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Bush just commuted the sentences of the two Border Patrol agents who
shot the unarmed drug dealer in the ass. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Democrats are like cats... They'll take a dump behind your couch and then feign ignorance |
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"Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Bush just commuted the sentences of the two Border Patrol agents who shot the unarmed drug dealer in the ass. ...Jim Thompson Thank you president Bush. Mike |
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"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ... Bush just commuted the sentences of the two Border Patrol agents who shot the unarmed drug dealer in the ass. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090119/...h/bush_pardons : "Bush's decision to commute the sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, who tried to cover up the shooting, was welcomed by both Republican and Democratic members of Congress. They had long argued that the agents were merely doing their jobs, defending the American border against criminals." -- Wow, covering up a shooting is part of doing your job as a border patrol agent? That's sad. (And AFAICT they really were being punished primarily for trying to cover up the incident, not for the actual shooting itself.) A ten year prison sentence does sound a little extreme when the guy they shot wasn't killed or apparently even permanently injured, though -- Bush's commutation seems reasonable here. It shouldn't be any surprise that those who have to deal with scummy drug dealers are often themselves not the most upstanding citizens. ---Joel |
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 10:49:54 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Bush just commuted the sentences of the two Border Patrol agents who shot the unarmed drug dealer in the ass. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090119/...h/bush_pardons : "Bush's decision to commute the sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, who tried to cover up the shooting, was welcomed by both Republican and Democratic members of Congress. They had long argued that the agents were merely doing their jobs, defending the American border against criminals." -- Wow, covering up a shooting is part of doing your job as a border patrol agent? That's sad. (And AFAICT they really were being punished primarily for trying to cover up the incident, not for the actual shooting itself.) A ten year prison sentence does sound a little extreme when the guy they shot wasn't killed or apparently even permanently injured, though -- Bush's commutation seems reasonable here. It shouldn't be any surprise that those who have to deal with scummy drug dealers are often themselves not the most upstanding citizens. ---Joel Note that Bush commuted their sentences (rather than giving them pardons), so they are left with serious criminal records. Seems reasonable enough. |
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"Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Bush just commuted the sentences of the two Border Patrol agents who shot the unarmed drug dealer in the ass. ...Jim Thompson -- Should make Lou Dobbs happy. I feel these guys should have some immunity for the jobs that they do. It sounds like they could easily get slaughtered running into the drug smugglers. Cheers |
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Jim Thompson wrote: Bush just commuted the sentences of the two Border Patrol agents who shot the unarmed drug dealer in the ass. Oh, I though from the title that he'd been pardoned for starting the most malicious war in recent history. Where DO libertarians stand on that ? Graham |
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:55:35 -0500, "Martin Riddle"
wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Bush just commuted the sentences of the two Border Patrol agents who shot the unarmed drug dealer in the ass. ...Jim Thompson -- Should make Lou Dobbs happy. I feel these guys should have some immunity for the jobs that they do. It sounds like they could easily get slaughtered running into the drug smugglers. Cheers They should have shot him in the head. The U.S. government actually let him out on bail where he proceeded to get caught AGAIN drug smuggling. If we shot anyone illegally crossing the border and tossed the bodies back across the border, we'd soon have NO illegal immigrants. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food |
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"Bungalow Bill" wrote in message
... The drug dealer running had a gun, dumbass. The court said they found no evidence of that, and even the border guys admitted that while they *thought* he had a gun, they couldn't be 100% certain of it. Now, perhaps he did have a gun and was just very good about getting rid of it, but courts have to make rulings based on what can be reasonably substantiated, not what *might* have been. Secondly, border guard #1 *emptied his entire clip * at the guy -- missing him every time -- before his buddy, border guard #2, shot the guy in the butt *while he was fleeing*. You can bet that if this same scenario occurred between a regular old set of U.S. cops and some drug dealers in the streets of L.A., the cops wouldn't be getting much sympathy either -- shooting fleeing suspects is generally considered poor form, unless you're *certain* they have a gun in hand. The entire case was a mess, with agents changing their stories while on the stand and much of the case revolving around unprovable accusations of what was or wasn't said or done (the incident was never formally reported, the border guys said they verbally informed their supervisor about it -- as he'd be the one to file the formal report -- he claimed they never did). Bush's pardon is entirely reasonable, but I think it's a stretch to suggest that the two border guards were any kind of upstanding guys who'd you want to hold out as someone for your kids to look up to. Jim is correct that if they'd shot him in the head, everything would have been a whole lot simpler. ---Joel |
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Bungalow Bill wrote in
: On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 10:58:31 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: Bush just commuted the sentences of the two Border Patrol agents who shot the unarmed drug dealer in the ass. ...Jim Thompson Well, I was there, and from what I saw, the drug dealer had a gun. He got rid of it before 'reporting' the 'heinous crime' that was committed against him. Were I the Justice department, I would have told them they had no case. Instead, the idiots charged our guys. Over ****ty Mexican weed too. If the USA had sensible drug laws, instead of the draconian ban of a harmless weed that has medicinal value, the whole event would never have happened. Q PA is y I've altered my email address. |
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 23:48:24 GMT, Bob Quintal
wrote: If the USA had sensible drug laws, instead of the draconian ban of a harmless weed that has medicinal value, the whole event would never have happened. --- Yup, and with sensible drug laws a lot less than 1% of our population would be in jail for seeking the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness supposed to be guaranteed to us by our constitution. Unfortunately, the powers that be don't want us to toke. Why not? Because, behind a good hit, their hypocrisy regarding "benevolent control" is revealed for the ruse it really is, so they've gotten violent and decided to take out the sources of whatever socially enlightening material might be extant. JF |
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"Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... Bush just commuted the sentences of the two Border Patrol agents who shot the unarmed drug dealer in the ass. Gee, now that the important stuff's done, he can pursue that other dream: http://www.slate.com/id/2186554/ |
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Jim Thompson wrote: Bush just commuted the sentences of the two Border Patrol agents who shot the unarmed drug dealer in the ass. Bloody well deserved shooting somewhere IMHO. Graham |
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"Bungalow Bill" wrote in message
... Are you someone for your kids to look up to? Probably not. :-) |
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"flipper" wrote in message
... The key word here is "reasonable" and the problem is all information about the 'drug dealer' was withheld from the jury so they were unable to asses the 'reasonableness' of the agent's belief he was armed or the credibility of the 'drug dealers' claim to be unarmed. I imagine the jury figured he may very well have been armed, but one the points I was trying to make is that these days (unlike, say, the 1960s) it's usually considered inappropriate to fire on fleeing suspects unless they are or appear to imminently be about to fire at you. The details of this vary depending on what state you're in, if you're a border guard, a security guard, a police officer, etc., and I definitely don't know the details of the Texas border patrol's policy on the issue, but it's not surprising to me that the guys were charged and found guilty. Inflammatory. "Emptied his entire clip" might have weight if it was emptied into the person's helpless body but, in the heat of battle, when one misses one generally tries again. The point there is that the guards weren't just firing, e.g., warning shots -- their behavior gave the appearance that they were out to kill the guy. I note that hearing an entire clip emptied in the 'drug dealers' direction seemed to be no deterrent whatsoever. Typically shooting at someone running just makes them run faster -- it seldom makes them freeze. You "100% certain" about that? Or was he just circling around their flank for a better shot? Well, that's what I've read, and the term "fleeing" comes from eye witnesses. It's always a judgment call -- a defense's unarmed guy fleeing is a prosecutor's clever man with hidden weapons who's just running to an appropriate vantage point to use them from. I'm curious how you ascertain "certain." Relatively certain? :-) Btw, the standard isn't "100% certain" even in that case. Yeah, I know, it varies a lot depending on what else you know about the guy, including if the illegal act was a felony, if it was violent, etc. That's why we have courts -- to try to sort this all out; these days it's pretty much guaranteed that any officer or guard shooting someone is going to have to defend their actions in court... and this is not a bad thing. This belies your first comment about "evidence" because criminal cases often "revolv[e] around unprovable accusations of what was or wasn't said or done," especially by "witnesses," and that's why credibility is so important. Fair point. It just seemed that in this case there was more uncertainty about what really happened than in most. If true then it would mean the. so called, "strict standards" are an inducement to murder rather than the other way around. That may be, but it could be more than balanced out by fewer would-be-murders wanting to become guards in the first place. I'm always amazed at how many cops seem to think that they'd be better off if there weren't Internal Affairs departments -- it's little different than the average man on the street saying he'd be better off if there weren't cops: While cops/Internal Affairs may be annoying at times, without them the folks with the most to gain are the bad guys. ---Joel |
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"flipper" wrote in message
... It seems to me you are simply presuming the jury must have rendered a correct verdict but the point I was making is that there was a withholding of evidence. They could have appealed and attempted to convince a court that the original trial involved witholding of evidence. The point there is that the guards weren't just firing, e.g., warning shots -- their behavior gave the appearance that they were out to kill the guy. "100% certain" again? Nah, "gave the apperance." How do you know it wasn't an "entire clip" of warning shots? The "reasonable observer" test, where I'm appointing myself as a reasonable observer. :-) And how do you arrive at the conclusion that the agent being a lousy shot, necessitating repeated attempts that all failed, automatically implies he was "out to kill the guy?" After all, trying to wing the guy is a difficult shot and would "certainly" explain the dismal hit rate. Fair argument -- I suspect the rebuttal is something along the lines of, "if you haven't been able to achieve your stated objective of winging the guy after going through a significant fraction of your clip, the likelihood you'll be able to with the remainder of your clip is slim, so overall the safer approach for everyone involved is to quit shooting, and 'of course' you've always been informed that safety is your first priority on this job." Presumably in a real court there'd be plenty of back and forth testimony/questioning along these lines. Plus I'm certain (yes, certain! 100%!) that border guards have plenty of detailed policies regarding when, where, and how you're supposed to be shooting at someone. I bet you could write a pretty good court drama out of all this... So much for your theory on the utility of "warning shots" then. Absolutely -- the observation that warning shots seldom result in a suspect freezing was one a significant consideration back in the '60s that eventually resulted in cops generally not shooting unarmed fleeing suspects. And their expertise with 'drug dealers', gun fight strategy, and mind reading comes from where? Well, if they were other border guards, presumably they have the same sort of training as the guys involved in the shooting. If they were illegal Mexcians on the U.S. border, they probably have some experience with drug dealers and gun fights as well. :-) Or not. The idea is that you get someone up on the stand, they tell you their background and what they saw, and the jury decides how credible the testimony is. Fair point. It just seemed that in this case there was more uncertainty about what really happened than in most. Well, if that's true then one might think there'd be "reasonable doubt" and a not guilty verdict. I was saying the case *started out* with more uncertainty about what transpired than most, but (apparently) the prosecutor did removed that reasonable doubt from the juror's minds. I'm always amazed at how many cops seem to think that they'd be better off if there weren't Internal Affairs departments They don't like having to weigh, in a split second, the odds of being killed by a drug crazed loony or second guessed put in jail for the rest of their life. No question, it's a tremendous amount of pressure -- but it's commensurate with being given the authority to use deadly force in the first place. Additionally, significant worry about IA belies trusting that your fellow officers and those in IA are reasonable, fair-minded individuals. Granted, just as some employers treat their employees like crap, I'm sure (certain! 100%!) that there are some IA departments who are anything *but* reasonable and fair-minded... and in such cases the best option for a police officer is to try to find employment elsewhere. I rather suspect the "average man" would be just as upset about being put in jail for defending themselves as officers are, with the difference being the "average man" isn't sent into battle everyday as a matter of routine.. The average man would be upset... that's why it's generally suggested that if there's, e.g., a home invasion, you're better off killing the guy rather than just wounding him. :-) ---Joel |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 03:14:09 -0600, flipper wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:35:41 -0800, "Joel Koltner" wrote: [snip] The average man would be upset... that's why it's generally suggested that if there's, e.g., a home invasion, you're better off killing the guy rather than just wounding him. :-) Again, this belies a serious problem in the system of "justice." Btw, I am just as concerned about 'rogue prosecutors' and I am about 'rogue cops'. ---Joel Rogue prosecution seems to be going around. Fortunately they are often such egomaniacs that they've been getting caught here in AZ. Plus we're doing things, such as... https://goldwaterinstitute.org/About...w.aspx?id=2071 to corral them a bit. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food |
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"flipper" wrote in message
... They did appeal but one has to 'know' the missing evidence in order to explain it's missing and I don't think that was known as the time of the appeal. My understanding is that if you find significant new evidence at any point in time while someone's serving their sentence, you can always ask for the case to be reconsidered? Sutton apparently believes a drug dealer but, even if so, the proper terminology is "he claims" but not, as Sutton like to do, as a "fact." Standard trick -- present things as fact that are, in acutality, an opinion, hope no one calls you on it, and over time expect they'll be taken as fact. Sutton states as 'fact' that the 'drug smuggler' was 'fleeing' but the medical evidence obtained during removal of the bullet clearly supports the agents contention that his body was twisted back in their direction preparatory to (they thought) firing at them. Yeah, but isn't this like the Kennedy assassination, where plenty of people still maintain the shooter was in the grassy knoll? -- Ever with plenty of good evidence, if the result isn't intuitively "obvious," it's difficult to convince a jury of what "must" have happened. so overall the safer approach for everyone involved is to quit shooting, and 'of course' you've always been informed that safety is your first priority on this job." What? You're worried about collateral damage to a prairie squirrel? More your partner, actually. If I were partnered with a guy who emptied a clip without getting a hit whereas I got the guy in the butt on my first shot, you can bet I'd be asking for a new partner. :-) The man's own family said he's been running drugs since he was 14 and never moves them without being armed. Oh yeah, there's no question the drug dealer is a scummy guy that the world would probably be better off without... bet he still deserves his due process and all. I think you've made a lot of good points for the defense here, flipper -- you clearly have superior knowledge of the this case than I do, so I'll quit arm-chair refereeing what might or might not have happened and concede that it's not at all clear that justice was served. All the more reason that Bush's commutation was a proper course of action. No, the best option is to have a fair and competent IA As a society, yes, but as an individual officer I'd personally just work on finding a new job. :-) ---Joel |
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On 2009-01-27, flipper wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:29:55 -0800, "Joel Koltner" wrote: You know, if it were the 'drug smuggler' on trial everyone would be 'outraged' if every last utterance wasn't referred to, or preceded by, alleged, suspect, allegedly, suspected of, and so forth, but it's apparently just fine to declare law enforcement officers guilty as a matter of 'fact'. What a weenie argument. The standard is "Innocent until found guilty in a court of law." which they were. |
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:57:51 -0800, Bungalow Bill
wrote: On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:46:12 -0600, John Fields wrote: On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 23:48:24 GMT, Bob Quintal wrote: If the USA had sensible drug laws, instead of the draconian ban of a harmless weed that has medicinal value, the whole event would never have happened. --- Yup, and with sensible drug laws a lot less than 1% of our population would be in jail for seeking the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness supposed to be guaranteed to us by our constitution. Unfortunately, the powers that be don't want us to toke. Why not? Because, behind a good hit, their hypocrisy regarding "benevolent control" is revealed for the ruse it really is, so they've gotten violent and decided to take out the sources of whatever socially enlightening material might be extant. JF Not to mention that they can't tax it if it's free. AND they would have to admit that they have been wrong all this time. --- Indeed, and having the balls to admit to having been wrong is something our government doesn't have, since it wants to be viewed as omnipotent and infallible and won't admit error even when the error is glaring. the Prohibition era is a good example. Shut down the supply of legal alcohol and what happens? Illegal sources spring up everywhere and get together and organized crime gets a foothold into controlling the system because people like to get drunk and have a good time and our prohibitionist government says "You can't do that." What a bunch of ****ing idiots, Especially when they've been wrong through so many administrations. Want a good look at something shocking? http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/agency/staffing.htm From 1972 to 2007 their staff grew from 2775 to 10759, an increase of about 4:1, while their budget grew from 65.2 million to 2.35 BILLION, an increase of about 36:1. Sounds to me like someone in the DEA'a got a little scam going on that works like when they ask for money and anyone dares to "just say no", then that bitcher gets labeled as pro-drug and, God knows, that's the end of a career. For all that money, however, have they been able to meet their goal of drying up either the supply of dope coming into the country or that being grown/made here? Of course not, but they sure have inflated the prison population. Another huge social and economic expense we can do without. JF |
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"John Fields" wrote in message
... From 1972 to 2007 their staff grew from 2775 to 10759, an increase of about 4:1, while their budget grew from 65.2 million to 2.35 BILLION, an increase of about 36:1. I believe another significant increase in their funding came from the laws passed that allow them to seize any property used in the commission of a drug crime. Even a small-time dealer probably has $10k-$100k worth of assets that the DEA can grab these days... |
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Bill,
Are you a relative of Jim Yanik by chance? :-) Seriously, you make some good points though. I imagine there are plenty of good cops left who are just as distressed by the "punk" nature of some of their fellow officers as you are. ---Joel |
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On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:12:31 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
wrote: Bill, Are you a relative of Jim Yanik by chance? :-) Seriously, you make some good points though. I imagine there are plenty of good cops left who are just as distressed by the "punk" nature of some of their fellow officers as you are. ---Joel Joel, You need to be more observant. "Bill" is just another nym of AlwaysWrong. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food |
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"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ... "Bill" is just another nym of AlwaysWrong. Ah, thanks for the 'heads up,' Jim. He sure has a lot of aliases... |
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On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 10:58:02 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... "Bill" is just another nym of AlwaysWrong. Ah, thanks for the 'heads up,' Jim. He sure has a lot of aliases... He constantly adds them. When I was using NewsProxy as a frontend I was killing all his nyms by just allowing the white list, then disposing of AlwaysWrong's IP range. NewsProxy is slow, and was hanging regularly. So, with the advent of Agent v5.00, I just use Agent's filters. I regularly nudge the Agent support team to add "References:", which would allow killing the little SOB AND all follow-ups to the little SOB... including those instituted by JL ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Only Jerks Need to Satisfy Their Woeful Egos by Feeding Trolls |
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On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 10:58:02 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... "Bill" is just another nym of AlwaysWrong. Ah, thanks for the 'heads up,' Jim. He sure has a lot of aliases... He constantly adds them. When I was using NewsProxy as a frontend I was killing all his nyms by just allowing the white list, then disposing of AlwaysWrong's IP range. NewsProxy is slow, and was hanging regularly. So, with the advent of Agent v5.00, I just use Agent's filters. I regularly nudge the Agent support team to add "References:", which would allow killing the little SOB AND all follow-ups to the little SOB... including those instituted by JL ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Only Jerks Need to Satisfy Their Woeful Egos by Feeding Trolls |
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Jim Thompson wrote: He constantly adds them. When I was using NewsProxy as a frontend I was killing all his nyms by just allowing the white list, then disposing of AlwaysWrong's IP range. NewsProxy is slow, and was hanging regularly. So, with the advent of Agent v5.00, I just use Agent's filters. Did you have logging turned on? NewsProxy isn't bad with it turned off. Logging tracks every dropped message ID. -- http://improve-usenet.org/index.html aioe.org, Goggle Groups, and Web TV users must request to be white listed, or I will not see your messages. If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm There are two kinds of people on this earth: The crazy, and the insane. The first sign of insanity is denying that you're crazy. |
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On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:41:30 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: He constantly adds them. When I was using NewsProxy as a frontend I was killing all his nyms by just allowing the white list, then disposing of AlwaysWrong's IP range. NewsProxy is slow, and was hanging regularly. So, with the advent of Agent v5.00, I just use Agent's filters. Did you have logging turned on? NewsProxy isn't bad with it turned off. Logging tracks every dropped message ID. I'll try that. AlwaysWrong and his nyms are getting tiring. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Liberalism is a persistent vegetative state |
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On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:41:30 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: He constantly adds them. When I was using NewsProxy as a frontend I was killing all his nyms by just allowing the white list, then disposing of AlwaysWrong's IP range. NewsProxy is slow, and was hanging regularly. So, with the advent of Agent v5.00, I just use Agent's filters. Did you have logging turned on? NewsProxy isn't bad with it turned off. Logging tracks every dropped message ID. I'll try that. AlwaysWrong and his nyms are getting tiring. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Liberalism is a persistent vegetative state |
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