On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:51:22 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:


Quoting that great sage, Ron White (and appropriately applicable to
Larkin), "You can't cure STUPID... STUPID is FOREVER!" :-}

...Jim Thompson

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I don't think he's stupid, I think he's pigheaded to the point of
believing that NIH is always inferior to what comes out of his camp.

--
JF

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 07:47:51 -0600, John Fields
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:51:22 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:


Quoting that great sage, Ron White (and appropriately applicable to
Larkin), "You can't cure STUPID... STUPID is FOREVER!" :-}

...Jim Thompson

---
I don't think he's stupid, I think he's pigheaded to the point of
believing that NIH is always inferior to what comes out of his camp.

I like that descriptor, "PIGHEADED". It's so..so..so "Larkin" :-}

...Jim Thompson
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 14:23:00 -0800, John Larkin
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:27:12 -0600, John Fields
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:46:10 -0800, John Larkin
wrote:


Synchronous programming isn't a religion or a rule.

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Synchronous programming???

What is that?

I meant logic,

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Hmm...
You made a misteak, then?
---

but the same concepts apply to programming. The safest
software is also a synchronous state machine. Lots, actually most,
programmers don't understand state machines at all.

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That's just ludicrous.

Here you are, the king of your little world, using a state machine to
tell everyone you can get to that the authors of the state machine
you're using to decry them didn't know what they were doing.

???
---

--
JF

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 07:47:51 -0600, John Fields
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:51:22 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:


Quoting that great sage, Ron White (and appropriately applicable to
Larkin), "You can't cure STUPID... STUPID is FOREVER!" :-}

...Jim Thompson

---
I don't think he's stupid, I think he's pigheaded to the point of
believing that NIH is always inferior to what comes out of his camp.

I do small async designs now and then, but they don't scale. The
number of hazards explode as the complexity goes up. Few if any humans
could handle a 1000-gate-level async logic design. Async logic has
been an academic darling for years, but has seen little non-trivial
commercial use.

Clockless to the rescue!

http://www.cs.columbia.edu/async/mis...t_01_2001.html

(note the date)

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:51:20 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 07:47:51 -0600, John Fields
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:51:22 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:


Quoting that great sage, Ron White (and appropriately applicable to
Larkin), "You can't cure STUPID... STUPID is FOREVER!" :-}

...Jim Thompson

---
I don't think he's stupid, I think he's pigheaded to the point of
believing that NIH is always inferior to what comes out of his camp.

I like that descriptor, "PIGHEADED". It's so..so..so "Larkin" :-}

...Jim Thompson

You don't even do logic design. You've said here that you're not very
good with "digital." We do FPGA designs that use 100,000 logic cells,
FIFOs, PLLs, GHz clocks, and megabits of multiport ram. Nobody can do
async design at that level. Even crossing a clock boundary in a
multiple-domain synchronous design has to be done very, very
carefully.

Pigheaded is fine if it makes reliable products. The only time to
violate standard digital design practice is when it's safe and there's
a big payoff.

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:19:32 -0600, John Fields
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:55:26 -0800, John Larkin
wrote:


What's wrong with making stuff that works?

---
Try this:

PROBABLY THE BEST
CHEESE ENCHILADAS WITH SALSA VERDE
YOU EVER ATE


Salsa Verde Ingredients:

1 pound tomatillos, husked and stemmed
juice of 1 lime
1 small white or yellow onion, chopped (1/2 cup)
4 garlic cloves
1 whole serrano pepper, stemmed
2 tablespoons chopped cilantro
1/2 teaspoon ground cumin
3/4 teaspoon salt, or to taste
1 cup chicken stock

Salsa Verde Directions:

Blend all the ingredients to yield a thick, soupy mixture, then
transfer the mixture into a medium saucepan and, stirring
occasionally, bring to a boil, uncovered, over high heat.

Then, lower the heat and simmer for about 20 minutes, stirring
occasionally.


Cheese enchilada ingredients:

10 Corn tortillas (8 inch)
1/2 cup cilantro, finely chopped
4 cups shredded Mexican cheese (Kraft Mexican style 4 cheese)
1/2 cup scallions, chopped
6 oz can diced green chilies

Cheese enchilada directions:

Preheat oven to 350 degrees

Set aside about 2/3 cup of the cheese and place the rest in a large
bowl.

Prepare a large 9 x 13 baking dish with cooking spray.

Spread an even layer of the salsa verde on the bottom of the baking
dish.

Warm each tortilla on a hot skillet until flexible, remove and spoon
about 1/3 cup of the cheese mixture into the tortilla, roll it up, and
place it seam down in the baking dish.

Top with the salsa verde, the reserved cheese, the diced chilies, the
cilantro, and the scallions.

Cover the dish with aluminum foil coated with cooking spray and bake
for 20 to 25 minutes.

Serve immediately.


I've never eaten a cheese enchalada, so if I ate your version, it would be the
best.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 10:15:17 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:


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Not being an EE or any other kind of E has nothing to do with being a
professional but, of course, in your effort to belittle your
detractors you choose the ad hominem attack because if you were to
argue logically you'd lose face and, Lord knows, we can't have that.

Isn't a degree from Tulane, ranked 112th in engineering schools...

http://tinyurl.com/d8aupcy

sort of like a degree from a diploma mill... worthless ?:-}

...Jim Thompson


Actually the real value of the degree is directly related to the interest
and effort put into learning the material. After a few years working it
is nearly irrelevant except for getting past fool personnel departments.

?-)

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 14:30:23 -0800, John Larkin
wrote:


I don't think he's stupid, I think he's pigheaded to the point of
believing that NIH is always inferior to what comes out of his camp.

I do small async designs now and then, but they don't scale. The
number of hazards explode as the complexity goes up. Few if any humans
could handle a 1000-gate-level async logic design. Async logic has
been an academic darling for years, but has seen little non-trivial
commercial use.

Really? I think a 32 bit by 32 bit Wallace tree multiplier would top that
quite conveniently.

OTOH it will certainly be more stable in a block semi-synchronous design.


Clockless to the rescue!

http://www.cs.columbia.edu/async/mis...t_01_2001.html

(note the date)

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:56:49 -0800, josephkk
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 10:15:17 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:


---
Not being an EE or any other kind of E has nothing to do with being a
professional but, of course, in your effort to belittle your
detractors you choose the ad hominem attack because if you were to
argue logically you'd lose face and, Lord knows, we can't have that.

Isn't a degree from Tulane, ranked 112th in engineering schools...

http://tinyurl.com/d8aupcy

sort of like a degree from a diploma mill... worthless ?:-}

...Jim Thompson


Actually the real value of the degree is directly related to the interest
and effort put into learning the material. After a few years working it
is nearly irrelevant except for getting past fool personnel departments.

?-)

First of all, you need an 4-year EE degree so that people, like employers, will
take you seriously. It doesn't much matter where it comes from.

But yes, some of the courses are important, and are things you're not likely to
pick up on your own with any rigor. Physics, thermo, calculus, circuit theory,
dimensional analysis, signals-and-systems, control theory, stuff like that. JT
is immensely proud of his MIT degree, even though he never learned, or has
forgotten, a lot of those basics. It's idiotic to think that going to MIT is
something to be especially proud of. I suspect that I learned more than he did,
and I'm sure that I had more fun.

Tulane was founded in 1834; MIT in 1861. So much for "diploma mills."


--

John Larkin Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 19:13:38 -0800, josephkk
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 14:30:23 -0800, John Larkin
wrote:


I don't think he's stupid, I think he's pigheaded to the point of
believing that NIH is always inferior to what comes out of his camp.

I do small async designs now and then, but they don't scale. The
number of hazards explode as the complexity goes up. Few if any humans
could handle a 1000-gate-level async logic design. Async logic has
been an academic darling for years, but has seen little non-trivial
commercial use.

Really? I think a 32 bit by 32 bit Wallace tree multiplier would top that
quite conveniently.

Sure, static logic is safe, as long as you are willing to keep its inputs stable
and then wait for for it to deliver an unambiguous, state-free output. But
static logic is, well, static; you can't blink a LED with it.


OTOH it will certainly be more stable in a block semi-synchronous design.

Big multipliers are usually synchronously pipelined.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 21:12:30 -0800, John Larkin
wrote:


Sure, static logic is safe, as long as you are willing to keep its inputs stable
and then wait for for it to deliver an unambiguous, state-free output. But
static logic is, well, static; you can't blink a LED with it.

---
Sure you can:

+-----------------------+
| |
| |
| | \ | \ | \ |
+--| O--| O--| O--+
| / | / | / |
[R]
|
|A
[LED]
|
GND

It'll blink fast, but it'll still blink.

--
JF

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:56:49 -0800, josephkk
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 10:15:17 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:


---
Not being an EE or any other kind of E has nothing to do with being a
professional but, of course, in your effort to belittle your
detractors you choose the ad hominem attack because if you were to
argue logically you'd lose face and, Lord knows, we can't have that.

Isn't a degree from Tulane, ranked 112th in engineering schools...

http://tinyurl.com/d8aupcy

sort of like a degree from a diploma mill... worthless ?:-}

...Jim Thompson


Actually the real value of the degree is directly related to the interest
and effort put into learning the material. After a few years working it
is nearly irrelevant except for getting past fool personnel departments.

?-)

Yep. Most of my circuit design skills were developed from hacking
around in my Dad's radio and TV repair shop... plus being a technician
at MIT's famous Building 20.

MIT EE and math courses simply honed my analytic skills.

"Design" is an art.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, CTO | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.