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OT Rabbit's Ears TV Aerials
My daughter (7) is in hospital at the moment (just had a piece of her
tibia and part of her knee replaced with titanium (as part of her treatment for bone cancer)). All the kiddies on her ward have a combined TV/Video by their bed to keep them ammused c/w an indoor aerial. Some have small Yagis which work absolutely fine, some have rabbit's ears (like twin transistor radio FM aerials) these are comletely useless. I remember my parents using such an aerial for TV reception about 30 years ago and they were completely useless then. Why on earth are they being sold again? Is there any instance where these would work well? |
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In message . com,
wrote: My daughter (7) is in hospital at the moment (just had a piece of her tibia and part of her knee replaced with titanium (as part of her treatment for bone cancer)). All the kiddies on her ward have a combined TV/Video by their bed to keep them ammused c/w an indoor aerial. Some have small Yagis which work absolutely fine, some have rabbit's ears (like twin transistor radio FM aerials) these are comletely useless. I remember my parents using such an aerial for TV reception about 30 years ago and they were completely useless then. Why on earth are they being sold again? Can't add any more answer to your question than the others already have, but the hospitals around here don't let people bring their own equipment in, where is this enlightened establishment? All the big ones around here have some rip-off pay-as-you-go thing combining mini LCD TV, telephone and radio which hinges down over the bed. Visitors are encouraged to buy "top up cards" from vending machines and even mobile phones are supposed to be switched off on the wards, forcing you to use the bed-phone thing, though the nurses on general wards don't seem to mind if you set the ringer to silent. The smaller hospital we've been to has ordinary tellies on the wards run through a communal aerial system. All the best to the little one. Our #2 (now 18 months) has spent some time in hospital, nothing life threatening, but it's an incredibly heart-rending moment when the anaesthetic takes hold... Hwyl! M. -- Martin Angove: http://www.tridwr.demon.co.uk/ Two free issues: http://www.livtech.co.uk/ Living With Technology .... Happiness is finding special characters |
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:36:19 +0100,it is alleged that tony sayer
spake thusly in uk.d-i-y: These were used more in the days of 405 line band 1 and 3 TV to which they are/were better suited. Their not a lot of cop at UHF frequencies. Indeed. In the US and Canada, they as you may know still use both VHF and UHF for TV. On a portable set, the VHF antenna is usually a set of 'rabbit ears' which work well at VHF, and the UHF is usually a loop antenna identical to the type that used to be supplied with BW tv sets in the UK. I suspect originally cluelessness as to the type of TV transmissions in use in the UK on the part of some executive in far distant lands (It works here and TV is the same everywhere, so it'll work in London), immediately followed by 2 discoveries: 1. They don't work properly on UK UHF tv unless the transmitter is in your backyard. 2. The public will still buy them in sufficient quantities to cause profit, so point 1 doesn't matter. I'm sure the other contents of this NG will wish you daughter all the best, and to get well as soon as. Bless her) Seconded :-) -- The follies which a man regrets most in his life are those which he didn't commit when he had the opportunity. - Helen Rowland |
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Martin Angove wrote: Can't add any more answer to your question than the others already have, but the hospitals around here don't let people bring their own equipment in, where is this enlightened establishment? This particular establishment is the Royal National Orthopaedic Hospital in Stanmore Middlesex. However, the TV/Videos (and aerials) are hospital equipment and are free to use. This is also the case in both Southampton General and Chichester (where she has Chemo and more general care respectively). I think it's an ageism thing, you or I would have to pay for a telly, but I think they've worked out it makes for an easier life for the nurses if all the patients have them provided on the childrens wards. |
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Chip wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:36:19 +0100,it is alleged that tony sayer spake thusly in uk.d-i-y: These were used more in the days of 405 line band 1 and 3 TV to which they are/were better suited. Their not a lot of cop at UHF frequencies. As said they were intended for VHF TV which ceased transmission in the UK in '84. The best way to use them for UHF is to fold the "ears" horizontally (ASCII ART attempt): ^ -----------(=)---------- The arrow points in the direction of the transmitter, (i.e same as the axis of the Yagi) Still not really as intended and won't be as good as the little Yagis. Mike |
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Imagine the outcry and costs if someone's own equipment caused an injury.
Look at PAT testing. Consider fire risks. This doesn't imply that th eold TV donated by the League of Friends is any better - but it should have been tested and the Hospital will have accepted liability. |
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"john" wrote: Imagine the outcry and costs if someone's own equipment caused an injury. Look at PAT testing. Consider fire risks. This doesn't imply that th eold TV donated by the League of Friends is any better - but it should have been tested and the Hospital will have accepted liability. Absolutely. I suppose what I was really asking was why does this hospital have a free-for-all on the TV front (a followup by the OP made it clear that these are hospital-provided TVs) while most of those around here see this sort of thing as an opportunity to make money, or rather for some private firm who happens to have the contract to make money. Ho hum. Hwyl! M. -- Martin Angove: http://www.tridwr.demon.co.uk/ Two free issues: http://www.livtech.co.uk/ Living With Technology .... I can SPELL, I just can't TYPE worth a hoot ! |
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In article , Martin Angove
writes In message , "john" wrote: Imagine the outcry and costs if someone's own equipment caused an injury. Look at PAT testing. Consider fire risks. This doesn't imply that th eold TV donated by the League of Friends is any better - but it should have been tested and the Hospital will have accepted liability. Absolutely. I suppose what I was really asking was why does this hospital have a free-for-all on the TV front (a followup by the OP made it clear that these are hospital-provided TVs) while most of those around here see this sort of thing as an opportunity to make money, or rather for some private firm who happens to have the contract to make money. In our local hospital Addenbrookes Cambridge, they use Patientline which costs but as far as I know its free on the children's wards, so perhaps not that bad -- Tony Sayer |
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In message ,
tony sayer wrote: In article , Martin Angove writes In message , "john" wrote: Imagine the outcry and costs if someone's own equipment caused an injury. Look at PAT testing. Consider fire risks. This doesn't imply that th eold TV donated by the League of Friends is any better - but it should have been tested and the Hospital will have accepted liability. Absolutely. I suppose what I was really asking was why does this hospital have a free-for-all on the TV front (a followup by the OP made it clear that these are hospital-provided TVs) while most of those around here see this sort of thing as an opportunity to make money, or rather for some private firm who happens to have the contract to make money. In our local hospital Addenbrookes Cambridge, they use Patientline which costs but as far as I know its free on the children's wards, so perhaps not that bad Oh right. We've never actually made it as far as a modern children's ward. Our first stay was at Llandough (Cardiff) where they had portable sets and a communal aerial (#2 was about 8 weeks old at the time). Our second stay was just after they'd closed Llandough children's services but although the spanking new Children's Hospital at UHW (Heath, Cardiff) was taking patients, the operating theatres weren't in use so wife and #2 (now about 15 months) were plonked on a ward full of teenagers, and the dreaded payg things. Won't go even further OT complaining about all the things which meant #2 managed about three hours of sleep instead of his usual 12 on the night before the operation :- Hwyl! M. -- Martin Angove: http://www.tridwr.demon.co.uk/ Two free issues: http://www.livtech.co.uk/ Living With Technology .... All you folks do not exist. My sysop types all this stuff in. |
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tony sayer wrote:
In our local hospital Addenbrookes Cambridge, they use Patientline which costs but as far as I know its free on the children's wards, so perhaps not that bad And in same said hispital when my wife went in she bought a £5 card to use the paitentline telephone. ('Cause I couldn't afford the premium rate for incoming calls). She was then carted off to theatre and on her return no card to be found anywhere! I understand that the systems are a self financing way of getting more IT infrastructure built into the hospitals. Upgrades being required to support the system and are shared by other systems! Dunno of the pedigree of this info though. |
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"mike" wrote in message et... tony sayer wrote: In our local hospital Addenbrookes Cambridge, they use Patientline which costs but as far as I know its free on the children's wards, so perhaps not that bad And in same said hispital when my wife went in she bought a £5 card to use the paitentline telephone. ('Cause I couldn't afford the premium rate for incoming calls). She was then carted off to theatre and on her return no card to be found anywhere! I understand that the systems are a self financing way of getting more IT infrastructure built into the hospitals. Upgrades being required to support the system and are shared by other systems! Dunno of the pedigree of this info though. It's roughly correct. They interviewed the vermin who ran a lot of these schemes on the Jeremy Vine show on Radio 2 one lunchtime. As has been noticed, he admitted the outcry made the children's wards free and the elderly quite cheap, but everybody else paid for it. |
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