[Jeweller[_2_]]

We've had some building work done which included 4 tall slim dg panels,
3200x600.
We've been told that such panels are unavailable and transoms will have
to be fitted. Technical reasons were quoted re the desiccant in the
space bars and the guarantees.
Is this the case? Is there somewhere I could ask this question where
they have the definitive knowledge?
I have contacted the Glass and Glaziers Federation, but they want £120
plus VAT before they will entertain my query.
We are currently in discussion with the glaziers so I would appreciate
some quick news on this.
Cheers

--

www.davidhowardjeweller.co.uk

[Nick Odell]

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:24:24 +0000, Jeweller
wrote:

We've had some building work done which included 4 tall slim dg panels,
3200x600.
We've been told that such panels are unavailable and transoms will have
to be fitted. Technical reasons were quoted re the desiccant in the
space bars and the guarantees.
Is this the case? Is there somewhere I could ask this question where
they have the definitive knowledge?
I have contacted the Glass and Glaziers Federation, but they want £120
plus VAT before they will entertain my query.
We are currently in discussion with the glaziers so I would appreciate
some quick news on this.

Given the nature of your business, is there anything in the glazing
specification that wouldn't be in an average specification?

Nick

[Jeweller[_2_]]

On 24/03/2011 11:43, Nick Odell wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:24:24 +0000,
wrote:

We've had some building work done which included 4 tall slim dg panels,
3200x600.

We are currently in discussion with the glaziers so I would appreciate
some quick news on this.

Given the nature of your business, is there anything in the glazing
specification that wouldn't be in an average specification?

Nick

Apparently there's nothing average about these slim panes.
There's no requirement for bullet-proof glass either.


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Aprilia Pegaso 650 IE "The Flying Mythos"
Formerly: James Captain, A10, C15, B25, Dnepr M16 solo, R80/7, R100RT
(green!)
www.davidhowardjeweller.co.uk

[Adrian Brentnall]

On 24/03/2011 11:24, Jeweller wrote:
We've had some building work done which included 4 tall slim dg panels,
3200x600.
We've been told that such panels are unavailable and transoms will have
to be fitted. Technical reasons were quoted re the desiccant in the
space bars and the guarantees.
Is this the case? Is there somewhere I could ask this question where
they have the definitive knowledge?
I have contacted the Glass and Glaziers Federation, but they want £120
plus VAT before they will entertain my query.
We are currently in discussion with the glaziers so I would appreciate
some quick news on this.
Cheers


Conjures up images of Grand Designs 'After 3 years wait the custom-made
double-glazing is finally delivered to site......' g

My guess would be that panels that size might be getting into the realms
of specialist manufacturers. You could always try phoning a small
selection of suppliers of d/g units (not your Everests - but the guys
who actually make up the units). I'd imagine that most of their work wil
be with smaller units - and this may be the reason for your supplier
saying 'no can do'.

I'm sure that somebody somewhere _can_ do this for you - I was quoting
recently on a (stained-glass) job where the single d/g unit was 2730 x
1000 - which isn't that much smaller than yours - and the client had no
trouble sourcing the d/g unit.

Did you have an architect in to design the work? It should be his
responsibility to design something that's 'buildable' - maybe ask them
who they had in mind when speccing the windows ?

Adrian

[Jeweller[_2_]]

On 24/03/2011 12:00, Adrian Brentnall wrote:
On 24/03/2011 11:24, Jeweller wrote:
We've had some building work done which included 4 tall slim dg panels,
3200x600.
We've been told that such panels are unavailable and transoms will have
to be fitted. Technical reasons were quoted re the desiccant in the
space bars and the guarantees.
Is this the case? Is there somewhere I could ask this question where
they have the definitive knowledge?
I have contacted the Glass and Glaziers Federation, but they want £120
plus VAT before they will entertain my query.
We are currently in discussion with the glaziers so I would appreciate
some quick news on this.
Cheers


Conjures up images of Grand Designs 'After 3 years wait the custom-made
double-glazing is finally delivered to site......' g

My guess would be that panels that size might be getting into the realms
of specialist manufacturers. You could always try phoning a small
selection of suppliers of d/g units (not your Everests - but the guys
who actually make up the units). I'd imagine that most of their work wil
be with smaller units - and this may be the reason for your supplier
saying 'no can do'.

I'm sure that somebody somewhere _can_ do this for you - I was quoting
recently on a (stained-glass) job where the single d/g unit was 2730 x
1000 - which isn't that much smaller than yours - and the client had no
trouble sourcing the d/g unit.

Did you have an architect in to design the work? It should be his
responsibility to design something that's 'buildable' - maybe ask them
who they had in mind when speccing the windows ?

Adrian

There is an architect involved, I don't believe he anticipated a problem
here.
GD did register with us when we got the design through!
The building is up but the glaziers were late and we had contractors
queueing behind them to get on. At which point the glaziers said we had
to have transoms, ie we could not have the single pane as per drawings.
Having waited so long for them to get on with the job we accepted their
word.
But single panes would look so much better.
They want their money, fair enough, but we think we have been bamboozled
into accepting their option.
So I'm hunting for information.


--
R100RT
Aprilia Pegaso 650 IE "The Flying Mythos"
Formerly: James Captain, A10, C15, B25, Dnepr M16 solo, R80/7, R100RT
(green!)
www.davidhowardjeweller.co.uk

[[email protected]]

On Mar 24, 11:24*am, Jeweller wrote:
We've had some building work done which included 4 tall slim dg panels,
3200x600.
We've been told that such panels are unavailable and transoms will have
to be fitted. Technical reasons were quoted re the desiccant in the
space bars and the guarantees.
Is this the case? Is there somewhere I could ask this question where
they have the definitive knowledge?
I have contacted the Glass and Glaziers Federation, but they want 120
plus VAT before they will entertain my query.
We are currently in discussion with the glaziers so I would appreciate
some quick news on this.
Cheers

--

www.davidhowardjeweller.co.uk

I've had 2300*500mm (with gothic arched tops) made up by a local
glazer, for about 70 quid per unit.

But that is getting up to a size where flexing during handling may
crack a unit, due to length/width ratio.

[Skipweasel[_4_]]

In article , says...
I'm sure that somebody somewhere _can_ do this for you - I was quoting
recently on a (stained-glass) job where the single d/g unit was 2730 x
1000 - which isn't that much smaller than yours - and the client had no
trouble sourcing the d/g unit.


Personally I'd find the local back-street DG place and pay them a visit.
Our produced half a dozen made-to-measure K-glass toughened panels in
about three days for a reasonable price.

--
Skipweasel - never knowingly understood.

[Mark Bluemel[_2_]]

On Mar 24, 12:00*pm, Adrian Brentnall wrote:
On 24/03/2011 11:24, Jeweller wrote:

We've had some building work done which included 4 tall slim dg panels,
3200x600.
We've been told that such panels are unavailable and transoms will have
to be fitted. Technical reasons were quoted re the desiccant in the
space bars and the guarantees.
....
Conjures up images of Grand Designs 'After 3 years wait the custom-made
double-glazing is finally delivered to site......' g

We've agreed that if we ever went for a Grand Designs type of place,
part of
the architects brief would state "no custom glazing, stock windows
only"...

[Adrian Brentnall]

On 24/03/2011 12:25, Jeweller wrote:
On 24/03/2011 12:00, Adrian Brentnall wrote:
On 24/03/2011 11:24, Jeweller wrote:
We've had some building work done which included 4 tall slim dg panels,
3200x600.
We've been told that such panels are unavailable and transoms will have
to be fitted. Technical reasons were quoted re the desiccant in the
space bars and the guarantees.
Is this the case? Is there somewhere I could ask this question where
they have the definitive knowledge?
I have contacted the Glass and Glaziers Federation, but they want £120
plus VAT before they will entertain my query.
We are currently in discussion with the glaziers so I would appreciate
some quick news on this.
Cheers


Conjures up images of Grand Designs 'After 3 years wait the custom-made
double-glazing is finally delivered to site......' g

My guess would be that panels that size might be getting into the realms
of specialist manufacturers. You could always try phoning a small
selection of suppliers of d/g units (not your Everests - but the guys
who actually make up the units). I'd imagine that most of their work wil
be with smaller units - and this may be the reason for your supplier
saying 'no can do'.

I'm sure that somebody somewhere _can_ do this for you - I was quoting
recently on a (stained-glass) job where the single d/g unit was 2730 x
1000 - which isn't that much smaller than yours - and the client had no
trouble sourcing the d/g unit.

Did you have an architect in to design the work? It should be his
responsibility to design something that's 'buildable' - maybe ask them
who they had in mind when speccing the windows ?

Adrian

There is an architect involved, I don't believe he anticipated a problem
here.
GD did register with us when we got the design through!
The building is up but the glaziers were late and we had contractors
queueing behind them to get on. At which point the glaziers said we had
to have transoms, ie we could not have the single pane as per drawings.
Having waited so long for them to get on with the job we accepted their
word.
But single panes would look so much better.
They want their money, fair enough, but we think we have been bamboozled
into accepting their option.
So I'm hunting for information.


Yellow pages - and a few quick phone calls....?
Maybe the panels need to use slightly thicker glass than standard to
make them less 'flexible'.

Once they're in place then they should be safe from flexing - but
installing them could be a 'hold your breath & say a prayer' moment g

Panels this size exist (think office blocks / shopping malls) -
you just need to find a supplier. Are you project-managing the build
yourself .... ?

Adrian

[Jeweller[_2_]]

On 24/03/2011 12:26, wrote:
On Mar 24, 11:24 am, wrote:
We've had some building work done which included 4 tall slim dg panels,
3200x600.


I've had 2300*500mm (with gothic arched tops) made up by a local
glazer, for about 70 quid per unit.

But that is getting up to a size where flexing during handling may
crack a unit, due to length/width ratio.

Seems like that's the worry for the glaziers.
I have found a manufacturer now, and local, who say they can do it.
Strange, because current glazier, also local, said these panes could not
be made!
There is a bit of history here, lots of porkies and no-shows.
So I'll be treading softly all the while making it clear that I have
their number!

--
R100RT
Aprilia Pegaso 650 IE "The Flying Mythos"
Formerly: James Captain, A10, C15, B25, Dnepr M16 solo, R80/7, R100RT
(green!)
www.davidhowardjeweller.co.uk

[Jeweller[_2_]]

On 24/03/2011 11:24, Jeweller wrote:
We've had some building work done which included 4 tall slim dg panels,
3200x600.

I've reached the point where I regard all this as entertainment.
I shall return.



--
R100RT
Aprilia Pegaso 650 IE "The Flying Mythos"
Formerly: James Captain, A10, C15, B25, Dnepr M16 solo, R80/7, R100RT
(green!)
www.davidhowardjeweller.co.uk

[harry]

On Mar 24, 1:47*pm, Jeweller wrote:
On 24/03/2011 12:26, wrote:

On Mar 24, 11:24 am, *wrote:
We've had some building work done which included 4 tall slim dg panels,
3200x600.

I've had 2300*500mm (with gothic arched tops) made up by a local
glazer, for about 70 quid per unit.

But that is getting up to a size where flexing during handling may
crack a unit, due to length/width ratio.

Seems like that's the worry for the glaziers.
I have found a manufacturer now, and local, who say they can do it.
Strange, because current glazier, also local, said these panes could not
be made!
There is a bit of history here, lots of porkies and no-shows.
So I'll be treading softly all the while making it clear that I have
their number!

--
R100RT
Aprilia Pegaso 650 IE "The Flying Mythos"
Formerly: James Captain, A10, C15, B25, Dnepr M16 solo, R80/7, R100RT
(green!)www.davidhowardjeweller.co.uk

I suspect you will find out in a month or two. It's possible they
might crack.

[Adrian Brentnall]

On 24/03/2011 17:16, harry wrote:
On Mar 24, 1:47 pm, wrote:
On 24/03/2011 12:26, wrote:

On Mar 24, 11:24 am, wrote:
We've had some building work done which included 4 tall slim dg panels,
3200x600.

I've had 2300*500mm (with gothic arched tops) made up by a local
glazer, for about 70 quid per unit.

But that is getting up to a size where flexing during handling may
crack a unit, due to length/width ratio.

Seems like that's the worry for the glaziers.
I have found a manufacturer now, and local, who say they can do it.
Strange, because current glazier, also local, said these panes could not
be made!
There is a bit of history here, lots of porkies and no-shows.
So I'll be treading softly all the while making it clear that I have
their number!

--
R100RT
Aprilia Pegaso 650 IE "The Flying Mythos"
Formerly: James Captain, A10, C15, B25, Dnepr M16 solo, R80/7, R100RT
(green!)www.davidhowardjeweller.co.uk

I suspect you will find out in a month or two. It's possible they
might crack.

Really ? Why ?

[Jim White]

In message
Jeweller wrote:

We've had some building work done which included 4 tall slim dg panels,
3200x600.
We've been told that such panels are unavailable and transoms will have
to be fitted. Technical reasons were quoted re the desiccant in the
space bars and the guarantees.

[snip]

Your glaziers are telling you lies.
There may be problems for them from their usual (cheap) source, but that
is not your problem.

Units over 3m. can be awkward to source, but if you go to someone like
Pilkingtons it's no problem, although the lead time can be a pain.

Hold them to the design they quoted for, even if it means they have to
temporary glaze with a single plate until your units are manufactured.

Re dessicant, I would expect something like this to be Argon filled, so
that is not an issue.



--
Jim White
Wimbledon London England
I will not bribe Principle Skinner

[Jim K[_3_]]

On Mar 24, 7:12 pm, Jim White wrote:
In message
Jeweller wrote:

We've had some building work done which included 4 tall slim dg panels,
3200x600.
We've been told that such panels are unavailable and transoms will have
to be fitted. Technical reasons were quoted re the desiccant in the
space bars and the guarantees.

[snip]

Your glaziers are telling you lies.
There may be problems for them from their usual (cheap) source, but that
is not your problem.

Units over 3m. can be awkward to source, but if you go to someone like
Pilkingtons it's no problem, although the lead time can be a pain.

Hold them to the design they quoted for, even if it means they have to
temporary glaze with a single plate until your units are manufactured.

Re dessicant, I would expect something like this to be Argon filled, so
that is not an issue.

?? ISTR Argon filled DG units are supposed to have an optimum desicant
spec. that's different from the usual spec used in air filled DG
units...tho seems unlikely any reasonable DG supplier these days
wouldn't know that and also be set up to do that as and when required
as part of "normal" business..

Jim K

[harry]

On Mar 24, 5:17*pm, Adrian Brentnall wrote:
On 24/03/2011 17:16, harry wrote:





On Mar 24, 1:47 pm, *wrote:
On 24/03/2011 12:26, wrote:

On Mar 24, 11:24 am, * *wrote:
We've had some building work done which included 4 tall slim dg panels,
3200x600.

I've had 2300*500mm (with gothic arched tops) made up by a local
glazer, for about 70 quid per unit.

But that is getting up to a size where flexing during handling may
crack a unit, due to length/width ratio.

Seems like that's the worry for the glaziers.
I have found a manufacturer now, and local, who say they can do it.
Strange, because current glazier, also local, said these panes could not
be made!
There is a bit of history here, lots of porkies and no-shows.
So I'll be treading softly all the while making it clear that I have
their number!

--
R100RT
Aprilia Pegaso 650 IE "The Flying Mythos"
Formerly: James Captain, A10, C15, B25, Dnepr M16 solo, R80/7, R100RT
(green!)www.davidhowardjeweller.co.uk

I suspect you will find out in a month or two. *It's possible they
might crack.

Really ? Why ?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Only takes a slight twisting of thef rame. Most doors/windows get a
lot of their strenght/stiffness from the glass, this has little.

[Adrian Brentnall]

On 25/03/2011 07:50, harry wrote:
On Mar 24, 5:17 pm, Adrian wrote:
On 24/03/2011 17:16, harry wrote:





On Mar 24, 1:47 pm, wrote:
On 24/03/2011 12:26, wrote:

On Mar 24, 11:24 am, wrote:
We've had some building work done which included 4 tall slim dg panels,
3200x600.

I've had 2300*500mm (with gothic arched tops) made up by a local
glazer, for about 70 quid per unit.

But that is getting up to a size where flexing during handling may
crack a unit, due to length/width ratio.

Seems like that's the worry for the glaziers.
I have found a manufacturer now, and local, who say they can do it.
Strange, because current glazier, also local, said these panes could not
be made!
There is a bit of history here, lots of porkies and no-shows.
So I'll be treading softly all the while making it clear that I have
their number!

--
R100RT
Aprilia Pegaso 650 IE "The Flying Mythos"
Formerly: James Captain, A10, C15, B25, Dnepr M16 solo, R80/7, R100RT
(green!)www.davidhowardjeweller.co.uk

I suspect you will find out in a month or two. It's possible they
might crack.

Really ? Why ?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Only takes a slight twisting of thef rame. Most doors/windows get a
lot of their strenght/stiffness from the glass, this has little.

If you say so....

[Skipweasel[_4_]]

In article 5ad33c61-9002-4411-8727-
, says...
Only takes a slight twisting of thef rame. Most doors/windows get a
lot of their strenght/stiffness from the glass, this has little.


I wouldn't have expected a window of that size to be an opener.

--
Skipweasel - never knowingly understood.

[Jeweller[_2_]]

On 24/03/2011 11:24, Jeweller wrote:
We've had some building work done which included 4 tall slim dg panels,
3200x600.

Well, I have discovered two glaziers who can make/get made these panels.
Despite passing on that news, the original glazing company is currently
insisting on payment for the job they have done.
I await their next response with a certain degree of glee.

I'll save the news that one of these suppliers can deliver the glass for
the company to fit at a date of their choosing.

Hey ho.


--
R100RT
Aprilia Pegaso 650 IE "The Flying Mythos"
Formerly: James Captain, A10, C15, B25, Dnepr M16 solo, R80/7, R100RT
(green!)
www.davidhowardjeweller.co.uk