I assume the caps, but
you know what assume means. I also haven't figured out WHICH of the
transformers they are really after. There is no pilot light. snip

Japs hare crazy. They go after WECO gear because it's "top line
American stuff" from the golden age of US technology. In actuality,
WECO transformers were all special design for each application, and
weren't all that great. The output transformers on the 101A, for
example, produce copious amounts of third harmonic, which the negative
feedback loop cancels. Any Stancor would be better at coupling audio.

I used a similar beast where I worked a long time ago. It was not a
19C, I don't remember the designation. It had the female longframe
jacks for output and the manual indicated it was for 110 VAC-DC but
that a 48V Co version was available. No one else seems to know what I
am talking about and you seem legit Bell. snip

Let's see...there was the 21-set, which was a combined AF oscillator
and voltmeter that answers that description somewhat. The voltmeter,
while not true RMS reading, had a novel tube driven scaling circuit
that'd take the incoming sine wave and convert the DC to the meter to
be fed to a panel meter calibrated in dB in linear increments...much
ado about nothing, really. 21As were very common until the end of my
toll CO career in the '80s.

I do not have the book although there is a very yellowed schematic in
the back of the set on one. The other has been stripped and repainted.
Local ex-Bell people all think these things are a POS until I tell
them they will bring $500 now. i always thought het oscillators were a
cheap way of doing things but it has been pointed out they sweep far
more stably than Wien bridge sets. snip

A lot of that WECO test gear wasn't very good for a lot of
reasons...instability of calibration being one. The "Red Ball"
service centers, which serviced all that stuff at various WECO plants
and depots across the country, would routinely slop WECO grey paint on
a "repaired" unit...why, I never had a clue. I shipped a lot of WECO
test gear to the City of Industry WECO plant (a huge 1930s storage
depot) on Yates St., and more often than not, it would come back in
the same shape it was sent out.

Smart engineers would order non-company test gear and eschew the WECO
and KS-spec test gear altogether. Thus, in carrier work, we had a ton
of Wandel-Goltermann SLMs and oscillators, while the job-supplied WECO
stuff sat on the shelf, basically useless.

KS-spec'd stuff was usually not very good, either. An example here
was the 28A Microwave Analyzer Set for the Type TN-1 (11 GHz)
microwave radio system, made to KS spec. for WECO by Hewlett-Packard.
Although every piece in that rolling equipment bay was based on a
familiar H-P chassis, WECO engineers, to make it look and act like a
distinct unit, would speicify many circuit changes to differentiate
their KS unit from an "off-the-shelf" H-P unit. This would make the
gear, whether the scope, sweep generator or whatever, practically
useless for any other application. The circuit mods provided by WECO
engineers would more often than not be a failure, and the thing would
sit, unused, while the transmission engineer would order an
"off-the-shelf" H-P MLA to replace it, and all would be well.

The same went for video test equipment made to KS-spec by Tektronix.
Stock Tek gear would work and do the job...perfectly...while the
KS-spec unit would be totally useless.

A lot is written in lore about the quality of WECO equipment, and in
many cases, these legends are true. Their toll central office gear
was built to last 100 years up until the '70s, and it most certainly
would. However, there was a lot of just plain bad engineering and
poor design that started popping up around the 1960s that most people
won't talk about.

Fine...let the Japs have all the crap. Most of it is useless, anyway,
and after around 1965, better test gear could be had by any number of
manufacturers.

Perhaps someone reading this has the service notes and would send a
good copy or scan to one of the boatanchor or test Web sites where
they put manuals so we can all see this. Probably out of copyright
now. snip

Any old WECO manuals are way out of copyright. However, be careful
about Bell System Practices..."BSPs" that were used as encyclopaedic
manuals on how to run a telephone company. Even the long obsolete
portions of the BSPs (later ACPs, "AT&T Company Practices") have been
dutifully copyright renewed by the "old" AT&T and they were well known
to go after flagrant violators. However, now that AT&T no longer
exists and is now a rebadged SBC, it's anyone's guess what their
policy is. I do know one thing...the "new" AT&T has screwed up
pension and benefits programs for hundreds of thousands of us old
farts! Three months later and I still can't get my dentist paid!

Charles Schuler wrote:
And the purpose of this post is?



Depressurization.

--
And if a cow had wheels,
it would be a milk truck. - Steve Linford

Japs hare crazy. They go after WECO gear because it's "top line
American stuff" from the golden age of US technology. In actuality,
WECO transformers were all special design for each application, and
weren't all that great. The output transformers on the 101A, for
example, produce copious amounts of third harmonic, which the negative
feedback loop cancels. Any Stancor would be better at coupling audio.


They don't seem to want it for test gear. They part it out for the
transformers. And they are not good transformers.




I used a similar beast where I worked a long time ago. It was not a
19C, I don't remember the designation. It had the female longframe
jacks for output and the manual indicated it was for 110 VAC-DC but
that a 48V Co version was available. No one else seems to know what I
am talking about and you seem legit Bell. snip

Let's see...there was the 21-set, which was a combined AF oscillator
and voltmeter that answers that description somewhat. The voltmeter,
while not true RMS reading, had a novel tube driven scaling circuit
that'd take the incoming sine wave and convert the DC to the meter to
be fed to a panel meter calibrated in dB in linear increments...much
ado about nothing, really. 21As were very common until the end of my
toll CO career in the '80s.

eBay has none currently. 180076938888 appears to be one item number
now sold. Buyer's in the United States oddly enough.

But that's not the set I used. What's bizarre is that there are TWO
listed in Google as being sold for the same amount of $343.00 Same
bider. One has a black front and one off-white to gray green.
180076938868. Bizarre.

In .com "Bret Ludwig" writes:

On Mar 18, 5:45 pm, wrote:
In rec.antiques.radio+phono Bret Ludwig wrote:

The answer to your question is obvious to most, but since you asked,
it's that we have a eBay vendor who is trying to sell something for an
inasne amount of money and we are entitled to a little sport with him.
Also this is not a common piece at all-it has to be late 1920s
construction. The later poster is confusing this with the AC powered
metal case 19C, I think, which was thick on the land until orientals
started buying them for their not very good transformers.

Anyway, you stated earlier you have conserved 2 of those, and no doubt
others have them in their collections as well. I still fail to see what is
the big problem to selling the remaining units to be used for parts, even
if the takers are 'fools'... You can't hoard and keep all nice stuff for
yourself, it would be impractical to never recycle stuff. As long as some
examples are being preserved by caring individuals all seems well to me.

They should make new ones instead of buying up all our stuff. We
should make it tough for them to buy it all up. The 19C is not a huge
loss to society but they are driving prices on everything now, except
Dynajunk. We need to think nationalistically to some extent.

Someone is paying lots of money for an obsolete piece of equipment
no one else wants. Why is this bad for the United States? If denizens
of another country started forking over cold, hard cash for old truck
tires, would this also be bad?

If I lived in Hoilland I would support the Dutch version of the BNP
or "Die Partei" (NPD).

If you lived in Holland you'd freak out. The Dutch are quite happy
to do business regardless of where you live, what color you are, or how
many arms and legs you happen to have. New York City was born as an
economic engine precisely because they didn't think someone was unworthy
of buying or selling because they happend to worship a different diety,
or any other non-business bias.

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Please don't post this off topic stuff to r.a.r+p.
Thanks.

On Mar 22, 7:15 am, Fred Wesner
wrote:
Bret Ludwig wrote:
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Please don't post this off topic stuff to r.a.r+p.
Thanks.

Aw, geebus Fred, that works for all the time you've spent in
ba.broadcast.

For that matter, I might as well invite somebody to post stupid swipes
at me there now...probably overdue. They have to have new people to
ignore, you know.

Please don't post this off topic stuff to r.a.r+p.
Thanks.


It's on topic.

" wrote:

On Mar 18, 10:25 am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
" wrote:

On Mar 18, 9:29 am, Eeyore
wrote:

This is *USENET* !

No, internet also. I access this USENET group through Google Groups,
via a web browser and the internet, that way I can access it from any
computer without needing special newsreader software or news server
access. For other USENET groups, I access through a news server and
news reader.

Its still Usenet, no matter how you access it.

Right. I didn't say it wasn't USENET. It's both, not ONLY one or the
other.


Not for me. I use a real usenet news server, no HTML interface to
get in the way.


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